just a few questions please...
michael_...@yahoo.com
this by no means is a flame of any sort and I do admire your work and
study you have done with microsoft. you have obviously put alot of well
spent time in this and I do admire this.
however I do have to ask these questions.
why can you not even host your own email and have to resort in using
yahoo or google?
this is just something you may wish to consider being many nix users
can and do host their own email via procmail and succeffully build many
custom filters for this in .procmailrc. can you not do this with
microsoft is one question please?
another is, what are your views on active directory, the time consuming
protocols for creating forests and setting up wins and dns compaired to
a few simple lines of code in nix. one has to admit active directory
does soak up alot of extreamly valuable resources just to mearly open
up.
another question is the ability of microsofts ntfs filing system and
security compaired to ext3 and reiserfs? I may have over looked this
but I dont believe I seen this touched on your site. with this not
being touched on some may think you are trying to avoid the question
that ntfs is not only extreamly time consuming but also less secure and
stable being you must right click everything in windows to go to
properties to hit the advanced button and specail permissions then do
the same for users and groups in active directory when a simple chmod
775 <whatever> does the trick?
I do congratulate you on showing the long uptime for your server I
believe I seen a screen shot of, but personally I have never, not once
seen, heard of elsewhere, or worked with any windows system that could
accomplish even half that uptime, even with good solid round the clock
maintenance, beit win2k pro, win2k server, win xp pro, win 2003 server
data/enterprise/work/or web unlike any pick of nix flavore with no
constant watching of processes
why can you not find low or no cost tools such as net analyzers, such
as iptraf which comes with the install of nearly if not all nix distros
unlike microsoft where generally you have to buy the equilant at very
high prices such as ipswitch or winternals which in turn devoure
resources that are valuable to other things you need for your domain
controller?
although it would be a perfect world for microsoft users if virii worms
and trojans didnt exist, but fact is they exist and wont go away, and
the last few such as code red and a few others win av companies
struggled to get patches out before many machines got nailed yet kept
unix machines untouched as if nothing was happening?
why is microsoft now admitting that linux is not only the best choice
'for large servers only - 'braumers own words'' but now trying to get
into open source which they fought so long and hard to be against such
as getting into OSCON and trying to tap the market there? isnt this
microsoft who was a long time staunch opponent of open source no
differant then someone admitting they were wrong through their actions
speaking louder then words?
please keep in mind this by no means is a flame, and also I am not
saying I am for or against unix, all I wished to do was ask a few
general questions is all being you did a pretty good job on this site
and may want to cover some of these topics as well on your site too.
one last thing you may wish to consider on your site mentioning is the
fact that, why is it that mcse's are not paid very much compaired to
unix administrators? being, isnt money the main object for most people?
along with this you may also wish to add in your site how Novell along
with University of Illinois and a host of other purely Red Hat and Unix
run facilities made the most contributions to things such as DNS and
networking while microsoft basically re-created an already existing
protocol just to name it their own... such as c# or their own brand of
java and wishing to breech their contract with sun, or wins, or iis as
opposed to apache, or even how the i.e. browser had so many borrowed
features it wont even register as its own entity on say a php site,
such as netscape will read as netscape, opera will read as opera,
konqueror will read as gekco, firefox and mozilla will read as firefox
or mozilla, however, i.e will not read as i.e, but mozilla instead.
you have done a great job, and again, this by no means is a flame, nor
am I saying I am pro or against win or unix, however, just a few simple
questions that I think others are curious about as well that you may
wish to cover as topics to help enlighten others about the good
qualities of microsoft or the evils of unix.
oh, not to mention, I do hope your site isnt hosted via windows,
because your automated email does not work and code errors, only to let
you know.
thanks and Ill be watching your site for updates about this regularly!
cheers! =)
artisti...@gmail.com
michael_joe_wy...@yahoo.com wrote:
> hello,
>
> this by no means is a flame of any sort and I do admire your work and
> study you have done with microsoft. you have obviously put alot of well
> spent time in this and I do admire this.
>
> however I do have to ask these questions.
>
> why can you not even host your own email and have to resort in using
> yahoo or google?
just happens to be that Google is doing better job then Yahoo and
Microsoft and I have chosen them. I also like GMAIL better then Hotmail
regardless which platfrom it's running on. I also like Writely.com
which is part of Google but being run on Microsoft OS.
