Can you answer the question?
Dave Haas
What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
betting your life on this.
Wondering,
D. Haas
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rfbunting
THE
Way To God?
Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
Mormonism Taoism Psychology
Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
Russellism Baptists Bahaism
Judaism Catholicism Adventism
Modernism Silva Davidianism
Christianity Science UFOs
New Age Drugs Moral Majority
Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
JESUS said:
"I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
unto THE
Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
"For whosever shall call upon the name of the LORD
shall be
saved." Rom 10:13
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times
shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
proud,
BLASPHEMERS, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy," II
Tim: 2:1,2
Paul accurately describes today's society. All the
mentioned
characteristics fulfill prophecy and give validity to the claim
that the Bible
is God's Word and the Bible says that Jesus is THE Son of God.
The predication of men being blasphemers is very
significant.
The definition of blasphemy is the act of insulting God or
showing contempt
for or lack of reverence for God; also, claiming the attributes
of deity or
having irreverence toward something considered sacred or
inviolable.
Who do people curse and swear by? GOD and JESUS
CHRIST! Who
do many cultists claim to be? JESUS CHRIST! What name is sacred
to many,
and yet, most people show little reverence to it? JESUS CHRIST!
I have been in other countries and have not found
people using
the name of Buddha or Allah in vain, or claiming to be them. One
would be
executed! Even in those countries, the most popular curse is
JESUS CHRIST!
By their own lips they confirm the deity of Christ, because God
said in the
end times, men would be blasphemers of GOD and today they
blaspheme no one
else as CHRIST is blasphemed! They mock Him now, as they did on
the Cross,
nearly two thousand years ago.
There is no doubt that JESUS is THE Christ, THE
SON OF GOD.
If after reading this, you will reject Christ, you fulfill other
verses in
the Bible. "But if our Gospel be HID, it is hid to them that
are lost: in
whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them that
believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of CHRIST, who is THE image
of GOD,
should shine unto them (II Cor 4:3,4).
Why not accept THE Way and The Truth and be
saved from sin
and Hell? If you would like to be saved, use the following
prayer as an
example to tell God and His Son, Jesus, you want salvation!
The words are not magical. God looks on the heart and, not the
lips. Call
out to Him, in your own way! You may call longer or louder than
someone else.
That is fine! Just call before it is too late!
Dear God, I know that I am a sinner and that Your
Son, Jesus
Christ, died and rose again to pay for my sins. I want Him to be
my King and
Saviour. Please forgive me for my sins. I want to turn from my
sin and, with your help, to obey You. Save me now, for Jesus'
sake. Thank You for saving me, Amen.
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Danny Mac
rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
37127394...@earthlink.net...
<snip>
Quit shouting, asshole.
> "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
>unto THE
>Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>
> HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>
<snip>
----
Danny Mac
#1516
Stephen Fletcher
part of then you now that you are right.
Dave Haas <dh...@uncfsu.campuscwix.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.117c2c906...@news.campuscwix.net...
> How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
> What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
> betting your life on this.
>
> Wondering,
>
> D. Haas
tiglath
Dave Haas wrote in message ...
>How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
>What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
>betting your life on this.
>
>Wondering,
>
>D. Haas
There is no way, God is unknowable, and we cannot distinguish the
unknowable
from the non existent. Christians get around this by giving their God
attributes that
appear knowable, like all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good, etc. But under
scrutiny this
attributes collapse into being unknowable themselves, besides contradicting
each other.
If there is a God, one may wonder why can he reveal himself with laser beam
like clarity
in a way that no doubt remains in the mind on any man or woman. For now,
all we have is hundreds of religions, each claming to be the true one: a
very
unconvincing mess of unequaled dimensions.
If the atheistic view doesn't appeal to you, there is the "just in case
approach" in which
one follows the will of (choose one) God and if one
is wrong nothing is lost, but if, on the other hand, one doesn't follow Him
and He does
exist everything is lost.
This is no option for those theist who believe that belief system must be
embraced impassionately
or not at all.
Davidson
>
> If you read and belive what the Bible says no matter what religion you are a
> part of then you now that you are right.
>
I bet the Moslems and Hindus say the same thing. Try again, oh fundy
of very little brain.
Scott #1045
> Dave Haas <dh...@uncfsu.campuscwix.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.117c2c906...@news.campuscwix.net...
Davidson
>
> Which Is
> THE
> Way To God?
>
> Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
> Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
> Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
> Mormonism Taoism Psychology
> Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
> Russellism Baptists Bahaism
> Judaism Catholicism Adventism
> Modernism Silva Davidianism
> Christianity Science UFOs
> New Age Drugs Moral Majority
> Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
>
> JESUS said:
>
> unto THE
> Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>
> HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>
> shall be
> saved." Rom 10:13
>
is right because the Bible says it is right? Brilliant
thinking. Sure convinces me.
People all through history say things are terrible. Want
to bet that its the last days? Give me an outside
date, and say you'll turn over all your money to me
after it. Jeezus will love it, and I'll suffer
with all your evil wealth.
Scott #1045
Galen Surlak-Ramsey
>I just love the way you fundy christers try to frighten people into
>believing in your mythology. Guess what, little man. Most of us have grown
>past the point of needing fairy tales as psychological support.
>
>Grow up. Face reality.
>
>Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
I was just wondering (going from a psychological standpoint) why if you are
so "secure" in your beliefs, that you feel the need to bolster your
confidence by convincing yourself through childish name calling and telling
that other's beliefs are fairy tales. He gave an honest, mature answer, and
despite whether he is right or not, mudslinging does little to aid a serious
conversation. Psychological research has proven that one of the biggest
defense mechanisms is denial of the truth (or the possibility there of,
depending on how you want to apply it to this case) and open verbal
abuse/bashing. If you are so confident, why do the beliefs of others
threaten you to the point of trashing?
Semper Fidelis,
Galen
Davidson
So this must explain why Christers spend big bucks on TV programs
telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
is going to burn for eternity.
Atheists just insult people coming in here asking for it.
Scott #1045
==================
Read the first chapter of my sf book at
http://home.att.net/~davidson/book/Moon_toc.html
Frank Wustner
> Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote:
> > > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
> > >unto THE
> > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> > Quit shouting, asshole.
> Is that the best you can do?
Why should he bother doing any better for a mindless troll?
> So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
Who cares? The idiot was just preaching his nonsense to four
different news groups, one of which (the one Danny is posting
from, as it happens) preaching is completely OFF TOPIC.
> Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the man
> says.
Because the stupid shit-for-brains doesn't deserve respect,
that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
(and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
--
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Davidson
>
> ----What Would Jesus Do?
>
> Davidson <davi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3712C7...@worldnet.att.net...
> are trying to show people the way to Heaven.
>
Which of course each little cult has a monopoly on, versus all
the other little cults. Nope, you christians showed a lot
of my ancestors the way to heaven a bit before they
were ready.
> >
> > Atheists just insult people coming in here asking for it.
>
> So that makes it right? if someone asks you to kill him, then you would not
> hesitate to put a bullet in his head.
>
People coming in here wanting to talk get treated courteously.
People preaching get rebutted - harshly at times.
But we mostly tell people they should start thinking - far
more useful than following the precepts of an old book
of myths, and quaking in fear before a mythical psychotic
deity - a god of love who slaughtered millions for their own
good.
Scott #1045
> >
> > Scott #1045
> >
> > ==================
> >
> > Read the first chapter of my sf book at
> > http://home.att.net/~davidson/book/Moon_toc.html
>
> ----What Would Jesus Do?
Frank Wustner
> >Since when is beating up trolls on usenet considered a sign of some kind
> >of intellectual dick-envy?
> Why even bother beating up trollers?
Because the usenet is hardly an intellectual breading ground. We
are all here slumming, no matter what you say. Why *shouldn't*
we beat them up?
> >Look at the message header and realize you're posting to alt.atheism,
> >a newsgroup in which idiots like the one Michelle toasted are expected to
> >be dealt with in just such a manner.
> I know where all these posts are headed, and just because the original
> poster was or was not an idiot, does not warrant such previous behavior.
> Mature discussions can be made.
How long have you been posting to the use net? How can you even
*think* that mature discussion can be had with a troll?
> >Realize that a C+ in PSYCH 100 does not a psychologist make, nor does
> >it qualify you to make thinly-veiled ad-hominem attacks criticising other
> >people for other (quite overt) ad-hominem attacks. Perhaps you should go
> >back and re-take that logic class you flunked too.
> And this last remark has what to do with the conversation?
Perhaps it has something to do with you talking about having
mature discussions with trolls.
Frank Wustner
> Davidson <davi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > So this must explain why Christers spend big bucks on TV programs
> > telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
> > is going to burn for eternity.
> They do not pay big bucks to tell people that they will burn in hell... They
> are trying to show people the way to Heaven.
You obviously don't pay attention to what Christian groups spend
their money on. For example, over here at UCSB a year ago, the
school paper ran a local church's advertisement that specifically
said, though not in so many words, "Obey our morality rather than
your own or you will burn."
> > Atheists just insult people coming in here asking for it.
> So that makes it right?
Yes. They purposefully annoy and insult us. They have no right
to expect any better from us.
> if someone asks you to kill him, then you would not
> hesitate to put a bullet in his head.
Do you always purposefully equivocate other people's words to
make it sound as if they are saying something they didn't say, or
are you feeling particularly dishonest today?
Davidson
>
> >So this must explain why Christers spend big bucks on TV programs
> >telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
> >is going to burn for eternity.
> >
> >
>
> I never condoned the action(s) of any you are in refrence to, but there's
> always the option of turning the channel. If they ever said anything of the
> sort (which I'm sure at least one has) I would say the same thing to
> him/her. My post was an observation, not an attack.
>
> Semper Fidelis,
> Galen
Actually the post that Mickey was trashing was not yours but
the stupid post by Bunting, which shouted nonsense from the Bible
as if it meant anything to us. We see that kind of troll around
here all the time, and the troller posts his drivel and never
has the guts to respond.
My repsonse to you was just saying that the so-called defensiveness
works both ways. I'd much rather have reasoned debates -
creationists and fundamentalists always lose, and usually retreat
to nonsense (or leave.) We know we should probably ignore
trolls, but some would no doubt brag how we don't have
any answer to their nonsense.
if you have good arguments about why god exists we'd love to
hear them. Those who just quote random parts of the bible
in caps are beneath our contempt.
Scott #1045
raven1
<rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote:
>Which Is
> THE
> Way To God?
>
>Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
>Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
>Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
>Mormonism Taoism Psychology
>Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
>Russellism Baptists Bahaism
>Judaism Catholicism Adventism
>Modernism Silva Davidianism
>Christianity Science UFOs
>New Age Drugs Moral Majority
>Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
>
> JESUS said:
>
> "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
>unto THE
>Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
Who gives a fuck what a deluded jewish mystic supposedly said,
according to a book written some 70 or more years after his death?
<remaining drivel snipped>
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<kd5...@insolwwb.net> wrote:
>If you read and belive what the Bible says no matter what religion you are a
>part of then you now that you are right.
Goody! I'll have to run right out and tell that to my Satanist
friends.
Michelle Malkin
<rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote:
>Which Is
> THE
> Way To God?
