Sex, Iraqi style!
Top Poster
1) Saddam put an estimated 300,000 people in shallow mass graves during
his rule.
2) 10 or 12 US soldiers flipped out because of the tension and started
abusing a few Muslim extremists.
If you sat quietly while # 1 was going on, but hollered like hell when
# 2 came to light, then you are a lowgrade mindless prick.
Poster@poster.com Top Poster
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they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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KATO
"Top Poster" <Top_Posters_Rule@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
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>
No Doubt! Hopefully a few pics this so called abuse sends a message to those
radicals. Fight and die (saves oxygen/tax dollars and camel populations) or
obey the law.
Where the fuck are all these do gooder asswipes when civilian populations
are targeted? Or dead bodies of truck drivers burnt crispy and being poked
with sticks?
>
>
>
>
KATO
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> My followers metal health is still a problem
Top poster is selling his camel and going to Iraq.He got excited over seeing
pics of all those naked incarcerated men piled in a hump of arab flesh.He
can't wait to be in the pile!
Mountain Goat
<urbanw...@thePartInTheRoad.com> wrote:
>
>"Top Poster" <Top_Posters_Rule@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
>in message news:IxYmc.31262$U75.18173@edtnps89...
>>
>> 1) Saddam put an estimated 300,000 people in shallow mass graves during
>> his rule.
>>
Probably a low estimate as the US Army found 60,000 bodies of Iranian
POWs in one location alone.
>> 2) 10 or 12 US soldiers flipped out because of the tension and started
>> abusing a few Muslim extremists.
>>
Flipped out by the tension bullshit, They were ordered by Military
Intelligence and the civilian 'contractor' interrogators to 'soften
up' the detainees before interrogations. This is according to some
senior US military officials speaking on the record including some of
the report by the US Army Major General who conducted the initial
investigation started in January. BTW where is your proof that the
subjects were extremists? Some have already been released (and
interviewed on US TV), unlikely to have happened if they fit your
description
BTW The US now 'contracts out' their intelligence work? I knew shrub
was in favour of exporting jobs, but, SPIES ?
There are some other issues regarding prisoner/guard relationships see
below:
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2004/200405/20040507.html
has some interesting background on this, below is an excerpt, go to
the site for the full item.
Psychology of Prison
Yesterday, the Washington Post obtained more graphic photos of US Army
officials abusing Iraqi prisoners at the infamous Abu Ghraib prison
outside Baghdad. In one, reservist Lynndie England of the 372nd
Military Police Company holds a leash tied to an Iraqi prisoner who is
lying naked on the floor.
The images all have a common theme that of prisoners being humiliated
and degraded at the hands of US Army officials who pose with their
thumbs up, wearing satisfied grins.
And of course the question everyone's asking: what would make these
prison guards do such terrible things?
Well, according to some psychologists, anyone, under the right
circumstances, can commit these kinds of atrocities.
Back in 1971, research psychologists at Stanford University created a
simulated prison. Then they randomly assigned student volunteers to be
prisoners or guards. The study was cut short after the "guards" began
putting plastic bags over the prisoners' heads, forcing them to strip
naked and encouraging them to perform sexual acts…. Sound familiar?
Two years ago in Britain, a reality series on BBC called 'The
Experiment' revisited the Stanford study. The scientist behind that
series was Stephen Reicher, Professor of Social Psychology at
University of St. Andrews, in Scotland. He joined us from his office.
Legal Expert
The torture of Iraqi prisoners has shocked many observers, who
believed the military would not allow such abuses to take place.
But many people were just as alarmed to learn that soldiers aren't the
only ones implicated in the abuse.
Allegations of wrongdoing have also been made against American
civilians working for private military contractors in Iraq. The
Defense Department is currently investigating two companies hired to
provide interrogation and other services there.
All of this has raised concerns about the legal accountability of
private military contractors operating abroad.
Scott Silliman is the executive director of Duke University's Center
on Law, Ethics and National Security and he's spent a lot of time
looking at this issue. We reached him at his home in Durham, North
Carolina.
Listen to The Current: Part 1
>>
>> If you sat quietly while # 1 was going on, but hollered like hell
>when
>> # 2 came to light, then you are a lowgrade mindless prick.
>
>
>
>No Doubt! Hopefully a few pics this so called abuse sends a message to those
>radicals. Fight and die (saves oxygen/tax dollars and camel populations) or
>obey the law.
>
>Where the fuck are all these do gooder asswipes when civilian populations
>are targeted? Or dead bodies of truck drivers burnt crispy and being poked
>with sticks?
>
1. They were not 'truck drivers', they were hired civilian 'contract'
security personnel. This does NOT excuse what happened to them. This
is the case with the four men whose desecration was widely broadcast
two weeks ago.
2. Because the enemy behaves in brutal fashion we should sink to that
level?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die
"The Right One"
"Top Poster" <Top_Posters_Rule@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
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>
We are going into an election here in Canada
and all the CBC has done the last week was
bombard us with the photos.
The CBC's news world never showed photos of the massive graves
for example. If they did I missed it.
Kathleen Petty, CBC's liberal queen reported on the atrocities that were
don by the US soldiers, then said in the same paragraph that Bush
never offered any apology, but the clip they showed on Bus was saying
otherwise.
Fox news reported a day earlier that President Bush apologized.
Not only that Rumsfield took full responsibility for his actions
Rumsfield apologized as well as promising that the perpetrators
will be charged and the prisoners compensated as well
Rumsfield has demonstrated that Americans are a first class act
--
Terry Pearson
http://www.rightpoint.org
The last ten years have been a decade
of diabolical decadence.
If You Support Paul Martin And The Liberals,
Then You Support Crime!
What example are you setting for your Children?
Poster@poster.com Top Poster
me so
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the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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the Pentagon calculated they would do.
Dhu
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SHARX
Precisely. Frankly, I wish that these whiners could be used to increment #1.
SHARX
|| My followers metal health is still a problem
Your follower is the healthy one--it is YOU who is sick and in denial of
reality.
SHARX
You are a disgrace to your parents. Get some education, please.
SHARX
|| And remember those Iraq people still have WMD pointed at us, Fox
|| News told me so
Totally irrelevant to the discussion.
SHARX
|| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the psychs in
|| the Pentagon calculated they would do.
