Re: Complaint against Arun

[VBHC Vaibhava Anekal Apartment Owners Association]

Hi Nikunj

Your tenants had created lot of nuisance at midnight on last Friday in fully intoxicated mode, police from Anekal police station also visited your flat and security where also at that time..

Fyi: attached the videos.. this had been shared on all groups..

Instead of questioning your tenants you are abusing association and challenging the property manager who had taken action is completely wrong.. we also will handle this legally..

All owners in block16 know the incident and blood had been seen in the 7th floor and in the lift.. who is going to take responsibility for this fight.????

Other owners in block16 respond for this owners email to have peaceful night in your block..

Regards

VVAAOA

On 09-Dec-2017 9:03 PM, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

Your employee Arun ( GSM 7337798103 ) has threatened my tenant Harshini and took Rs. 2000 by forcefully taking her car keys and cutting electricity and water supply for my flat 16/706.

This is height of insanity and I am going to file a police complaint againt your association and Arun for same.

Also, tell me who is incharge for this association to whom a legal notice will be sent.

Best Regards,

Nikunj

[VBHC Vaibhava Anekal Apartment Owners Association]

Hi Nikunj

Whats the problem??? We don't understand your issue, could you please share the rental agreement and id proof of your tenants..

How many members stayed in your flat??

End of the story is a big fight happened because or by your tenants where in the blood drops where through out the lift and the 7th floor corridor also in your flat..

The right happy ed in the midnight and disturbed the neighbours sleep, police had come , security 5-6 guards wasted 4-5 hours in block16 to bring the issue down..

So you say your tenant created a big nuisance in the midnight and need to be treated royally..

Then you can do that don't expect our property manager to do that..

This issue had been raised in GBM if you are not vacating your tenant and paying fine of 10 k from your tenants deposit..

We will pass a board resolution for not to co-operate towards your flat maintainence services..

Regards

VVAAOA

On 10-Dec-2017 1:07 PM, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Find attached just a small clip, its inhuman behavior from Arun. I am ashamed that he is part of your association.

  VID-20171210-WA0001.mp4

  VID-20171210-WA0000.mp4

Regards,

Nikunj

On 10 Dec 2017 08:04, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I agree that what my tenant did was wrong and for that I have given her notice to vacate also.

But what Arun/Association did was also completely wrong. Nobody has right to switch off electricity/water supply , mentaly harrasing a student girl, take car keys and asking for money for same.

You are an association and should show maturity instead of taking law in your hands. 

What Arun did was just harrasment to my tenant which is a crime as per law and I want that Arun return the money and car keys which he took from my tenant.

If Arun deny of taking money i can send you a complete 15 min video recording of Arun taking money from my tenant and harrasing her badly.

Regards,

Nikunj

[Arindam patra]

Hi Nikunj,

It's an association.There will not be any in charge of such body.Legal notice?? Please go ahead.

Dear association and vbhc,

Time to unite and teach such tenants and owners. These are one who are responsible for spoiling ambience of VBHC.

Thanks,

Arindam Patra

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[Nikunj Arya]

Amazing .... Are you completely insane ??

You still dont understand your mistake ?. 

For you its ok for association to take revenge by cutting electricity water supply and take her car and asking for money ?

Are you law or judge to give punishment to someone ?

Immediately return my tenant car keys and money and appolozise. Else by today evening i will lodge an FIR against Arun and your association.

[Nikunj Arya]

Hello,

I agree that what my tenant did was wrong and for that I have given her notice to vacate also.

But what Arun/Association did was also completely wrong. Nobody has right to switch off electricity/water supply , mentaly harrasing a student girl, take car keys and asking for money for same.

You are an association and should show maturity instead of taking law in your hands. 

What Arun did was just harrasment to my tenant which is a crime as per law and I want that Arun return the money and car keys which he took from my tenant.

If Arun deny of taking money i can send you a complete 15 min video recording of Arun taking money from my tenant and harrasing her badly.

Regards,

Nikunj

On 9 Dec 2017 17:42, "VBHC Vaibhava Anekal Apartment Owners Association" <vva...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Nikunj Arya]

Find attached just a small clip, its inhuman behavior from Arun. I am ashamed that he is part of your association.

  VID-20171210-WA0001.mp4

  VID-20171210-WA0000.mp4

Regards,

Nikunj

[Basanta Nayak]

Hi Nikunj,

First of all you should thanks to the association members that they haven't put FIR against you. Instead asking and blaming to other Owner's and association you should vacant your tenant fisrt and then you can ask questions. Here association is doing great things and trying to sort out students nuisance and all of the remote and resident Owner's supported this. To let you know I am also remote Owner's and I fully agree on this and I believe all has to agree in sense of peace and society betterment.

It's your call now to take action/vacate this nasty tenant for whoom our society get blamed. Just think if you are staying and this incident happens to your side flat and then how much you will be disturbed.

@Assocition,

If you need my email support I am ready to give.

Regards,

Basanta

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[Thayabaran Murugesan]

Hi Nikunj,

I feel completely unsafe here because of your tenant, do you think only girls are staying there in you flat? Do you know how many boys coming there daily night? You come and stay here with your family then support them . Association is doing great job and bringing everything in control. 

Thaya

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[Nikunj Arya]

Dears,

I understand very well that my tenant is not fit for this society and i have given her a notice to vacate by end of this month.

But, my complaint was against the way situation was managed by association to cut electricity water supply. take her car keys and asking money to put back all things back in place. This type of behavior is dictatorship and association is not the law/judge to punish anyone in this way.

Anyways, Arun has returned the money and car keys to my tenant, so its ok for me now.

Regards,

Nikunj

[Venkatesh Selvappan]

Good owner..

For an unfit tenant , you had given one month notice????

Superb keep it up.. let's all owners praise you for your emails..

[Amit Jha]

Dear Owners/Association,

After getting multiple mails from you guys i thought to pen down below things - 

Being an owner of an apartment Mr Nikunj has every right to put his apartment on rent or give someone to his friends/relatives to stay (with money & without money no1s business to know) & he did that. Does he shared ID proof of those person with association who is staying there, I think he did - IF NOT his mistake. 

Now whoever is staying there - does anyone has any right to know and check how many people visiting the tenant -NOONE has rights other then Mr Nikunj. Please remember in below mails - u all were talking about a girl (with name) and mentioned multiple guys visiting her (who gave you right to name and shame a girl in public forum ?). 

When association raised a complain that the fight (whatever be the reason for fight) happened , what Mr Nikunj did - did he denied ?? No, he immediately gave notice to tenant and asked them to vacant the apartment. And also agreed to pay 10K for damage (btw what kind of damage ? Any property damage ??) What is did is absolutely right and correct. 

Now someone from society manager came and asked Money & got car keys etc,,, who is here who supports this act ? Remember when he is paying a maintenance NO1 has the authority to disconnect the common facility even BBMP can't do that - read a law about BBMP maintenance. So who is arrogant and took law in his hand ? 

Please do remember, we all know it very well that the fight or argument is happening in VBHC everywhere. Whether its bachelor, family, tenant or owners. No1 can stop that and NO owner can always keep eyes on tenant to check their activity, for that we have rules and association in VBHC. Owner can act ONLY on associations suggestion - which Mr Nikunj did without delay. 