>
>Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
>Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
>Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
>Mormonism Taoism Psychology
>Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
>Russellism Baptists Bahaism
>Judaism Catholicism Adventism
>Modernism Silva Davidianism
>Christianity Science UFOs
>New Age Drugs Moral Majority
>Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
>
> JESUS said:
>
> "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
>unto THE
>Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>
> HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>
> "For whosever shall call upon the name of the LORD
>shall be
>saved." Rom 10:13
>
> "This know also, that in the last days perilous times
>shall come.
>For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
>proud,
>BLASPHEMERS, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy," II
>Tim: 2:1,2
>
> Paul accurately describes today's society. All the
>mentioned
>characteristics fulfill prophecy and give validity to the claim
>that the Bible
>is God's Word and the Bible says that Jesus is THE Son of God.
>
> The predication of men being blasphemers is very
>significant.
>The definition of blasphemy is the act of insulting God or
>showing contempt
>for or lack of reverence for God; also, claiming the attributes
>of deity or
>having irreverence toward something considered sacred or
>inviolable.
>
> Who do people curse and swear by? GOD and JESUS
>CHRIST! Who
>do many cultists claim to be? JESUS CHRIST! What name is sacred
>to many,
>and yet, most people show little reverence to it? JESUS CHRIST!
>
I just love the way you fundy christers try to frighten people into
believing in your mythology. Guess what, little man. Most of us have grown
past the point of needing fairy tales as psychological support.
Grow up. Face reality.
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
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Dave Fried
: >I just love the way you fundy christers try to frighten people into
: >believing in your mythology. Guess what, little man. Most of us have grown
: >past the point of needing fairy tales as psychological support.
: >
: >Grow up. Face reality.
: >
: >Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
: I was just wondering (going from a psychological standpoint) why if you are
: so "secure" in your beliefs, that you feel the need to bolster your
: confidence by convincing yourself through childish name calling and telling
: that other's beliefs are fairy tales. He gave an honest, mature answer, and
: despite whether he is right or not, mudslinging does little to aid a serious
: conversation. Psychological research has proven that one of the biggest
: defense mechanisms is denial of the truth (or the possibility there of,
: depending on how you want to apply it to this case) and open verbal
: abuse/bashing. If you are so confident, why do the beliefs of others
: threaten you to the point of trashing?
Since when is beating up trolls on usenet considered a sign of some kind
of intellectual dick-envy?
You need to:
Look at the message header and realize you're posting to alt.atheism,
a newsgroup in which idiots like the one Michelle toasted are expected to
be dealt with in just such a manner.
Realize that a C+ in PSYCH 100 does not a psychologist make, nor does
it qualify you to make thinly-veiled ad-hominem attacks criticising other
people for other (quite overt) ad-hominem attacks. Perhaps you should go
back and re-take that logic class you flunked too.
Dave Fried
BAAWA Squire
P.S. - Michelle, can I get one of those spiffy a.a numbers? Thanks!
pan
<kd5...@insolwwb.net> wrote:
>If you read and belive what the Bible says no matter what religion you are a
>part of then you now that you are right.
>
In other words:
I know the Bible is true, because the Bible 'tells me so' ?
What about all of those Hindus who believe that the doctrine of the
Vedas and Upanishads are true; are they correct, also?
pan
Amos33
>
> How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
> What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
> betting your life on this.
>
> Wondering,
>
> D. Haas
It was the Gospel message that caught me, convicted me that I was lost
and in need of repentance and led me to a hill called calvary. When I
gave my life to Jesus, I gave from the depths of my soul, there was no
doubting. There had always been a "craving" for something that I did not
know what it was. When I was a child, I thought it was ice cream, when I
was a teenager, I thought it was girls and ice cream. When I was a young
man I thought it was war, girls and ice cream and when I came to Jesus,
I Knew it was Eternal Life. He gives us the 'evidence' Himself. One
moment I was an alcoholic, the next I wasn't. I haven't had the craving
for alcohol. One moment I was an adulterer and fornicator, the next I
was wasn't. But the greatest thing that happened to me is my love of God
and His love for me. It's not just head knowledge or mental ascent, it
is a spiritual awakening of a dead spirit that longs to be with His
Father in Heaven. There is only one door in Heaven and His name is Jesus
Christ. It certainly is NOT religion. It's called Christianity.
Christianity is a family fact.
Christianity - Supernatural = Religion. The Word of God and the Holy
Spirit always work together and they cannot be separated. The Word of
God is true and the Spirit of Truth works with the word of God,
convicting us of our need to Repent, the Blood of Jesus cleanses us from
sin and the Holy Spirit leads us and teaches us all things.
I cannot prove anything to you, except to tell you that He changes the
lives of men and women and children everywhere and He is there now
waiting patiently, for you to come to Him. He does not force Himself
upon you and He is very Gentle and Kind and Loving. Seek Him now while
there is still time. I don't ask others to join my church, because you
cannot join the Church of God, you are "born" into it. How sad that we
spend 50-70 years in this death doomed body and do not reach out to lay
hold on the promise of Eternal Life. The Gospel message is powerful and
is available - now. "For
G-od so loved the world, that he gave his
O-nly begotten
S-on, that whosoever believes in him, should no
P-erish, but have
E-verlasting
L-ife." John 3:16. That's the GOSPEL in minature. Please seek Him now!
Mr. Stumper
Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
>
> rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
> 37127394...@earthlink.net...
>
> <snip>
>
> Quit shouting, asshole.
>
>
> >unto THE
> >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> >
> > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> >
>
> ----
> Danny Mac
> #1516
>
>
>
Is that the best you can do?
So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the man
says.
----What Would Jesus Do?
Mr. Stumper
Davidson <davi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3712C7...@worldnet.att.net...
> Galen Surlak-Ramsey wrote:
> >
> > >I just love the way you fundy christers try to frighten people into
> > >believing in your mythology. Guess what, little man. Most of us have
grown
> > >past the point of needing fairy tales as psychological support.
> > >
> > >Grow up. Face reality.
> > >
> > >Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
> >
> > I was just wondering (going from a psychological standpoint) why if you
are
> > so "secure" in your beliefs, that you feel the need to bolster your
> > confidence by convincing yourself through childish name calling and
telling
> > that other's beliefs are fairy tales. He gave an honest, mature answer,
and
> > despite whether he is right or not, mudslinging does little to aid a
serious
> > conversation. Psychological research has proven that one of the biggest
> > defense mechanisms is denial of the truth (or the possibility there of,
> > depending on how you want to apply it to this case) and open verbal
> > abuse/bashing. If you are so confident, why do the beliefs of others
> > threaten you to the point of trashing?
> >
> > Semper Fidelis,
> > Galen
>
> So this must explain why Christers spend big bucks on TV programs
> telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
> is going to burn for eternity.
They do not pay big bucks to tell people that they will burn in hell... They
are trying to show people the way to Heaven.
>
> Atheists just insult people coming in here asking for it.
So that makes it right? if someone asks you to kill him, then you would not
hesitate to put a bullet in his head.
>
Debber7
Galen Surlak-Ramsey
>telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
>is going to burn for eternity.
>
>
Galen Surlak-Ramsey
>of intellectual dick-envy?
Why even bother beating up trollers?
>Look at the message header and realize you're posting to alt.atheism,
>a newsgroup in which idiots like the one Michelle toasted are expected to
>be dealt with in just such a manner.
I know where all these posts are headed, and just because the original
poster was or was not an idiot, does not warrant such previous behavior.
Mature discussions can be made.
>Realize that a C+ in PSYCH 100 does not a psychologist make, nor does
>it qualify you to make thinly-veiled ad-hominem attacks criticising other
>people for other (quite overt) ad-hominem attacks. Perhaps you should go
>back and re-take that logic class you flunked too.
And this last remark has what to do with the conversation?
Semper Fidelis,
Galen
dotcom
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Respect must be earned.
> ----What Would Jesus Do?
For one, I doubt he'd buy a tee-shirt with "WWJD" printed on it and
claim it was a deep or meaningful statement.
dotcom, off...
yes, I am an atheist, and no, I don't want to hear about jeeezus
There is no god worth our worship.
Martin Schlottmann
Danny Mac
Mr. Stumper <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>> rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
>> 37127394...@earthlink.net...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Quit shouting, asshole.
>>
>>
>> > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
>> >unto THE
>> >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>> >
>> > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>> >
>> <snip>
>>
>> ----
>> Danny Mac
>> #1516
>>
>>
>>
>
>Is that the best you can do?
>So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
>Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the man
>says.
>
It seems as though the shouting dude believes in the Bible because Paul
accurately predicted today's society. However, it doesn't take a genius to
figure out that children will be disresectful to their parents. It is human
nature, and it goes back well earlier than Paul. Why would their be a
commandment to "honor your mother and father" if it hadn't been needed by
the Israelites?
That is the one reason he gives for the correctness of the Bible.
Everything else he shouts so as to trick, scare, or fool people, so that
they can not see his numberous unsupported assertions. It is an
intimidation tactic and I don't care for it.
Next?
----
Danny Mac
#1516
>
>
>
>----What Would Jesus Do?
>
>
Reverend Spith
>
> Which Is
> THE
> Way To God?
>
> Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
> Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
> Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
> Mormonism Taoism Psychology
> Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
> Russellism Baptists Bahaism
> Judaism Catholicism Adventism
> Modernism Silva Davidianism
> Christianity Science UFOs
> New Age Drugs Moral Majority
> Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
>
> JESUS said:
>
> Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
<<and a lot of other references to the same source>>
So you're saying that every OTHER source that claims itself as the
ultimate source of The Truth is wrong? Okay, then, how do you decide
that your source is not wrong as well.
I am continually amused with the inability of people to realize that
PROVING the "truth" of the Bible by QUOTING the Bible is logically void,
and means nothing to anybody who is asking for actual evidence (or
rational thought)
--
-Reverend Spith
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
-Oz
Reverend Spith
>
> "Galen Surlak-Ramsey" <gsu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Why even bother beating up trollers?
>
> Because the usenet is hardly an intellectual breading ground. We
> are all here slumming, no matter what you say. Why *shouldn't*
> we beat them up?
This is the result of making things too easy and comfy. Many years
ago when there was no WWW or ISP on every street corner or free browser
downloads, people had to sit in front of a text-filled screen (usually
green) and learn a few useful unix commands to be able to navigate
through their newsgroups on usenet. As a result of it requiring some
level of effort, there was a higher percentage of reasonable discussion
through most topics. But now, any bored idiot with time on his (or her)
hands can find a NG by a few clicks of a mouse, and start spewing away
with little effort or thought. It is absolutely inevitable that it is
now much more difficult to find reasonable discussions anywhere outside
of the more technically-oriented NGs.
Ah... the "good ol' days"....
Reverend Spith
> If the atheistic view doesn't appeal to you, there is the "just in case
> approach" in which one follows the will of (choose one) God and if one
> is wrong nothing is lost, but if, on the other hand, one doesn't follow Him
> and He does exist everything is lost.
Of course, what MOST "just-in-case"ers seem to overlook is that if
they choose a religion to 'cover the bases,' what happens if they choose
the wrong one? They always say that choosing a god whom is NOT of the
Bible will piss him off; well what if you pick the Bible's god, but find
out that when you die, Vishnu is now very pissed off, and your choice of
gods puts you in an even worse position that a choice of none would
have. I have always found the "fallback" religion idea much more risky
than simply suspending judgement until all the (available) facts were
in.