It's you who has flipped. Get help and take your meds.
SHARX
You are described exactly the current situation. Too bad so many of the
bitchers and moaners can't go back to school and complete their Grade 6.
Either that or they are just ignorantly playing into the terrorist
propaganda machine.
Poster@poster.com Top Poster
Sharx
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
"SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote in message
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Sandy
""The Right One"" <righ...@nosocialism.can> wrote in message
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> Rumsfield has demonstrated that Americans are a first class act
If Rummy was such a class act why didn't he report to congress in January
when he knew about it? Who knows weather these "prisoners" were actual
combatants or just civilians going out for the equivalent of a litre of
milk. Were they charged and convicted of anything or just rounded up like
cattle and tortured? Since american soldiers cannot be tried for war crimes
some of them have taken that to heart and exploitated that for their own
pleasure. Or is it "I was just following orders"? As always the person
responsible for those orders will not be charges but the persons following
them will.
SHARX
Yada, yada, yada. If you feel so strongly about it, go over there and do
charity work.
Tim
What do they want to do to the people who did that? They want them punished. So why not the same for the people who commited the Iraqi humilitation crimes?
Micheal Wilson
message news:%h0nc.412120$Ig.330568@pd7tw2no...
> Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the psychs in
> the Pentagon calculated they would do.
>
In an additional condemnation of their actions, Sharx and Top Poster are
defending them. If any of those soldiers read these newsgroups, that alone
would be enough to get them to hang their heads in shame.
Mike
--
It's not murder if you say yes...
http://michealwilson.blogspot.com/
Micheal Wilson
His parents should be proud that he does not believe in following others off
a cliff, something you apparently advocate.
nshi...@columbus.rr.com
There was a time in our country when the local US Army commander would have
taken these guards out, hung them, sent the bodies home, and went on with
meaningful business.
Nowadays, every nitwit in congress has got to rake good people over the
coals for something they could never have prevented. As you say, 6 or 10
perverts in a military of 2.5 million people? The whole congressional
circus is a real waste of our time and money.
Millions of people have been murdered in Iraq, and they will be digging our
bodies for decades. None murdered by us or our military.
These dumbocraps would destroy our nation just to win another petty
election.
Thank God we have real Americans like George W Bush and Don Rumsfled in
charge!
"Top Poster" <Top_Posters_Rule@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
in message news:IxYmc.31262$U75.18173@edtnps89...
>
John Fleming
scriptorium, Mountain Goat <rmgo...@SPAMshaw.ca> wrote:
> $On Sat, 08 May 2004 04:09:32 GMT, "KATO"
> $<urbanw...@thePartInTheRoad.com> wrote:
[snip]
> $>> 2) 10 or 12 US soldiers flipped out because of the tension and started
> $>> abusing a few Muslim extremists.
> $>>
> $Flipped out by the tension bullshit, They were ordered by Military
> $Intelligence and the civilian 'contractor' interrogators to 'soften
> $up' the detainees before interrogations. This is according to some
> $senior US military officials speaking on the record including some of
> $the report by the US Army Major General who conducted the initial
> $investigation started in January. BTW where is your proof that the
> $subjects were extremists? Some have already been released (and
> $interviewed on US TV), unlikely to have happened if they fit your
> $description
When I first heard about it, I thought it was an isolated incident too.
But the more I hear, the more doubts I have.
Further, I wouldn't be surprised is such a policy of "softening up" the
prisoners isn't going to backfire is some way.
[snip]
> $The images all have a common theme that of prisoners being humiliated
> $and degraded at the hands of US Army officials who pose with their
> $thumbs up, wearing satisfied grins.
The only difference between that and BDSM is that in BDSM participation
is voluntary.
[snip]
> $The torture of Iraqi prisoners has shocked many observers, who
> $believed the military would not allow such abuses to take place.
> $
> $But many people were just as alarmed to learn that soldiers aren't the
> $only ones implicated in the abuse.
Something is clearly out of control here.
> $>> If you sat quietly while # 1 was going on, but hollered like hell
> $>when
> $>> # 2 came to light, then you are a lowgrade mindless prick.
Or a hopeless misinformed one.
> $>No Doubt! Hopefully a few pics this so called abuse sends a message to those
> $>radicals. Fight and die (saves oxygen/tax dollars and camel populations) or
> $>obey the law.
> $>
> $>Where the fuck are all these do gooder asswipes when civilian populations
> $>are targeted? Or dead bodies of truck drivers burnt crispy and being poked
> $>with sticks?
> $>
> $1. They were not 'truck drivers', they were hired civilian 'contract'
> $security personnel. This does NOT excuse what happened to them. This
> $is the case with the four men whose desecration was widely broadcast
> $two weeks ago.
Agreed. Just because they were hired civillian contractors does not
excuse these excesses.
> $2. Because the enemy behaves in brutal fashion we should sink to that
> $level?
I'd like to think we are capable of moving beyond that. But it will be
a while before that happens, methinks.
--
John Fleming
Edmonton, Canada
A Dreamer is One Who Can Only Find Her
Way by Moonlight.
-- Oscar Wilde
SHARX
The world would be better off if you and your fellow LIEbrawls did the
lemming theing.
SHARX
|| "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca>
|| wrote in message news:%h0nc.412120$Ig.330568@pd7tw2no...
||| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the psychs in
||| the Pentagon calculated they would do.
|||
||
||
|| In an additional condemnation of their actions, Sharx and Top Poster
|| are defending them. If any of those soldiers read these newsgroups,
|| that alone would be enough to get them to hang their heads in shame.
||
||
|| Mike
It's YOU and your wussy, limp-wristed LIEbrawl buddies who should hang your
head in shame. You just don't get it. Terrorists can not be negotiated
with. The only language they understand is to receive a bullet or a bomb.
SHARX
Oh, come off the pot, John, you prefer the Baathists?
Mountain Goat
Stupid Sharx non sequitur that does not address the subject, as usual.
Now to be followed no doubt by ad hominem insults, Yawn, how
predictable.
Mountain Goat
<righ...@nosocialism.can> wrote:
>
>"Top Poster" <Top_Posters_Rule@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
>in message news:IxYmc.31262$U75.18173@edtnps89...
