This is one of the most provocative diatribes ever posted to this forum, this time, by none other than the veritable Baba Kadiri, his wrathful self loaded with contempt, his pen spitting fire and full of aspersions:
“Those who help to proliferate ignorance, especially about Islam, are the past and present governments of the twelve Sharia states in Northern Nigeria.”
How can Baba Kadiri say such a thing? I followed the learned discussions on a Nigerian Yahoo Group in the months leading to Zamfara adopting Sharia and the pro-Sharia justifications were impressive, the more sceptical prevarications against Sharia in a still secular Nigeria were of course more cautious and we have since then been witnessing some of the problems that they were convinced were bound to follow….
If only Baba Kadiri would have supplied us with evidence to show how Nigeria’s Twelve Sharia States “proliferate ignorance”.
Baba Kadiri had also better revise the use of the word “inferior”, in this sentence: “Sharia Laws and its applications are inferior to the Constitution and any enacted laws of the National Assembly signed by the President”
I doubt that this is applicable in all areas of a Muslim's life….
And, may I kindly remind Baba Kadiri, “ Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour” and bearing false witness against an honourable Nigerian Senator is what Baba Kadiri does when he wants us to believe that “In 2010, Senator Yerima married to a ten-year girl “when the truth of the matter is that Ahmed Sani Yerima married a 13-year-old Egyptian girl - and this happened in 2009, and it happened outside of Nigeria…
Baba Kadiri had better get his facts right and thereby avoid bearing false testimony even against those of whom he may strongly disapprove.
Loonta
Venerable Baba Kadiri,
I’m writing this in another idle moment, whilst waiting for your reply to my first rejoinder.
Do you know one of the differences between the Prophet Moses Alaihi salam and Rasulullah, Sallallahu alaihi wa salaam ?
The former became a prophet when he was 80 years old, whereas the latter became a prophet at 40 years of age.
Jesus on the other hand returned to eternity at the age of 33….
I’m now more than a few centimetres closer to you, not because of what you said this evening but because just before I called I had been listening to some more Elaine Pagels, to be precise, her take on “The Truth About the Book of Revelations, casting some doubts on the whole apocalyptic contraption, especially now that Finland and Sweden are said to be heading into NATO, and some of the preachers are telling us that we are now living in our last days. It may please you to know that, happily, Profesor Porter doesn't think so. Looka here at his Sweden and NATO
He once asked me if I believe in Divine Intervention. I believe that if Russia really gets serious about our little strategically important island of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, it should be in place for even the atheists to pray for some Divine intervention if they should also want to take Stockholm…
About the spouse of Senator Yerima, she must now be 26 years old, and hopefully still his legally wedded wife, or do you and the Nigerian constitution only legitimise the marriage retroactively, starting on the day when she turned eighteen?
As you may have noticed, I have not been too hard on you, for example, I have nicely side-stepped your blasphemies and not accused you of heresy either. I leave you to the tender mercies of the Northern Muslim elites if they choose to respond to your tarring and feathering them with unforgivable shirk - worshipping other gods, foreign gods for that matter, in the shape of the American dollar and the British pound sterling. At least you have been decent enough to leave out the Swiss franc and the yen of China.
I wonder what kind of dialogue you have had or have been having with the Almighty - and through the medium of which language, since you have been requesting that He or She ( according to your grammatical gender conception of the appropriate use pronoun to apply to the Deity) should address you in your mother tongue - or the mother tongue of your ancestors. BTW, in what language do you speak/ say your prayers to Olodumare? No worries, according to the Rabbis, the Almighty understands all languages ( Hebrew, Arabic, Sanskrit, Pali, Farsi, Yoruba, Gause, Igbo, Zulu, Mandinka, Wolof, Lingala, Fulani and I can assure you, He is surely more advanced than any Professor of Her Majesty’s English at Balliol College, Oxford, speak less of some riff raff from Bayero or the House of the Rising Sun which is in New Orleans, Louisiana.
I pray that you agree with me, that at least, God is not a racist …
For your own good, I should like to point out to you that it’s incongruous that you should associate Islam/ the practitioners of Islam with anything like “ignorance” if only you should take the pains to understand that with the advent of Islam the age of Jahiliyya supposedly came to an end.
However, the wealth and money problems that you highlight, is nothing new to the Islamic polity - Ojogbon Falola mentioned in one of his posts last week, that
“The third Caliph credited for writing the Quran had so much respect for Jesus and Christianity. This Caliph was himself brutally murdered, like Jesus.”