So lets take a further note from below incident and share all information about our tenants to VBHC and stop this happening again in future. 

Please don't make any personal attack which is not fruitful. 

Happy stay. 

Thanks

Amit Jha

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[VBHC Vaibhava Anekal Apartment Owners Association]

First owner need to support the association..

Then we can plan something..

On 12-Dec-2017 11:03 AM, "subrat sahu" <subrat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

How can we ensure that this tenant will not get flat in some other block?

Noticed in past that few guys removed from Block-22 moved to Block-34.

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How can we ensure that this tenant will not get flat in some other block?

Noticed in past that few guys removed from Block-22 moved to Block-34.

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[Murugesan Appukutty]

We support association strongly in this matter.

thanks

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[Gopal Sahoo]

Dear Nikunj,

Before challenging association you should first understand the situation either from your neighborhood or BR. Association is elected by owners only and they are not enemies of non resident owners. You are blindly trusting your tenants. Association is doing a great job and we resident owners fully support in this incident. We will never tollorate this kind of nuisance at all. We need a peacefull life at VBHC.

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[sarath nerella]

All, 

I completely agree with the thoughts of Mr. Amit Jha.  Mr. Nikunj took prompt actions to resolve the concerns pointed by the association. 

Also, I have witnessed some folks here sharing views against renting out apartments to College students.  Please understand that most of the owners who don't reside in here have purchased the apartments from an investment point of view.  

While I don't appreciate the nuiesence being created by a section of tenants who happen to be students,  I also don't endorse a blanket statement saying that the apartments can't be let out to students. Unfortunately so, they are the only target market for rentals in this area. 

Therefore would request the association to come up with stringent regulations in the interest of most of the owners who don't reside in VBHC.

Best, 

Sarath 

[Murugesan Appukutty]

Hope RFID would address the issue mentioned at point (1)  "strangers during evening or late night time"

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 4:59 PM, preetam kumar <p.ku...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

1. People who have bought flats as an investment, kindly ensure you/ your tenants are bound to act according to the societal norms which are not found written anywhere including law e.g. a normal person after working for 10 hours and traveling for 2-3 hours wants to have a quality time with his family during the evening/ night time. He wants to sleep peacefully. During that time, One should not be selfish to enjoy with friends or strangers during evening or late night time by making noise more than the accepted level or getting into fights and disturbing other families. 

2. Just by giving photo I’d proofs doesn’t mean that now every responsibility rests with the association. But if yes, then let’s allow the association to take actions depending on the situation and the parties involved. However, not taking law into the hands.

3. Kindly support the association in such cases as the pain of those annoying situations can only be understood by the residents but not the ones having an investment done within a society comprising of other people.

4. Sometimes I feel, what would be going in the minds of the kids, juniors. Are we matured people leaving a positive impression on them. What must an old person suffering from one or the other problem be going through when he hears / sees young people fighting around. 

4. In so many other forums, I have people heard saying Electricity should not be cut. It’s an illegal activity. Agreed.

However, if so much of legality is understood then please do not hesitate in immediately putting a complain/case against BESCOM. Our society on most working days doesn’t get electricity and that too for long hours. Please come forward and put case against the government. All owners and tenants are suffering because of this.

In the end, I would repeat and urge association for taking all possible actions ( within the legal framework) which can help all the residents (not investors) to live peacefully.

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[Sridhar Babu]

Hai all,

Going by the recent developments regarding the nuisance incident, it pains to notice that most of residents are having a opinion either FOR or AGAINST.

First things first, its down right unfortunate that the incident took place, that too in a flat where a girl stays as a tenant.

All said and done, in my personal opinion, to avoid such incidents in future, a humble suggestion to fellow owners who rent out their flats is include the clauses No.9 & 14 as in the attached pic which I have included in my agreement.

There is no guarantee that this will stop all nuisance all together, but then this will atleast act as a deterrent to the tenants who will be under pressure to act more appropriately.

Hoping that we will be more accommodating towards other co-owners in addressing their issues, rather than being sarcastic.

Warm regards

P.Sridhar Babu

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[rakesh8250]

Hi,

I support association strongly in this matter. Such kind of nuciense are not acceptable in society. 

Thanks

Rakesh 

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Subject: Re: Complaint against Arun

We support association strongly in this matter.

thanks

Murugesh

On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:19 AM, Nikunj Arya <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dears,

I understand very well that my tenant is not fit for this society and i have given her a notice to vacate by end of this month.

But, my complaint was against the way situation was managed by association to cut electricity water supply. take her car keys and asking money to put back all things back in place. This type of behavior is dictatorship and association is not the law/judge to punish anyone in this way.

Anyways, Arun has returned the money and car keys to my tenant, so its ok for me now.

Regards,

Nikunj

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[preetam kumar]

Dear all,

1. People who have bought flats as an investment, kindly ensure you/ your tenants are bound to act according to the societal norms which are not found written anywhere including law e.g. a normal person after working for 10 hours and traveling for 2-3 hours wants to have a quality time with his family during the evening/ night time. He wants to sleep peacefully. During that time, One should not be selfish to enjoy with friends or strangers during evening or late night time by making noise more than the accepted level or getting into fights and disturbing other families. 

2. Just by giving photo I’d proofs doesn’t mean that now every responsibility rests with the association. But if yes, then let’s allow the association to take actions depending on the situation and the parties involved. However, not taking law into the hands.

3. Kindly support the association in such cases as the pain of those annoying situations can only be understood by the residents but not the ones having an investment done within a society comprising of other people.

4. Sometimes I feel, what would be going in the minds of the kids, juniors. Are we matured people leaving a positive impression on them. What must an old person suffering from one or the other problem be going through when he hears / sees young people fighting around. 

4. In so many other forums, I have people heard saying Electricity should not be cut. It’s an illegal activity. Agreed.

However, if so much of legality is understood then please do not hesitate in immediately putting a complain/case against BESCOM. Our society on most working days doesn’t get electricity and that too for long hours. Please come forward and put case against the government. All owners and tenants are suffering because of this.

In the end, I would repeat and urge association for taking all possible actions ( within the legal framework) which can help all the residents (not investors) to live peacefully.

Regards

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Amit Jha

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[kln Murthy]

Dear residents,

I am living in VBHC from may,2015, thinking that this place might be free from all disturbances. But I never felt that. 

My old age parents r asking me, why can't we move out from here. My kids r also asking me, what's going on  here, whenever any fight happens. 

I think so many residents brought flat here to live happily & peacefully with their family, very few owners might have brought for investment purpose. 

As I observed here, so many tenants are living here without proper rental agreements. Owners are also not renewing them...

I request non resident owners that before renting out your flat to anyone, just think twice about r they going maintain my property well and may not disturb society. Please collect all necessary documents & compulsorily make rental agreement (include the names of tenants)and renew it periodically...

Association means a group of like minded owners, who r working voluntarily for the benefit of our society.  They r also working professionals as we are.

I request resident owners, please involve yourself in development works in society,whenever u r Free...

At least attend the GBM without fail, to know what's happening in our society...

Just blaming association is not all right, without knowing real facts..

