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kc7ekk .
David,
Those are some good suggestions to improve air quality.
I recently met with my local State Representative Roger Barrus about our air quality and what we as the public can do to improve it. He is also the chairman for the Public Utilities and Technology Standing Committee.
After being in correspondence with him for several months, he invited me to discuss with him all the energy improvements that I made to my home and electric cars and how to potentially put these ideas into legislation without wrecking the delicate balance between mandated/socialized programs and public choices.
Here is the list of suggestions that I gave him. Included in that list were a few of your suggestions, so thanks.
John Loveless
While some of these ideas could prove difficult to implement, many of them could be put in place with negligible cost to the consumer and the public.
Higher Building Standards and Efficiency/Renewable Energy Incentives:
· Building codes for more insulation and better air sealing in homes and businesses.
· Building code that 30 amp (or higher) 240VAC be wired into every new garage to allow for fast electric vehicle charging.
· Building code or builders incentive that business parking lots be pre-wired for 2-5 EV charging stations (or at a minimum, provide conduit for future wiring).
· Work with utility companies to plan for these future electric vehicles and for future EV to Grid, smart electric grids and grid storage options.
· Incentives to help single parents/ poor families to make their homes more energy efficient.
· Code or builders incentive that all new homes come with a basic, whole-house power monitoring system (for example, A TED5000 system costs about $250).
· Code or builders incentive to build homes using ground-loop heat pumps (Geothermal HVAC) – They use 4-5 times less energy than a 98% efficient gas furnace.
· If no geothermal HVAC, then building Code that new homes are built with high efficiency air conditioning (SEER of 20 or higher) equipped with soft start controllers.
· Code or builders incentive to build homes with solar PV installed.
· Code or builders incentive to include conduit or pre-wiring for future solar panels.
· Better state incentives for home owners to install solar PV.
· Code or builders incentive to build homes with LED lighting.
· State LED light bulb incentives for home-owners. Business incentive to sell LED bulbs.
· Code or builders incentive to build homes with energy efficient appliances.
· State incentives for homeowners to buy energy efficient appliances.
· Law for older, existing housing: As the house is sold, its attic insulation must meet a determined minimum R-value (R-46 ??). There are already utility incentives in place for adding insulation so the cost would be minimal.
· No more open flue fire places for wood burning. Any new wood burning fireplace should be equipped with catalytic converter and heat exchangers.
Zoning Laws:
· Zoning or builders incentive to allow for residential homes to not shade each other and allow for better passive solar heating.
· Zoning or builders incentive for homes to be oriented for passive solar heating.
· Zoning or builders incentive for roof-lines and eves to provide passive shading for windows during the summer time and still allow passive solar heating in the winter time.
· Zoning or builders incentive for roof area to be conducive to mounting solar panels.
· Zoning to preserve small farms close to neighborhoods (more local food and reduced shipping costs).
· Zoning to allow for better walking/biking egress through the neighborhood. (discourage long dead-end streets). Each neighborhood developed should not be sequestered off from the adjacent one.
· Schools and recreational centers should be within walking distances from homes. Build multistory schools.
· All new government buildings to use ground-loop heat pumps (Geothermal HVAC).
The State Government as an Example for Adopting Electric Vehicle Use. Service trucks do lots of starting and stopping. Regenerative braking in an EV is a perfect compliment for these energy wasting tasks. EVs also have a much lower lifetime fuel/maintenance cost.
· Electric mail delivery trucks (5-10 initially) with 240V fast charging station at each post office.
· Electric garbage trucks (3-5 initially).
· Electric police vehicles (5-10 initially). Police have to idle more than any other vehicle on the road. An EV also has better acceleration than a comparable gas car.
· Electric vehicles provided to 20-30 government employees for commuting.
· More public charging stations.
· More state incentives to get Electric vehicles.
Promote Efficient Driving/Transportation:
· Lower freeway speed-limits (55 mph??) inside air-shed-sensitive areas. Air resistance increases 8x for every doubling in speed; increased fuel consumption follows.
· Excessive idling laws (already starting to happen).
