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John Maloney

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Jul 9, 2009, 5:40:56 PM7/9/09
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Hi –

 

As value networks increase in breadth and scope, and span organizational and national boundaries, it is important to command a degree of cultural fluency to assure success. The portfolio of social intangibles that comprise customs, courtesies, lifestyle and expectations are essential to achieving favorable outcomes when operating internationally and interorganizationally.   

 

The language of networks is universal. Still, it is prudent and recommended to have an awareness and sensitivity to culture when conducting network analysis in diverse, transnational settings. Yes, it seems obvious, but the train wrecks are legion.

For decades I’ve used and relied upon Culture Grams: ‘concise, reliable, and up-to-date reports on more than 200 countries, each U.S. state, and all 13 Canadian provinces and territories.’
 
http://www.culturegrams.com/
 
They are produced by BYU for, well, obviously reasons, given global LDS activities.
 
As an HR director and long-time expat at HP, I recommended and used them day-to-day. The four-page PDFs are excellent. Here is a sample.

 

http://bit.ly/1PqyZ

 
Besides developing awareness and building cultural competence for different global locales, it is fun to read the Culture Gram from your OWN country/state/province to discover your idiosyncrasies that others (and you) may need to understand.

 

The next most important characteristic to assure success and prosperity in culture-spanning business activities is, by far, a sense of humor.

 

-j

 

 

Wouldn’t it be cool if organizations published Culture Grams? The 10-K is sort of one, I suppose. You can bet there would be a lot of interesting differences!

  

Khaled Islaih

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Hi John,
 
Thanks  for sharing this important posting. I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world. I see this in my work with immigrants (transnational citizens) in Canada. Immigrants are key nodes in transnational value networks. However,  traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.

Khaled
 
 
Khaled A. Islaih
Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
Email: in...@khaledislaih.com Web: www.khaledislaih.com
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John Maloney

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Jul 10, 2009, 8:59:29 AM7/10/09
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Hi Khaled –

 

Not so fast.

 

I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world.”

 

On the contrary, diversity adds significant advantages to TVNs, particularly in ‘today’s mobile world.’

 

traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.”

 

While it is not perfect or complete, enormous progress has been made. Structures like economic integration do not change overnight. However, the speed, depth and breadth has been simply amazing and really accelerated the practical deployment of TVNs.

 

In modern times, what you are concerned with was advanced by Alexander Hamilton over two hundred years ago. The basic federalist notion is that economic integration leads to political integration. (NOT the other way around.)

 

Today’s practical advantage is a ‘transnational’ worker in Idaho can easily take a job in Texas. All they need to do is maybe get a new drivers license from the ‘state’ in 30-days. This transnational integration has driven the sharp economic growth of the ‘United’ States since the Civil War.

 

Hamilton’s principle is why the European Union exists, for example. It is the purpose of Maastricht, Euro, the EC, and all the other organizing foundations of federal Europe. The rest-of-world is relieved since the chance of federal economic states taking military action against each other is extremely low. Remember, economic integration leads political integration and… peace. Consider the probability of Alberta declaring war on Ontario.

 

The notion of a ‘transnational citizen’ absent an economic or political context is ridiculous. That’s the common mistake people make and the reason for conflict in the immigration debate. Citizenship is a privilege of the nation-state and will be for a long time to come. A guy from Ghana living in Manitoba will be seen as an immigrant by federalists in Ottawa for a long time to come.

 

For TVNs, there are considerable advantages to this diverse configuration particularly when paired with federal economic zones like the EU, United States, Canada, and so forth. The genius is value and diversity often transcends nationalism in TVNs, and in some regions and zones, socio-political patterns make TVNs a foregone conclusion!  

 

-j    


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Khaled Islaih

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Jul 10, 2009, 11:46:31 PM7/10/09
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Hi John,
 
Thanks for your feedback.
 
As you might know, I am interested in exploring value networks within intercultural and multilingual contexts. In such contexts, I think networks are turned into flux. This complex flux become a source of "revolutionary wealth".
 
If you pay careful attention you will notice that flux might be the only constant in our lives and environment.  This include water, energy, emotions, wind, thoughts, conversations, interactions and behaviors. These are just examples of some social / physical fluxes in our new / old sociophysical world.
 
Your analysis included structural anthropological focus (the study of incremental patterns of our human evolution). This focus has studied  human evolution within closed disciplinary boundaries, territorial societies and national cultures. Therefore, it doesn't help us make sense of today's transnational networks, mobile social revolutions and globalized cultural patterns.  
 
To resolve this paradox, a new generation of anthropologists have developed quantum anthropology  to study human evolution through quantum dynamics. This anthropological shift, makes us feel that the  future already arrived yesterday (or even last year). Therefore,  I think we have to run very fast to cope with the accelerated waves of shift and change in our lives and societies.
 