Thanks,

KLNMurthy

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[Nikunj Arya]

Dear,

My tenant is a Mba student and the argument happened was between two boys during a group party in her flat as both were drunk.

Well, under no circumstances you or anyone is allowed to use business or prostitution type of words for a student girl whom you dont even know.

Remember she is also daughter/sister of someone and if you dont know how to respect someone, at least dont disrespect.

Greetings,

Nikunj

On 12 Dec 2017 15:48, "Arindam patra" <arindam_...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Who knows..may be Mr.Nikunj is also involved in the business going on in his flat.

He is trying hard to make his business partners feel comfortable.

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Who knows..may be Mr.Nikunj is also involved in the business going on in his flat.

He is trying hard to make his business partners feel comfortable.

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[rajshekhar hujarati]

Please remove my name from mail list, thanks 

[Krishnaveni Nambi]

Our support is for the association. They are doing a great job. 

While owners have a right to let out, they also have a responsibility to ensure their tenants lead a decent life without impacting others. If the owners don’t act, association has to step in.

Amit Jha

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[Manjunath KP]

Dear Nikunj,

With highest respect to you, rule of the thumb is, one's right for anything ends when other's begins. She may be right or wrong but what matters is other neighbours got disturbed from it.

If she is a student, she should behave like one. Boozing and fighting in the middle of the night does not go down well as a decent behaviour IMHO. Secondly, if you think that getting drunk was an excuse enough for any deeds, imagine, had that fight been fatal, it would have brought upon a lot of trouble to you being the owner of the house. If so, would you have repeated the same thing, they got drunk and ignore ?.

Thanks

Manjunath

 

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[Nikunj Arya]

Dear,

I never said that I will ignore it. Ofcourse thats not the way to live in a residential society. Parties/Public Gatherings must not be allowed after 10 pm in residencial societies.

As mentioned before, the tenant has been given notice and she will vacate by this month end.

But, everyone lets please end this matter here and not stretch it too much.

Thanks a lot for all your views/opinions and it definately strenthens owners unity.

Cheers,

Nikunj

[VBHC Vaibhava Anekal Apartment Owners Association]

Hi Nikunj

Collect the fine amount from your tenant and transfer to association account..

Association had taken action will share it sooner.. but expect action from your end..

Thanks

VVAAOA

[Deep]

Dear owners,

I respect both sides and of the opinion that both sides did their best of their capabilities and respected each other. Also, we are all human beings who wants to be safe always and on the other side we must respect every individual without pointing out fingers in public forums like this, as we have NO rights for the same. 

I appreciate the 1st set of rules shared by association.  I have tweaked these very little bit to honour everyones safety and shared this email to my Tenant personally:

Hi,

Please ensure that you follow the below Rules & Regulations of society very strictly. Any non-compliance to these will not be tolerated. Also, forward these to your fellow colleagues who are staying in VBHC.

✓ NO bringing outsiders.

✓ NO Outsider is allowed to stay in flat.

✓ obeying security rules.

✓ strictly no pets.

✓ park your vehicles only in allocated parking lot.

✓ No messing up with common Areas.

✓ No Drugs / Alcohol /Smoking to be done inside the premises.

Thanks,

Deepak

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[Pranjal-A Narayan]

Dear All,

 

I tend to agree with Amit and Sridhar. Who someone rents the apartment out to is up-to the owner however we should also ensure that if the tenant do not behave, we are able to legally ask them to vacate the premises at a short notice.

 

Dear Resident Owners,

 

I would probably be stating this on behalf of all non-resident owners – the intent behind renting out the apartment is not to spoil the environment in VBHC. In fact, even if some are only interested in investments, a spoilt name only decreases the property values. However, what also needs to be understood is that the apartment cannot be left empty. Loads of us have loans to repay. Others have bought an apartment as an investment and have all the right to gain out of it.

 

If you believe students are an issue, provide alternatives. I am sure most of non-resident owners are not biased towards students. If there are enough working individuals / families keen on renting the apartment, they will be more than happy to rent it to them. However, if there are no alternatives, it cannot be expected that they keep the apartment vacant.

 

What we need to find is a process such that the non-resident owners can continue to gain monetarily while ensuring that the tenants are stay-worthy. Meanwhile, if tenants do cause undue nuisance, the contracts should have enough guidelines in place to have them vacated on a short notice (I state short notice as I do not have the heart to kick some one out of their abode on a day’s notice. Probably 2 weeks should still be provided to let them make alternate arrangements).

 

An email from association stated that student fights are the biggest challenge for the residents today. Being owner’s representatives, my suggestion would be for association to step-in and help select the right tenant.

 

1.       Create a DO NOT Rent list

a.       students who have created an issue and were vacated earlier

b.      Families / Individuals who created issues e.g. non-payment of rent , property damage etc.

c.       Since all owners are/will share tenant details with the association, please check and provide them feedback on such tenants

2.       Create a PROBABLE TENANTS list

a.       Anyone seeking an apartment in VBHC could approach the Association / maintenance office

b.      These tenants could be vetted by the association in advance [documents requested by the association from tenants could be collected in advance]

c.       When an owner informs the association of an intent to rent out, his email / phone could be shared with all the probable tenants

3.       This will help the owners make an educated decision on whom to rent the flat to

4.       There will of-course be instances where-in tenants are rented out from outside the list, however the fail-safe in contract and vetting of documents are good deterrents for them to behave

 

As Sridhar said, to have an absolute For / Against notion on any particular group doesn’t help. It just divides us. Let’s help each other find the right fit and if a mistake is made and tenant is unworthy, let’s have options to impose fines / ask for the flat to be vacated. My only request is to be cordial in exchanges and not use derogatory remarks during these discussions. It’s simply not fruitful.

 

Kind Regards,
Pranjal

 

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Hai all,

Amit Jha

 

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[Nikunj Arya]

Hello,

Who are you to ask money ? Share your name.

This is against which damage/cost ? It comes under which law/agreement ? Send me the contract/details for same.

As i told that my tenant is a student and I can't put additional burden for same. 

So, dont use this oppurtunity for benifit.

Regards,

Nikunj

[Amit Jha]

Dear Association, 

I agree with Nikunj. Why he should transfer money to association ? 

@Association - Please remember because of your approval to honey bee guys - MY APARTMENT got burned out, some personal looses also happened, did i ask any compensation or did you offer any compensation ??

@All Owners - Let me tell you what happened to my apartment , let me clarify. 

---Last Month, one honey bee guy came to VBHC to take out honey from my apartment balcony - neither me nor my tenant complained about this to association. 

-- VBHC maintenance guys allowed him into that block, handed over the roof key and allowed that guy to pour petrol in my balcony. 

-- No security guys were present with honey bee guys. 

-- Because of the petrol my balcony catches fire, check attached picture and imagine the amount of petrol were allowed inside the apartment ? 

Please take a note that NO1 was inside the apartment during that time and that was the best thing of that day. 

When i raised my concern to association, they said - they will keep custody of honey bee and let him pay for this. That poor guy called me and cried a lot and said " VBHC association allowed me inside and they supported the activity ". 