Reverend Spith
>
> Dave Haas wrote:
> >
> > How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
> > What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
> > betting your life on this.
> >
> > Wondering,
> >
> > D. Haas
>
> It was the Gospel message that caught me, convicted me that I was lost
> and in need of repentance and led me to a hill called calvary. When I
> gave my life to Jesus, I gave from the depths of my soul, there was no
> doubting. There had always been a "craving" for something that I did not
> know what it was. When I was a child, I thought it was ice cream, when I
> was a teenager, I thought it was girls and ice cream. When I was a young
> man I thought it was war, girls and ice cream and when I came to Jesus,
> I Knew it was Eternal Life. He gives us the 'evidence' Himself. One
> moment I was an alcoholic, the next I wasn't. I haven't had the craving
> for alcohol. One moment I was an adulterer and fornicator, the next I
> was wasn't. But the greatest thing that happened to me is my love of God
> and His love for me. It's not just head knowledge or mental ascent, it
> is a spiritual awakening of a dead spirit that longs to be with His
> Father in Heaven. There is only one door in Heaven and His name is Jesus
> Christ. It certainly is NOT religion. It's called Christianity.
> Christianity is a family fact.
Of course, given the simple power of the humna mind, ANY belief of
that basic nature can 'heal' a person's 'soul' and turn one's life
around. If you had reached out, yearning for Truth, and come back with
Dianetics, your results would be the same. By embracing the "pure and
beautiful truth" of Dianetics, and embracing it with all of your heart,
your inner need for a guiding force in your life to enable you to be
strong enough to do what you obviously already felt was the Right Thing,
would be every bit as fulfilled, simply by the act of your own mind
giving you the strength of personal conviction.
A. O'Reilly
nospam.net enlightened us with...
>
> HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
Must be that tingly-goodness feeling in your soul...whatever that is...
> "For whosever shall call upon the name of the LORD
> shall be
> saved." Rom 10:13
OK, no proof there.
> "This know also, that in the last days perilous times
> shall come.
> For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
> proud,
> BLASPHEMERS, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy," II
> Tim: 2:1,2
Wow, he's just described most of history. These aren't any new
behavioral patterns emerging.
> Paul accurately describes today's society. All the
> mentioned
> characteristics fulfill prophecy and give validity to the claim
> that the Bible
> is God's Word and the Bible says that Jesus is THE Son of God.
Uh-huh.
> Who do people curse and swear by? GOD and JESUS
> CHRIST! Who
> do many cultists claim to be? JESUS CHRIST! What name is sacred
> to many,
> and yet, most people show little reverence to it? JESUS CHRIST!
I also swear by random other deities as the mood strikes (and for humor
value) -- I also swear by some choice four letter words for feces and the
sex act. However, I don't worship poop or screwing either.
> I have been in other countries and have not found
> people using
> the name of Buddha or Allah in vain, or claiming to be them. One
> would be
> executed!
Which countries? Lots of other Xian countries out there...
> Even in those countries, the most popular curse is
> JESUS CHRIST!
WHich countries? Perhaps we could visit the soc.culture.* newsgroup for
that country and see if they agree with you.
> By their own lips they confirm the deity of Christ, because God
> said in the
> end times, men would be blasphemers of GOD and today they
> blaspheme no one
> else as CHRIST is blasphemed! They mock Him now, as they did on
> the Cross,
> nearly two thousand years ago.
I thought you said this whole mocking thing was new and was fulfilling
prophecy -- now you say we've been doing it for 2,000 years? Make up
your mind!
>
> There is no doubt that JESUS is THE Christ, THE
> SON OF GOD.
> If after reading this, you will reject Christ, you fulfill other
> verses in
> the Bible. "But if our Gospel be HID, it is hid to them that
> are lost: in
> whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them that
> believe not,
> lest the light of the glorious gospel of CHRIST, who is THE image
> of GOD,
> should shine unto them (II Cor 4:3,4).
So we're predestined? Oh well, I guess it's not my fault then. Yay!
>
> Why not accept THE Way and The Truth and be
> saved from sin
> and Hell?
Cite some evidence for why we should and maybe we'll talk.
> Maverick Ministries - Have Bible Will Preach!
Even to people who find us annoying, and especially early on Sunday
mornings door-to-door.
--
A. O'Reilly Atheist #1153
==============================================
I feel my body weakened by the years,
As people turn to gods of cruel design.
Is it that they fear the pain of death?
Or could it be they fear the joy of life?
Mr. Stumper
Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
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> "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote:
>
> > > > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
> > > >unto THE
> > > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>
>
> > Is that the best you can do?
>
>
>
> different news groups, one of which (the one Danny is posting
> from, as it happens) preaching is completely OFF TOPIC.
>
man
> > says.
>
> that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
> rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
> (and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
>
>
All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
attack the messenger.
----What Would Jesus Do?
Frank Wustner
I'd be willing to bet that you are pretty close to the answer.
And I admit that it might be nice to have reasonable discussions
more often. On the other hand, we aren't back in those good old
days, unfortunately. We have to deal with things as they are
right now. And right now, the use net is more a form of stress
relief than an acedemic centre. ^_^
Mr. Stumper
dotcom <dot...@navix.net> wrote in message
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> In article <7eul52$g27$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Mr. Stumper
> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
> > > 37127394...@earthlink.net...
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Quit shouting, asshole.
> > >
> > >
> > > >unto THE
> > > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> > > >
> > > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> > > >
> > >
> > > ----
> > > Danny Mac
> > > #1516
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
man
> > says.
>
>
> > ----What Would Jesus Do?
>
> For one, I doubt he'd buy a tee-shirt with "WWJD" printed on it and
> claim it was a deep or meaningful statement.
>
> dotcom, off...
> yes, I am an atheist, and no, I don't want to hear about jeeezus
>
> There is no god worth our worship.
> Martin Schlottmann
You dont know anything about him, as i dont know anything about you. I would
not be disrespectful to you out of courtesy. Maybe now i should expect
atheists not to have courtesy.
----What Would Jesus Do?
Mr. Stumper
>
>
> Mr. Stumper <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> 7eul52$g27$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> >news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> >>
> >> rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> 37127394...@earthlink.net...
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> Quit shouting, asshole.
> >>
> >>
> >> > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
> >> >unto THE
> >> >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> >> >
> >> > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> >> >
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Danny Mac
> >> #1516
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Is that the best you can do?
> >So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
> >Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the man
> >says.
> >
>
> accurately predicted today's society. However, it doesn't take a genius
to
> figure out that children will be disresectful to their parents. It is
human
> nature, and it goes back well earlier than Paul. Why would their be a
> commandment to "honor your mother and father" if it hadn't been needed by
> the Israelites?
>
> That is the one reason he gives for the correctness of the Bible.
> Everything else he shouts so as to trick, scare, or fool people, so that
> they can not see his numberous unsupported assertions. It is an
> intimidation tactic and I don't care for it.
Did you get scared reading it? Were you intimidated? I did not get scared,
and in no way did I feel intimidated
>
> Next?
>
> ----
> Danny Mac
> #1516
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >----What Would Jesus Do?
> >
> >
>
>
----What Would Jesus Do?
Mr. Stumper
Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
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> "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > So this must explain why Christers spend big bucks on TV programs
> > > telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
> > > is going to burn for eternity.
>
They
> > are trying to show people the way to Heaven.
>
> their money on. For example, over here at UCSB a year ago, the
> school paper ran a local church's advertisement that specifically
> said, though not in so many words, "Obey our morality rather than
> your own or you will burn."
So if they didnt use all those words, then you are adding your own words. So
what did they really say?
>
> > > Atheists just insult people coming in here asking for it.
>
> > So that makes it right?
>
> Yes. They purposefully annoy and insult us. They have no right
> to expect any better from us.
How were you insulted? If you come here you must expect to see a different
viewpoint.
>
> > if someone asks you to kill him, then you would not
> > hesitate to put a bullet in his head.
>
> Do you always purposefully equivocate other people's words to
> make it sound as if they are saying something they didn't say, or
> are you feeling particularly dishonest today?
I am just reading what they are saying. If a Christian would say something
similar then a bunch of atheists would do the same. Cant yall take yall own
medicine?
----What Would Jesus Do?
Christopher A. Lee
>> > > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>>
>>
>> > Is that the best you can do?
>>
>>
>>
>> different news groups, one of which (the one Danny is posting
>> from, as it happens) preaching is completely OFF TOPIC.
>>
>man
>> > says.
He didn't deserve any - he hadn't the respect for those outside his
religion to keep it to himself. Nor the intrelligence to realise that
OUTSIDE HIS RELIGION he might just as well be telling us all about
Santa Claus - BECAUSE THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE to non-Christians.
AND BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOMEBODY ELSE'S RELIGIOUS BELIEF THAT NOBODY
WOULD GHIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT, IF HE KEPT IT TO HIMSELF, THERE'S
NOTHING TO REFUTE.
>> Because the stupid shit-for-brains doesn't deserve respect,
>> that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
>> rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
>> (and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
>
>All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
>attack the messenger.
And all you Christians are the same, you arrogantly think you
have something to tell us whether or not we're interested.
If the "messenger" is an ignorant asshole then it's his own
fault for being treated like one.
>----What Would Jesus Do?
And that's another example of your arrogant stupidity.
What would Santa Claus do?
Mr. Stumper
Davidson <davi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3712E0...@worldnet.att.net...
> > > So this must explain why Christers spend big bucks on TV programs
> > > telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
> > > is going to burn for eternity.
> >
> > They do not pay big bucks to tell people that they will burn in hell...
They
> > are trying to show people the way to Heaven.
> >
> Which of course each little cult has a monopoly on, versus all
> the other little cults. Nope, you christians showed a lot
> of my ancestors the way to heaven a bit before they
> were ready.
What is that supposed to mean? are you saying that Christians killed your
ancestors?
>
> > >
> > > Atheists just insult people coming in here asking for it.
> >
> > So that makes it right? if someone asks you to kill him, then you would
not
> > hesitate to put a bullet in his head.
> >
> People coming in here wanting to talk get treated courteously.
> People preaching get rebutted - harshly at times.
He was *not* rebutted... he was just insulted.
>
> But we mostly tell people they should start thinking - far
> more useful than following the precepts of an old book
> of myths, and quaking in fear before a mythical psychotic
> deity - a god of love who slaughtered millions for their own
> good.
so you all atheists follow your own thoughts?
No the Bible gives guidance to all who read it and understand it.
>
> Scott #1045
> > >
> > > Scott #1045
> > >
> > > ==================
> > >
> > > Read the first chapter of my sf book at
> > > http://home.att.net/~davidson/book/Moon_toc.html
> >
Frank Wustner
> Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote:
> > "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the man
> > > says.
> > Because the stupid shit-for-brains doesn't deserve respect,
> > that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
> > rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
> > (and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
> All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
> attack the messenger.
Show where the idiot's message was, and I'll be glad to answer it,
Mr. bigot. Just keep in mind, holely babble blather that we have
seen a billion times is not a message.
Mr. Stumper
Reverend Spith <cpts...@teleport.com> wrote in message
news:37130E...@teleport.com...
> rfbunting wrote:
> >
> > Which Is
> > THE
> > Way To God?
