Plantagenet-Beaufort family

[Travis Wagner]

I am cleaning these up, and preparing them for merging. What should I put for the name of John Beaufort,Duke of Somerset,born 1404,died 1444, and John Beaufort,Earl of Somerset, and Marquis of Dorset,born 1371,died 1410.

On May 29, 2012 11:32 AM, "Roger Travis" <rogert...@gmail.com> wrote:

Got it. Thanks!

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Travis Wagner <travisw...@gmail.com> wrote:

When I created the farmers daughter profile with her English/American surname, I was instantly pressured to merge the two,"Tudors", even after I added the "farmers daughter" to her profile, so I eliminated her from the profiles of her Welsh family, merged her with the other "Tudor". Then began creating new profile for Margaret Ferch Gruffud ap Llewellen,(leaving out the last part of her name to stop people from confusing the two). But I didn't have time to finish.
      Welsh farmers daughter was second wife of Thomas ap Nicholas ap Gruffud.

On May 29, 2012 11:04 AM, "Roger Travis" <rogert...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you, Travis. Sounds like a fascinating, if rather inaccessible, volume.

One question--why did you merge Twdr-1 (the farmer's daughter) into Tudor-287 (Princess Margaret Tudor) if this source confirms that there was a Margaret Twdr, farmer's daughter? I guess I'm not understanding who the farmer's daughter is supposed to be, according to your source.

At any rate, this all could have been avoided by putting your source on the profile. A source doesn't actually take up very much room, and even if a profile ends up merged it's a very simple thing to remove duplicates. I think it makes much more sense to have the sources in there even if you think the profile will be merged.

What do other group-members think?

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Classic T <travisw...@gmail.com> wrote:

I use the two books previously mentioned because they've both been recommended by Dr.Batte-Smyth, Professor Emeritus,History Department, Oxford University,London,England.

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[Lindsay Stough]

Dont worry about clean up or naming, etc... when they get merged they will be cleaned up and the appropriate naming will be on the new profile.

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 12:41:38 -0700
Subject: [WikiEuroAristo] Plantagenet-Beaufort family
From: travisw...@gmail.com
To: wikieur...@googlegroups.com

[Travis Wagner]

Ok. Thank you.

[Lindsay Stough]

I do need you to turn them to white privacy, though.

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 13:01:46 -0700
Subject: RE: [WikiEuroAristo] Plantagenet-Beaufort family

[Chris Whitten]

Travis, to bulk-modify privacy settings you can use
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Special:PrivacyChanges

Chris

[Lindsay Stough]

Also, FYI to everyone...

No need to change the LNAB (last name at birth) or delete a spouse that would be a duplicate... in fact, PLEASE DONT.

One, the duplicate spouses need to be merged and the change of LNAB is an additional merge that helps to create the fun redirect problem that makes the pages quit working.

> Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 16:12:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WikiEuroAristo] Plantagenet-Beaufort family
> From: cwhi...@gmail.com
> To: wikieur...@googlegroups.com

[Travis Wagner]

Bulk privacy tool didn't work, getting them white qiuck as I can.

[Paulette Anderson]

My daughter about a week or two ago gave me a 6 months gift subscription to Ancestry.com, which I am taking full advantage.   Today I realized that I had put in Elizabeth Plantagenet as the spouce of Henry Tudor VII resulting in no "hints". Looking to see what other name I could use. I tried Elizabeth York and came the Hints and a story from Ashley, Mike (2002). British Kings & Queens. Carroll & Graf. ISBN 0-7867-1104-3. page 227   Yet, there is nothing on her linage.So I had to read the souce and there were her father and mother Edward IV and his Queen consort Elizabeth Woodville which will be entered in the proper places.   Evidently to do research on Ancestry using the name, in this case,  Plantagenet does not help.  I just found this interesting and wanted to share.   Elizabeth     Books for adults and Children www.highandliftedup.com Kingdom'opoly The Paper Polycarp Evidence of Holy Spirit Tongues --- On Tue, 5/29/12, Lindsay Stough <wutam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Lindsay Stough <wutam...@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [WikiEuroAristo] Plantagenet-Beaufort family

[Lindsay Coleman]

Is this info not on WikiTree??

[Kathy Alvis Patterson]

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/York-1076

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[Lindsay Coleman]

Thanks for that Kathy!

OH, and to clarify, I didn’t mean that you, Elizabeth, or anyone else,
shouldn’t be looking outside WikiTree, even though I love WikiTree... more
sources are always better than just one!

I like Ancestry, too... but Im poor... or rather I refuse to spend money on
most things... Ancestry is just so expensive! Another vote for WikiTree! lol

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From: Kathy Alvis Patterson
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 4:23 PM
To: wikieur...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [WikiEuroAristo] Plantagenet-Beaufort family

[Kathy Alvis Patterson]

I didn't understand you to be talking about sources at all, but about
thinking a Queen of England was missing because her profile was not
found.
This is one of our serious supervisor duties: getting names in one
form. Paulette was looking for Elizabeth of York, Queen of England,
but she could have been looking under ENGLAND, England, of England, of
England, of YORK, Of YORK, YORK, York, various spellings of
Plantagenet (with or without capitals), even Tudor.
I found the profile because I knew it has been decided to use York for
this particular family of Plantagenets during the Wars of the Roses.
Kathy

[Lindsay Coleman]

Oh, no, I figured she was there... I just also figured that the parents were
there as she was talking about trying to locate them on Ancestry. They were
on WikiTree and I was saying look there, but wanted to re-clarify that she
can certainly look wherever she wants, HA.

The full name search on WikiTree should help with things like this... not so
much the surname search... the full name search pulls her up as Elizabeth
of York and Elizabeth Plantagenet, and Im sure other variations.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Alvis Patterson
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 5:09 PM
To: wikieur...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [WikiEuroAristo] Plantagenet-Beaufort family

I didn't understand you to be talking about sources at all, but about
thinking a Queen of England was missing because her profile was not
found.
This is one of our serious supervisor duties: getting names in one
form. Paulette was looking for Elizabeth of York, Queen of England,
but she could have been looking under ENGLAND, England, of England, of
England, of YORK, Of YORK, YORK, York, various spellings of
Plantagenet (with or without capitals), even Tudor.
I found the profile because I knew it has been decided to use York for
this particular family of Plantagenets during the Wars of the Roses.
Kathy

On 6/2/12, Lindsay Coleman <wutam...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for that Kathy!
>

> OH, and to clarify, I didn�t mean that you, Elizabeth, or anyone else,
> shouldn�t be looking outside WikiTree, even though I love WikiTree... more