>
> this is just something you may wish to consider being many nix users
> can and do host their own email via procmail and succeffully build many
> custom filters for this in .procmailrc. can you not do this with
> microsoft is one question please?
Yes you can do anything with MS OS. There are tons of open source
products for MS which will allow you to host your messageboards etc
(http://www.communityserver.org)
>
> another is, what are your views on active directory, the time consuming
> protocols for creating forests and setting up wins and dns compaired to
> a few simple lines of code in nix. one has to admit active directory
> does soak up alot of extreamly valuable resources just to mearly open
> up.
There is no Active Directory in UNIX. There is emulation of Domain in
Samba and some LDAP directories but nothing as integrated and robust as
AD. At least I don't know any. Also you don't need WINS for AD to work,
in fact it's discouraged.
>
> another question is the ability of microsofts ntfs filing system and
> security compaired to ext3 and reiserfs? I may have over looked this
> but I dont believe I seen this touched on your site. with this not
> being touched on some may think you are trying to avoid the question
> that ntfs is not only extreamly time consuming but also less secure and
> stable being you must right click everything in windows to go to
> properties to hit the advanced button and specail permissions then do
> the same for users and groups in active directory when a simple chmod
> 775 <whatever> does the trick?
You can do almost any administrative task in Windows via scripting.
It's not only GUI. For change file permission you can use WSH (Windows
Scripting Host) or just command line utility cacls.exe.
>
> I do congratulate you on showing the long uptime for your server I
> believe I seen a screen shot of, but personally I have never, not once
> seen, heard of elsewhere, or worked with any windows system that could
> accomplish even half that uptime, even with good solid round the clock
> maintenance, beit win2k pro, win2k server, win xp pro, win 2003 server
> data/enterprise/work/or web unlike any pick of nix flavore with no
> constant watching of processes
That just means that people who were maintaining those servers were not
doing their job properly. The only maintaince I do for Windows is
install patches and only some of those require reboot.
>
> why can you not find low or no cost tools such as net analyzers, such
> as iptraf which comes with the install of nearly if not all nix distros
> unlike microsoft where generally you have to buy the equilant at very
> high prices such as ipswitch or winternals which in turn devoure
> resources that are valuable to other things you need for your domain
> controller?
>
What is net analyzer? Network Capturing program? You can use Ethereal
or network monitoring from MS. Both a free.
> although it would be a perfect world for microsoft users if virii worms
> and trojans didnt exist, but fact is they exist and wont go away, and
> the last few such as code red and a few others win av companies
> struggled to get patches out before many machines got nailed yet kept
> unix machines untouched as if nothing was happening?
This is hotly debated topic. Why there are more viruses and malware for
Windows clients but not for UNIX. I'm beleiving becouse UNIX client
base is much smaller and not is interesting for hackers compared to
Windows.
>
> why is microsoft now admitting that linux is not only the best choice
> 'for large servers only - 'braumers own words'' but now trying to get
> into open source which they fought so long and hard to be against such
> as getting into OSCON and trying to tap the market there? isnt this
> microsoft who was a long time staunch opponent of open source no
> differant then someone admitting they were wrong through their actions
> speaking louder then words?
They admitted that OSS is here and and valid competitor. As far as that
Linux is "best choice of large servers only", not sure where you got
that information. MS just release OS for Windows supercomputers
(http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6081810.html)
>
> one last thing you may wish to consider on your site mentioning is the
> fact that, why is it that mcse's are not paid very much compaired to
> unix administrators? being, isnt money the main object for most people?
Who said why MCSEs are not paid as much as UNIX admins? I'm well
compensanted and make more then some of UNIX colleagues. It's not about
certification but about knowledge. It just happens to be that I did not
have to learn VI for example and instead of saved those 3 days on
learning AD while by UNIX colleague was spending time trying to
remember 3 finger combinations to save a file in VI.
>
>
> oh, not to mention, I do hope your site isnt hosted via windows,
> because your automated email does not work and code errors, only to let
> you know.