· All cars to display instantaneous and average fuel mileage (more of a Federal Law?).
· Better traffic light synchronization.
· Free public transportation for everyone along the Wasatch front during bad air periods (winter time inversions and summer fire seasons).
· Extended hours of operation for public transportation.
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David Dymaxion <david_d...@yahoo.com> Jan 14 08:24PM -0800
The worst speed for pollution is 0 mpg -- an idling gas car is making 100% pollution for no motion benefit. Gas cars actually get more efficient (more hp is produced per pound of fuel) as you load them more heavily. That is one reason the gas mileage doesn't drop much when you go faster. For example, drive your car hard and you might get 25% worse fuel economy. Drive your electric that hard and your range can be cut in half. That is also why smaller motors get better mpg, and why typically a gas car gets its best mileage in top gear. In contrast, to maximize range in an EV you spin the motor fast in the lowest gear. Your big polluters in cars are while warming up, and while accelerating. Many cars drop out of good emissions mode briefly to accelerate. So to minimize smog, you really want the cars moving steadily, in their top gear. Here is a link that discusses going too slow in an ICE actually increases pollution:
http://www.environmentalleader.com/2012/01/05/how-traffic-jams-affect-air-quality/ . Also, going slower leads to more cars on the road which leads to more traffic jams -- traffic jams are worse for smog than driving steadily.
So here are my suggestions to improve smog:
o Have the train, natural gas, and electric buses be free on bad air days (I have read that diesel buses actually worsen air pollution unless fairly full of passengers on average).
o Put in smart lights that go green for you if you aren't speeding and it is clear -- we have the technology, it is crazy we aren't doing this. Every red light is a big pollution producer by forcing cars to re-accelerate. We can afford red light cameras but not to turn them green when a car approaches and there is no one else around?
o Synchronize lights so you can make them all (this also discourages speeding)
o Promote the sale of electric cars
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Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:03 PM
Subject: [UtahEVinterest] Air quality issues
Hello:
I could not agree more with the Salt Lake Tribune's editorial quote from departed Molly Ivins about not digging deeper when your in the hole. I believe that reduction in Industries' emissions (11%) is important. However reducing the 57% of emissions from cars and trucks may be more important and maylead to significant improvement in our air quality. That is why I was seriously disturbed by other news published in the Sunday edition: 1. The article in the Utah section on the proposal by Rep. Dunnigan to increase the speed limits even in urban areas to 70 or 75 is unbelievable. Particularly hisximi statement that increased speed will not decrease gas mileage is either ignorant or an outright lie. A brief Goggle search about speed vs. mpg clearly shows that above 55 mph there is a significant increase in mpg. I have attached a summary of a few articles from the search "gas mileage vs. speed". I believe a 55 mph speed limit needs to be
imposed on bad air days.
2. The 20 page insert of "Utah Rides.com" invites the consumer to the International Auto Show in Sandy. If we can find our way there through the expected smog next weekend, consumers will apparently not find any electric cars or hybrids that get better than 50 mpg. Not even the Prius is advertised in those 20 pages. Instead we are urged to buy our usual gas guzzling SUVs, trucks an overpowered luxury cars. Are those nine handsome 2014 New Car Dealers of Utah Board not aware that their advertising is digging the dirty air hole deeper? If they do not want to advertise the below listed electrics and hybrids that get up to 120 mpg, then I urge the SL Tribune to at least publish the information about these better choices and urge car buyers to consider them. Let me know how you plan to inform us about getting us out of the dirty air hole. Andy Schoenberg, Manager Sunzeecar LLC developer of Ecotrike (340 MPGe)
The table is copied from www.fueleconomy.gov of the US Department of Energy
2014 Most Fuel Efficient Cars (including electric vehicles)