>>
>> 1) Saddam put an estimated 300,000 people in shallow mass graves during
>> his rule.
>>
>> 2) 10 or 12 US soldiers flipped out because of the tension and started
>> abusing a few Muslim extremists.
>>
>>
>> If you sat quietly while # 1 was going on, but hollered like hell
>when
>> # 2 came to light, then you are a lowgrade mindless prick.
>>
>>
>I totally agree. The CBC is the perfect example
>We are going into an election here in Canada
>and all the CBC has done the last week was
>bombard us with the photos.
>
>The CBC's news world never showed photos of the massive graves
>for example. If they did I missed it.
>
Then you are blinded by your usual partisanship. The CBC has covered
all the discoveries of mass graves by US and UK forces. The coverage
of the prison torture this week even mentioned that up to 30,000
former prisoners at the prison in Sadaam days are buried in a mass
grave behind the prison.
>Kathleen Petty, CBC's liberal queen reported on the atrocities that were
>don by the US soldiers, then said in the same paragraph that Bush
>never offered any apology, but the clip they showed on Bus was saying
>otherwise.
>
>Fox news reported a day earlier that President Bush apologized.
>
>Not only that Rumsfield took full responsibility for his actions
>Rumsfield apologized as well as promising that the perpetrators
>will be charged and the prisoners compensated as well
>
>Rumsfield has demonstrated that Americans are a first class act
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Mountain Goat
<SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote:
>Top Poster wrote:
>|| And remember those Iraq people still have WMD pointed at us, Fox
>|| News told me so
>
>Totally irrelevant to the discussion.
>
Oh really? Then why is the US there pray tell?
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
SHARX
|| On Sat, 08 May 2004 08:17:23 GMT, "SHARX"
|| <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote:
||
||| Top Poster wrote:
||||| And remember those Iraq people still have WMD pointed at us, Fox
||||| News told me so
|||
||| Totally irrelevant to the discussion.
|||
|| Oh really? Then why is the US there pray tell?
Why didn't your mother abort you, pray tell?
Mountain Goat
If you feel so strongly about it go join the US Army and volunteer to
go torture prisoners for them.
War hath no fury like a non-combatant. - Charles Edward Montague
Mountain Goat
>Top;
>
>There was a time in our country when the local US Army commander would have
>taken these guards out, hung them, sent the bodies home, and went on with
>meaningful business.
>
Which is exactly what Wellington and Gustavus Adolphus did in their
armies.
>Nowadays, every nitwit in congress has got to rake good people over the
>coals for something they could never have prevented. As you say, 6 or 10
>perverts in a military of 2.5 million people? The whole congressional
>circus is a real waste of our time and money.
>
They are not perverts, they were doing exactly what the MI and
civilian contract interrogators told them to do, that's the disturbing
part.
>Millions of people have been murdered in Iraq, and they will be digging our
>bodies for decades. None murdered by us or our military.
>
Not according to the US Army Major General doing the investigation, he
says there were two homicides by US forces in that prison and could be
up to 25.
>These dumbocraps would destroy our nation just to win another petty
>election.
>
>Thank God we have real Americans like George W Bush and Don Rumsfled in
>charge!
>
SHARX
|| On Sat, 08 May 2004 13:13:24 GMT, "SHARX"
|| <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote:
||
||| Sandy wrote:
||||| ""The Right One"" <righ...@nosocialism.can> wrote in message
||||| news:zx%mc.385945$Pk3.349283@pd7tw1no...
|||||
|||||| Rumsfield has demonstrated that Americans are a first class act
|||||
|||||
||||| If Rummy was such a class act why didn't he report to congress in
||||| January when he knew about it? Who knows weather these
||||| "prisoners" were actual combatants or just civilians going out
||||| for the equivalent of a litre of milk. Were they charged and
||||| convicted of anything or just rounded up like cattle and
||||| tortured? Since american soldiers cannot be tried for war crimes
||||| some of them have taken that to heart and exploitated that for
||||| their own pleasure. Or is it "I was just following orders"? As
||||| always the person responsible for those orders will not be
||||| charges but the persons following them will.
|||
||| Yada, yada, yada. If you feel so strongly about it, go over there
||| and do charity work.
|||
|| If you feel so strongly about it go join the US Army and volunteer to
|| go torture prisoners for them.
||
|| War hath no fury like a non-combatant. - Charles Edward Montague
And idiots have no greater idiocy than to quote out of context.
Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu
"SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
> Micheal Wilson wrote:
>|| "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca>
>|| wrote in message news:%h0nc.412120$Ig.330568@pd7tw2no...
>||| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the psychs in
>||| the Pentagon calculated they would do.
>|||
>||
>||
>|| In an additional condemnation of their actions, Sharx and Top Poster
>|| are defending them. If any of those soldiers read these newsgroups,
>|| that alone would be enough to get them to hang their heads in shame.
>||
>||
>|| Mike
>
>
> It's YOU and your wussy, limp-wristed LIEbrawl buddies who should hang your
> head in shame. You just don't get it. Terrorists can not be negotiated
> with. The only language they understand is to receive a bullet or a bomb.
>
The only wussies around here are the inumerable anonymous right-wing
chickendicks who a aren't brave enough to use their real names.
Dhu
>
>
>||
>|| --
>|| It's not murder if you say yes...
>||
>|| http://michealwilson.blogspot.com/
>
>
--
Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu
"GUPPY" <GU...@GUPPYTANKSnospam.com> writes:
> Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu wrote:
>|| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the psychs in
>|| the Pentagon calculated they would do.
>
> It's you who has flipped. Get help and take your meds.
Flipper wanna fish?
Dhu
nshi...@columbus.rr.com
stupid "Vast, right wing conspiracies." Especially Goat, who subscribes
belief in every
paranoid nitwit tale ever proposed, probably thinks space creatures are
watching him under contract with our government, under the Patroit Act.
Now a very few perverts in the US Army guarding prisoners did something very
bad. They will be publicly tried, convicted, and subjected to whatever
justice requires. End of story.
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notritenoteri
sanity and intelligence that you have ever exhibited. At the rate your going
one day your going to wake up and realize reality instead of republican
dogma.
<nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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KATO
"notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
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> he there old man, you better watch it your latest reply is the closest to
> sanity and intelligence that you have ever exhibited. At the rate your
going
> one day your going to wake up and realize reality instead of republican
> dogma.