When i asked association they tried to make me fool by saying - 

- VBHC association didn't allow that guy. Really , if you guys didn't allow than WHO gave keys to honey bee guys ? The roof keys was given by property manager. 

- Why security guys allowed that person to come inside society with such amount of petrol ? 

I spoke with Manjunath -he said, he will make sure vendor will fix the door & paint house & he asked me NOT to ask any questions to association else your work couldn't be finished ( i have call records of that). 

Now all owners --  who is doing monopoly here ? I have a student tenant in my apartment & whose furniture , curtons etc,, got burned out -did he fought with association or anyone ? Did he or me asked for compensation ? 

Think if this is your apartment what could have you guys done and handled ? I am asking Manjunath what you would have done sir , when you get a call and got to you your apartment was set on fire because association allowed someone with petrol ? 

What are you guys views about this ? Please be clear and read above carefully. 

@Association - I request you please don't make monopoly and rules by yourself. 

Thanks

Amit Jha

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[Nikunj Arya]

Guys,

I am holding this apartment since the begining..I never had so many issues with maintainance/association which are coming up in last few months even after I regularly pay maintainance charges.

Plumber not coming, water leakage not getting fixed, students can't be tenants anymore, switching off elec/water supply like association own my apartment, capturing my tenants car, asking bribe, asking baseless penalty and now burning Amit balcony with carelessness.

Many of these are criminal offenses and I have already talked to my lawyer. She is ready to file a case against association and its key members. Their monopoly must be stopped.

Till now I am not clear that who (name) is taking association decision like he bought the complete building.

You all can send me your complaints and I will add it together with my case.

@Amit, do I have your permission to send your case to my lawyer? you must get compensation for damage.

Greetings,

Nikunj

[Arvind Yadav]

Nikunj it's easy to say that Association should call police and its becomes easier than ever when you just have to say over email. 😢

Regards,

Arvind Yadav

On Dec 15, 2017 1:27 AM, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear,

Legally no one can stop any owner to keep student tenants and since college is nearby so it make sense that student rent these cheap accomodations.

At most we can do is to put some rules in place and float it everywhere. And in case of any fight or non complaince of rules. Association should call police rather than taking law in their hand.

Regards,

Nikunj

On 14 Dec 2017 10:33, "Balkisan Gogi" <balkis...@tatahousing.com> wrote:

I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Complaint against Arun

 

I AM WITH ASSOCIATION. 

 

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[Venkatesh Selvappan]

Hi Amit

What you say is 💯 percent wrong..

Your flat had been painted and the door had been fixed by arrow (maintainence vendor)

If it's mistake from association will they do it???

After all.possible ways of helping you with the recovery of your flat from accident still you are complaining association..

Keep it up....

Regards

VVAAOA

[Basanta Nayak]

Hi Association,

We agreed your actions and that is correct to control the nuisance. This type of Owner's always here to complaint and support students and only gives suggestion and any point of time they will not come forward to help and support association and resident.

Regards,

Basanta

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[sanku]

The kind of disturbances that we take regularly because of student tenants is neither have got any logic or any legal substance. It is definitely possible legally to make a resolution in our general body meeting and not allow this absolute nuisance any more. Many resident assocviations in Bangalore and other places have similar resolutions in place.

They would vacate form one apartment and go settle in another one with help of petty minded dallals also residing within this campus. We do not have any bandwidth to deal with this selectively any more. A resolution to stop student tenants is the only logical solution. This is afterall is not a hostel.

Yestarday itself there was againa huge fight near 27 and 28 which Murthy have raised in aseparate email chain today morning - why should we deal with these at midnight and early morning only to ensure some non resident owners profit making? At this rate family tenats will be scared to rent accomodation here.

We have seen prostitution, drugs, bloody fights, property damages, and what not! all starting from this student tennats - its true that all are not bad - but why do we have to spend ourselves on determining who is good and who is bad?

I request residents please come forward and take this special resolution in our next meeting.

And for this particular case - I request Association or security - please please lodge a formal FIR with help from a lawyer mentioning the responsibility of the owner as well and let us see what comes up as right and what wrong. Let the owner come from his safe heaven and appear before police to explain his side of story - that would not be this easy like sending emails.

Best Regards,

Kausik

 

 

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[VBHC Vaibhava Anekal Apartment Owners Association]

Police came that day and taken videos .. 

Still couldn't understand only one lady stay then how come so many students (guys) came in 2-4 cars????

The fight was big and in 1 car students escaped.. what would kids learn from these kind of tenants..

So many owners stay in block16 witnessed blood through out the floor and lift..

Couldn't understand why the owner of the flat is so much adamant in opposing the association..????

Law is favour for all, we as an association needs to file a case on this owner and tenants for disturbing public at midnight.. 

Association has all the rights to ask.for the rental agreement as a owner Nikunj must explain why so many visitors came and partied which is against law..

Regards

VVAAOA

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You are telling that we should call police for such incidents, I would like to tell you that even police is fed up with student issues at VBHC because every now and then something happens.

 

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Subject: RE: Complaint against Arun

 

Nikunk I stay with ASSOCIATION and oppose you.......

 

On 14 Dec 2017 4:10 pm, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear,

 

Legally no one can stop any owner to keep student tenants and since college is nearby so it make sense that student rent these cheap accomodations.

 

At most we can do is to put some rules in place and float it everywhere. And in case of any fight or non complaince of rules. Association should call police rather than taking law in their hand.

 

Regards,

Nikunj

On 14 Dec 2017 10:33, "Balkisan Gogi" <balkis...@tatahousing.com> wrote:

I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Complaint against Arun

 

I AM WITH ASSOCIATION. 

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[rakesh8250]

I am staying in society and strongly oppose to Nikunj. My brother is also a lawyer in Mumbai high court and i consulted him. Association have full authorities to take such kind of action and send a written notice to owner who are supproting such crimanal activities.

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Subject: RE: Complaint against Arun

IF SOME ONE TEASE MY WIFE OR MY KIDS I WILL OPPOSE AND SAFEGUARD MY KIDS NOT THE POLICE

 I MEAN WHAT THE ASSOCIATION PEOPLE  Says..

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[Balkisan Gogi]

You are telling that we should call police for such incidents, I would like to tell you that even police is fed up with student issues at VBHC because every now and then something happens.

 

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Subject: RE: Complaint against Arun

 

Nikunk I stay with ASSOCIATION and oppose you.......

 

On 14 Dec 2017 4:10 pm, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear,

 

Legally no one can stop any owner to keep student tenants and since college is nearby so it make sense that student rent these cheap accomodations.

 

At most we can do is to put some rules in place and float it everywhere. And in case of any fight or non complaince of rules. Association should call police rather than taking law in their hand.

 

Regards,

Nikunj

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I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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I AM WITH ASSOCIATION. 

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[Santosh Mahadap]

Nikunk I stay with ASSOCIATION and oppose you.......

On 14 Dec 2017 4:10 pm, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear,

Legally no one can stop any owner to keep student tenants and since college is nearby so it make sense that student rent these cheap accomodations.

At most we can do is to put some rules in place and float it everywhere. And in case of any fight or non complaince of rules. Association should call police rather than taking law in their hand.