EPA Class
Vehicle Description
Fuel Economy
Combined
Two-Seaters smart fortwo electric drive Convertible"
A-1, 55kw DCPM, Electric Vehicle 107*
smart fortwo electric drive coupe
A-1, 55kw DCPM, Electric Vehicle 107*
Minicompacts Fiat 500e
A-1, 82 kW AC Induction, Electric Vehicle 116*
Subcompacts Chevrolet Spark EV
A-1, 104 kW ACPM, Electric Vehicle< 119*
Compacts Ford Focus Electric
Automatic (CVT), 107 kW AC Induction, Electric Vehicle 105*
Midsize Ford Fusion Energi Plug-in Hybrid
4 cyl, 2.0 L, Automatic (CVT), 68 kW DCPM, PHEV 58*
Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid
4 cyl, 1.8 L, Automatic (CVT), 18 kW DCPM, PHEV 58*
Large Chevrolet Impala eAssist
4 cyl, 2.4 L, Automatic (S6), HEV, Regular 29
Small Station Wagons Honda Fit EV
A-1, 92 kW DCPM, Electric Vehicle 118*
Midsize Station Wagons Toyota Prius v
4 cyl, 1.8 L, Automatic (CVT), HEV, Regular 42
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kyled...@comcast.net Jan 15 04:15PM
The first thing we should do is outlaw cars that idle. The new Ford F 150 does NOT idle and everyone else should do the same.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/01/20140113-f150.html
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Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:24:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UtahEVinterest] Air quality issues
The worst speed for pollution is 0 mpg -- an idling gas car is making 100% pollution for no motion benefit. Gas cars actually get more efficient (more hp is produced per pound of fuel) as you load them more heavily. That is one reason the gas mileage doesn't drop much when you go faster. For example, drive your car hard and you might get 25% worse fuel economy. Drive your electric that hard and your range can be cut in half. That is also why smaller motors get better mpg, and why typically a gas car gets its best mileage in top gear. In contrast, to maximize range in an EV you spin the motor fast in the lowest gear. Your big polluters in cars are while warming up, and while accelerating. Many cars drop out of good emissions mode briefly to accelerate. So to minimize smog, you really want the cars moving steadily, in their top gear. Here is a link that discusses going too slow in an ICE actually increases pollution: http://www.environmentalleader.com/2012/01/05/how-traffic-jams-affect-air-quality/ . Also, going slower leads to more cars on the road which leads to more traffic jams -- traffic jams are worse for smog than driving steadily.
So here are my suggestions to improve smog:
o Have the train, natural gas, and electric buses be free on bad air days (I have read that diesel buses actually worsen air pollution unless fairly full of passengers on average).
o Put in smart lights that go green for you if you aren't speeding and it is clear -- we have the technology, it is crazy we aren't doing this. Every red light is a big pollution producer by forcing cars to re-accelerate. We can afford red light cameras but not to turn them green when a car approaches and there is no one else around?
o Synchronize lights so you can make them all (this also discourages speeding)
o Promote the sale of electric cars
From: Andy Schoenberg <andy...@aim.com>
To: utairq...@sltrib.com
Cc: li...@sltrib.com; outr...@kued.org; wf...@comcast.net; ud...@mech.utah.edu; utahevi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:03 PM
Subject: [UtahEVinterest] Air quality issues
Hello:
I could not agree more with the Salt Lake Tribune's editorial quote from departed Molly Ivins about not digging deeper when your in the hole. I believe that reduction in Industries' emissions (11%) is important. However reducing the 57% of emissions from cars and trucks may be more important and may lead to significant improvement in our air quality. That is why I was seriously disturbed by other news published in the Sunday edition: 1. The article in the Utah section on the proposal by Rep. Dunnigan to increase the speed limits even in urban areas to 70 or 75 is unbelievable. Particularly hisximi statement that increased speed will not decrease gas mileage is either ignorant or an outright lie. A brief Goggle search about speed vs. mpg clearly shows that above 55 mph there is a significant increase in mpg. I have attached a summary of a few articles from the search "gas mileage vs. speed". I believe a 55 mph speed limit needs to be imposed on bad air days.