You old faggot , are full of shit. I can probably buy and sell you with
change left over. Your right I don't work I don't have to. That is not the
same as having not worked. Besides why would anyone want to work when
there's so much money to be made fleecing rubes like you.
You are the one that doesn't deal in facts. You just repeat the cant your
masters have told you to say. It is a real good thing your body is
programmed to shit whether you decide or not cause otherwise you'd explode
in a yellow cloud before you could figure out what to do.
"You gotta be smarter than your oponant."
---- Big Dumb Dave. (bigdum...@canada.com)
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who happen to be dishonoring our country and our military. We will deal with
it openly and honestly.
The rest is all pure silly sensationalism and emotion.
Two. One does not have to be a Stanford University mental dude to see why
this happens. One needs only a bit of common sense.
Look at the constant filth these hollywood and other so called
"entertainers" degenerates and perverts put out on a massive and unending
basis.
Look at the morals the left proudly announces to the public; "If it feels
good, do it!" "Everybody does it!" "It's not YOUR fault""I did'nt inhale!"
These kids grow up in a white washed sewer of false information with false
values to live buy, called "political correctness.".
"SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote in message
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Tim
Well, Point One. This was a situation created by a very, very few people who happen to be dishonoring our country and our military.
We will deal with it openly and honestly. The rest is all pure silly sensationalism and emotion. Two. One does not have to be a Stanford University mental dude to see why this happens. One needs only a bit of common sense. Look at the constant filth these hollywood and other so called "entertainers" degenerates and perverts put out on a massive and unending basis.
Look at the morals the left proudly announces to the public; "If it feels good, do it!" "Everybody does it!" "It's not YOUR fault""I did'nt inhale!"
These kids grow up in a white washed sewer of false information with false values to live buy,
John Fleming
scriptorium, <nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> $So here we going again! All the dimwited leftists are developing their
> $stupid "Vast, right wing conspiracies." Especially Goat, who subscribes
> $belief in every
> $paranoid nitwit tale ever proposed, probably thinks space creatures are
> $watching him under contract with our government, under the Patroit Act.
> $
> $Now a very few perverts in the US Army guarding prisoners did something very
> $bad. They will be publicly tried, convicted, and subjected to whatever
> $justice requires. End of story.
In this particular case, I expect it is a bit more extensive than just a
few perverts in the US army.
It may not be the deep "Dominate the Iraqis" conspiracy that is being
bandied about either.
I expect it is somewhere in between.
I admire Rumsted for coming out and taking full responsibility for it.
If Rumsted follows through, I think we will see something closer to the
truth come out.
John Fleming
scriptorium, <nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> $Well, Point One. This was a situation created by a very, very few people
> $who happen to be dishonoring our country and our military. We will deal with
> $it openly and honestly.
> $The rest is all pure silly sensationalism and emotion.
> $
> $Two. One does not have to be a Stanford University mental dude to see why
> $this happens. One needs only a bit of common sense.
> $
> $Look at the constant filth these hollywood and other so called
> $"entertainers" degenerates and perverts put out on a massive and unending
> $basis.
> $
> $Look at the morals the left proudly announces to the public; "If it feels
> $good, do it!" "Everybody does it!" "It's not YOUR fault""I did'nt inhale!"
> $
> $These kids grow up in a white washed sewer of false information with false
> $values to live buy, called "political correctness.".
That they grew up in the environment you describe suggests the Iraqi
jail business could be more widespread than you think it is.
These "kids" in Iraq go to the movies. They rent videos. They grew up
watching sitcoms. Throw in a little bit of military training that is
designed to "dehumanize" the enemy just a bit.
Now, I expect a few heads will roll. The question is just which
heads--and how high up?
Hartmann Schaffer
John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> writes:
> ...
> Now, I expect a few heads will roll. The question is just which
> heads--and how high up?
you just have to check the history books to know the answer. with
very few exceptions it was only the guys at the bottom (who actually
did the dirty deeds) who were held accountable. the people who set up
the conditions by setting up an atmosphere of dehumanizing the enemy
and defining expected results "no matter how ..." usually go
unscathed. i wouldn't be surprised of a rumsfeld announcement along
the lines "all i did to was approve a program to soften up the enemy
for interrogations. i had no idea about the details"
hs
--
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel
Samuel Johnson
Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all
others because you were born in it
George Bernard Shaw
SHARX
|| In article <Tlgnc.28044$LA4.25656@edtnps84>,
|| "SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
||| Micheal Wilson wrote:
||||| "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca>
||||| wrote in message news:%h0nc.412120$Ig.330568@pd7tw2no...
|||||| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the
|||||| psychs in the Pentagon calculated they would do.
||||||
|||||
|||||
||||| In an additional condemnation of their actions, Sharx and Top
||||| Poster are defending them. If any of those soldiers read these
||||| newsgroups, that alone would be enough to get them to hang their
||||| heads in shame.
|||||
|||||
||||| Mike
|||
|||
||| It's YOU and your wussy, limp-wristed LIEbrawl buddies who should
||| hang your head in shame. You just don't get it. Terrorists can not
||| be negotiated with. The only language they understand is to receive
||| a bullet or a bomb.
|||
||
|| The only wussies around here are the inumerable anonymous right-wing
|| chickendicks who a aren't brave enough to use their real names.
||
|| Dhu
As if Dhu was a real name. Pot. Kettle. Black to the faker, Dhu.
SHARX
|| he there old man, you better watch it your latest reply is the
|| closest to sanity and intelligence that you have ever exhibited. At
|| the rate your going one day your going to wake up and realize
|| reality instead of republican dogma.
On the contrary, it was obviously an imposter. The real John wouldn't buy
into pro terrorist b.s..
SHARX
|| "notritenoteri" <colda...@hades.com> wrote in message
|| news:w_snc.2649$oq3....@newscontent-01.sprint.ca...
||| he there old man, you better watch it your latest reply is the
||| closest to sanity and intelligence that you have ever exhibited. At
||| the rate your going one day your going to wake up and realize
||| reality instead of republican dogma.
||
|| You old faggot , are full of shit. I can probably buy and sell you
|| with change left over. Your right I don't work I don't have to. That
|| is not the same as having not worked. Besides why would anyone want
|| to work when there's so much money to be made fleecing rubes like
|| you.
|| You are the one that doesn't deal in facts. You just repeat the cant
|| your masters have told you to say. It is a real good thing your
|| body is programmed to shit whether you decide or not cause otherwise
|| you'd explode in a yellow cloud before you could figure out what to
|| do.