> >
> > Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
> > Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
> > Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
> > Mormonism Taoism Psychology
> > Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
> > Russellism Baptists Bahaism
> > Judaism Catholicism Adventism
> > Modernism Silva Davidianism
> > Christianity Science UFOs
> > New Age Drugs Moral Majority
> > Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
> >
> > JESUS said:
> >
> > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh unto
THE
> > Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>
> <<and a lot of other references to the same source>>
>
> So you're saying that every OTHER source that claims itself as the
> ultimate source of The Truth is wrong? Okay, then, how do you decide
> that your source is not wrong as well.
When we follow Jesus we are able to heal people. How many people did those
other people raise from the dead?
> I am continually amused with the inability of people to realize that
> PROVING the "truth" of the Bible by QUOTING the Bible is logically void,
> and means nothing to anybody who is asking for actual evidence (or
> rational thought)
> --
> -Reverend Spith
>
> "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
> -Oz
>
>
----What Would Jesus Do?
Mr. Stumper
A. O'Reilly <a...@bs.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.117d14edd...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net...
> In article <37127394...@earthlink.net>, rfbunting@earthlink-
> nospam.net enlightened us with...
> >
>
Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so you
dont goto hell.
----What Would Jesus Do?
Therion Ware
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
[snip]
>Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
>the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so you
>dont goto hell.
So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
- ----- ------
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
- attrib: Pauline Reage.
------ <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6671/entry/hell.html>
ICQ: 29168081
Frank Wustner
> > You obviously don't pay attention to what Christian groups spend
> > their money on. For example, over here at UCSB a year ago, the
> > school paper ran a local church's advertisement that specifically
> > said, though not in so many words, "Obey our morality rather than
> > your own or you will burn."
> So if they didnt use all those words, then you are adding your own words. So
> what did they really say?
They said, and I quote:
[panel 1] (picture of young man) See Dick take a walk on Sunday.
[panel 2] (picture of young man passing a near-by building) See
Dick not go to church.
[panel 3] (picture of young man lying on a bed) See Dick die.
[panel 4] (stylized picture of a lake of fire) See Dick burn and
be tortured for all eternity!!!!!
[panel 5] (picture of young woman) See Jane wear tight clothes.
[panel 6] (picture of young woman being whistled at by passing
frat guys) See Jane thinking that men shouldn't be judging her
by her body.
[panel 7] (picture of young woman lying on a bed) See Jane die.
[panel 8] (stylized picture of a lake of fire) See Jane burn and
be tortured for all eternity!!!!!
Bottom line (huge bold print): Don't be like Dick and Jane! Go
to church!
Yes, it was a comic strip, written in the style of the Dick-and-
Jane books. Pretty childish, actually. Now, tell me, what did
I add to that?
> > Yes. They purposefully annoy and insult us. They have no right
> > to expect any better from us.
> How were you insulted? If you come here you must expect to see a different
> viewpoint.
Perhaps you should have seen how this thread started. It was
begun by an atheist who honestly wanted to know why Christians
believed as they do. Different view points are just fine. But
it was NOT an invitation to preach a load of crap at us.
> > Do you always purposefully equivocate other people's words to
> > make it sound as if they are saying something they didn't say, or
> > are you feeling particularly dishonest today?
> I am just reading what they are saying.
You then gave their words a meaning that was clearly not intended.
> If a Christian would say something
> similar then a bunch of atheists would do the same.
Says the man who is busy generalizing an entire group based on his
own preconceived notions. Don't project your own weaknesses on us.
> Cant yall take yall own medicine?
Can't yall not be prejudiced against people who disagree with you?
Frank Wustner
> Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > It seems as though the shouting dude believes in the Bible because Paul
> > accurately predicted today's society. However, it doesn't take a genius to
> > figure out that children will be disresectful to their parents. It is human
> > nature, and it goes back well earlier than Paul. Why would their be a
> > commandment to "honor your mother and father" if it hadn't been needed by
> > the Israelites?
> > That is the one reason he gives for the correctness of the Bible.
> > Everything else he shouts so as to trick, scare, or fool people, so that
> > they can not see his numberous unsupported assertions. It is an
> > intimidation tactic and I don't care for it.
> Did you get scared reading it? Were you intimidated?
I can't speak for Danny, but I didn't. I'd bet that he didn't
either. What's your point?
> I did not get scared,
> and in no way did I feel intimidated
Of course you didn't. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at us.
Frank Wustner
> > > ----What Would Jesus Do?
> > For one, I doubt he'd buy a tee-shirt with "WWJD" printed on it and
> > claim it was a deep or meaningful statement.
> > dotcom, off...
> > yes, I am an atheist, and no, I don't want to hear about jeeezus
> > There is no god worth our worship.
> > Martin Schlottmann
> You dont know anything about him, as i dont know anything about you.
Excuse you? Dot doesn't know about who? Jesus? Martin Schlottman?
Just because you don't know anything about Dot? That doesn't follow.
> I would
> not be disrespectful to you out of courtesy.
You havn't done very well on that matter so far, as your next
statement demonstrates.
> Maybe now i should expect
> atheists not to have courtesy.
You make unwarrented generalizations like this against us no matter
what we say, and you claim you would not be disrespectful? You
already have been. Based on the rest of your posts, it seems to me
that you came here already convinced that all atheists everywhere
fit into your own narrow categorization.
Mr. Stumper
> "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > > It seems as though the shouting dude believes in the Bible because
Paul
> > > accurately predicted today's society. However, it doesn't take a
genius to
> > > figure out that children will be disresectful to their parents. It is
human
> > > nature, and it goes back well earlier than Paul. Why would their be a
> > > commandment to "honor your mother and father" if it hadn't been needed
by
> > > the Israelites?
>
> > > That is the one reason he gives for the correctness of the Bible.
> > > Everything else he shouts so as to trick, scare, or fool people, so
that
> > > they can not see his numberous unsupported assertions. It is an
> > > intimidation tactic and I don't care for it.
>
> > Did you get scared reading it? Were you intimidated?
>
> I can't speak for Danny, but I didn't. I'd bet that he didn't
> either. What's your point?
Well then how was Mr. Bunting intimidating? or scary?
>
> > I did not get scared,
> > and in no way did I feel intimidated
>
> Of course you didn't. It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at us.
>
> --
----What Would Jesus Do?
Mr. Stumper
Christopher A. Lee <chri...@netcom.com> wrote in message
news:chrisleeF...@netcom.com...
> >>
> >>
> >> > Is that the best you can do?
> >>
> >> Why should he bother doing any better for a mindless troll?
> >>
> >> > So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
> >>
> >> Who cares? The idiot was just preaching his nonsense to four
> >> different news groups, one of which (the one Danny is posting
> >> from, as it happens) preaching is completely OFF TOPIC.
> >>
> >man
> >> > says.
>
> religion to keep it to himself. Nor the intrelligence to realise that
> OUTSIDE HIS RELIGION he might just as well be telling us all about
> Santa Claus - BECAUSE THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE to non-Christians.
>
> AND BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOMEBODY ELSE'S RELIGIOUS BELIEF THAT NOBODY
> WOULD GHIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT, IF HE KEPT IT TO HIMSELF, THERE'S
> NOTHING TO REFUTE.
>
> >> that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
> >> rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
> >> (and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
> >
> >All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
> >attack the messenger.
>
> have something to tell us whether or not we're interested.
>
> If the "messenger" is an ignorant asshole then it's his own
> fault for being treated like one.
>
> >----What Would Jesus Do?
>
> And that's another example of your arrogant stupidity.
>
> What would Santa Claus do?
We dont know cause he hasnt walked the earth.
>
>
If you saw a man walking a path that led to a cliff would you not stop and
take a minute to tell him that the cliff was there?
----What Would Jesus Do? if you dont know you can read the Bible and find
out for yourself.
Mr. Stumper
Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
news:nuteshade-130...@pool-207-205-157-97.lsan.grid.net...
> "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
He was just telling you why to believe one religion over another.
>
> > > Do you always purposefully equivocate other people's words to
> > > make it sound as if they are saying something they didn't say, or
> > > are you feeling particularly dishonest today?
>
> > I am just reading what they are saying.
>
> You then gave their words a meaning that was clearly not intended.
>
> > If a Christian would say something
> > similar then a bunch of atheists would do the same.
>
> Says the man who is busy generalizing an entire group based on his
> own preconceived notions. Don't project your own weaknesses on us.
>
> > Cant yall take yall own medicine?
>
> Can't yall not be prejudiced against people who disagree with you?
>
> --
We are just doing the same thing you would do. If you saw a blind man
walking a path that led to a cliff would you not take a minute out your day
to tell the man that there was a cliff there?
Mr. Stumper
Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:46:58 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>
> [snip]
>
> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so
you
> >dont goto hell.
>
> So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
Yes
>
> - ----- ------
> "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
> - attrib: Pauline Reage.
> ------ <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6671/entry/hell.html>
> ICQ: 29168081
----What Would Jesus Do?
Christopher A. Lee
>
>Christopher A. Lee <chri...@netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:chrisleeF...@netcom.com...
>> >All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
>> >attack the messenger.
>>
>> And all you Christians are the same, you arrogantly think you
>> have something to tell us whether or not we're interested.
>>
>> If the "messenger" is an ignorant asshole then it's his own
>> fault for being treated like one.
>>
>> >----What Would Jesus Do?
>>
>> And that's another example of your arrogant stupidity.
>>
>> What would Santa Claus do?
>
>We dont know cause he hasnt walked the earth.
Actually he has - just as much as Jesus did. That's Jesus the man
who may or may not have existed, not the legendary superhero out
of Christian mythology.
>If you saw a man walking a path that led to a cliff would you not stop and
>take a minute to tell him that the cliff was there?
Dud, This cliff can be pointed out. Why do so many Christians argue
by bad analogy? Is it because they themselves find analogy convincing
when it's in the form of parable?
And why do they expect the very consideration they refuse to show
others?
We know what you believe, and until you demontrate that ist's more
than just a belief, then that's all it is because you refuse to
demonstrate that this invisible cliff actually exists and is a
danger. Yet you expect special consideration because you sincerely
believe in this invisible cliff.
>----What Would Jesus Do? if you dont know you can read the Bible and find
>out for yourself.
What's the bible got to do with anything? WE DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK
ABOUT JESUS BECAUSE UNTIL YOU DEMONSTRATE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST A FIGMENT
OF YOUR DELUDED IMAGINATION. Because both Jesus and the bible jare just
irrelevencies out of somebody else's religion.
But then you know that.
Melena
<gsu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>Since when is beating up trolls on usenet considered a sign of some kind
>>of intellectual dick-envy?
>
>Why even bother beating up trollers?
>
<big snip>
>
>Semper Fidelis,
>Galen
>
Hey Galen,
How's the commission coming? And school? See you've left Prodigy.
Are you still in Florida? (I think I remember correctly).
`~`~`~`~`~
Maria Elena
a.a. #1271
Half of the people are mistaking the image for the final fact, these
people we call theologians. The other half of the world knows they
are not facts and these people we call atheists.
Joseph Campbell, "Myth and Metaphor in Society"
=Ray=
<
<Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
<news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
<> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:46:58 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
<> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
<>
<> [snip]
<>
<> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
<> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so
<you
<> >dont goto hell.
<>
<> So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
<
<Yes
No, he will die and be dead for the rest of eternity.