Regards,

Nikunj

On 14 Dec 2017 10:33, "Balkisan Gogi" <balkis...@tatahousing.com> wrote:

I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Complaint against Arun

 

I AM WITH ASSOCIATION. 

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[Amit Jha]

Dear Association/Owners, 

We will achieve nothing by blaming each other. At the end of the day we all have to listen association and follow their instructions. Association memebers are not professionally hired persons, they are also a part of society and there to there make our life easy. 

My suggestion is to start using MYGATE app. This is wonderful app to help us to approve, reject and track particular entry in particular apartment. Using this we can generate a report at the given time and shared with owner to inform the number of entries there.

This will also help owner to track activities in his/her apartment and association can use it as a proof about entries. 

Lets start using it and keep eye on our apartment. 

Thanks

Amit Jha

[Nikunj Arya]

Dear,

Legally no one can stop any owner to keep student tenants and since college is nearby so it make sense that student rent these cheap accomodations.

At most we can do is to put some rules in place and float it everywhere. And in case of any fight or non complaince of rules. Association should call police rather than taking law in their hand.

Regards,

Nikunj

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I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Complaint against Arun

 

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[Nikunj Arya]

Hello,

So when police came during that night, and the matter was with police then why association took law in their hand and cut electricty/water supply and captered her car and asked bribe ? 

Only upon call from my lawyer Arun returned the money and car keys.l to my tenant.

and after that i heard some guy Venkat started asking bribe from my tenant.

This association is full of these kinda of people and it is like gundaraaj.

Could you tell me the name of responsible people of this association ? like president/secretary names and contact details ?

Regards,

Nikunj

[Balkisan Gogi]

I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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[Santosh Mahadap]

IF SOME ONE TEASE MY WIFE OR MY KIDS I WILL OPPOSE AND SAFEGUARD MY KIDS NOT THE POLICE

 I MEAN WHAT THE ASSOCIATION PEOPLE  Says..

On 14 Dec 2017 4:16 pm, "Santosh Mahadap" <mahadap...@gmail.com> wrote:

[wallman16]

Hi ,

Sorry to barge in . There are lot of mail and replies .

But can someone tell me if  is there no security or no gate in VBHC .

If there is security, dont they have register to control the people and vehicle in and out VBHC . If so why do you need security .

If you can set a rule like visitor timing for student and such sort of stuff will it not solve the whole problem that all you guys are facing 

Why are you concentrating on other things rater than solve at the base line .

Thanking you

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[Akhilesh Mishra]

I am agree with Nikunj. Now it's becoming fashion to complain against students. Stop these moral policing. Why you guys stretching these incidents. Plz stop these discussions now.

Have some tolrence. 

I think not all students are bad . Few do mistake then take action. But plz stop this being against students.

Association is to help the flat owners. Not for disturbing them.

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[Santosh Mahadap]

I AM WITH ASSOCIATION. 

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[subrat sahu]

Hi Nikunj,

My suggestion is, ask the tenant to vacate asap do not wait till month end.

There are many ladies pg to shift near chandapura so not an issue.

Look for family tenant and move forward.

10k fine is to bring control on such kind of issue, it is not to earn money for association.

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[Nikunj Arya]

All,

Please be very clear that I will not pay or let my tenant pay any penalty or bribe to association.

For the trouble and harrasment to my tenant we are in contact with lawyer to file a case against Arun/Venkat and association.

Also, my tenant will stay till i want her to stay and you are nobody to ask me what i should do. BE VERY CLEAR !!

I am not going to answer further and waste my time on you guys. 

My lawyer will take this matter legally and untill then my tenant is not going anywhere. 

She will continue staying now !!!

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[subrat sahu]

No one can stop but please ensure that as per "Section 268 of the Indian Penal code", activities should not impact neighbours.

[VBHC Vaibhava Anekal Apartment Owners Association]

Hi Nikunj

Please share valid rental agreement.. as we had recieved complaint from neighbours and security..

We need to know the reason why too many visitors had visited your flat by midnight..

Regards

VVAAOA

[rakesh8250]

I would suggest no one should take on ego. Wrong will need right. I am also residing in Vbhc and we can not tollerate such kind of legal threatening. 

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[Romila Mukherjee]

Seems its time to take a look legally into matters relating to disruption of Societal norms of residing as tenants  and hire a strong legal counsel to counter owners' unjust stand against unruly behavior of their tenants....

Association, please look into hiring a strong legal counsel, who is able to initiate a legal, punitive stand against such owners and their tenants...

Willing to contribute towards legal expense for the cause....

Thanks & regards

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[Arindam patra]

Wow..thats sounds just perfect...now lets take is legally...i am sure there must be some lawyers staying in vbhc who can come forward for a good cause....

I stand with Romila mam...willing to pay for this cause..


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[Arindam patra]

Hello vbhc,

He would have sounded completely different if he would have been staying here and have faced those disturbances that night.

Someone else in his place would have closed it long back by giving some penalty from his pocket or his tenants pocket. He is not understanding that such action will restrict such cases in future and this money will be used in the premises of his flat.He cannot threaten his tenants but can threaten an association. 

I am very sure he has taken this as investment and has no plans to stay here considering the way he is presenting things for vbhc.

Bribe...we call it fine..i am very sure he is educated enough to understand the difference..fine is for creating all such nuisance..fine amount for the damage caused..fine for stopping such nuisance in future...

Coming to legal case..we are together and most of us are in favour of association.No one can fight against a system specially in this case where police has recorded clips and association decisions would be a closure for sure.

I don’t why he need name...its an association and legal notice can be given againt an association.

We can’t alaways blame students for spoiling vbhc..such people encourage such nuisance and students to do such nuisance.

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[Gajanan Pattar]

Hi, 

It is true that we can not generalise because few people are trouble makers.  I have been seeing many suggestions by other members. Why can't we have few do's and don'ts for tenants and we can ask tenants to sign these rules along with agreement so that it works as the preventive measure. 

Secondly, I visited VBHC after 2 years as I live outside Bangalore. I was talking to one young security guy (a gun man). What he told me zapped me. He said there are only 18 security people for all 36 blocks (pardon my ignorance about correct number of blocks). I think there are more than 1500 blocks in VBHC. He said every day there are many incidence of some nuisance by students and on an average there are at least 5-6 incidents every day. When I asked him how do they deal with it,  he said they try to control or else they call OUTSIDE PEOPLE people to control the nuisance. This is horrible. If security agency is seeking help of outsiders to control the nuisance how safe we are in the complex. Also does anyone in the association aware of this issue. What is stopping us from increasing security personnel so that security issues are taken care of.  

I do not have complete information on the security arrangements. But what security guy told me left me thinking about the security of the families living there. 

My request is, security of the residents is utmost importance to everyone. If we have good security arrangements some of the potential problems can be avoided. Office bearers  should review the security arrangements and take necessary action. If members have to shell out few more bucks it's worth it. It is better to be safe than sorry. 

Regards 

Gajanan Pattar 

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[Arpan Mishra]

Calling them students is an abuse. Please coin better term. For correction please approach Alliance college to open a rehab centres for them. Even if any better suggestion you have, please write to Alliance Management who are minting money from there parents and seems completely morally bankrupt college.