My sentiments, exactly, Kato. Many of these pro terrorist saps are
keyboarding from some dank corner of their parents' basement, a bucket of
used Kleenexes on the left and a jar of lube on their right.
SHARX
|| nshi...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
||
||| Well, Point One. This was a situation created by a very, very few
||| people who happen to be dishonoring our country and our military.
|||
|| How do you know that? Do you have inside information?
You LYING LIEbrawl/DEMONrats seem to have such information as you arrogantly
go about demonizing the forces of liberty.
SHARX
|| On Sun, 09 May 2004 16:49:44 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
|| scriptorium, <nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
||
||| $Well, Point One. This was a situation created by a very, very few
||| people $who happen to be dishonoring our country and our military.
||| We will deal with $it openly and honestly.
||| $The rest is all pure silly sensationalism and emotion.
||| $
||| $Two. One does not have to be a Stanford University mental dude to
||| see why $this happens. One needs only a bit of common sense.
||| $
||| $Look at the constant filth these hollywood and other so called
||| $"entertainers" degenerates and perverts put out on a massive and
||| unending $basis.
||| $
||| $Look at the morals the left proudly announces to the public; "If
||| it feels $good, do it!" "Everybody does it!" "It's not YOUR
||| fault""I did'nt inhale!" $
||| $These kids grow up in a white washed sewer of false information
||| with false $values to live buy, called "political correctness.".
||
|| That they grew up in the environment you describe suggests the Iraqi
|| jail business could be more widespread than you think it is.
Now, John, you are attempting to put YOUR spin on this.
SHARX
|| In article <osvs90pvagulrsual...@4ax.com>,
|| John Fleming <nos...@sprynet.com> writes:
||| ...
||| Now, I expect a few heads will roll. The question is just which
||| heads--and how high up?
||
|| you just have to check the history books to know the answer. with
|| very few exceptions it was only the guys at the bottom (who actually
|| did the dirty deeds) who were held accountable. the people who set
|| up the conditions by setting up an atmosphere of dehumanizing the
|| enemy and defining expected results "no matter how ..." usually go
|| unscathed. i wouldn't be surprised of a rumsfeld announcement along
|| the lines "all i did to was approve a program to soften up the enemy
|| for interrogations. i had no idea about the details"
||
|| hs
||
This thread is getting VERY BORING.
notritenoteri
kill to eat except for assholes like you.
"SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote in message
John Fleming
scriptorium, "SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote:
> $John Fleming wrote:
> $|| On Sun, 09 May 2004 16:49:44 GMT, while chained to a desk in the
> $|| scriptorium, <nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> $||
> $||| $Well, Point One. This was a situation created by a very, very few
> $||| people $who happen to be dishonoring our country and our military.
> $||| We will deal with $it openly and honestly.
> $||| $The rest is all pure silly sensationalism and emotion.
> $||| $
> $||| $Two. One does not have to be a Stanford University mental dude to
> $||| $
> $||| $Look at the constant filth these hollywood and other so called
> $||| unending $basis.
> $||| $
> $||| $Look at the morals the left proudly announces to the public; "If
> $||| fault""I did'nt inhale!" $
> $||| $These kids grow up in a white washed sewer of false information
> $||
> $|| That they grew up in the environment you describe suggests the Iraqi
> $|| jail business could be more widespread than you think it is.
> $
> $Now, John, you are attempting to put YOUR spin on this.
No, I'm just taking nshinede's argument to its logical extension.
If some soldiers with weak morals, resulting from living in the American
culture with an emphasis on depravity, were caught demeaning Iraqis in a
jail, then there are possibly other soldiers with weak morals who have
not been caught.
In short, nshinede's argument doesn't necessarily support his claim that
the offenses were commited by a small minority.
Most of these soldiers were growing up in the American cultural
environment, and if some "cracked" from these negative influences,
others could too.
Hartmann Schaffer
"SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
> ...
> This thread is getting VERY BORING.
is that a promise that you stay out of it?
hs
RushGoebbles
Alot of them are Shia's killed by
Sadam after your boy told them
to rise up against Sadam, and then
stood by and watched while the
slaughter took place. Real christian
thing to do. Typical
Also there was about 100 thousand
dead iraqis to bury after Gulfwar1.
Would it have been better if Sadam
left them laying in the street to rot
and spread virus. It ain't like you
give 2 shits about Iraqi people asshole.
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Mountain Goat
<SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote:
>Mountain Goat wrote:
>|| On Sat, 08 May 2004 08:17:23 GMT, "SHARX"
>|| <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> wrote:
>||
>||| Top Poster wrote:
>||||| And remember those Iraq people still have WMD pointed at us, Fox
>||||| News told me so
>|||
>||| Totally irrelevant to the discussion.
>|||
>|| Oh really? Then why is the US there pray tell?
>
>Why didn't your mother abort you, pray tell?
>
Lame Sharx reply, when losing resort to name calling, or stupid
non-sequiturs, as always.
SHARX
|| In article <OWxnc.31110$LA4.24975@edtnps84>,
|| "SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
||| ...
||| This thread is getting VERY BORING.
||
|| is that a promise that you stay out of it?
You wish!
SHARX
|| And who are in those mass graves?
|| Alot of them are Shia's killed by
|| Sadam after your boy told them
|| to rise up against Sadam, and then
|| stood by and watched while the
|| slaughter took place. Real christian
|| thing to do. Typical
|| Also there was about 100 thousand
|| dead iraqis to bury after Gulfwar1.
|| Would it have been better if Sadam
|| left them laying in the street to rot
|| and spread virus. It ain't like you
|| give 2 shits about Iraqi people asshole.
As if YOU care.
Micheal Wilson
news:Iitnc.111892$Vp5....@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> Well, Point One. This was a situation created by a very, very few people
> who happen to be dishonoring our country and our military. We will deal
with
> it openly and honestly.
> The rest is all pure silly sensationalism and emotion.