=Ray=
=Ray=
<How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
<What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
<betting your life on this.
<
<Wondering,
<
<D. Haas
This is an excellent question, and is not one that ought to be taken
lightly. Before I answer this, I need to do some research, but as soon as
I can, I will post my response. It shouldn't take more than a day.
(hopefully)
=Ray=
raven1
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>----What Would Jesus Do?
What would Scooby Doo?
Your documented evidence for this, published in peer-reviewed journals
would be...?
Seriously, to paraphrase Carl Sagan, perform a simple operation on a
child with a ruptured spleen, and she's better, take her to a faith
healer instead, and she's dead within a day. If faith healing really
has any validity beyond the placebo effect, then why do we never hear
about regenerated limbs or the like? It's always something subjective
and unverifiable.
>How many people did those
>other people raise from the dead?
None, just like Jesus. Why should we grant the myths and legends of
the Bible any more validity than you would grant to the miracles of
Krishna, etc. ?
>----What Would Jesus Do?
Nothing. He's dead. Get over it.
--
All Hail Fondle the Elephant! (Official mascot of THE KIND)
Our debut CD-Single, "Rubber Girl" is now available! (Also featuring "Undertow" and "The Road"). Look for our long-awaited full-length CD "You're Soaking In It" in March! E-mail us for details and upcoming shows!
raven1
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
>> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:46:58 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
>> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
>> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so
>you
>> >dont goto hell.
>>
>> So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
>
>Yes
Why would you worship a being who would allow any of his creations to
suffer for eternity, regardless of the reason? That's evil.
hrgr...@my-dejanews.com
"Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
> > 37127394...@earthlink.net...
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Quit shouting, asshole.
> >
> >
> > >unto THE
> > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ----
> > Danny Mac
> > #1516
> >
> >
> >
>
> says.
>
What would Kung-fu-tse do ?
>
RfBunting posted his "arguments" to a NG and obviously expected that
completely circular arguments (quoting the Bible to show that the Bible is
true) and ridiculous non-sequiturs would convince the readers. To expect this
result *is* insulting: it states in effect that the (potential) readers are
low-grade morons, in the opinion of the poster.
HRG.
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
B
says...
But is the cliff there in reality, or just in your mind?
Therion Ware
>
>Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
>> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:46:58 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
>> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
>> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so
>you
>> >dont goto hell.
>>
>> So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
>
>Yes
And you agree with this?
- ----- ------
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
- attrib: Pauline Reage.
------ <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6671/entry/hell.html>
ICQ: 29168081
---
See Therion Play With His Pussy!
<http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6671/cdis/pussy.mpg>
A. O'Reilly
da_rag...@yahoo.com enlightened us with...
>
> Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
> the light.
So, in order to see the light, I must make contradictory statements? By
the way, go back and read his post, apparently my eyes have been made
blind so I wouldn't see the light no matter how much I read the post.
You've just contradicted him. But I expect nothing less...
> I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so you
> dont goto hell.
OK, as soon as you provide one iota of proof that said god/savior exists
and is a deity. Until then, you're just as looney as the Heaven's Gate
group, Branch Davidians, etc.
I've noticed you don't ever try to present proof -- all you do is condemn
an atheist for name calling, then make a sweeping generalization about
all atheists, and then sign off.
If you will admit that you believe without evidence, we'll end it there.
Otherwise, what is your evidence?
> ----What Would Jesus Do?
He'd probably be disgusted by the blatant commercialization of
Christianity represented by the trendy WWJD bracelets.
--
A. O'Reilly Atheist #1153
==============================================
I feel my body weakened by the years,
As people turn to gods of cruel design.
Is it that they fear the pain of death?
Or could it be they fear the joy of life?
maff91
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>----What Would Jesus Do?
Stone you to death for bearing false witness?
[snip]
Aaron
<>snip bleating & refutation of same<>
More bleating:
> If you saw a man walking a path that led to a cliff would you not stop and
> take a minute to tell him that the cliff was there?
Nope.
If the stupid git was you, I'd probably push him over the edge.
If he was some random stranger, I would _assume_ that he'd be able to
the edge before going over it. If he's too stupid to, it's not _MY_
fuckin' responsibility.
> ----What Would Jesus Do? if you dont know you can read the Bible and find
> out for yourself.
Who gives a christian-maggot-covered _shit_ what Jeezus would do? Why
do you think ANY of us in alt.atheism even _care_?
Are you trying to earn GoodGuyPoints by bleating out your god-spew
here? Listen up, you putrid waste of skin: we aren't interested in
your god-vomit, your views on life, your attitude, your self-delusions
or YOU, so take your moldy, polcat-smelling, microcephalic carcass
_elswhere_.
--
Aaron I. Spielman |Atheist #1467| "The good die young - because they
aa...@rockethouse.net |Cussard #.357| see it's no use living if you've
www.rockethouse.net |BAAWA Knight!| got to be good."
Official Lunatic Biker of the EAC | ---John Barrymore
=Ray=
<On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:41:12 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
<<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<
<>
<>Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
<>news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
<>> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:46:58 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
<>> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
<>>
<>> [snip]
<>>
<>> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
<>> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so
<>you
<>> >dont goto hell.
<>>
<>> So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
<>
<>Yes
<
<Why would you worship a being who would allow any of his creations to
<suffer for eternity, regardless of the reason? That's evil.
It is evil. And that is exactly why it doesn't make sense to believe it...
the only reason anyone does, is not because they read it, but because
tradition handed it down to them. Hell is an event, not a place.
=Ray=
Michelle Malkin
>
>A. O'Reilly <a...@bs.net> wrote in message
>news:MPG.117d14edd...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net...
>> In article <37127394...@earthlink.net>, rfbunting@earthlink-
>> nospam.net enlightened us with...
>> >
>> > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>>
>Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
>the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so you
>dont goto hell.
Again with the threats. When will you fundies ever learn that you get more
bees with honey? Threats drive people away.
>
>
>
>----What Would Jesus Do?
The final scene in "The Monkey's Paw"?
>
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wrote:
>
>Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
>news:nuteshade-120...@pool-207-205-157-85.lsan.grid.net...
>> "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> > > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
>> > > >unto THE
>> > > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>> > > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>>
>> > > Quit shouting, asshole.
>>
>> > Is that the best you can do?
>>
>> Why should he bother doing any better for a mindless troll?
>>
>> > So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
>>
>> Who cares? The idiot was just preaching his nonsense to four
>> different news groups, one of which (the one Danny is posting
>> from, as it happens) preaching is completely OFF TOPIC.
>>
>> > Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the
>man
>> > says.
>>
>> Because the stupid shit-for-brains doesn't deserve respect,
>> that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
>> rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
>> (and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
>>
>>
>
>All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
>attack the messenger.
You haven't given any evidence to back up your message. That's why you get
such a bad reaction. Baseless assertions don't go over very well in
alt.atheism. And, proselytizing is against the alt.atheism newsgroup
charter and FAQ.
>
>
>
>----What Would Jesus Do?
Nothing. He isn't only merely dead. He's really quite sincerely dead.
Danny Mac
Mr. Stumper <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> Mr. Stumper <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> 7eul52$g27$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
>> >
>> >Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
>> >>
>> >> rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >> 37127394...@earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> Quit shouting, asshole.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >unto THE
>> >> >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>> >> >
>> >> > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> ----
>> >> Danny Mac
>> >> #1516
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
man
>> >says.
>> >
>>
>> accurately predicted today's society. However, it doesn't take a genius
>to
>> figure out that children will be disresectful to their parents. It is
>human
>> nature, and it goes back well earlier than Paul. Why would their be a
>> commandment to "honor your mother and father" if it hadn't been needed by
>> the Israelites?
>>
>> That is the one reason he gives for the correctness of the Bible.
>> Everything else he shouts so as to trick, scare, or fool people, so that
>> they can not see his numberous unsupported assertions. It is an
>> intimidation tactic and I don't care for it.
>
>and in no way did I feel intimidated
>
Personally, no. However, if you know the least bit about USENET, then you
realize that typing in CAPS is considered SHOUTING.
I suppose if you make enough UNSUPPORTED assertions, OVER and OVER again, I
suppose that somebody without my intellectual discernment might FALL for it.
The INVISIBLE PINK UNICORN is GOD, and if you don't believe it, you will,
when you are STOMPED upon by her holy HOOVES!
Question: did you notice any similarity in the tone of my last sentence and
the tone of shouting dude's post?
Why is what I said about the IPU any less believable than the Jeezus spiel?
The answer is our culture. Get over it.
----
Danny Mac
#1516
Danny Mac
>----What Would Jesus Do?
>
>
>
>
>Davidson <davi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:3712E0...@worldnet.att.net...
>> Mr. Stumper wrote:
>> >
>> > ----What Would Jesus Do?
>> >
>> > news:3712C7...@worldnet.att.net...
>> > > Galen Surlak-Ramsey wrote:
<snip>
>
>so you all atheists follow your own thoughts?
>
>No the Bible gives guidance to all who read it and understand it.
>
Which is another can of worms for the xian religion. Because the bible is
so daggone cryptic that people interpret it to suit whatever bias they
please. How do you know that your interpretation is correct?
Wait, I already know the standard answer to this question: judging the good
and evil by the quality of their fruit...fruit of Jesus is love...etc.
But *I* am here to tell you that you do not have to have a super-sky-daddy
to be a good person, nor to be good to others, nor to contribute to the
alleviation of suffering, nor any other noble cause. You do the right thing
becaue you want to do the right thing, end of story.
If you do the right thing only because you want a reward from your
sky-daddy, it really isn't altruistic, is it? No, that's the definition of
selfishness.
I'd really like to hear what you think of that last sentence in particular.
----
Danny Mac
#1516
Danny Mac
=Ray= <rv...@lennon.csufresno.edu> wrote in message
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>On Tue, 13 Apr 1999, Mr. Stumper wrote:
>
><
><Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
><news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
><> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
><>
><> [snip]
><>
><> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would
see
><> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die,
so
><you
><> >dont goto hell.
><>
><
><Yes
>
>
But his thoughts might go on to influence others, even if only in his own
family. His body will go into the ground to push up the pretty flowers.
Which is more than good enough for me.
----
Danny Mac
#1516
Frank Wustner
> Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote:
> > "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > > > That is the one reason he gives for the correctness of the Bible.
> > > > Everything else he shouts so as to trick, scare, or fool people, so that
> > > > they can not see his numberous unsupported assertions. It is an
> > > > intimidation tactic and I don't care for it.
> > > Did you get scared reading it? Were you intimidated?
> > I can't speak for Danny, but I didn't. I'd bet that he didn't
> > either. What's your point?
> Well then how was Mr. Bunting intimidating? or scary?
If you would care to reread the relevant part of Danny's posting,
which I left in above just for that purpose, you might notice that he
did *not* say Bunting's post was intimidating. He said that it was
an intimidation *tactic*. In other words, Bunting's aim was to trick
or scare us. He failed to reach that goal (in my case, anyway; as I
said, I can't speak for Danny).
Frank Wustner
> Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote:
> > "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > So if they didnt use all those words, then you are adding your own words.
> > > So what did they really say?
> > They said, and I quote:
> > [panel 1] (picture of young man) See Dick take a walk on Sunday.
> > [panel 2] (picture of young man passing a near-by building) See
> > Dick not go to church.