On 22-Dec-2017 10:25 PM, "BALAMURUGAN" <balamurug...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear friends,

I request association to be fair both to owners and to students. Once again, I reiterate that let us punish erring occupants (whether students, family, bachelor etc etc) rather than punishing one group of our fabric called "students". 

As adults, we play bigger role in correcting / guiding / talking and if required, punishing youngsters but not banning them from living where they want. I do not know what will happen if some students take legal recourse, since if all associations ban students, where our youngsters are going to stay ?!!

So I feel the owners play a big role in correcting students if they are erring rather than completely eliminating their presence in midst of us. And move on to more constructive and positive subjects, of which many are available. Can we spread cheer, positive energy and charm rather than just circulating only gloomy and not so positive sounding subjects and mails for such a long time ?

Rgds

Bala

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I am partially agree with nikunj and others. For any small issues people targeting students(by forgetting that every one was student once). Problems in such a huge society is common. As if no fight happens in family. But one thing i notice that having male students is not an issue but having girls is creating more. Once i rented two girls in my flat and suffered a lot. Most of the outsiders used to visit the flat. With in 8 months i made them to vacate. Now no issues

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[Arpan Mishra]

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[BALAMURUGAN]

Dear friends,

I request association to be fair both to owners and to students. Once again, I reiterate that let us punish erring occupants (whether students, family, bachelor etc etc) rather than punishing one group of our fabric called "students". 

As adults, we play bigger role in correcting / guiding / talking and if required, punishing youngsters but not banning them from living where they want. I do not know what will happen if some students take legal recourse, since if all associations ban students, where our youngsters are going to stay ?!!

So I feel the owners play a big role in correcting students if they are erring rather than completely eliminating their presence in midst of us. And move on to more constructive and positive subjects, of which many are available. Can we spread cheer, positive energy and charm rather than just circulating only gloomy and not so positive sounding subjects and mails for such a long time ?

Rgds

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I am partially agree with nikunj and others. For any small issues people targeting students(by forgetting that every one was student once). Problems in such a huge society is common. As if no fight happens in family. But one thing i notice that having male students is not an issue but having girls is creating more. Once i rented two girls in my flat and suffered a lot. Most of the outsiders used to visit the flat. With in 8 months i made them to vacate. Now no issues

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[Anirban Sinha]

Dear respected Sirs & Madams,

 

Hypothetical views however novel may sometimes not match with ground realities. I know because I had them once but seems reality is entirely different.

 

Our ground realities are pathetic to say the least & it seems quite impossible to control a crowd of 500 students baying for violence.

When police cannot control them first hand, even by being present during the violence, who can do that ?

 

Yes,  we all were students once & students do what they do. But 500 students do something else than 5 to 10 students. That is the raw fact that is making vbhc a painful place to live while the neighbouring communities are comparatively peaceful because they have agreed to control by unity.

 

If you have not experienced it first hand like we are doing, please be responsible at least in your communications & reserve your views to yourself.

 

It’s not that the Association is purposely trying to stop your entitlement to your rental income or whatever. We respect your rights just like we have our rights.

We simply don’t have any other ways left out of this then to BEG YOU to support us in stopping this student menace.

The only way out is to not allow them in such huge numbers in the first place !

 

Please consider the sincere help required by a co-owner AND HIS FAMILY before making your decision.

 

Regards

Anirban Sinha.

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[Syed Najaf]

Mr. Maheshwari,

As much as I commend the way you have tried to put your point across unfortunately it does not serve its purpose.

Allow me to explain why in an example - 

Cons:

Student V Tennant - When a snake bites you, you do not go to the doctor and say 'The Animal Kingdom' bit me. The doctor will for sure ask you more questions to get the correct data from you so that he can diagnose the problem correctly. (Hope you can connect the dots of my implication here).

Talking about the drink etc that you mentioned, let me let you in on a little secret that you already know - The key is being responsible, you want to drink or smoke or play music its up to you, do it responsibly without hampering the people around you. I really don't think that its too much to ask is it?

Talking about driving rash - I thought you would be a little more mature to mention this and let it slide.

80-90% Students are not bad - I'm sorry Mr. Maheshwari but I object! 

I really believe that is wrong for a number of reasons, I'm not sure if you have seen the video and the number of students that were out there that day the problem is its become a bushel of bad apples (Students not tenants, not owners)

Trust me I have been staying in VBHC for 5 years to know the 'Whats What' of things!

I am not saying that issues don't happen with grown ups in there own homes but hey we are in the 21st century and I guess a lot of them know what they are doing if not then they need to kick that rock that they are living under.

And also request you to pull up all the complaint that have gone in the past, let me know if any owner or family man/woman has been responsible to disturb the sanctity of our society, and even if I am proven wrong the ratio might be 95-5% favouring the good ones. But please feel free to do your research.

Pros:

You mentioned about how you were responsible enough to keep interacting with you tennants and ensuring your flat was kept clean etc honestly I commend you and should be a practice of all the owners who have rented out there flats (Students/Bachelors/Family). Trust me the association has been saying the same thing for a long time.

Just to give you a little background Mr. Maheshwari, My name is Syed Najaf, I am from Bihar - Patna Zila, was born in Arrah. I have been in Bangalore since 2002, I'm 33 years old and have 2 beautiful boys and a responsible hard working wife, and I work hard everyday to ensure they have a good life and they FEEL SAFE! I'm sure this is the case with all the owners here at VBHC Vaibhava.

As you can imagine from my age I was a student about 10 years back and because of the "Bihariness" in me I was hot headed and used you feel like a king everyday. I have lived in hostels, independent houses and apartments in my student days and bachelor years and I have personally faced these on going issues in the past. Hence now that I am responsible and understand the ups and downs of life and as a parent I don't want my society to go through the same and correcting the ways as we go along.

Same works in life as well, you protect your kids from the rubbish you have seen in your experience and try and eradicate all the bad. Please correct me if I am wrong. Same goes at work the company uses your experience to ensure that they don't make the same mistakes the other companies have made to ensure speedy delivery of the product.

Hence what I guess I am implying is eradicating the big bad i.e. and I'm sorry you feel strongly about this but the STUDENTS are the bad elements because they feel they are untouchable and no one tells them what to do because its there money it's their car it's there electricity its there water and they are young but where is my peace sir? a very simple question.

We all worked so hard and for most of the owners here like me it's there first real estate  purchase and maybe the last one don't they and I deserve that peace when we get back from work to kick back and relax?

Food for thought Mr. Maheswari!

Happy New Year to you too in Prestige Shanti(missing from our lives)niketan!

Regards,

Syed Najaf

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 2:45 PM, YK Maheshwari <ykm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Attitude -towards society in general is important.  

Any owner/tenant -  can fight, drink, do rash driving or play loud music. He need not be a  "Student".

We don't need to label , these folks as "only Students are bad in the campus and should be banned". Why we do it, since we all think, after 

college , our behaviour changes. In reality its not true. 

If you say all "Students " are bad, then I would say "Bihari's are also bad ". In reality its not true. 

Everyone from Bihar , does not mean , he is corrupt  like Lalu Yadav. 

Bihar and Patna produces, Super 30, highest number of MBA and other competitive exam , IAS type of people as well. 

