Stability of Financial System - Minsky Seminar

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Joe Leote

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Mar 14, 2017, 11:46:52 PM3/14/17
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The video at the following link is nearly 2 hours long.

Minsky Perspectives and Proposals to Improve Stability in the Financial System, Session 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jQsajnbn44

During roughly the first 30 minutes Jan Kregel gives a high quality talk summarizing Minsky's analysis of modern financial systems.

During roughly the next 25 minutes L. Randall Wray gives a talk about financialization in the US system.

During roughly the next 25 minutes Eric Tymoigne gives a talk about a model for a financial fragility index applied to data for several countries.

During the question and answer period L. Randall Wray remarks that the political outlook for reforming the financial system is bleak.

Joe

Tom Paine II

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Apr 6, 2017, 4:51:20 AM4/6/17
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helge nome

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Apr 6, 2017, 11:08:12 AM4/6/17
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It's like trying to fix an airplane that by design is inherently unstable.

The system needs to be re-designed.

This is prevented by vested interest groups who profit from the instability.


So we are really dealing with a political problem, rather than an economic one.

Until people say that enough is enough, the status quo will prevail.


Helge



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Tom Paine II

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Apr 6, 2017, 4:39:12 PM4/6/17
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By design?  I think the instability is natural and inherent--economic systems are per se chaotic.

helge nome

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Apr 7, 2017, 1:44:07 AM4/7/17
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This one certainly is.

That does not mean that there are no alternatives.

The bullies benefit from chaos.


Helge


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lante...@gmail.com

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Joe writes: 'Until people say enough is enough....'  - True, but whenever the people, the populace, take action it is usually harsh and severe. The French Revolution for example. It is better to have the intellectuals come up with some solutions. "Intellectuals" such as people who frequent this site :)

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helge nome

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Apr 7, 2017, 4:06:32 PM4/7/17
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Intellectuals are an integral part of the mix which brings change.

A change of heart precedes change in the real world.

Legal slavery being a case in point.


Helge


Jean Erick

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Apr 7, 2017, 4:17:38 PM4/7/17
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     Michael Hudson has summarized it well in his book "J is for Junk Economics".
It is, essentially, a brief outline of economics since the enlightenment.  The players
and what they thought.
 
    With some minor exception here, if you haven't read it, you  know nothing.
If you have, you know everything.
 
    A generalized statement, yes.  But, all in all, the truth.
 
James
 
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lante...@gmail.com

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"The mix that brings change". Interesting notion. Let me expand on that a little - The mix that might bring change of our financial system is: 1. Intellectuals 2. Politicians,
 3. Academics, and the one I like, 4. The computer geeks ( with their algorithms and coding technology). 

"Change of heart precedes change" - I don't understand this.


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helge nome

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Apr 8, 2017, 1:49:44 PM4/8/17
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Once people understand the nature of the present financial system they will understand how they are being taken to the cleaners.

That will hopefully bring about a change of heart so that they will no longer accept the status quo.

Study the history of the dirty thirties and the picture gets clearer.

Helge


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Jean Erick

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Apr 8, 2017, 2:37:54 PM4/8/17
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     Are you including the system up until about 800 BC?
The system that used periodic debt forgiveness?
 
James

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Apr 8, 2017, 4:20:25 PM4/8/17
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I love it. Financial Reform Change compared to the huge Prohibition situation. Compared to the issue of slavery in the U.S. Sometimes this site amazes me. The  current national situation in Congress regarding Financial Reform.... the ' Glass Steagal Modern Day version'. (Separate out investment banking from regular banking......).


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helge nome

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Apr 8, 2017, 11:54:01 PM4/8/17
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Here is something to chew on:



It can be argued that the combination of investment banking activities and commercial banking tends to increase the instability of the financial system, making it even more prone to financial bubbles.

Helge

Investment banking and commercial banking are two divisions of the banking industry that provide substantially different services. Investment banks expedite the purchase and sales of bonds, stocks and other investments and aid companies in making initial public offerings (IPOs). Commercial banks act as managers for deposit accounts for businesses and individuals, although they are primarily focused on business accounts, and they make public loans through deposit money that they hold. 
Since the major economic downturn beginning in 2008, a number of entities that mix investment banking and commercial banking have fallen under intense scrutiny, being looked at as the source of the downward trend. There is a great debate over whether the two divisions of the banking sector should operate under one roof, or if the two are best kept separate.