Khaled
 
 
Khaled A. Islaih
Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
Email: in...@khaledislaih.com Web: www.khaledislaih.com
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--- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Maloney <jheur...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: John Maloney <jheur...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Transnational Value Networks
To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:59 PM

Hi Khaled –

 

Not so fast.

 

I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world.”

On the contrary, diversity adds significant advantages to TVNs, particularly in ‘today’s mobile world.’

traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.”

While it is not perfect or complete, enormous progress has been made. Structures like economic integration do not change overnight. However, the speed, depth and breadth has been simply amazing and really accelerated the practical deployment of TVNs.

In modern times, what you are concerned with was advanced by Alexander Hamilton over two hundred years ago. The basic federalist notion is that economic integration leads to political integration. (NOT the other way around.)

 

Today’s practical advantage is a ‘transnational’ worker in Idaho can easily take a job in Texas.. All they need to do is maybe get a new drivers license from the ‘state’ in 30-days. This transnational integration has driven the sharp economic growth of the ‘United’ States since the Civil War.

 

Hamilton’s principle is why the European Union exists, for example. It is the purpose of Maastricht, Euro, the EC, and all the other organizing foundations of federal Europe. The rest-of-world is relieved since the chance of federal economic states taking military action against each other is extremely low. Remember, economic integration leads political integration and… peace. Consider the probability of Alberta declaring war on Ontario.

The notion of a ‘transnational citizen’ absent an economic or political context is ridiculous. That’s the common mistake people make and the reason for conflict in the immigration debate. Citizenship is a privilege of the nation-state and will be for a long time to come. A guy from Ghana living in Manitoba will be seen as an immigrant by federalists in Ottawa for a long time to come.

For TVNs, there are considerable advantages to this diverse configuration particularly when paired with federal economic zones like the EU, United States, Canada, and so forth. The genius is value and diversity often transcends nationalism in TVNs, and in some regions and zones, socio-political patterns make TVNs a foregone conclusion!  

 

-j    

   

 

 

From: Value-N...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Value-N...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Khaled Islaih
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:02 PM
To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks

 

Hi John,

 

Thanks  for sharing this important posting. I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world. I see this in my work with immigrants (transnational citizens) in Canada. Immigrants are key nodes in transnational value networks. However,  traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.

Khaled

 

 

Khaled A. Islaih

Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker

Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation

Email: info@khaledislaih..com Web: www.khaledislaih.com
Blog:  Community Conversations

David Meggitt

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Jul 11, 2009, 8:31:28 AM7/11/09
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Khaled,

The concept of flux that you introduce and your reference to quantum
anthropology will really resonate with some colleagues of mine. I also
feel that it is pertinent to some sort of extension of the value
network approach.
Tentative steps of my own are here http://tinyurl.com/mvzhdc in which
I have referenced dialogue here on Being in the Groove.

I note your Canadian association with knowledge management, so you
will no doubt be aware of another's pioneering contributions, Hubert
Saint-Onge, who has more recently conceived the term "conductivity" in
knowledge flow.

I appreciate that quantum effects take us to another level away from
Newtonian and a normal comfort zone. However, there are some very
large followings now of gifted and and knowledgeable individuals who,
for example, promote quantum collapse for individuals and associate
with an emerging field of positive psychology. (There are also some
anti-faith overtones that I try to ignore, but not directly relevant
here).

What does concern me, and maybe you have a view on this, is that we
are moving so far away from the mindsets that create ERP systems, that
we may anticipate some sort of backlash from that quarter.
Only today, I have had my membership revoked from a SAP Clients
Ecademy club for allegedly spamming, despite not having made a
contribution for months.Hopefully, an explanation will be forthcoming.