So the crime was not committed by the camp guards, the only crime in this
case is being disgusted by their actions.
> Two. One does not have to be a Stanford University mental dude to see why
> this happens. One needs only a bit of common sense.
Or in your case, a good imagination.
> Look at the constant filth these hollywood and other so called
> "entertainers" degenerates and perverts put out on a massive and unending
> basis.
Except that this was not a movie and these soldiers should be old enough to
know the difference.
> Look at the morals the left proudly announces to the public; "If it feels
> good, do it!" "Everybody does it!" "It's not YOUR fault""I did'nt inhale!"
>
> These kids grow up in a white washed sewer of false information with false
> values to live buy, called "political correctness.".
So it's society's fault that these soldiers did what they did? Did your
"Stanford University mental dude" tell you that?
Mike
Micheal Wilson
news:Tlgnc.28044$LA4.25656@edtnps84...
> Micheal Wilson wrote:
> || "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca>
> || wrote in message news:%h0nc.412120$Ig.330568@pd7tw2no...
> ||| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the psychs in
> ||| the Pentagon calculated they would do.
> |||
> ||
> ||
> || In an additional condemnation of their actions, Sharx and Top Poster
> || are defending them. If any of those soldiers read these newsgroups,
> || that alone would be enough to get them to hang their heads in shame.
> ||
> ||
> || Mike
>
>
> It's YOU and your wussy, limp-wristed LIEbrawl buddies who should hang
your
> head in shame. You just don't get it. Terrorists can not be negotiated
> with. The only language they understand is to receive a bullet or a bomb.
>
These men were not Terrorists, they were Iraqi soldiers.
nshi...@columbus.rr.com
Iraqi's
All this leftist whining and bellyaching, bewailing and such only goes to
show their total lack of any real problems to complain about.
Then of course, they trot out yet more silly conspiracy theories.
In our normal procedures, the guilty will receive justice. get over it.
"KATO" <TURBAN...@YOURDICK.COM> wrote in message
news:Vetnc.36298$U75.14900@edtnps89...
Poster@poster.com Top Poster
the same as Bush, the standards of civilized behavior that we have come to
know from the first world war has gone, who do we look to for civilized
behavior America Britain China Germany Japan Russia they are all tared with
the same brush, As an American look under your bed because the rewards for
your behavior over the last 50 years are coming
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
<nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZjMnc.13973$nL....@fe1.columbus.rr.com...
Hartmann Schaffer
"Micheal Wilson" <m...@home.com> writes:
> ...
> So it's society's fault that these soldiers did what they did? Did your
> "Stanford University mental dude" tell you that?
i was suprised that he brought that up. i suspect he referred to the
stanford prison experiment (www.prisonexp.org) that was done some time
in the 1970s. the experiment was performed by th4e stanford
psychology department to determine how prison life effects both
inmates and guards. somewhere on the website you will find a brief
note on how their findings relate to this sorry affair
SHARX
You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Deal with your
namby-pambyness, Mike.
SHARX
They are supporters of Saddam and/or the terrorist loving Baathist Party.
They think nothing about wrapping their bodies and/or vehicles with
explosives and detonating them in locations which, while resulting in a few
Coalition casualties, cause much more grief to THEIR FELLOW IRAQIS! Sheesh
are you ignorant and in denial. Give your anti Great Satan head a shake,
bud!
SHARX
|| No we will all suffer, every tinpot dictator around the world will
|| be doing the same as Bush, the standards of civilized behavior that
|| we have come to know from the first world war has gone, who do we
|| look to for civilized behavior America Britain China Germany Japan
|| Russia they are all tared with the same brush, As an American look
|| under your bed because the rewards for your behavior over the last
|| 50 years are coming
||
Thank goodness for strong leaders like Bush and Tony Blair. It is the TIN
POT dictators and their followers who now live in fear, e.g. Syria, Iran,
Libya, North Korea......
E. Barry Bruyea
Mountain Goat
wrote:
A lot of the 'prisoners' seem to be anyone swept up off the street in
Baghdad, along with former Iraqi soldiers, some actual suspected
terrorists and anyone else who just happened to be in the wrong place
at the wrong time. This is according to the Red Cross.
SHARX
Oh, boo hoo hoo.
Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu
"SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
> Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu wrote:
>|| In article <Tlgnc.28044$LA4.25656@edtnps84>,
>|| "SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
>||| Micheal Wilson wrote:
>||||| "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca>
>||||| wrote in message news:%h0nc.412120$Ig.330568@pd7tw2no...
>|||||| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the
>|||||| psychs in the Pentagon calculated they would do.
>||||||
> As if Dhu was a real name. Pot. Kettle. Black to the faker, Dhu.
>
Nooo, I'd say yer more tin-pot than black, m'self.
Dhu
Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu
Mountain Goat <rmgo...@SPAMshaw.ca> writes:
[deletia].
>
> Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
> Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I like that. Gave me a warm'n'fuzzy all over ;-)
>
> Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die
Might have to stop accusing all anonymous posters of being complete wankers.
Dhu
Micheal Wilson
Wake up, the discussion isn't about cooking tips.
And even as a poor attempt at a metaphor or a simile, your remark misses the
target. Unless you believe that the end result of the US occupation of Iraq
(ie the omelet), is to turn that country into a producer of bondage porn.
Stop trying to defend the indefensible. It only makes you look like a fool.
Mike
Micheal Wilson
> In article <0vxnc.31080$LA4.29932@edtnps84>,
> "SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
> > Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu wrote:
> >|| In article <Tlgnc.28044$LA4.25656@edtnps84>,
> >|| "SHARX" <SHA...@SHAARXTANKSnospam.com> writes:
> >||| Micheal Wilson wrote:
> >||||| "Duncan Patton a Campbell is Dhu" <camp...@babayaga.neotext.ca>
> >||||| wrote in message news:%h0nc.412120$Ig.330568@pd7tw2no...
> >|||||| Bullshit they flipped. They were doing _exactly_ what the
> >|||||| psychs in the Pentagon calculated they would do.
> >||||||
> [deletia].
>
> > As if Dhu was a real name. Pot. Kettle. Black to the faker, Dhu.
> >
>
> Nooo, I'd say yer more tin-pot than black, m'self.