Federal Regulation

Commercial banks are highly regulated by a variety of federal authorities, such as the Federal Reserve and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC). Commercial banks are insured by the federal government, maintaining an ability to protect customer accounts and provide a certain level of security. Investment banks differ, as they are much more loosely regulated by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). This offers less protection to customers, but allows investment banks a significantly greater amount of operational freedom.

The comparative weakness of regulation by the government, along with their specific business model, does give investment banks a higher tolerance of, and exposure to, risk. Commercial banks, on the other hand, have a much lower risk threshold. Commercial banks have an implicit duty to act in ways that keeps their clients' best interests in mind. The greater level of government control on commercial banks also decreases their levels of risk tolerance.

The Glass-Steagall Act

Historically, institutions that combine commercial and investment banking have been seen in a negative light. Some analysts have linked such entities to the economic depression occurring in the early part of the 20th century. In 1933, the Glass-Steagall Act was passed and authorized a complete and total separation of all investment and commercial banking activities.

However, Glass-Steagall was largely repealed in the 1990s. Since that time, banks have been able to engage in both types of banking under the same roof. Despite the legal freedom to expand operations, most of the largest U.S. banking institutions have chosen to remain operating as either a commercial or an investment bank, just as they were before the repeal of Glass-Steagall.

Benefits for Combination Banks

There are some benefits to the combination of the functions of investment banks and commercial banks. For example, a combination bank can use investment capabilities to aid a company in the sale of an IPO, and then use its commercial division to offer a generous line of credit to the new business, enabling the business to finance rapid growth and consequent increases its stock price. The combination bank can then additionally glean the benefits of increased trading in the form of commission revenue.



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helge nome

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Apr 8, 2017, 11:58:11 PM4/8/17
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I think debt forgiveness was rather selective back in ancient times.

A way to reward friends and punish foes, no doubt.

Helge


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Jean Erick

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     More likely, the only way is for the people is to hit the streets in protest and hope the army
doesn't fire on them.  Save up a years supply of food to support a national strike.
    You are not going to solve this with attempting to engage in democratic discussion.
Power prevails.  People power.
 
    But, as an example of the power against us is Steve Keen.  His pronouncements
so angered the Austrailian neocons that, in their zeal to get rid of a person they could
not fire, simply eliminated the economic department where he taught.  He is now in England.
 
James
 
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"The mix that brings change". Interesting notion. Let me expand on that a little - The mix that might bring change of our financial system is: 1. Intellectuals 2. Politicians,
 3. Academics, and the one I like, 4. The computer geeks ( with their algorithms and coding technology). 

"Change of heart precedes change" - I don't understand this.

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On Apr 7, 2017, at 1:05 PM, helge nome <helg...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Intellectuals are an integral part of the mix which brings change.

A change of heart precedes change in the real world.

Legal slavery being a case in point.


Helge


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Joe writes: 'Until people say enough is enough....'  - True, but whenever the people, the populace, take action it is usually harsh and severe The French Revolution for example. It is better to have the intellectuals come up with some solutions. "Intellectuals" such as people who frequent this site :)

Jean Erick

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Apr 10, 2017, 9:36:19 PM4/10/17
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    I think another way to think of it is the endentured servants who came to this country at the start.
I think it was 7 years indedtureship, after which they were free.
Today, via private debt and mis assigned taxes, the public is being re indentured.
 
James
 
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Joe writes: 'Until people say enough is enough....'  - True, but whenever the people, the populace, take action it is usually harsh and severe The French Revolution for example. It is better to have the intellectuals come up with some solutions. "Intellectuals" such as people who frequent this site :)

Jean Erick

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Apr 10, 2017, 9:36:40 PM4/10/17
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     The fact that the prayer said "forgive us our debts" (debt synonymous with sin) indicates it was more generalized.
 
James
 
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Tom Paine II

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Apr 11, 2017, 12:30:58 AM4/11/17
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except that indentiture had a time limit

helge nome

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Apr 11, 2017, 9:53:27 AM4/11/17
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"except that indentiture had a time limit"


Indeed: For the term of ones' natural life.


Helge


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Tom Paine II

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Indentured servants were men and women who signed a contract (also known as an indenture or a covenant) by which they agreed to work for a certain number of years in exchange for transportation to Virginia and, once they arrived, food, clothing, and shelter.

Jean Erick

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Apr 11, 2017, 6:13:17 PM4/11/17
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     Exactly.  Oh for the good old days.
 
James
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