David Meggitt





On Jul 11, 4:46 am, Khaled Islaih <kisl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
>  
> Thanks for your feedback.
>  
> As you might know, I am interested in exploring value networks within intercultural and multilingual contexts. In such contexts, I think networks are turned into flux. This complex flux become a source of "revolutionary wealth".
>  
> If you pay careful attention you will notice that flux might be the only constant in our lives and environment.  This include water, energy, emotions, wind, thoughts, conversations, interactions and behaviors. These are just examples of some social / physical fluxes in our new / old sociophysical world.
>  
> Your analysis included structural anthropological focus (the study of incremental patterns of our human evolution). This focus has studied  human evolution within closed disciplinary boundaries, territorial societies and national cultures. Therefore, it doesn't help us make sense of today's transnational networks, mobile social revolutions and globalized cultural patterns.  
>  
> To resolve this paradox, a new generation of anthropologists have developed quantum anthropology  to study human evolution through quantum dynamics. This anthropological shift, makes us feel that the  future already arrived yesterday (or even last year). Therefore,  I think we have to run very fast to cope with the accelerated waves of shift and change in our lives and societies.
>  
> Khaled
>  
>  
> Khaled A. Islaih
> Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
> Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> Email: i...@khaledislaih.com Web:www.khaledislaih.com
> Blog:  Community Conversations
> Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
> Follow me on Twitter
>
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Transnational Value Networks
> To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:59 PM
>
> Hi Khaled –
>  
> Not so fast.
>  
> “I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world.”
>  
> On the contrary, diversity adds significant advantages to TVNs, particularly in ‘today’s mobile world.’
>  
> “traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.”
>  
> While it is not perfect or complete, enormous progress has been made. Structures like economic integration do not change overnight. However, the speed, depth and breadth has been simply amazing and really accelerated the practical deployment of TVNs.
>  
> In modern times, what you are concerned with was advanced by Alexander Hamilton over two hundred years ago. The basic federalist notion is that economic integration leads to political integration. (NOT the other way around.)
>  
> Today’s practical advantage is a ‘transnational’ worker in Idaho can easily take a job in Texas. All they need to do is maybe get a new drivers license from the ‘state’ in 30-days. This transnational integration has driven the sharp economic growth of the ‘United’ States since the Civil War.
>  
> Hamilton’s principle is why the European Union exists, for example. It is the purpose of Maastricht, Euro, the EC, and all the other organizing foundations of federal Europe. The rest-of-world is relieved since the chance of federal economic states taking military action against each other is extremely low. Remember, economic integration leads political integration and… peace. Consider the probability of Alberta declaring war on Ontario.
>  
> The notion of a ‘transnational citizen’ absent an economic or political context is ridiculous. That’s the common mistake people make and the reason for conflict in the immigration debate. Citizenship is a privilege of the nation-state and will be for a long time to come. A guy from Ghana living in Manitoba will be seen as an immigrant by federalists in Ottawa for a long time to come.
>  
> For TVNs, there are considerable advantages to this diverse configuration particularly when paired with federal economic zones like the EU, United States, Canada, and so forth. The genius is value and diversity often transcends nationalism in TVNs, and in some regions and zones, socio-political patterns make TVNs a foregone conclusion!  
>  
> -j    
>    
>  
>  
>
> From: Value-N...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Value-N...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Khaled Islaih
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:02 PM
> To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks
>  
>
>  
>
> Hi John,
>
>  
>
> Thanks  for sharing this important posting. I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world. I see this in my work with immigrants (transnational citizens) in Canada. Immigrants are key nodes in transnational value networks. However,  traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.
>
> Khaled
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Khaled A. Islaih
>
> Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
>
> Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> Email: i...@khaledislaih.com Web:www.khaledislaih.com
> Blog:  Community Conversations
>
> Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
>
> Follow me on Twitter
>
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com> wrote:

John Maloney

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Jul 11, 2009, 11:29:35 AM7/11/09
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Hi Khaled -

Well put.

This complex flux become a source of "revolutionary wealth".

I suggest and highly recommend Alvin and Heidi Toffler's (Future Shock, The
Third Wave) book of the same title, "Revolutionary Wealth."

Summary: http://bit.ly/yLfON

A manifesto on the future of wealth and (difficult) transition to
intangibles.

Alvin said at a 2006 book signing, "The US could double its GDP in 20ys with
a focus on intangibles."

I agree.

Cheers,

-j

Wael Al Saad

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Jul 11, 2009, 11:09:07 AM7/11/09
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David,

for those swinging within the fuzzy waves of the living flux-matrix my quick intuitive explanation  about dis-affinity to dull concerns, parties and in general close groups-structures established last century is that the knowledge and awareness we gained in relatively very short time on the individual scale, thanks to technology, which effects change fastest,  need enough time to be reflected in society and large groups-structures, so that the identification with closed-system groups is uncomfortable disturbing for individuals.
The transformation into human-life-ecology is still did not reach the tipping point to reflect its new culture  within society, economy, governance and other large-scale structure, which providing individuals service and products.

It is like internally you wish something no one is able to offer you and existing offers do not contain it.

Or does SAP offer futuristic life-ecology ERP? That wont be the case, as it will be only ONE existing meta-intellgent communication-infrastructre covering the interaction dealing with all life-econlogy, same as the sun shining at your part of the earth in the east and my part in the east, and the air you are breathing the same ONE I breath here.
With these identification we can touch the trajectories of the future culture which is co-creation.

Actually it is no one mistake here and there is no one to blame in this scale as we are all going through new learn process and becoming responsible for every thing.