2. The 20 page insert of "Utah Rides.com" invites the consumer to the International Auto Show in Sandy. If we can find our way there through the expected smog next weekend, consumers will apparently not find any electric cars or hybrids that get better than 50 mpg. Not even the Prius is advertised in those 20 pages. Instead we are urged to buy our usual gas guzzling SUVs, trucks an overpowered luxury cars. Are those nine handsome 2014 New Car Dealers of Utah Board not aware that their advertising is digging the dirty air hole deeper? If they do not want to advertise the below listed electrics and hybrids that get up to 120 mpg, then I urge the SL Tribune to at least publish the information about these better choices and urge car buyers to consider them. Let me know how you plan to inform us about getting us out of the dirty air hole. Andy Schoenberg, Manager Sunzeecar LLC developer of Ecotrike (340 MPGe)
The table is copied from www.fueleconomy.gov of the US Department of Energy
2014 Most Fuel Efficient Cars (including electric vehicles)
EPA Class Vehicle Description Fuel Economy
Combined Two-Seaters smart fortwo electric drive Convertible"
A-1, 55kw DCPM, Electric Vehicle
107*
smart fortwo electric drive coupe
A-1, 55kw DCPM, Electric Vehicle
107* Minicompacts Fiat 500e
A-1, 82 kW AC Induction, Electric Vehicle
116* Subcompacts Chevrolet Spark EV
A-1, 104 kW ACPM, Electric Vehicle<
119* Compacts Ford Focus Electric
Automatic (CVT), 107 kW AC Induction, Electric Vehicle
105* Midsize Ford Fusion Energi Plug-in Hybrid
4 cyl, 2.0 L, Automatic (CVT), 68 kW DCPM, PHEV
58*
Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid
4 cyl, 1.8 L, Automatic (CVT), 18 kW DCPM, PHEV
58* Large Chevrolet Impala eAssist
4 cyl, 2.4 L, Automatic (S6), HEV, Regular
29 Small Station Wagons Honda Fit EV
A-1, 92 kW DCPM, Electric Vehicle
118* Midsize Station Wagons Toyota Prius v
4 cyl, 1.8 L, Automatic (CVT), HEV, Regular
42
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Andy Schoenberg <andy...@aim.com> Jan 15 03:34PM -0500
Anything we can do to decrease pollution is good. Has the EV interest group ever considered having a booth at the Auto Show? The goal would be to make the public aware that EVs could greatly reduce the pollution level and all of them hardly use energy when you release the throttle. In fact many EVs will recapture some of the kinetic energy by dynamic braking. I believe most of the public is not informed about the advantages of electric cars and would benefit from more information. Andy
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Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2014 9:15 am
Subject: Re: [UtahEVinterest] Air quality issues
The first thing we should do is outlaw cars that idle. The new Ford F 150 does NOT idle and everyone else should do the same.
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2014/01/20140113-f150.html
From: "David Dymaxion" <david_d...@yahoo.com>
To: utahEVi...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 9:24:00 PM
Subject: Re: [UtahEVinterest] Air quality issues
The worst speed for pollution is 0 mpg -- an idling gas car is making 100% pollution for no motion benefit. Gas cars actually get more efficient (more hp is produced per pound of fuel) as you load them more heavily. That is one reason the gas mileage doesn't drop much when you go faster. For example, drive your car hard and you might get 25% worse fuel economy. Drive your electric that hard and your range can be cut in half. That is also why smaller motors get better mpg, and why typically a gas car gets its best mileage in top gear. In contrast, to maximize range in an EV you spin the motor fast in the lowest gear. Your big polluters in cars are while warming up, and while accelerating. Many cars drop out of good emissions mode briefly to accelerate. So to minimize smog, you really want the cars moving steadily, in their top gear. Here is a link that discusses going too slow in an ICE actually increases pollution: http://www.environmentalleader.com/2012/01/05/how-traffic-jams-affect-air-quality/ . Also, going slower leads to more cars on the road which leads to more traffic jams -- traffic jams are worse for smog than driving steadily.
So here are my suggestions to improve smog:
o Have the train, natural gas, and electric buses be free on bad air days (I have read that diesel buses actually worsen air pollution unless fairly full of passengers on average).
o Put in smart lights that go green for you if you aren't speeding and it is clear -- we have the technology, it is crazy we aren't doing this. E
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