I don't stay in VBHC.  Have had few tenants,in past 6 yrs.  They were very neat , kept the flat clean and maintained well. 

( both genre - girl staying or boy staying as student or working guy ..) 

After seeing their upkeep. I have no issues with a bachelor or a student.   

I normally provide them advance warning and info on do's and don't , related to their expected behaviour in campus. 

After inspecting the flat after 1-2 months stay , I visit the flat, check if its clean or dirty , if any neighbour complains, 

then the tenant is chucked out , even if he is a working guy, married, vegetarian or a student.

One of the educated guy working in a large MNC , lived like a shit in the flat. I had to send him off in 3 months.

so in summary - 80-90% students are good and remaining 10%  needs to be alerted , if they dont behave properly. 

We are all socially well connected. 

Few things, if you find anyone drinking, driving rash, then just collect his college ID,faculty name, college name , 

parent number, call them and you will find , his behaviour changes overnight. 

Their parents don't send them here to drink and go merry. 

Happy new year 2018. 

 

On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Ankur Srivastava <anku...@rediffmail.com> wrote:

Hi Owners,

There are multiple polling which VVAAOA is conducting on norms for renting the flat at VBHC.

Request all of you to go ahead and voice your opinion by voting. This will ensure your opinion is documented. Even if a legal position needs to be taken by any of us in future this can be reffered to.

Beware, If you do not vote which results in the other option winning, this poll results will be sighted as the documented proof respresting the view of majority. Hence plz vote.

Note - I would suggest you to take a position either by voting for or against the question asked. AVOID chosing the option "Neutral" as that respresents that you are ok with any decision being taken and it's left to anybody's interpretation basis which way the decision is desired to be swung.

Every voice counts, so vote.

Thanks

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[Kashyap Hosdurga]

Looks like people who are not staying in VBHC are giving "gyan" to others (anyways we Indians are good only in that). The neighborhood has become pathetic off late. I don't see any "non-student" creating any issue. Keeping the house clean is an individual choice and doesn't impact the neighborhood, but riding bikes/cars at 100 kmph inside/shouting at 1-2 am and vomiting in the lift/stairs are not acceptable. I have seen students carrying hukkha bottles openly in broad day light.

Who ever is saying that we need to be guiding the students as a society has either lot of time on his/her hand OR is just being sarcastic i guess.

[madduri sankara sarma]

Investor non residing owners,who do not stay at VBHV Vaibhava are at great luxury , comfort and making fun of the sufferings of the residents. They write in great length of feel good things.
Dear Non Resident Owners (those who have been mailing in favour of STUDENTS)! I pray God to prevail commen sense while writing feel good statements. Association Members are freely volunteering to do good for the residents,where as you people have been going on mailing in favour of trouble makers and advising for policing and guide them. Such writing are made,just to take care of your income on the investment. VBHC has become a safe haven for so many illegal activities. The days are not far of identifying antisocial people (like terrorists) here, if the trouble makers are not driven out.

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I agree, we can't bracket all students into a single slot. Each one needs to be judged by his / her own behavior just as each family is judged.  

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Nikunk I stay with ASSOCIATION and oppose you.......

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Dear,

 

Legally no one can stop any owner to keep student tenants and since college is nearby so it make sense that student rent these cheap accomodations.

 

At most we can do is to put some rules in place and float it everywhere. And in case of any fight or non complaince of rules. Association should call police rather than taking law in their hand.

 

Regards,

Nikunj

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I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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[Amit Jha]

Hi Association, 

Any reasons you are NOT opting MYGATE app, to monitor number of entries in society ? 

Are we really serious to fix the issue here ? Only removing students is NOT a solution, it might be 1 try only. 

Use MYGATE and see the magic, send report to owner . Incase more entires ask owner to vacant the tenant. We make list of blocked or troubled student in society. 

Even after so much benefits i don't see association interested to know about it (atleast i am aware).

Thanks

Amit Jha

[Lester Prince Fernandes]

To Nikunj & ykmblr, 

To all of you uneducated owners(who are talking for students) - Please come and fix issue and then talk. 

You guys sit far away and talk bullshit here. 

If you have guts, come here to VBHC and sort it like a MAN. 

Do not be a politician here in saying the problems are caused by 10% of the students and not all. If you are immediate sufferer then you will blame the association or else you will make political statements like below. So uncivilized you are ! 

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[YK Maheshwari]

Its a difficult call for all those who stay there.  You will surely have good students as well , who do not create issues for others. 

Any complex , will sustain its beauty with 70-80% occupancy. 

Add some security , penalties for misbehaviour and damages. Inform those , who need this info about their behaviour

like parents, college admin and principal or HOD , and owners where ' bad' students are staying. 

Lock the vehicles for rash drivers and impose penalty like Rs 2000 to 5000 to be paid in case of misconduct. 

If they get fear of being expelled out of college , the outcome will be different. 

30% students , minus good ones .. you are left with 10-15% problematic ones and these have to be disciplined. 

I dont have time to spend to make rules and improve administration at your level at the moment. 

I am not sure, when you never met me, what can make you write bad language posts.  I think the solution to have  good society, 

is bringing everyone together and creating better environment. 

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Subject: RE: Complaint against Arun

 

Nikunk I stay with ASSOCIATION and oppose you.......

On 14 Dec 2017 4:10 pm, "Nikunj Arya" <nikun...@gmail.com" target='_blank' rel=external>nikunj.arya@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear,

 

Legally no one can stop any owner to keep student tenants and since college is nearby so it make sense that student rent these cheap accomodations.

 

At most we can do is to put some rules in place and float it everywhere. And in case of any fight or non complaince of rules. Association should call police rather than taking law in their hand.

 

Regards,

Nikunj

On 14 Dec 2017 10:33, "Balkisan Gogi" <balkis...@tatahousing.com" target='_blank' rel=external>balkisangogi@tatahousing.com> wrote:

I AM WITH ASSOCATION,

AS WE RESIDENTS KNOW THE PAIN WHAT WE ARE GOING THORUGH BECAUSE OF STUDENTS.

 

 

 

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[lokesh bhat]

Hi All, 

I can't understand why subject line is complaint against Arun..  As per my understanding he is already being  terminated from job..  

Any how alliance has got reduced from 7k to almost 1500 students  due to their bad image, conflicts between Promoters.. 

Let them shut the College, VBHC residents will have peaceful life.

Thanks 

Lokesh Bhat 

[Thayabaran Murugesan]

Hi Lester,

There is no meaning in speaking with people who is not listening to anyone and forcing others to accept their point.

They think,

10 percentage students only bad, so you have to suffer daily. 

Which 10 percentage bad? They don't know. But you have to face all the issues because 10 percentage only bad.

Go here for my experience.