Wael Al Saad

2009/7/11 David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com>



--
Salam/Regards

Wael Al Saad

Khaled Islaih

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Jul 11, 2009, 9:51:01 PM7/11/09
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Hi David,
 
Thanks for the Quantum Collapse concept. It makes me feel like I have been living in a fake world  with lies, misinformation and traditional academic science that sliced our minds.
 
This concept has motivated me  to google quantum keywords such quantum organization, quantum careers, quantum leadership, quantum space, quantum time,  quantum economics quantum psychology, and quantum markets. I was amazed by the results! (you can try it for yourself).  Many people  out there are already using sociophysics to reinvent their knowledge and common sense.!
 
More importantly, I learned about the power of quantum linguistics. The joint work between linguists and physicists to discover the power of language and consciousness on material. I think our parents and grandparents experienced this science through their prayers. It seems that our grandparents experienced a true and universal science before us.
 
 Furthermore, using quantum linguistics as a foundation for our daily language activities allows us to understand more, learn more and be more. It builds our socioeconomic gravity. It enables us to learn / communicate better with our surroundings including young children, and people from different cultures (speaking different languages). It also  facilitate communication even with animals, by learning from their behaviors, reactions and organizational patterns. Social scientists have developed animal sociology to understand human evolution better.
 
Finally, I think humanity is now experiencing the quantum leap like electrons of the atom jumping between levels of energy to redsicover its true origin.
 
Welcome the world of social and cultural fluids!
 
Khaled
Khaled A. Islaih
Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
Follow me on Twitter


 


--- On Sat, 7/11/09, David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com> wrote:

From: David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com>
Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks
To: "Value Networks" <Value-N...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 3:31 PM


Khaled,

The concept of flux that you introduce and your reference to quantum
anthropology will really resonate with some colleagues of mine. I also
feel that it is pertinent to some sort of extension of the value
network approach.
Tentative steps of my own are here http://tinyurl.com/mvzhdc in which
I have referenced dialogue here on Being in the Groove.

I note your Canadian association with knowledge management, so you
will no doubt be aware of another's pioneering contributions, Hubert
Saint-Onge, who has more recently conceived the term "conductivity" in
knowledge flow.

I appreciate that quantum effects take us to another level away from
Newtonian and a normal comfort zone. However, there are some very
large followings now of gifted and and knowledgeable individuals who,
for example, promote quantum collapse for individuals and associate
with an emerging field of positive psychology.. (There are also some
> Khaled A.. Islaih

>
> Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
>
> Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> Email: i...@khaledislaih.com Web:www.khaledislaih.com
> Blog:  Community Conversations
>
> Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
>
> Follow me on Twitter
>
>  
>
> --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Transnational Value Networks
> To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:40 AM
>
> Hi –
>  
> As value networks increase in breadth and scope, and span organizational and national boundaries, it is important to command a degree of cultural fluency to assure success. The portfolio of social intangibles that comprise customs, courtesies, lifestyle and expectations are essential to achieving favorable outcomes when operating internationally and interorganizationally.   
>  
> The language of networks is universal. Still, it is prudent and recommended to have an awareness and sensitivity to culture when conducting network analysis in diverse, transnational settings. Yes, it seems obvious, but the train wrecks are legion.
>
> For decades I’ve used and relied upon Culture Grams: ‘concise, reliable, and up-to-date reports on more than 200 countries, each U.S.. state, and all 13 Canadian provinces and territories.’

Wael Al Saad

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Jul 12, 2009, 3:45:45 AM7/12/09
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Dear Khaled,

as other Palestinian colleague from different part of this planet of you stalking global transofrmation of culture and principles manifesting our reality I feel very glad to share this conversation. 
When we share new functional concepts we would better perform collective challenges.  
If you do not mind to share with me concepts you recommend we will help each other to develop common language. So I would like to ask you about your recommendations as Palestinian in terms of quantum linguistics. 
A good tool for social-tagging-and-bookmarking  I heard often about is http://delicious.com/  
I have just created an account there: http://delicious.com/GlobalPalestine

If you do not mind we can share couple of links that enable us to share building new language ~

Thanks,
Wael Al Saad

2009/7/12 Khaled Islaih <kis...@yahoo.com>

Khaled Islaih

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Jul 12, 2009, 12:19:03 AM7/12/09
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Hi John,
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
Last week, I bought the revolutionary wealth: How it will be created and how it will change our lives by Alvin Toffler and Heidi Toffler from a community store for selling used items. I bought the book  for 5 C$. Excellent quantum deal!
 
I liked the way the Tofflers explained social and cultural evolution in a globalizing world. I liked the way they explained the patterns of Easternization, Westernization and Islamization within one global culture.
 