> > [panel 3] (picture of young man lying on a bed) See Dick die.
> > [panel 4] (stylized picture of a lake of fire) See Dick burn and
> > be tortured for all eternity!!!!!
> > [panel 5] (picture of young woman) See Jane wear tight clothes.
> > [panel 6] (picture of young woman being whistled at by passing
> > frat guys) See Jane thinking that men shouldn't be judging her
> > by her body.
> > [panel 7] (picture of young woman lying on a bed) See Jane die.
> > [panel 8] (stylized picture of a lake of fire) See Jane burn and
> > be tortured for all eternity!!!!!
> > Bottom line (huge bold print): Don't be like Dick and Jane! Go
> > to church!
> > Yes, it was a comic strip, written in the style of the Dick-and-
> > Jane books. Pretty childish, actually. Now, tell me, what did
> > I add to that?
Exactly. I didn't add anything at all. In fact, I left some out.
> > > How were you insulted? If you come here you must expect to see a
> > > different viewpoint.
> > Perhaps you should have seen how this thread started. It was
> > begun by an atheist who honestly wanted to know why Christians
> > believed as they do. Different view points are just fine. But
> > it was NOT an invitation to preach a load of crap at us.
> He was just telling you why to believe one religion over another.
Which was *not* what was asked for. What was asked was why
christians believed, not why they think we should.
(snip)
> We are just doing the same thing you would do. If you saw a blind man
> walking a path that led to a cliff would you not take a minute out your day
> to tell the man that there was a cliff there?
Only if the cliff was actually there. If it wasn't, I certainly
wouldn't tell him that it was; that would be a rather cruel prank.
Aaron
<gsu...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >I just love the way you fundy christers try to frighten people into
> >believing in your mythology. Guess what, little man. Most of us have grown
> >past the point of needing fairy tales as psychological support.
> >
> >Grow up. Face reality.
> >
> >Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
>
>
> I was just wondering (going from a psychological standpoint) why if you are
> so "secure" in your beliefs, that you feel the need to bolster your
> confidence by convincing yourself through childish name calling and telling
> that other's beliefs are fairy tales. He gave an honest, mature answer, and
> despite whether he is right or not, mudslinging does little to aid a serious
> conversation. Psychological research has proven that one of the biggest
> defense mechanisms is denial of the truth (or the possibility there of,
> depending on how you want to apply it to this case) and open verbal
> abuse/bashing. If you are so confident, why do the beliefs of others
> threaten you to the point of trashing?
>
> Semper Fidelis,
> Galen
Man, it sure does stink here all of a sudden.
What!?
Gollum Shitsack-Ram_me is back?!
How the FUCK did you escape from my killfile, you diseased slug? Get your
skanky, wannabe-a-jarhead, toilet-diving ass _back_ into the killfile.
<plonk>
dotcom
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
<stuff snipped>
> We are just doing the same thing you would do. If you saw a blind man
> walking a path that led to a cliff would you not take a minute out your day
> to tell the man that there was a cliff there?
However, I can see a cliff. I can even prove the existence of a cliff to a
blind man. You, on the other hand, can not prove the existence of hell. If
you saw someone trumpeting lies to all and sundry, would you not take time
to show that he lied? Oh, wait, you're a christian. Disregard the last.
dotcom, off...
yes, I am an atheist, and no, I don't want to hear about jeeezus
There is no god worth our worship.
Martin Schlottmann
dotcom
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ----What Would Jesus Do?
>
>
>
>
> Reverend Spith <cpts...@teleport.com> wrote in message
> news:37130E...@teleport.com...
>> rfbunting wrote:
>> >
>> > Which Is
>> > THE
>> > Way To God?
>> >
>> > Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
>> > Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
>> > Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
>> > Mormonism Taoism Psychology
>> > Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
>> > Russellism Baptists Bahaism
>> > Judaism Catholicism Adventism
>> > Modernism Silva Davidianism
>> > Christianity Science UFOs
>> > New Age Drugs Moral Majority
>> > Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
>> >
>> > JESUS said:
>> >
>> > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh unto
> THE
>> > Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>>
>> <<and a lot of other references to the same source>>
>>
>> So you're saying that every OTHER source that claims itself as the
>> ultimate source of The Truth is wrong? Okay, then, how do you decide
>> that your source is not wrong as well.
>
> When we follow Jesus we are able to heal people. How many people did those
> other people raise from the dead?
How many people have you healed? How many people have you risen from the
dead?
>> I am continually amused with the inability of people to realize that
>> PROVING the "truth" of the Bible by QUOTING the Bible is logically void,
>> and means nothing to anybody who is asking for actual evidence (or
>> rational thought)
>> --
>> -Reverend Spith
>>
>> "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"
>> -Oz
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ----What Would Jesus Do?
>
>
dotcom
(raven1) wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:41:12 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>>news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:46:58 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
>>> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
>>> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so
>>you
>>> >dont goto hell.
>>>
>>> So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
>>
>>Yes
>
> Why would you worship a being who would allow any of his creations to
> suffer for eternity, regardless of the reason? That's evil.
What's that christer phrase? "By their fruits you shall know them?"
Something like that, isn't it? Can we consider the christers the fruits of
god and his religion? Looking at the unsavory types shouting god's praises,
we see that god is not that appealing, either.
"You're going to burn in hell, and it is righteous and good and holy, cause
god sez so." That's some pretty bitter fruit.
David Foster
never be right... reason: you can never consider any truth which is not
accepted by your group.
Dave Haas <dh...@uncfsu.campuscwix.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.117c2c906...@news.campuscwix.net...
J. Michael Phillips
Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message news:nuteshade-130...@pool-207-205-157-97.lsan.grid.net...
***snipped description of comic strip***
> Yes, it was a comic strip, written in the style of the Dick-and-
> Jane books. Pretty childish, actually. Now, tell me, what did
> I add to that?
I can't see that you've added anything to that. On the other hand, I can't imagine anyone being offended by it either. I would assume by the childishness of the sentiment and style of the comic that I would be considered one of the "wrong crowd" by the author, and I just think it's pitiably funny (gee, I love being called a "warped" Christian by fundamentalists who don't have a clue what i believe). Seriously, why would you be offended by something that amateurishly done?
>
> > > Yes. They purposefully annoy and insult us. They have no right
> > > to expect any better from us.
>
> > How were you insulted? If you come here you must expect to see a different
> > viewpoint.
>
> Perhaps you should have seen how this thread started. It was
> begun by an atheist who honestly wanted to know why Christians
> believed as they do. Different view points are just fine. But
> it was NOT an invitation to preach a load of crap at us.
Where we all get into trouble (IMHO) is on that rare occasion when an atheist asks honestly, and someone like me answers honestly, there's also a host of people who do preach, and the atheist gets so tired of the preaching that he gets angry and starts flaming the "preacher." The problem is that the anger, and the flaming slips off the Christian ***PREACHING*** and onto the ***CHRISTIAN*** who's not really preaching, but just talking, and explaining
***snip***
>
> > If a Christian would say something
> > similar then a bunch of atheists would do the same.
>
> Says the man who is busy generalizing an entire group based on his
> own preconceived notions. Don't project your own weaknesses on us.
I guess we're all a bunch of pots and kettles . . . :)
>
> > Cant yall take yall own medicine?
>
> Can't yall not be prejudiced against people who disagree with you?
I'm not convinced that anyone can . . . really . . . "How could any rational person POSSIBLY not see things the way that I see them" . . . isn't that pretty much how we each think of it? :)
>
>
J. Michael Phillips
B <mcb...@erols.com> wrote in message news:7evucu$k1n$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net...
***snip***
BTW - it's not a bad idea to go ahead and snip the 85 lines of stuff you're NOT responding to, and just leave the 3 you ARE responding to . . .
> >
> >We are just doing the same thing you would do. If you saw a blind man
> >walking a path that led to a cliff would you not take a minute out your day
> >to tell the man that there was a cliff there?
>
> But is the cliff there in reality, or just in your mind?
He obviously believes that the "cliff" in question is real . . .
>
rfbunting
college and offered to convert if they could prove themselves
correct. They could not. I have been to Mass and have studied
Catholicism (not enough to be a priest). I have dealt with
Jehovah Witnesses. I have studied Masonry. I have sat in a
Hebrew synagogue while the Rabbi sought to prove Christianity
false. I actually practiced Buddhism awhile before I became a
Christian and once believed that we were offspring of aliens.
I've looked into the New Age and other Eastern thangs. They all
come up tremendously short. If Jesus Christ fails then
everything fails for me and mankind. Orthodox Judaism is the only
other option and Christianity is really the fulfillment of that.
While there are things in many other faiths that I respect and
even concur with, the only full answer is Christ. Others may even
score as high as 95%, but God demand 100% so they fall short. I
respect the holders of the other faiths and would do them no
harm, but I cannot in good conscience placate them for the sake
of political correctness and saythey are just another path to the
same destination. That would not only be untrue, but dangerous
for them. I care for them more than that.
--
God Save The South!
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http://www.breakthechain.org/nccip
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rfbunting
J. Michael Phillips
Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:7f0l8a$5db$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
***snip***
> >so you all atheists follow your own thoughts?
> >No the Bible gives guidance to all who read it and understand it.
> Which is another can of worms for the xian religion. Because the bible is
> so daggone cryptic that people interpret it to suit whatever bias they
> please. How do you know that your interpretation is correct?
"We" can, and unfortunately many do. Now on to your question: how can we know that "our" interpretation is correct?
Well, if we are honest with ourselves, we *KNOW* that our interpretation is INcorrect. The problem is that we also know that our interpretation is MOSTLY correct, it is incorrect in some ways - but what ways? We don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater! That's why we keep checking the Bible - to see where we're right, and where our paradigm needs a little adjusting. There are certain things that we can figure out pretty definitively in a pretty short time, other things take more time. Some things take a lifetime to figure out. If we're honest with ourselves, we ought to admit that even after a lifetime, there are some things we *still* won't have figured out. But that's not a very good reason to stop trying . . .
>
> Wait, I already know the standard answer to this question: judging the good
> and evil by the quality of their fruit...fruit of Jesus is love...etc.
Well, that's certainly part of it - but that can be deceptive . . . for a long time . . .
>
> But *I* am here to tell you that you do not have to have a super-sky-daddy
> to be a good person, nor to be good to others, nor to contribute to the
> alleviation of suffering, nor any other noble cause.
You are absolutely, 100% correct.
>You do the right thing
> becaue you want to do the right thing, end of story.
Well, one would HOPE that everyone would agree with this . . .
>
> If you do the right thing only because you want a reward from your
> sky-daddy, it really isn't altruistic, is it?
Nope - that's not altruism at all.
>No, that's the definition of
> selfishness.
Hmmm . . . checked the dictionary . . . that's not one of the definitions written in my copy . . . what edition are you reading? LOL
>
> I'd really like to hear what you think of that last sentence in particular.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I would have to agree with your last (well, actually penultimate) sentence.
> Danny Mac
> #1516
Pat Preece
dotcom wrote:
> In article <7eul52$g27$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Mr. Stumper
> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
> > > 37127394...@earthlink.net...
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Quit shouting, asshole.
> > >
> > >
> > > > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
> > > >unto THE
> > > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> > > >
> > > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> > > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > ----
> > > Danny Mac
> > > #1516
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Is that the best you can do?