First of all, historically speaking this “ third Caliph” can in no way be ”credited for writing the Quran “, and secondly, it is this Third Caliph that gave rise to Islam’s first socialist in the person of Abu Dharr al-Ghifari
When you survey Muslim leadership in Nigeria, where do you place the late great Mallam Aminu Kano?Venerable Baba Kadiri,
About being careful with our words, eloquent language etc, consider this :
Moses tells G-d: “I am not a man of words, neither from yesterday nor from the day before yesterday….” (Shemot 4:10) It was that humility that made him worthy of being G-d’s messenger and teacher to humanity. A man of no words? Today we call the Torah the Five Books of Moses. That’s a lot of words. Read more in this week's article: A Time for Silence
https://www.facebook.com/100045373800611/posts/539954877526968/?sfnsn=mo
So, we see that from the Almighty’s point of view it’s not got anything to do with little grammar from Oxford or Big Grammar from Bayero
I don’t know how these Biblical proverbs translate into Yoruba, “ Idle hands are the devil's workshop; idle lips are his mouthpiece” but we find plenty of evidence of these kinds of idleness, everywhere, including what’s just happened and is still happening in Sokoto
In idle anticipation of what more you’re going to say ( precognition) let me start with the tail-end of your submission, your rhetorical Parthian shot which was,
“Almost seven years in office, if Christians and Muslims can practise their faiths in peace and security, why was Deborah, a Christian, murdered by Muslim hoodlums?”
And what would you not have to say about the hate crimes that have been ravaging the United States of America, since the Declaration of Independence up to the latest shootout at Buffalo, who do you want to hold responsible for the massacre, Adolf Hitler, Adam & Eve, the Ten Commandments, Joe Biden the sitting President of the US, all those who sat before him or those who wrote
“ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”?
In the department of crime and punishment, what are /should be the consequences - the legal consequences of what happened to Deborah, in Sokoto? To begin with, one would have thought that she should have known better about what to say and what not to say with reference to Islam’s Most Beloved Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wa salaam: one would have thought that she/ you/ me/we would at least try to abide a little by the sacred old formula, “ When in Rome, do as the Romans do” - ditto when you’re in Mecca/ Sokoto/ Mogadishu/ Islamabad/ Gaza…
In the age of fake news & false testimonies, it’s difficult to ascertain what’s true, such as this alleged “Full transcript of what Deborah said that angered Muslim students” What we do know is that where sensitivity is high, “provocation is next to madness “ and the law of karma / retributive justice etc dictates that “as you sow, so shall you reap”
At least here’s a reliable report about the reaction of Dr Aliyu Tilde to the stoning of Deborah. As far as he is to be judged in all other contexts, I’d say that Dr Tilde is to all intents and purposes an enlightened, educated & aware, 21st century Muslim. I have been following his blog and have also been following him on Facebook for a good number of years now and first caught his reaction on Facebook all of which you can read here
I might as well take up these three outstanding matters, here:
Re. - Islam’s Third Caliph Uthman Ibn Affan- “ This Caliph was himself brutally murdered, like Jesus”
The fact is that he was not the only one that was murdered, - in his case and in the case of his predecessor Umar Ibn Khattab too, they were not crucified, like Jesus. Here’s a list of the Twelve Imams, alaihim salaam : Eleven of them were murdered.
Also interesting about The Canonisation of the Quran
About three decades ago I spent a week at the Central Mosque library in London, checking out among other things, Bell’s The Collection of the Quran
If most of the above is all too depressing, hopefully, Baba Kadiri & I are more or less on the same page here: Foolish for Finland & Sweden to Join NATO
Venerable Baba Kadiri,
Your grievances are many. I'm soon off on a walk with Better Half (who by the way is distressed by the venom that you express) when I get back, I'll address the rest of your concerns about the main matter, the beef, your beef
As Jesus is reported to have said, “ Before Abraham was, I am!”
I asked Pa Google, “At what age did women get married in Biblical Times ?”
The whole world, including the Islamophobes, is aware of this aspect of Islamic history: The Prophet of Islam's marriage with Aisha
This event predates the Convention on the Rights of the Child
True, times have changed, even in Nigeria, everything does not remain the same
In today’s Nigeria, LGBT is a problem that sooner or later, under the benign forces of modernism & global determinism could be woven into the Nightmare Nigerian Constitution.
Do I hear you say, “God forbid!”?
The Venerable Baba Kadiri is also aware that for all Muslims, the Prophet of Islam, Sallallahu alaihi wa salaam is the gold standard, the role model par excellence, in all things. Therefore, once again, you and other non-Muslims, including those who self-identify as so-called Muslims and at the same time say that they are “not religious” have to be more circumspect and more careful in making certain kinds of pronouncements when judging, from the point of view of ethical relativism bordering on kufr, of the kind we encounter in Ibn Warraq, precisely the kinds of perceptions that the Holy Quran says lead to the bottomless pit.
You could refresh your memory with the first 20 verses of al-Baqarah: The Cow
Your main point is that Nigeria is a secular state and not a theocracy and that in all aspects, the Holy Nigerian Constitution supersedes the Sharia Laws that operate in the twelve Sharia states of Northern Nigeria, even with regard to the minimum age at which a female may be legally married according to Muslim Law. and I suppose that the main legal school in operation in those Northern States is the Maliki Fiqh, just as I know that there is a high rate of divorce among the Hausa also mostly regulated by Sharia Law at least up to the time I was diligently studying the five legal schools on Nikah circa 1986-1987, long before Zamfara went Sharia under the not so Holy Nigerian COnstitution which is also under the throne of Allah subhanahu wa ta'alaVenerable Baba Kadiri,
The Prophet of Islam's marriage with Aisha is a beginning point of reference in this discussion.