I also would like to introduce another important book on this topic, the Origin of Wealth: the Radical Remaking of Economics and What it means for Business and Society". The book show the economy as an evolutionary system like a biological system. Both books show that structural approaches doesn't help us in understanding, attracting and managing today's revolutionary / quantum wealth.
 
As I explained in my the previous posting, that quantum linguistics build our socioeconomic gravity. It help us attract new opportunities, build social bridges and explore new economic spaces. Therefore, monetary statistics (such as GDP/GNP) represents misguiding indicators of today's quantum univeral wealth. For example, algorithmic indicators, instead of just numbers, are needed to incorporate long term and systematic impacts of any economic transaction.  
 
A revolution in current economic statistics and monetary systems is urgently needed. I don't know if national statistics department and central banks around the world are aware of this !
 
Moreover, I think we must get rid of the traditional financial systems to help people understand wealth differently. This shift will help us explore the non-money economy ( the hidden economy of intangibles).
 
All in all,  I am happy to hear about quantum money and open money initiatives in many communities around the world.
 
Khaled
 
Khaled A. Islaih
Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
Email: in...@khaledislaih.com Web: www.khaledislaih.com
Blog:  Community Conversations
Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
Follow me on Twitter


 


--- On Sat, 7/11/09, John Maloney <jheur...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: John Maloney <jheur...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Transnational Value Networks
To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 6:29 PM


Hi Khaled -

Well put.

This complex flux become a source of "revolutionary wealth".

I suggest and highly recommend Alvin and Heidi Toffler's (Future Shock, The
Third Wave) book of the same title, "Revolutionary Wealth."

Summary: http://bit.ly/yLfON

A manifesto on the future of wealth and (difficult) transition to
intangibles.

Alvin said at a 2006 book signing, "The US could double its GDP in 20ys with
a focus on intangibles." 

I agree.

Cheers,

-j





and up-to-date reports on more than 200 countries, each U.S. state, and all

David Meggitt

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Jul 12, 2009, 12:56:02 PM7/12/09
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Khaled,

Re references, Beinhocker's "The Origin of Wealth..." has featured
here in the past, so pleased to see you re-point to it. There is also
a little write up here on the Value Networks open site.
http://www.value-networks.com/Articles/AreYouFitforPurpose.pdf

Good to see Toffler's new contribution. His books in the '80's were /
are so insightful. They were recommended to me by a colleague at the
time who has just published a magnum opus of spatial and temporal
scale that blows my mind. "Long Range Futures Research - An
application of complexity science." Robert H Samet. Immediate
application is for scenario building and perspectives. P 418 covers
religion in the context of the Sociosphere within macrotrends and the
intermediate future. There is some good news. By 2150 it is likely
that cultural and religious diversity will be encouraged by all faiths
to promote a shared vision of moral values!

David



On Jul 12, 5:19 am, Khaled Islaih <kisl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi John,
>  
> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
>  
> Last week, I bought the revolutionary wealth: How it will be created and how it will change our lives by Alvin Toffler and Heidi Toffler from a community store for selling used items. I bought the book  for 5 C$. Excellent quantum deal!
>  
> I liked the way the Tofflers explained social and cultural evolution in a globalizing world. I liked the way they explained the patterns of Easternization, Westernization and Islamization within one global culture.
>  
> I also would like to introduce another important book on this topic, the Origin of Wealth: the Radical Remaking of Economics and What it means for Business and Society". The book show the economy as an evolutionary system like a biological system. Both books show that structural approaches doesn't help us in understanding, attracting and managing today's revolutionary / quantum wealth.
>  
> As I explained in my the previous posting, that quantum linguistics build our socioeconomic gravity. It help us attract new opportunities, build social bridges and explore new economic spaces. Therefore, monetary statistics (such as GDP/GNP) represents misguiding indicators of today's quantum univeral wealth. For example, algorithmic indicators, instead of just numbers, are needed to incorporate long term and systematic impacts of any economic transaction.  
>  
> A revolution in current economic statistics and monetary systems is urgently needed. I don't know if national statistics department and central banks around the world are aware of this !
>  
> Moreover, I think we must get rid of the traditional financial systems to help people understand wealth differently. This shift will help us explore the non-money economy ( the hidden economy of intangibles).
>  
> All in all,  I am happy to hear about quantum money and open money initiatives in many communities around the world.
>  
> Khaled
>  
> Khaled A. Islaih
> Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
> Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> favorable outcomes when operating internationally and interorganizationally..
>   >  
> > The language of networks is universal. Still, it is prudent and
>
> recommended to have an awareness and sensitivity to culture when conducting
> network analysis in diverse, transnational settings. Yes, it seems obvious,
> but the train wrecks are legion.
>
> > For decades I’ve used and relied upon Culture Grams: ‘concise, reliable,
>
> and up-to-date reports on more than 200 countries, each U.S. state, and all
> 13 Canadian provinces and territories.’
>
>
>
> >  http://www.culturegrams.com/
> >  
> > They are produced by BYU for, well,
>
> ...
>
> read more »

Khaled Islaih

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Jul 12, 2009, 8:38:16 PM7/12/09
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David,
 
 I agree with your conclusions. The quantum evolution of our human society have brought lately a black man (Barack Obama) to the White House.
 