Which part is failing. And you need to different application error from
OS malfunctions.
michael_...@yahoo.com
I know to most they may appear as if this was a flame, but it was only
out of my own curiousity, and I am sure many others might see this to,
which may also help be topics for your site.
just wondering though, to add most what needs to be such as WHS and
such, also what build windows are you running for these spects? such as
higher end win2003 and if so are you just running enterprise or
something bigger? and spects of server being run.
the only reason I ask these is because I am taking computer networking
in school now and there are a few linux enthuseist there who seem to
always remark how things can be done much faster easier and more secure
which leaves me as well as the rest of the students wondering.
other things mentioned, such as many government jobs, such as fernald
clean up at the nuclear facility was all floor workers using windows
however had to hire Novell techs to run the main frame, also this is
the case with many banks in my area as well.
again, I am not trying to side either way and this is definatly not a
flame, all I am trying to do is see the other side being when these
linux enthuseist hammer my teacher, my teacher has had to admit a few
things to them such as, if you want to really learn DNS you must use
unix. being we are learning absolutly nothing about DNS or its
protocol, only how to use win tools to achieve differant goals which
some students are finding this to be credibility to the unix users
argument
I do thank you for your quick response and have a great evening
cheers =)
michael_...@yahoo.com
artisti...@gmail.com wrote:
> michael_joe_wy...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > this by no means is a flame of any sort and I do admire your work and
> > study you have done with microsoft. you have obviously put alot of well
> > spent time in this and I do admire this.
> >
> > however I do have to ask these questions.
> >
> > why can you not even host your own email and have to resort in using
> > yahoo or google?
> You can achieve the same functionality using different platforms, it
> just happens to be that Google is doing better job then Yahoo and
> Microsoft and I have chosen them. I also like GMAIL better then Hotmail
> regardless which platfrom it's running on. I also like Writely.com
> which is part of Google but being run on Microsoft OS.
>
others this can be done as well if not better then procmail in linux?
you stated google is doing better however if not mistaken google is one
of the main members of the OSCON conv:. and unix powered? but I could
be wrong
cheers =)
artisti...@gmail.com
need to buy anything additional. What minimum hardware requirements are
there? You can find them on MS website but it's probably less then what
you have on your desktop right now.
As far as government jobs are corncerned Windows 2003 and Windows XP
achieved EAL4 certification
(http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/dec05/12-14CommonCriteriaPR.mspx)
Novell has it as well a lot of other Linux and UNIX flavours don't have
it.
There is no reason to assume that the only way to learn DNS is to run
it on UNIX. It's standard covered by RFCs and you can learn it in a
number of ways. It's like saying that the only way you can learn text
processing is by studying VI. I know DNS pretty well and majroty of
that knowledge has nothing to do with OS. DNS client and server are
applications and they are not tied to any specific OS in general. In
fact you can run your BIND either on Windows and UNIX.
And in general relying on one side view of your professor or your UNIX
friends would not give you the complete view of the issue. While my
positiong is one-sided as well at least you can have something on your
hands to make decision for yourself.
artisti...@gmail.com
There are other SMTP servers available for both Windows and UNIX, I'm
not sure why you specifically refer to procmail.
Yes, majority of Google is UNIX (Linux) powered, the same way majority
of Dell.com is Windows powered, it does not make one OS better then
other, it's how you use it.
michael_...@yahoo.com
I have another question that the students in my class brought up I was
hoping someone could clear up.
they were claiming microsoft stole the whole idea of active directory
from novell's NDS eDirectory which they claimed has been out much
longer and supposedly much better and easier to use. I wouldnt know, I
am only familure with active directory and it always seemed good to me.
I did some searches on this and to find out that novell's nds has in
fact been out much longer and also seems to have alot more support
world wide such as TrustUnion as one of the many who exclusivly use
nds.
if you have any information on this I would be very greatful so I could
bring this back up in class to the linux users who made this claim
please?
thanks kindly =)
artisti...@gmail.com
that time, it was not as thorough and extensive as AD. I'm not if you
can "steal" a concept. Your students then need to understand that GUI
was first invented and pioneered at PARC center in 70s, then Apple
"stole" idea, then "X-Windows" stole idea and then MS with Windows. If
your students consider it stealing then yes MS stole the idea. I do not
consider something stealing if you build based on concept.
And beleive me that there are much more ADs there then any Novell's
eDirectories.