As the Quran tells us, “The Prophet is closer to the believers than their selves, and his wives are (as) their mothers”.
This is understood to mean that they should be respected, and venerated. In spite of the Gospel genealogies, we don’t know at what age Mary was betrothed to Joseph, whether she was over eighteen years of age or not, or if indeed she was only 12 - 14 years old when she gave birth to Jesus, nevertheless, In Christianity, the mother of Jesus, is respected. In the Eastern Orthodox Church as Theotokos and in Roman Catholicism she is especially revered as the Blessed Virgin Mary.
It should please Christians to know that the Mother of Jesus is held in very high regard in Islam.
I'll be reading your letter over, very carefully, before responding
Baba Kadiri,
I’m not feeling too good. Got the sad news yesterday that after a short illness Dr Per Wennerholm, my good doctor for the past ten years, had passed away. May his soul rest in peace…
In the past three days, so much has happened but at least Nigeria is still alive and thriving even if the pessimists are mumbling & grumbling about Nigeria’s resurrection - as if (God forbid) Nigeria had died, and of course, the culture workers brigade ( underpaid chauvinists) are promising us a renaissance. But the anti-corruption Brigade, where are they and what are they promising? Zero tolerance for corruption has to be the backbone of the renaissance/ the revolution/ evolution into the New Nigeria. Perhaps we should tell the Pentecostal pastors that even as they have transited from the so called “Old Testament “, to the “ New Testament”, so called, so too it’s high time that the sleeping giant, the Old Nigeria shakes off slumber from his eyelids and move, boldly forward, ready to pounce, like a tiger
In this thread your main beef has been the current government, even holding Brer Buhari personally responsible for Deborah Yakubu’s fate, at least that’s the impression you give via these your final words, that “Almost seven years in office, if Christians and Muslims can practise their faiths in peace and security, why was Deborah, a Christian, murdered by Muslim hoodlums?”
Jibrin Ibrahim’s bombshell comes as a surprise, his imponderable, albeit as yet, tentative final judgement on the Buhari era, that “ his ( Buhari's) legacy might well be that of running the most corrupt regime in the history of Nigeria “ What?
But what else to expect when the war is not yet over and we are to assume that the war is still in progress, since Major General Buhari Nigeria’s Commander-in-Chief has not yet announced a ceasefire in his ongoing “war against corruption”, nor has he confessed to the nation that the alleged war has been hopelessly compromised and sabotaged from within, by some senior mafia agents camouflaged as anti-corruption police and justices of the peace, precisely as you put it, and you were not mincing your words when you said that “dollar/pound-sterling/euro Akbar, meaning those currencies are the greatest Lords. They worship those currencies and they commit always heinous atrocities in order to acquire those currencies.”
Don't you see a ray of hope in EFCC Arrests Ahmed Idris, or is it too little, too late?
At least Muhammadu Buhari was honest and was being honest when from the vetý beginning he told us, “ Don’t expect miracles “, although even when he was busy saying this some of us Buhari-ites were still unshakably convinced that history was going to confirm that he is indeed Nigeria’s Messiah who wiped out corruption, crushed Boko Haram, united the Naija nations under a Federal umbrella and led pastors and Muslim prayer leaders alike, unto the New National Prosperity, for everybody…
Talk is cheap and cheap talk is not what we need even though cheap talk, “valfläsk” and breakable promises are what we’re going to get from the 48 candidates who wanna be president of Nigeria. I think that they are so many, even though most of them know that they have little chance of winning, but it could be a feather in their hats as later on even though he only garnered less than 2% of the national vote, he (she/ they) could make some chest-beating boast in places like Beijing, London, Washington, “I contested the last Presidential Elections in Nigeria” and may even add, “ but, I lost because, as everybody knows, the election was rigged!”
It would seem that Atiku Abubakar is out - has already lost after he withdrew his condemnation of the stoning of Deborah Yakubu, BTW, he strikes me as being both cowardly and untrustworthy. Why did he condemn the execution in the first place, only to withdraw it for fear of Muslim reprisals from the North, on election day - one more reason for Egba Brother Olusegun Obasanjo to say “ God will never forgive me if I support Atiku for President”
Hopefully, no matter what, ex-President Obasanjo will never forgive himself if he supports his former vice-president Atiku for President, probably because he more than anybody else knows what he’s talking about, just as Brother Obama can testify to some quality and calibre when supporting his former vice president Joe Biden for president of the United States.
The second half of the Book of Daniel could set you thinking of NATO Sweden
In the Holy Bible, we also have Obadiah: God's judgement on Edom
I see that 2,000 Zelensky’s heroes of the Nazi regiment have been taken as prisoners of war but that has not been reported in TASS or Russia Insider
Otherwise what else is happening?
A month ago President Nana Akufo-Addo defends Ghana's 'not terrible' economy on BBC Africa
More wahala is on the horizon with the latest news about the Monkeypox virus, which to be sure is going to be linked to Africa, or as coming from the planet of the apes….