Despite his lack of experience in conventional global politics, Obama realized this political miracle through his quantum language and his culturally diverse background. For example, his words project change, energy and hope . In his speeches, he  speaks the language of Christians, Muslims, Jews, black and white. Unlike previous American presidents, he connects with almost everyone at a deeper level regardless of cultural and racial background. 
 
At the same time, American people got sick of political status quo in their country. They wanted someone totally different to be their President. They wanted to smash traditional leadership patterns. As usual, Americans are trend setters for others.  
 
In the age of quantum reality, miracles can happen anytime without too much materialistic preparations. In certain situations, you just need to prepared emotionally and intellectually.
 
I am also optimistic about our collective diverse future due to  the emergence of cultural science to replace the collapsing standard academic science (reductive materialistic science). In fact, proactive academic circles  are replacing academic objectivity with academic freedom to celebrate the diversity of knowing. 
 
After all, cultural diversity is becoming a scientific, , political, social and economic necessity for meaningful human sustainability.
 
I don't think we will wait to the year 2150 to maximize the rewards of this quantum transformation. It is already happening in front of our eyes. It will accelerate more in the coming months and years.
 
Khaled
 
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--- On Sun, 7/12/09, David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com> wrote:

From: David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com>
Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks

Martin R. Dugage

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Jul 15, 2009, 8:14:34 AM7/15/09
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Not to "replace the collapsing standard academic science", but rather to "add a new discipline beyond standard academic science".
Let's stay humble.
/Martin

Envoyé de mon iPhone

David Meggitt

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Jul 15, 2009, 9:59:41 AM7/15/09
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I wrote:
>> "I have had my membership revoked from a SAP Clients
Ecademy club for allegedly spamming, despite not having made a
contribution for months.Hopefully, an explanation will be
forthcoming."

I had an immediate response from the Ecademy leadership who had also
contacted the Club Moderator.
The Moderator, in turn, contacted me very soon after to apologies and
explain that he had closed the Club down as he had found
a new cause in life and partners in property development and in a
movement to save the Amazonian rain forests.

So, and a lesson for me, I attached the wrong meaning to the event and
made the wrong association.

David

On Jul 11, 1:31 pm, David Meggitt <m...@davidmeggitt.com> wrote:
> Khaled,
>
> The concept of flux that you introduce and your reference to quantum
> anthropology will really resonate with some colleagues of mine. I also
> feel that it is pertinent to some sort of extension of the value
> network approach.
> Tentative steps of my own are herehttp://tinyurl.com/mvzhdcin which

Khaled Islaih

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Jul 15, 2009, 9:28:37 PM7/15/09
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David;
 
It seems you have been under the observer effect for few days (to think what you think or see  is right or real).
 
In contrast, the whole life experience for some people is an example of observer effect disaster. I am afraid that the so-called global economic crisis is a giant observer effect disaster.
 
Awareness of observer effect dynamics (within organization, communities and the world at large)  is the key for true global innovation and universal transformation.

Khaled
 
Khaled A. Islaih
Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
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--- On Wed, 7/15/09, David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com> wrote:

From: David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com>
Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks
To: "Value Networks" <Value-N...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 4:59 PM


I wrote:
>> "I have had my membership revoked from a SAP Clients
Ecademy club for allegedly spamming, despite not having made a
contribution for months.Hopefully, an explanation will be
forthcoming."

I had an immediate response from the Ecademy leadership who had also
contacted the Club Moderator.
The Moderator, in turn, contacted me very soon after to apologies and
explain that he had closed the Club down as he had found
a new cause in life and partners in property development and in a
movement to save the Amazonian rain forests.

So, and a lesson for me, I attached the wrong meaning to the event and
made the wrong association.

David

> > To resolve this paradox, a new generation of anthropologists have developed quantum anthropology  to study human evolution through quantum dynamics. This anthropological shift, makes us feel that the  future already arrived yesterday (or even last year).. Therefore,  I think we have to run very fast to cope with the accelerated waves of shift and change in our lives and societies.