After my marriage, in 2015, I  came to Bangalore with my wife. New job in HCL electronic city, new wife, so I bought new flat 304/28. Got possession in may 2015. Was enjoying my life for 30 days there. There were fight almost daily between these students but I was least bothered about it. One bad day night, in 3rd floor I heard that A girl was screaming for help. So me and my wife opened the door and ran over there to help her. I don't remember the flat number but 28th block, 3rd floor , corner flat , direct opposite flat to Sinha's flat. When I reach there I saw 2 girls and 1 boy there. One girl was half na**d and unconscious, she was lying down on the floor and fight between another one girl and that guy. When I see this I hesitated to go in side and stop them as one girl was in that condition. Suddenly that girl came out and suddenly slapped me . Before I realise that guy too attacked me infront of my wife. After bleeding I came back to my flat with my wife. Also I resigned my job and came back to Chennai and now working for Citi bank.

I have to sell my flat now. You too face same problem because only 10 percentage bad. Even, I was a student but I have never behaved like this. I have never attacked / slapped anyone in my life. You face this issue daily because you were student once upon a time and 10 percentage only bad. 

[Lester Prince Fernandes]

Dear All,

We have spoken on student issues many times but we do not seem to action. All of us know students create nuisance and they harm others.

There is no point of discussion here. 

 

@ Maheshwari : Perhaps you would not have faced so much like others did. Let's not say that every student is bad - that is an assumption. We do not take decisions by assuming things here. The difficulty is to identify who is a good student or bad student. 

So Maheshwari, if you are able to identify who is a good student and give it in writing to association - then association can think on those lines. If you are not able to identify who is good student - then all your pointers you made are baseless. It is very easy. You also made a point that nuisance is everywhere and every society - that does not matter. We talk about our society. Like the way you protect your flat - why do not you think about others too? Nuisance may not be there near your flat but someone else is suffering. Making such statements will always be a political reason to divide as owners and not unite. 

I as an owner, openly say that I am against all students in our society. In addition, I am talking and trying to protect all the owners who suffer and spend sleepless nights. 

Thanks,

Lester Fernandes

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Subject: Re: Complaint against Arun

 

Hi All,

I think we should calm down .

Lets not get aggressive with anyone but take informed decision .

The issues we are seeing are we common in our society and to eradicate them will require some tolerance and patience .

The association must try to balance things here . 

 

Thanks

 

Mudassar

 

[Lester Prince Fernandes]

True Murugesan ! 

After reading Maheshwari's email - I felt the fault is not Alliance who is bad. We are villains. She thinks students are good and we have to identify who is bad student.

@ Maheswari - Why don't you come once and show us who is a good student and bad student? How to identify them?

Your email - does not make any sense. you made so many statements from you being a political leader point of view. That does not help anyone. 

Like you there are few owners, who support student even if they are bad. This is one of the reasons why these issues are not coming down. Change your mindset. 

Be realistic and practical my friend. I pray your flat or family is not under threat because of Alliance students. If that happens - they would know who these goon students are and you will be against them.

If you cant help  or support - better not write such emails and drag other's attention towards politics. 

Thanks,

Lester Fernandes

 

  

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[Lester Prince Fernandes]

Mahesh - Please call me and you will understand even better. Or give me your number. I will explain to you ! 

Thanks,

Lester Fernandes 

9845036402

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Subject: Re: Complaint against Arun

 

When you have 1300 apartments overall, it will be difficult for everyone to classify , people based on moral policing and 

resolve the issues. 

It has to be based on guidelines and process. If I say, there are good and bad behaviour , the job is difficult to identify these based on 

the appearance.  Its not only difficult for me to classify, its difficult for everyone to classify.  Just by saying , we don't understand you or 

making political statements, the problem does not get fixed. 

Pl. ban all students, if you are able to classify them as students. Students is 'tag'  associated with everyone  between 18-22 yrs during 2-4 yrs. 

Rest of the life they would either be kids, teens, bachelors or married folks. 

In our campus, where I stay, the same issue is known as 'bachelors' create nuisance in society. 

Don't give flats on rent or allow them to stay in society.  Many societies don't allow "bachelors". Can we make a law/legal  to ban the 

bachelors, how will one implement it , becomes a real question. 

Owners want to have vegetarian, non drinker, non smoker, married people , to stay in their flats if on rent. 

Many give advts based on the above. 

I follow a different principle. In my case, I have some of my neighbour's phone numbers. If anyone complains me about the tenants behaviour

is bad , I simply ask them to vacate without notice and / or give them time till month end. 

I also warn a tenant about the incidence and make them vacate within 2 days after second incidence.  

Secondly, when the flat is given on rent only after the student or the person gives me info on 

1. His ID , parent numbers or emergency contact, office - manager name and number , college HOD or Dept where the student studies ( if student )

2. His blood group and medical emergency or best friend contact.

3. Explain the rules about stay. 

We need to inform these folks in advance.  

I also need to inform you that some of these are spoilt kids ... ( parents want these kids to become MBA and graduates .. all money sent by parents 

is wasted by these folks - since they believe that parents have earned enough ..) 

Here is my story ..

A guy approaches for the 1BHK flat , he says , he hardly has money to pay for 10 months deposit , he will pay only 3 months.

He haggle , naggles for rental from 7500 to 6000 and so on...

When I see the so called poor student  has 70,000  i-phone 6/7, car given by his dad costing 15 lacs ( toyota ...forrester  or alike ) and so on..

He says, I will keep the flat neat and clean ...I decide to rent based on his parent background, etc . 

5 minutes later, he makes a request "Sir, Can i install an AC into the room ?" 

I have a change of mind after seeing his affluent lifestyle, despite his cool little sweet chat, handsome appearance and great presentation. 

By no means, he is here to study..  ( I cancel the rental and return his deposit , within next 10 minutes ) and request him to find 

another good gentleman. He is still wondering , what went wrong ?

Many of these kids have bought the apartment and living in current flats . What will you do about those kids .? 

Some seniors students have made this as pocket money business to rent these flats . They also have a cook to take care of these students.

Some of them , are reading my post, since they are owners. ( at the age of 21 ) 

Identifying a spoilt pampered kid vs a good person may not be all that challenging , based on your personal experiences.

We can not guarantee that everyone will be good in 15-30 min interactions with the person , who wishes to rent a flat. 

Sometimes, people in neighbourhood , get into lot more intolerance . 

Pl go ahead , what everyone thinks a collective good .. 

Why you need to add here, I should classify the good vs bad.. If Bangalore police had that capability, they would have created 

a colony of good and rowdies separately. 

Whatever , I said, does not deny of fact, that there are incidences where students can not take everyone staying with family for granted.

The punishment for offenders , who ever it may be , should be the process and not "quit the complex ". 

Above holds good, for everyone, since it will be difficult to make a career based separation , whether the guy is working or a student. 

Display- fines on a board in bold letters as..

1. Rash driving - in campus - Rs 500 first offense. Rs 1000 , second offense . Rs 5000 with complaint FIR with police. 

2. Drunken driving - security can sniff with a sniff meter and fine on spot and ask the owner of car /bike to stop and can be handed over to 

police. 

3. Loud music being played- after 11 pm, if the loud music is played, the flat should be visited by security with warning. 

Complaint raised , with name of student or resident , with owner and fine upto Rs 1000 can be imposed. 

4. Disturbance to neighbours due to fights, let the individuals call a hoysala number 100. 

General guidelines of good living , have to be made for every society. 

Similar things, you can think and write back to improve from current status. 

( By the way - Maheswari is Maheshwari - you can call me Mahesh for simplicity.  )