Watch "Hot Pursuit: 'Kejriwal Is Lying' Says Prashant Bhushan" on YouTube

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Juhi S

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Mar 26, 2015, 11:16:01 PM3/26/15
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Hot Pursuit: 'Kejriwal Is Lying' Says Prashant Bhushan: https://youtu.be/tuoJ8hzyhNE

Sujoy Lahiri

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Mar 26, 2015, 11:41:47 PM3/26/15
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Falguni Patadia

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Mar 27, 2015, 3:46:03 AM3/27/15
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I don't think so. In YouTube link Juhi sent, PB said that PAC cannot accept/reject resignation of NE. PAC is below NE and NC. 
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Juhi S

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Mar 27, 2015, 8:43:16 AM3/27/15
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All PAC NE NC is just for show....in AAP we have only AK.
If he can not work with team he should leave.

Juhi S

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Mar 27, 2015, 8:53:56 AM3/27/15
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And here is another side of the story too  http://youtu.be/6VO_ofV69Kg

Sushil Tiwari

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Mar 27, 2015, 9:16:08 AM3/27/15
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I think things were rotting since July nc meeting . Yogendra yadav sting on ak where he is saying he is thinking to form another party show how far they went away from each other .  yy recording this conversation another masterstroke. Seems like ak was not in control then if he was planning to leave .i think we heard of rumors that is planning to leave politics at all also.
One thing disturbs me. Now YY and PB openly speaking that AK's autocratic nature will destroy AAP. Still saying thy not demanding his ouster 

Paras Jain

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Mar 27, 2015, 10:35:55 AM3/27/15
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Wow. I am watching Kumar Vishwas' video sent by Juhi. Looks like no one is completely right or wrong. It's just power struggle. It's not a movement now, it's not Aam Aadmi Party. It is just an Aam Party ( just another political party)
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Paras Jain

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Mar 27, 2015, 10:36:50 AM3/27/15
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Both the sides may want you to convince that it is about principles and higher ideals. But it's not about it. 
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Paras

Mustafa A. Barbhuiya

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Mar 27, 2015, 10:46:31 AM3/27/15
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"It's just power struggle. It's not a movement now, it's not Aam Aadmi Party. It is just an Aam Party ( just another political party)" 

Agreed- soon will become SP, BSP type and Congress, BJP will remain as they are! The space for THIRD was there in the AIR in India for last 30 years and AAP seems lost OPPORTUNITY after giving a ray of hope! 

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Sushil Tiwari

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Mar 27, 2015, 10:52:29 AM3/27/15
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I disagree it is still Aam adami party but we all took it as mahaan Aadmi party .
Another side were accused of planting stories which confirm by journalist but denied by accused but after hearing so many stings of normal conversation of ak may be journalist is right . We might need to think what was intention then to record all those conversation and kept it as insurance policy ???

Paras Jain

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Mar 27, 2015, 10:54:53 AM3/27/15
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I used to tell my friends internally before Delhi electoin this time saying eventually AAPians are not martians they belong to this earth and they will eventually play politics fight and splinter but may be in a few years.

I would say they are stupid to do this now. Because even if unity was artificial it was in everyone's interest to fake it for a few years to establish in other states so that foolish people like us could support online at least. But anyway for them online volunteers doesn't matter much and with delhi govt in power they will organize money somehow.
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Paras Jain

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Mar 27, 2015, 10:56:52 AM3/27/15
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I think no one thought is is mahaan aadmi party. Only delusional people did. That's why most aapians forgave and ignored minor misdeeds and mistakes. Hell we even supported taking support from congress and other things in party. We made many mistakes but we moved on just looking at good governance and honesty and "a new politics"
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Paras

Sushil Tiwari

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Mar 27, 2015, 11:15:23 AM3/27/15
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We thought our party United after ls 2014 elections debacle and no head rolled. This is all skeletons of Infight occur after lokhsabha elections .

Particularly now I like shanti Bhusan who have decency to come fight against ak openly although I am personally disgusted by his letter in July 2014 which also leaked yesterday. He was able to get special invite in July for himself and his daughter to talk against ak in nc meeting only show how weak ak is as dictator. 

This is right time for yy gang to attack ak gang before volunteers settle down and start working for Delhi projects and give ak greater grip over party . Waiting 3-4 year from now we might be asking who is in yy gang .