> >  
> > Khaled
> >  
> >  
> > Khaled A. Islaih
> > Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
> > Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> > Email: i...@khaledislaih.com Web:www.khaledislaih.com
> > Blog:  Community Conversations
> > Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
> > Follow me on Twitter
>
> >  
>
> > --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: John Maloney <jheuris....@gmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: Transnational Value Networks
> > To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:59 PM
>
> > Hi Khaled –
> >  
> > Not so fast.
> >  
> > “I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world.”
> >  
> > On the contrary, diversity adds significant advantages to TVNs, particularly in ‘today’s mobile world.’
> >  
> > “traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.”
> >  
> > While it is not perfect or complete, enormous progress has been made. Structures like economic integration do not change overnight. However, the speed, depth and breadth has been simply amazing and really accelerated the practical deployment of TVNs.
> >  
> > In modern times, what you are concerned with was advanced by Alexander Hamilton over two hundred years ago. The basic federalist notion is that economic integration leads to political integration. (NOT the other way around.)
> >  
> > Today’s practical advantage is a ‘transnational’ worker in Idaho can easily take a job in Texas. All they need to do is maybe get a new drivers license from the ‘state’ in 30-days. This transnational integration has driven the sharp economic growth of the ‘United’ States since the Civil War.
> >  
> > Hamilton’s principle is why the European Union exists, for example. It is the purpose of Maastricht, Euro, the EC, and all the other organizing foundations of federal Europe. The rest-of-world is relieved since the chance of federal economic states taking military action against each other is extremely low. Remember, economic integration leads political integration and… peace. Consider the probability of Alberta declaring war on Ontario.
> >  
> > The notion of a ‘transnational citizen’ absent an economic or political context is ridiculous. That’s the common mistake people make and the reason for conflict in the immigration debate. Citizenship is a privilege of the nation-state and will be for a long time to come. A guy from Ghana living in Manitoba will be seen as an immigrant by federalists in Ottawa for a long time to come.
> >  
> > For TVNs, there are considerable advantages to this diverse configuration particularly when paired with federal economic zones like the EU, United States, Canada, and so forth.. The genius is value and diversity often transcends nationalism in TVNs, and in some regions and zones, socio-political patterns make TVNs a foregone conclusion!  

David Meggitt

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Jul 16, 2009, 3:27:36 AM7/16/09
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Khaled,

Wise and perceptive observations again, thank you.

And here's the thing with value networks; move into role mode and you
tend to leave ego behind and engage in fruitful conversation, out of
which negotiated win-win agreements can emerge. Make sense?
It's part of the value network analysis procedure, supplemented by
input from other disciplines.
Do you know what I mean?
If not, I'll explain off line.
Also start small.
David