> > So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
> > Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the man
> > says.
>
> Respect must be earned.
>
> > ----What Would Jesus Do?
>
> For one, I doubt he'd buy a tee-shirt with "WWJD" printed on it and
> claim it was a deep or meaningful statement.
J. Michael Phillips
Reverend Spith <cpts...@teleport.com> wrote in message news:37130E...@teleport.com...
> rfbunting wrote:
> >
> > Which Is
> > THE
> > Way To God?
> >
> > Mohammed Hare Krishna "Living Right"
> > Confucious Rev Ike Rev Moon
> > Shintoism The Occult Hinduism
> > Mormonism Taoism Psychology
> > Zen Yoga Tai Chi Modernism
> > Russellism Baptists Bahaism
> > Judaism Catholicism Adventism
> > Modernism Silva Davidianism
> > Christianity Science UFOs
> > New Age Drugs Moral Majority
> > Rev Hinn Islam The Ten Commandments
> >
> > JESUS said:
> >
> > Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>
>
> So you're saying that every OTHER source that claims itself as the
> ultimate source of The Truth is wrong? Okay, then, how do you decide
> that your source is not wrong as well.
Are you saying that there are just too many, and deciding who's right is too much work?
***snip***
Jessica M. Wolfman
wrote:
>
>Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:7ev6li$og2$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>
>> Mr. Stumper <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> 7eul52$g27$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
>> >
>> >Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
>> >>
>> >> rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >> 37127394...@earthlink.net...
>> >>
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> Quit shouting, asshole.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > "I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life; no man cometh
>> >> >unto THE
>> >> >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
>> >> >
>> >> > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
>> >> >
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> ----
>> >> Danny Mac
>> >> #1516
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Is that the best you can do?
>> >So you think he is right? if not then where is he wrong?
>> >Why not show a little respect if you can not refute anything that the man
>> >says.
>> >
>>
>> It seems as though the shouting dude believes in the Bible because Paul
>> accurately predicted today's society. However, it doesn't take a genius
>to
>> figure out that children will be disresectful to their parents. It is
>human
>> nature, and it goes back well earlier than Paul. Why would their be a
>> commandment to "honor your mother and father" if it hadn't been needed by
>> the Israelites?
>>
>> That is the one reason he gives for the correctness of the Bible.
>> Everything else he shouts so as to trick, scare, or fool people, so that
>> they can not see his numberous unsupported assertions. It is an
>> intimidation tactic and I don't care for it.
>
>Did you get scared reading it? Were you intimidated? I did not get scared,
>and in no way did I feel intimidated
Danny says it was intended for that purpose, not that it suceeded.
>> Next?
>>
>> ----
>> Danny Mac
>> #1516
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----What Would Jesus Do?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
>----What Would Jesus Do?
>
>
Jessica Wolfman
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Jessica M. Wolfman
wrote:
>
>Therion Ware <tw...@geocities.com> wrote in message
>news:371e5914...@news.webs.co.uk...
>> On Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:46:58 -0500, "Mr. Stumper"
>> <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> >Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
>> >the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so
>you
>> >dont goto hell.
>>
>> So, if he doesn't accept Jesus, he'll suffer for the rest of eternity?
>
>Yes
Why is that acceptable to you?
>> - ----- ------
>> "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
>> - attrib: Pauline Reage.
>> ------ <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/6671/entry/hell.html>
>> ICQ: 29168081
>
>
>
Michelle Malkin
wrote:
>
>Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
>news:nuteshade-120...@pool-207-205-157-85.lsan.grid.net...
>> "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Davidson <davi...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> > > So this must explain why Christers spend big bucks on TV programs
>> > > telling themselves that everyone but their own variety of cult
>> > > is going to burn for eternity.
>>
>> > They do not pay big bucks to tell people that they will burn in hell...
>They
>> > are trying to show people the way to Heaven.
>>
>> You obviously don't pay attention to what Christian groups spend
>> their money on. For example, over here at UCSB a year ago, the
>> school paper ran a local church's advertisement that specifically
>> said, though not in so many words, "Obey our morality rather than
>> your own or you will burn."
>
>So if they didnt use all those words, then you are adding your own words. So
>what did they really say?
>
>>
>> > > Atheists just insult people coming in here asking for it.
>>
>> > So that makes it right?
>>
>> Yes. They purposefully annoy and insult us. They have no right
>> to expect any better from us.
>
>How were you insulted? If you come here you must expect to see a different
>viewpoint.
>
>>
>> > if someone asks you to kill him, then you would not
>> > hesitate to put a bullet in his head.
>>
>> Do you always purposefully equivocate other people's words to
>> make it sound as if they are saying something they didn't say, or
>> are you feeling particularly dishonest today?
>
>I am just reading what they are saying. If a Christian would say something
>similar then a bunch of atheists would do the same. Cant yall take yall own
>medicine?
You're starting to sound like nameless. He's been pretty quiet for awhile.
It should be about time for him to return using a new name.
>
>
>----What Would Jesus Do?
Not a thing. He croaked 2,000 years ago, if he ever existed at all.
Landis D. Ragon
Interesting... I was thinking the same thing.
Different ISP, different name, but same nameless style,
Landis D. Ragon
Chief Elf in the toy factory...
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom
denied, chains us all, irrevocably."
=Ray=
<How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
<What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
<betting your life on this.
Preface:
To answer this question, it is necessary to realize that we must have a
starting point. We must have a basis on which we build our beliefs. For
some, this may be the Bible ("sola scriptura"), and for others it may be
science. When speaking to those who base their beliefs in the Bible, we
must use the Bible to direct them. If they believe only science, then we
must use science to persuade them. This is what I have attempted to do. I
have posted concerning Evolution and Creation [1] from a scientific
standpoint (from which I have not received a response) and now I intend to
answer the nagging question of assurance more from a Christian perspective
(at a later date, I may post on this issue from a scientific angle).
Sola Scriptura (Solely Scripture):
Let it be known that this is only a very brief study.
All verses are quoted from the New King James Version of the Bible.
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with
the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the
testimony of Jesus Christ" [Rev. 12:17]
We read in Rev. 20:2 that the dragon is the devil and from Eph. 5:22-27,
we read that the woman is God's church. Therefore, from the verse shown
above, we are told that the devil went to make war with the church that
keeps the commandments of God and has the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 19:10 tells us that "...the testimony of Jesus Christ is the
spirit of prophecy." Therefore, the church described must have the spirit
of prophecy, that is, it must have a prophet who leads the people to God
(contact me for Biblical references on testing whether a prophet is true).
Note, however, that this church keeps the commandments of God. This means
it abides by the Ten commandments as given from Mount Sinai [2] not those
given by man [3]. As given on Sinai, the fourth commandment is to
"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy". It is widely accepted that
the Sabbath day is Saturday, but the Catholic Church has decided that we
should observe Sunday, not Saturday. To keep the commandments of God would
be to keep Saturday (the Sabbath), yet most churches acknowledge the
supremacy of the Catholic Church by keeping Sunday.
In this way, we can use the Bible to lead us to what it would consider the
true church, or the true doctrine. We must find a church which keeps the
commandments of God (most notably, the Sabbath), and has the spirit of
prophecy (a prophet directing the followers to God). This is fulfilled in
only one denomination.
What does the Catholic Church say?
The chancellor to Cardinal Gibbons wrote in response to a question about
changing the sabbath: "Of course the Catholic Church claims that the
change was her act. It could not have been otherwise as none in those days
would have dreamed of doing anything in matters spiritual and
ecclesiastical and religious without her. And the act is a mark of her
ecclesiastical authority in religious things." [4]
Note that the change from Saturday to Sunday is their claim to authority.
If you keep Sunday, you acknowledge that authority.
"By what authority did the church change the observance of the Sabbath
from Saturday to Sunday?
The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the
divine infallible authority given to her by her Founder, Jesus Christ. The
Protestant, claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no
warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh Day Adventist is
the only consistent Protestant." [5]
Here it is made brutally plain. There is nowhere in the Bible that gives a
"warrant for observing Sunday." And the name of a denomination is given by
the Catholic Church to be the only consistent Protestant community;
consistent in that it does not protest against the authority of the church
while at the same time adhering to its commandments. This denomination
keeps the commandments of God and is therefore Protestant to the full
extent of the meaning. Not only that, but this church also has the spirit
of prophecy.
Conclusion:
If you wish to build your beliefs strictly from the Bible, even the
Catholic Church acknowledges that the Seventh-Day Adventist Church is the
only denomination which is truly based solely on the Bible. Any other
denomination that claims to be based solely on the Bible is inconsistent,
taking from both man's doctrine, and the doctrine of the Bible. If,
however, you want to submit to the authority of the Roman Church, then
that church is where you belong. Therefore, depending on which you hold
supreme -- the Bible, the Pope, Science, or leaders of other religions --
you will inevitably come to different conclusions as to which is the
correct doctrine.
In my post on Evolution and Creation [1], I gave scientific support for
the Biblical world-wide flood. There are many new archeological findings
that have been verifying stories which were otherwise unknown except from
the Bible (contact me for references), and this is one reason why I
believe the principles taught in the Bible are worthy of our study. I may
later post more details on this.
References:
[1] Apr 8, "Evln vs. Crtn: A scientific approach" posted on
a.bsu.religion and alt.abortion
[2] Exodus 20:3-17
[3] http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/part3_2.html
[4] Letter, November 11, 1895, from C.F. Thomas
[5] The Question Box of "The Catholic Universe Bulletin", August 14, 1942
(the official newspaper of the Cleveland diocese)
=Ray=
dotcom
>
> Frank Wustner <nute...@mundsprung.com> wrote in message
> news:nuteshade-120...@pool-207-205-157-85.lsan.grid.net...
> > "Mr. Stumper" <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > >unto THE
> > > > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> > > > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> >
> >
> > > Is that the best you can do?
> >
> >
> >
> > different news groups, one of which (the one Danny is posting
> > from, as it happens) preaching is completely OFF TOPIC.
> >
> man
> > > says.
> >
> > that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
> > rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
> > (and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
> >
> >
>
> All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
> attack the messenger.
We're not really people to you, are we? "All you atheists are the same"
is in no way different than "All
blacks/whites/jews/indians/gays/whatever are all the same". Slap a label
on someone, and you don't have to *think* about them anymore. Shall I
say "All you christians are the same"? You should probably like it if I
did, because then you could point at it and spout off some of your
christer crap about how us atheists are too stupid to tell any of you apart.
Well, guess what, jack. I know that there are more than one kind of
christian. There are the kind, caring, decent christians who don't judge
others on the basis of which flavor of religion someone follows. Then
there are the narrow-minded, bigotted hate-mongers like you. You know,
the ones who insist on posting to alt.atheism with the "all atheists are
going to burn in hell" nonsense.
dotcom
>
> dotcom <dot...@navix.net> wrote in message
> news:130419990149589343%dot...@navix.net...
> > In article <7eul52$g27$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Mr. Stumper
> > <da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Danny Mac <d.m.mclea...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:7eu3ru$r0b$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net...
> > > >
> > > > rfbunting <rfbu...@earthlink-nospam.net> wrote in message
> > > > 37127394...@earthlink.net...
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > Quit shouting, asshole.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >unto THE
> > > > >Father, but by Me." John 14:6 (KJV)
> > > > >
> > > > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----
> > > > Danny Mac
> > > > #1516
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> man
> > > says.