>
> Dhu
>
Ignore him Duncan. This Sharx person always gets incredibly silly as he
begins to lose an argument.
Mike
nshi...@columbus.rr.com
But our miltary will see that these very few perverts see justice.
The incident is over.
What do you nitwits want? Someone to fall on their sword? Pull the miltary
out of Iraq and forever after have our nation live in guilt? Forget it.
"Micheal Wilson" <m...@home.com> wrote in message
news:EwLnc.5288$dr1.2...@news20.bellglobal.com...
Top Poster
"E. Barry Bruyea" <spr...@fever.ca> wrote in message
news:7010a055prntqm9i9...@4ax.com...
I'll cite.
Mike is a dumbass.
>
>
> Cite?
>
Top Poster
If you are fighting against the coalition, then you are a terrorist.
s...@m.me.not.com
>Come on! A very few of our people did a very bad thing! Did it to a very few
>Iraqi's
more than 10,000 iraqi civilians dead so far
so how many is quite a lot,you decrepid old cunt
Ivan Gowch
==>On Mon, 10 May 2004 14:28:09 GMT, <nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
==>>Come on! A very few of our people did a very bad thing! Did it to a very few
==>>Iraqi's
==>more than 10,000 iraqi civilians dead so far
==>so how many is quite a lot,you decrepid old cunt
Nshinede, as we know, has nothing but contempt
for human rights, freedom, democracy and common
human decency.
He stands convicted as a fascist by his own words.
--
I do not know where all this fantasy nonsense, these suicidal concepts of
morality and "fairness" of "civil rights" come from in the American public
today.
-nshinede, April 23, 2004
notritenoteri
fall on their sord? They don't have any honor. The only guys that will go
down are the poor grunts at the bottom of the food chain. What a pathetic
government.
<nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:Kg7oc.128$wp...@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
Mountain Goat
>So be discusted. We are all discusted.
>
>But our miltary will see that these very few perverts see justice.
>
>The incident is over.
>
You wish. Did you watch Major General Taquba's testimony "failure in
leadership ... from the brigade commander on down." "Lack of
discipline, no training whatsoever and no supervision. Supervisory
omission was rampant"
After Me Lai all US troops are to receive yearly training in what is
acceptable behaviour towards civilians and prisoners. Reservists are
to get this training during basic training.
Taguba testified that he had not read the Red Cross report but agreed
with its finding that the abuse was systemic. He said he was told that
some inmates were moved around to avoid visits by Red Cross officials.
Remember the Red Cross? They are also the 'protecting power' seeing to
the well being of any US troops who become POWs.
>What do you nitwits want? Someone to fall on their sword? Pull the miltary
>out of Iraq and forever after have our nation live in guilt? Forget it.
>
Dumb straw man argument, the US and shrub in particular are stuck to
Iraq like Brer Rabbit to the tar baby. In the words of Colin Powell
"You break it, you own it."
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die
Jon Flamming
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:34:50 GMT, <nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>So be discusted. We are all discusted.
>>
>>But our miltary will see that these very few perverts see justice.
>>
>>The incident is over.
>>
> You wish. Did you watch Major General Taquba's testimony "failure in
> leadership ... from the brigade commander on down." "Lack of
> discipline, no training whatsoever and no supervision. Supervisory
> omission was rampant"
>
> After Me Lai all US troops are to receive yearly training in what is
> acceptable behaviour towards civilians and prisoners. Reservists are
> to get this training during basic training.
>
> Taguba testified that he had not read the Red Cross report but agreed
> with its finding that the abuse was systemic. He said he was told that
> some inmates were moved around to avoid visits by Red Cross officials.
>
> Remember the Red Cross? They are also the 'protecting power' seeing to
> the well being of any US troops who become POWs.
>
>>What do you nitwits want? Someone to fall on their sword? Pull the
>>miltary out of Iraq and forever after have our nation live in guilt?
>>Forget it.
> Dumb straw man argument, the US and shrub in particular are stuck to
> Iraq like Brer Rabbit to the tar baby. In the words of Colin Powell
> "You break it, you own it."
Indeed. In the case of Iraq, it's better to getaway from it before it
breaks you.
Top Poster
"Ivan Gowch" <go...@SPAMTHEENOThotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6172a0lqieqtvub4a...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:04:26 +0100, s...@m.me.not.com wrote:
>
> ==>On Mon, 10 May 2004 14:28:09 GMT, <nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> ==>>Come on! A very few of our people did a very bad thing! Did it to a
very few
> ==>>Iraqi's
>
> ==>more than 10,000 iraqi civilians dead so far
> ==>so how many is quite a lot,you decrepid old cunt
>
> Nshinede, as we know, has nothing but contempt
> for human rights, freedom, democracy and common
> human decency.
>
> He stands convicted as a fascist by his own words.
And you a dumbass by yours.
Micheal Wilson
in message news:VA7oc.32809$LA4.12796@edtnps84...
As Barry would say, "cite"?
nshi...@columbus.rr.com
followed by silly accusations based upon no facts.
10,000 Iraqi civilians killed! Nonsense. This war has produced fewer
civilian deaths through combat operations than probably any war in the
history of the earth.
Many more children and adults were starved to death by the United Nations
and France, Germany and Russia, stealing the "food for oil" money.
Where are your tears and your high words and your outrage on their behalf?
Where is your sympathy for the hundreds of thousands to probably millions
murdered by the Iragi's prior government?
God help our country if yet another of these leftist morons is elected
president with control of congress. We will end in one of two places, as
like California, as a welfare state which destroys itself, or a nation
paying tribute to all the terrorists
in the world, to the same end.
You leftists are cheap, petty little freeloading bums, who simply want "the
government" to feed and clothe you for life. You would destroy our country
simply to win an election to a man promising to become your parent, and make
you his children at our expense. You have no moral or ethical position on
which to judge me or anyone else. You leftists are in fact just parasites on
the backs of working people.
"Top Poster" <Top_Posters_Rule@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
in message news:%TBoc.4058$RM.3345@edtnps89...
Poster@poster.com Top Poster
--
Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once
they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
<nshi...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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Poster@poster.com Top Poster
Lynndie England were among the hundreds of X-rated photos and videos from
the Abu Ghraib prison scandal shown to lawmakers in a top-secret Capitol
conference room yesterday.