On Jul 16, 2:28 am, Khaled Islaih <kisl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
> David;
>  
> It seems you have been under the observer effect for few days (to think what you think or see  is right or real).
>  
> In contrast, the whole life experience for some people is an example of observer effect disaster. I am afraid that the so-called global economic crisis is a giant observer effect disaster.
>  
> Awareness of observer effect dynamics (within organization, communities and the world at large)  is the key for true global innovation and universal transformation.
>
> Khaled
>  
> Khaled A. Islaih
> Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
> Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> Email: i...@khaledislaih.com Web:www.khaledislaih.com
> Blog:  Community Conversations
> Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
> Follow me on Twitter
>
>  
>
> --- On Wed, 7/15/09, David Meggitt <m...@davidmeggitt.com> wrote:
>
> From: David Meggitt <m...@davidmeggitt.com>
> Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks
> To: "Value Networks" <Value-N...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 4:59 PM
>
> I wrote:
> >> "I have had my membership revoked from a SAP Clients
>
> Ecademy club for allegedly spamming, despite not having made a
> contribution for months.Hopefully, an explanation will be
> forthcoming."
>
> I had an immediate response from the Ecademy leadership who had also
> contacted the Club Moderator.
> The Moderator, in turn, contacted me very soon after to apologies and
> explain that he had closed the Club down as he had found
> a new cause in life and partners in property development and in a
> movement to save the Amazonian rain forests.
>
> So, and a lesson for me, I attached the wrong meaning to the event and
> made the wrong association.
>
> David
>
> > > To resolve this paradox, a new generation of anthropologists have developed quantum anthropology  to study human evolution through quantum dynamics. This anthropological shift, makes us feel that the  future already arrived yesterday (or even last year). Therefore,  I think we have to run very fast to cope with the accelerated waves of shift and change in our lives and societies.
> > >  
> > > Khaled
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Khaled A. Islaih
> > > Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
> > > Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> > > Email: i...@khaledislaih.com Web:www.khaledislaih.com
> > > Blog:  Community Conversations
> > > Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
> > > Follow me on Twitter
>
> > >  
>
> > > --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > From: John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: RE: Transnational Value Networks
> > > To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 3:59 PM
>
> > > Hi Khaled –
> > >  
> > > Not so fast.
> > >  
> > > “I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world.”
> > >  
> > > On the contrary, diversity adds significant advantages to TVNs, particularly in ‘today’s mobile world.’
> > >  
> > > “traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.”
> > >  
> > > While it is not perfect or complete, enormous progress has been made. Structures like economic integration do not change overnight. However, the speed, depth and breadth has been simply amazing and really accelerated the practical deployment of TVNs.
> > >  
> > > In modern times, what you are concerned with was advanced by Alexander Hamilton over two hundred years ago. The basic federalist notion is that economic integration leads to political integration. (NOT the other way around.)
> > >  
> > > Today’s practical advantage is a ‘transnational’ worker in Idaho can easily take a job in Texas. All they need to do is maybe get a new drivers license from the ‘state’ in 30-days.. This transnational integration has driven the sharp economic growth of the ‘United’ States since the Civil War.
> > >  
> > > Hamilton’s principle is why the European Union exists, for example. It is the purpose of Maastricht, Euro, the EC, and all the other organizing foundations of federal Europe. The rest-of-world is relieved since the chance of federal economic states taking military action against each other is extremely low. Remember, economic integration leads political integration and… peace. Consider the probability of Alberta declaring war on Ontario.
> > >  
> > > The notion of a ‘transnational citizen’ absent an economic or political context is ridiculous. That’s the common mistake people make and the reason for conflict in the immigration debate. Citizenship is a privilege of the nation-state and will be for a long time to come. A guy from Ghana living in Manitoba will be seen as an immigrant by federalists in Ottawa for a long time to come.
> > >  
> > > For TVNs, there are considerable advantages to this diverse configuration particularly when paired with federal economic zones like the EU, United States, Canada, and so forth. The genius is value and diversity often transcends nationalism in TVNs, and in some regions and zones, socio-political patterns make TVNs a foregone conclusion!  
> > >  
> > > -j    
> > >    
> > >  
> > >  
>
> > > From: Value-N...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Value-N...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Khaled Islaih
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:02 PM
> > > To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks
> > >  
>
> > >  
>
> > > Hi John,
>
> > >  
>
> > > Thanks  for sharing this important posting. I think traditional nationalism and territorial  geography are limiting the potential of transnational value networks in today's mobile world. I see this in my work with immigrants (transnational citizens) in Canada. Immigrants are key nodes in transnational value networks. However,  traditional systems  and outdated representations  doesn't allow transnational citizens (formerly known as immigrants in the industrial age) to explore new networked / mobile spaces.
>
> > > Khaled
>
> > >  
>
> > >  
>
> > > Khaled A. Islaih
>
> > > Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
>
> > > Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
> > > Email: i...@khaledislaih.com Web:www.khaledislaih.com
> > > Blog:  Community Conversations
>
> > > Social Web:  Facebook  and LinkedIn 
>
> > > Follow me on Twitter
>
> > >  
>
> > > --- On Fri, 7/10/09, John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > From: John Maloney <jheuris...@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Transnational Value Networks
> > > To: Value-N...@googlegroups.com
> > > Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:40 AM
>
> > > Hi –
> > >  
> > > As value networks increase in breadth and scope, and span organizational and national boundaries, it is important to command a degree of cultural fluency to assure success. The portfolio of social intangibles that comprise customs, courtesies, lifestyle and expectations are essential to achieving favorable outcomes when operating internationally and interorganizationally.   
> > >  
> > > The language of networks is universal. Still, it is prudent and recommended
>
> ...
>
> read more »

Khaled Islaih

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Jul 16, 2009, 8:37:06 AM7/16/09
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David:
 
thank you.
You are helping me overcome neurolingusitic barriers with native English peakers. I am trying to communicate critical concepts with my globish English, It is not easy job.
 Yes please explain offline what do you mean?
 
It is time to facilitate inter-linguistic transfer so we can understand better and learn more,
Khaled
 
Khaled A. Islaih
Community Developer, Freelance Writer and Intercultural Speaker
Innovation - Collaboration - Transformation
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--- On Thu, 7/16/09, David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com> wrote:

From: David Meggitt <ma...@davidmeggitt.com>
Subject: Re: Transnational Value Networks
To: "Value Networks" <Value-N...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Thursday, July 16, 2009, 10:27 AM


Khaled,

Wise and perceptive observations again, thank you.

And here's the thing with value networks; move into role mode and you
tend to leave ego behind and engage in fruitful conversation, out of
which negotiated win-win agreements can emerge.  Make sense?
It's part of the value network analysis procedure, supplemented by
input from other disciplines.
Do you know what I mean?
If not, I'll explain off line.
Also start small.
David

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