> >
> >
> > > ----What Would Jesus Do?
> >
> > For one, I doubt he'd buy a tee-shirt with "WWJD" printed on it and
> > claim it was a deep or meaningful statement.
> >
> > yes, I am an atheist, and no, I don't want to hear about jeeezus
> >
> > There is no god worth our worship.
> > Martin Schlottmann
>
> not be disrespectful to you out of courtesy. Maybe now i should expect
> atheists not to have courtesy.
Having read the bible (you *have* read the bible, haven't you?) do you
really think that jesus would buy a tee-shirt on the basis of some
message printed on it? And maybe now I should expect you to act like
most christers-superficially polite until they realize that here in
alt.atheism we don't *want* to hear about your god, and suddenly the
respect and politeness starts unravelling at speed. Wasn't there
something about turning the other cheek, and answering curses with
smiles, or something like that? Of course, if you don't feel like
responding like that, don't worry. We don't really expect christians to
act like christ would want.
dotcom
>
> Christopher A. Lee <chri...@netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:chrisleeF...@netcom.com...
> > In article <7evinn$nnk$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> "Mr. Stumper"> > >> > > Quit shouting, asshole.
> > >>
> > >> > Is that the best you can do?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> different news groups, one of which (the one Danny is posting
> > >> from, as it happens) preaching is completely OFF TOPIC.
> > >>
> > >man
> > >> > says.
> >
> > religion to keep it to himself. Nor the intrelligence to realise that
> > OUTSIDE HIS RELIGION he might just as well be telling us all about
> > Santa Claus - BECAUSE THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE to non-Christians.
> >
> > AND BECAUSE IT'S JUST SOMEBODY ELSE'S RELIGIOUS BELIEF THAT NOBODY
> > WOULD GHIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT, IF HE KEPT IT TO HIMSELF, THERE'S
> > NOTHING TO REFUTE.
> >
> > >> Because the stupid shit-for-brains doesn't deserve respect,
> > >> that's why. We give respect to people who deserve it.
> > >> rfbunting is not such a person, because he/she/it blatantly
> > >> (and probably purposefully) violated our charter.
> > >
> > >All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
> > >attack the messenger.
> >
> > have something to tell us whether or not we're interested.
> >
> > If the "messenger" is an ignorant asshole then it's his own
> > fault for being treated like one.
> >
> > >----What Would Jesus Do?
> >
> > And that's another example of your arrogant stupidity.
> >
> > What would Santa Claus do?
>
> We dont know cause he hasnt walked the earth.
He's a lot like jesus that way, isn't he?
> If you saw a man walking a path that led to a cliff would you not stop and
> take a minute to tell him that the cliff was there?
>
> ----What Would Jesus Do? if you dont know you can read the Bible and find
> out for yourself.
Apparently preach goodness and light, and cause the worst portions in
the history of the human race. Too bad you and your's don't do as he
said or did.
dotcom
>
> A. O'Reilly <a...@bs.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.117d14edd...@news1.lig.bellsouth.net...
> > In article <37127394...@earthlink.net>, rfbunting@earthlink-
> > nospam.net enlightened us with...
> > >
> > > HOW CAN I KNOW THAT CHRIST IS THE RIGHT ONE?
> >
> >
> > > "For whosever shall call upon the name of the LORD
> > > shall be
> > > saved." Rom 10:13
> >
> > OK, no proof there.
> >
> > > "This know also, that in the last days perilous times
> > > shall come.
> > > For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
> > > proud,
> > > BLASPHEMERS, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy," II
> > > Tim: 2:1,2
> >
> > Wow, he's just described most of history. These aren't any new
> > behavioral patterns emerging.
> >
> > > Paul accurately describes today's society. All the
> > > mentioned
> > > characteristics fulfill prophecy and give validity to the claim
> > > that the Bible
> > > is God's Word and the Bible says that Jesus is THE Son of God.
> >
> > Uh-huh.
> > > Who do people curse and swear by? GOD and JESUS
> > > CHRIST! Who
> > > do many cultists claim to be? JESUS CHRIST! What name is sacred
> > > to many,
> > > and yet, most people show little reverence to it? JESUS CHRIST!
> >
> > I also swear by random other deities as the mood strikes (and for humor
> > value) -- I also swear by some choice four letter words for feces and the
> > sex act. However, I don't worship poop or screwing either.
> >
> > > I have been in other countries and have not found
> > > people using
> > > the name of Buddha or Allah in vain, or claiming to be them. One
> > > would be
> > > executed!
> >
> > Which countries? Lots of other Xian countries out there...
> >
> > > Even in those countries, the most popular curse is
> > > JESUS CHRIST!
> >
> > WHich countries? Perhaps we could visit the soc.culture.* newsgroup for
> > that country and see if they agree with you.
> >
> > > By their own lips they confirm the deity of Christ, because God
> > > said in the
> > > end times, men would be blasphemers of GOD and today they
> > > blaspheme no one
> > > else as CHRIST is blasphemed! They mock Him now, as they did on
> > > the Cross,
> > > nearly two thousand years ago.
> >
> > I thought you said this whole mocking thing was new and was fulfilling
> > prophecy -- now you say we've been doing it for 2,000 years? Make up
> > your mind!
> >
> > >
> > > There is no doubt that JESUS is THE Christ, THE
> > > SON OF GOD.
> > > If after reading this, you will reject Christ, you fulfill other
> > > verses in
> > > the Bible. "But if our Gospel be HID, it is hid to them that
> > > are lost: in
> > > whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them that
> > > believe not,
> > > lest the light of the glorious gospel of CHRIST, who is THE image
> > > of GOD,
> > > should shine unto them (II Cor 4:3,4).
> >
> > So we're predestined? Oh well, I guess it's not my fault then. Yay!
> >
> > >
> > > Why not accept THE Way and The Truth and be
> > > saved from sin
> > > and Hell?
> >
> > Cite some evidence for why we should and maybe we'll talk.
> >
> > > Maverick Ministries - Have Bible Will Preach!
> >
> > mornings door-to-door.
> >
>
> Maybe if you could read and understand the entire post then you would see
> the light. I hope for your sake that you accept Jesus before you die, so you
> dont goto hell.
I think it was this mind-set that allowed the inquisitors to torture
people "for their own good". I guess the true spirit of christianity
hasn't changed very much over the centuries.
Thomas P.
wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Dave Haas wrote:
>
><How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
><What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
><betting your life on this.
>
>
>Preface:
>
>
>To answer this question, it is necessary to realize that we must have a
>starting point. We must have a basis on which we build our beliefs. For
>some, this may be the Bible ("sola scriptura"), and for others it may be
>science. When speaking to those who base their beliefs in the Bible, we
>must use the Bible to direct them. If they believe only science, then we
>must use science to persuade them. This is what I have attempted to do. I
>have posted concerning Evolution and Creation [1] from a scientific
>standpoint (from which I have not received a response) and now I intend to
>answer the nagging question of assurance more from a Christian perspective
>(at a later date, I may post on this issue from a scientific angle).
>
snip of "proof" of your religion by quoting the Bible.
Try demonstrating the correctness of your choice without quoting the
Bible. I can not accept the Bible as the word of God because you say
so or because it says so in the Bible. I await your demonstration,
which will, no doubt, appear shortly.
Thomas P.
Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum.
Carl Funk
>
> We are just doing the same thing you would do. If you saw a blind man
> walking a path that led to a cliff would you not take a minute out your day
> to tell the man that there was a cliff there?
Sure. But I wouldn't spend hours trying to convince someone who
wasn't blind that there *is* a cliff there, he just can't see it
for some reason.
--
Carl Funk "nil illegitimi carborundum" ICQ#16282427
a.a atheist #1229 member, EAC Decryption Squad
to bypass my SPAM-deflector, it helps if you realize I am
asthmatic. i.e. no SMOKING please!
Don Kresch
space-time continuum
>All you atheists are the same, if you cant prove a message wrong then you
>attack the messenger.
All you theists are the same: you have no arguments.
>----What Would Jesus Do?
Whine like a baby while bleeding like a stuck pig.
Don
alt.atheism atheist #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
Now with 33% more cleaning power!
B
>
>
>B <mcb...@erols.com> wrote in message =
>news:7evucu$k1n$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net...
>
>***snip***
>
>BTW - it's not a bad idea to go ahead and snip the 85 lines of stuff =
>you're NOT responding to, and just leave the 3 you ARE responding to . . =
>.=20
>> >
>> >We are just doing the same thing you would do. If you saw a blind man
>your day
>> >to tell the man that there was a cliff there?
>> But is the cliff there in reality, or just in your mind?
>
Belief in something does not make it true. I could prove to that man that the
cliff is there. If someone can prove to me that hell is real and that I am
blindly walking towards it, I'd appreciate that.
=Ray=
<On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:34:27 -0700, =Ray= <rv...@lennon.csufresno.edu>
<wrote:
<
<>On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Dave Haas wrote:
<>
<><How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
<><What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
<><betting your life on this.
<>
<>
<>Preface:
<>
<>
<>To answer this question, it is necessary to realize that we must have a
<>starting point. We must have a basis on which we build our beliefs. For
<>some, this may be the Bible ("sola scriptura"), and for others it may be
<>science. When speaking to those who base their beliefs in the Bible, we
<>must use the Bible to direct them. If they believe only science, then we
<>must use science to persuade them. This is what I have attempted to do. I
<>have posted concerning Evolution and Creation [1] from a scientific
<>standpoint (from which I have not received a response) and now I intend to
<>answer the nagging question of assurance more from a Christian perspective
<>(at a later date, I may post on this issue from a scientific angle).
<>
<
<snip of "proof" of your religion by quoting the Bible.
<
<Try demonstrating the correctness of your choice without quoting the
<Bible. I can not accept the Bible as the word of God because you say
<so or because it says so in the Bible. I await your demonstration,
<which will, no doubt, appear shortly.
It will appear next week.
=Ray=
Sue Healy
>How can you be sure that your religion or way to God is the correct one?
>What is your opinion and how do you know you are right. Remember you are
>betting your life on this.
Most religious organizations have produced bad fruitage. Many have
promoted forms of worship that are based on false teachings and are
largely ritualistic instead of providing genuine spiritual guidance.
So, how can a person know which religion is right?
* On what are its teachings based? Are they from God, or are they
largely from men? (2 Tim.3:16; Mark 7:7)
* Is true faith in Jesus Christ being demonstrated?
* Is it largely ritualistic, a formality, or is it a way of life? God
strongly disapproves of a religion that is merely a
formalism.(Is.1:15-17)
* True religion upholds the Bible's standard of morality instead of
weakly going along with the trends.(1Cor.5:9-13; Eph.5:3-5) Its
members reflect the fruits of God's spirit in their lives.
(Gal.5:22,23) So, those who adhere to true worship can be identified
because they sincerely endeavour to apply Bible standards in their
lives.
* Do its members truly love one another? Jesus said: "By this all
will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among
yourselves." - John 13:35.
* Are its members active witnesses concerning God's Kingdom? -
Matt.24:14.
Mike
<da_rag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What would Santa Claus do?
>
>We dont know cause he hasnt walked the earth.
>
hahaha- Prove it.
Regards,
Mike
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