Paras Jain

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Mar 27, 2015, 11:22:49 AM3/27/15
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That is why I am saying Hamam mein sab nange hai. When YY is given higher responsibilities without broader consultation he is happy. When SB, Shalini and Prashant works for party then kisi ko swaraj nahi yaad aata. Was there any vote or swaraj when Prashant bhushan's sister was made AAP global convenor. This is problem with YY/PB gang

Problem with Kejriwal is his old attitude of my way or highway. He brought in bootlicker jerks like Ashutosh in the party. Wants to oppose and take support from Congress at the same time. In fact now I don't even now what he actually wants, what are his principles and what he stands for. 
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Kaleem Kawaja

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Mar 27, 2015, 12:33:51 PM3/27/15
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Friends
I recall the days in late December 2013 (Delhi election)  to early May 2014 (the parliamentary election) .  I was so totally enthused by AAP and its top leaders.  AAP looked like a bright red rising sun on the filthy Indian politics, the sea reeking with corruption, abuse and immorality.  So many multitudes of well educated, meritorious, professional people; so many NRIs with good jobs and good education; so many idealist leaders of sincere movements enthused by AAP's clean and principled politics (not for satta, for a new rajniti).  We were truly intoxicated with the hope of a new future.

Now every day new dirty details are emerging about the two groups in AAP trying to harm each other.  O(ne group in the party is in power in the Delhi govt.  They only care for being in power in Delhi so that they can use that power to accomplish things (good things I guess).  The other group is saying we enthused so many people with hope in the name of clean/principled politics; we can not compromise on that.

Yes, it is possible that the group in power in Delhi can compromise but they are too confident from their overwhelming victory in Delhi election.  They think they have the alchemy political formula for winning.  Why should they compromise or change?  Forget all that idealism, this is hardball politics. 

So the split in AAP is inevitable.  It is only a question of time.  The group in power is a Aam Party, just a political party, in politics to win and be in power.  They believe that ends justify the means.  Do not question the means.  They will remain power in Delhi for 5 years.  But they can not spread outside Delhi and very few volunteers outside Delhi will go with them.  They may have a future inside Delhi if they accomplish some good things even without caring for principled politics.  

What will the others who believe in principled politics do? Their future lies outside Delhi but only in  a few places where AAP has had support. They can try to follow the principled politics in those places; many volunteers may go with them.  They may be successful if hey do not become so idealistic as to be impractical.

Both groups are now destined to remain very small  with local successes and incapable of challenging the established and corrupt parties and their politics in the nation.

In recent past two other political movements that were going to clean up politics failed due to much infighting. 

First: Morarji Desai's Janata party failed in 1977
Second: VP Singh's Janata  Dal failed in 1990.

Now in 2015, AAP has failed.

Large masses of well educated, well meaning Indians remain full of wishes that somehow the politics of India will improve and cleanse itself.

"Meri hasraton say kuh do kahin aur jaa basen"
(Tell my aspirations to go nest somewhere else)


Kaleem Kawaja

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Sujoy Lahiri

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Mar 27, 2015, 1:08:43 PM3/27/15
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Well said Kaleem. Very well said.

I envy those friends of mine who still have hopes and faith in AAP as there is still light ahead for them. But for me sadly, very sadly it seems to be over. I hope tomorrow in the NC meeting they won't get into a fist-fight, as that's the only thing we have left so far.

I'll be hanging around anyway and hope for the best for the future to come.
Take care guys,
Sujoy

Kaleem Kawaja

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Mar 27, 2015, 1:10:08 PM3/27/15
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Paras:
The process of swaraj can only be implemented within practical limits.  For each and every assignment to individuals there can not be election.  Because that will grind the process to halt and nothing can be acted upon.  In every organization at the early stages the activists divide functions among them with general agreement.  Not possible to check with each and every activist.

AK is a brilliant and totally committed activist. But he is not willing to take advice from others, no matter how exalted they may be.  For AK gaining power in Delhi was the prime goal so that he could accomplish a few things for his own future.  If some principles are to be dropped, so be it.  FOR YY, PB that is not acceptable.

Some activists whom AK brought into the party are loyal to him at this time.  But for how long?.  Sooner or later they will assert themselves and at that time there will be more parting of ways.  

What is sad is that AK demonstrated his one-way traffic style so soon.  He could have compromised a bit now and play the game later. But he is following Indra Gandhi style.  Too confident and split the party so that in his faction he can do what he wants without consulting with anyone. And confident that he can drive out the dissenters into oblivion.

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