"She was having sex with numerous partners. It appeared to be consensual,"
said a lawmaker who saw the photos.
And, videos showed the disgraced soldier - made notorious in a photo showing
her holding a leash looped around an Iraqi prisoner's neck - engaged in
graphic sex acts with other soldiers in front of Iraqi prisoners, Pentagon
officials told NBC Nightly News.
"Almost everybody was naked all the time," another lawmaker said.
Many members of Congress left the 45-minute viewing session early, thereby
missing the porno performance by England, but there were enough other images
of torture, humiliation and intimidation to sicken anyone.
"It was pretty disgusting, not what you'd expect from Americans," said Sen.
Norm Coleman (R-Minn.). "There was lots of sexual stuff - not of the Iraqis,
but of our troops."
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who also characterized the photos as
"disgusting," agreed, noting, "It's hard to believe that this actually is
taking place in a military facility."
The shocking photos and videos, provided on computer disks by Pentagon
officials, showed attack dogs snarling at cowering prisoners, Iraqi women
forced to expose their breasts, and naked prisoners tied together on the
floor, senators revealed as they emerged from the heavily guarded conference
room.
"It was significantly worse than I had anticipated," said Sen. Ron Wyden
(D-Ore). "Take the worst case and multiply it over several times."
"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse
Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who
were disrobed or putting their shirts up."
Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) described the images as "more detailed and
more graphic than the pictures that have been released publicly," referring
to the disturbing photos of Iraqis being abused at Abu Ghraib prison that
surfaced two weeks ago, and which Islamic terrorists claim led to this
week's revenge beheading of American Nick Berg.
"Normally, I side with disclosure and openness, but in this case, these
photos are evidence," Schumer said, indicating that he favors keeping the
lid on the alarming pictures, as Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. John
Warner (R-Va.) have urged.
Rep. Jane Harman (Calif.), ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence
Committee, said she was most appalled by a video of a handcuffed prisoner
beating his head against a wall in an apparent bid to knock himself
unconscious to escape abuse.
In another video clip, she said, a group of men were shown masturbating.
Before the pictures of England's sex romps were shown to Congress, the
21-year-old reservist from West Virginia tried to portray herself as a
reluctant participant who was just following orders.
"I didn't really, I mean, want to be in any pictures," England told a Denver
TV station.
"I was instructed by persons in higher rank to 'stand there, hold this
leash, look at the camera,' and they took picture for PsyOps [psychological
operations]," she told KCNC-TV.
England acknowledged "it was kind of weird" when she was photographed
smiling, with a cigarette in her mouth, as she leaned forward and pointed at
the genitals of a naked, hooded Iraqi at Abu Ghraib prison.
England has refused to identify who gave her the orders, saying only that
they came from "persons in my chain of command."
England faces a military court-martial that includes charges such as
conspiracy to maltreat prisoners and assault consummated by battery.
She could face punishment ranging from a reprimand to more than 15 years in
prison
Poster@poster.com Top Poster
breeze
>Here we go again! Lots of high, teary eyed emotion, high sounding language,
>followed by silly accusations based upon no facts.
im not teary eyed,you old cunt
im smiling as i muse as on how similar yiur politics are to those of
that war monger who got his head in his hand the other day
>10,000 Iraqi civilians killed! Nonsense. This war has produced fewer
>civilian deaths through combat operations than probably any war in the
>history of the earth.
how the fuck do you know how many people were killed?
its common knowledge that youve refused to count them
and if you refuse to count them,how can you make your assertion about
"any war in history"?
> Many more children and adults were starved to death by the United Nations
>and France, Germany and Russia, stealing the "food for oil" money.
children and adults?
youre confused ,you old fool.
and your memory is shot too.
those people died as a consequence of sanctions which you demanded
so dont try blaming the french and germans
after all,youre probably going to have to kiss their asses again soon
to help you out in iraq
>
>Where are your tears and your high words and your outrage on their behalf?
>Where is your sympathy for the hundreds of thousands to probably millions
>murdered by the Iragi's prior government?
show me yours and ill show you mine you arthritic old hypocrite
>God help our country if yet another of these leftist morons is elected
>president with control of congress. We will end in one of two places, as
>like California, as a welfare state which destroys itself, or a nation
>paying tribute to all the terrorists
>in the world, to the same end.
i dont give a flying fuck which which world class hypocritical sack of
shite you brain dead gun totin porno wanking wankees think youre
electing.
but i do think that ronnie reagan and george bush are easily the
stupidest american presidents in my lifetime.
i also think you would get on well with them
>You leftists are cheap, petty little freeloading bums, who simply want "the
>government" to feed and clothe you for life.
ive worked all my life,you presumptious old wanker.
youre the fucking freeloader because youve got to rob other countries
to prop up your economy cos its running at a loss of half a trillion
dollars yearly
You would destroy our country
>simply to win an election to a man promising to become your parent, and make
>you his children at our expense.
im sure this means something to you, you gibbering old idiot
You have no moral or ethical position on
>which to judge me or anyone else. You leftists are in fact just parasites on
>the backs of working people.
leftist?liberal? freedom? democracy?
you warmongers seem to have all the best words.
but they mean nothing anymore
operation iraqi freedom??you warmongers are so stupid its almost funny
as for the parasite bit,i think i dealt with that above under"stupid
yankee gangsters and their pathetic kiss-ass brit bitches make
incredible botch of heist in iraq"
as for judging you,youve been posting here long enough and been ripped
to pieces often enough to show youre are just another loudmouth
redneck tosser with less intellectual capacity than the average ten
year old
if brains were dynamite,you couldnt blow your fucking nose
now do the world a favour and die.
breeze
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from the great human effort we have successfully made to help what? 25
million Iraqi's
to a better life.
Once again, this discusting but very minor event was uncovered and acted
upon by our military. It was reported to the Government by our military, and
these degenerates will be brought to justice by our military. Not by these
leftist news hacks, nor by the trash that continues to revisit it. These are
the same people who visit the filthy trash on the internet, and in the so
called "adult" book stores, who are really overage teenagers.
It was done, it is over, the guilty will be plunished. Let's concern
ourselves with something really important to the Iraqi people, the United
States of America, and the world.
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they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If
a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it
should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but
the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous
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