Re: Moving towards the new database

[Philip Copeman]

I think "cost1uk" brings up many valid points. His criticism is not of TurboCASH, but of the whole open source concept. I have been juggling with this for a while now. How do we get funding to move through the project?

There should  be some kind of Bounty and Auction system. At the moment we only have the extreme : If YOU want it, then YOU go and make it. The program advances in the areas that those who want to take it, take it. To date that has worked well, but there are frustrated members.

Take a real world example, Branch accounting. It will cost about $ 40 000 to make a branch accounting version of TurboCASH. We have a number of developers in the project who are capable of developing and a number of users that want it. Our competitors, the  commercial developers take  the $ 40 000 risk and includs it in the next upgrade for which they charge. What we are looking for is for one user to pay the 40 000 Dollars, the developer makes it and then everyone else gets it for free. This is how it has worked for the last 2 years. The biggest risktaker so far  being myself.

The users don't want to pay $ 40 000 for Branch Accounting, but they would be prepared to pay say $2000. We need some mechanism - lottery - auction - "stockvel" - pyramid scheme, whereby those that want to contribute to a pool do so and those that need it, pay to take it out. I am not sure how to balance this. 

I have some ideas here:

The 40 Page version

The One Page version

The above is essentially what we do with Plugins, but there a developer chooses to take the plugin on at risk, what we are looking for is a way that the user can take the plugin on at risk. Even Better is to give the "Early adopters" some financial benefit . I put in $ 1000 for branch accounting at the beginnijng and in the end I get the Branch accounting AND I get $ 2000 out.

Can you Game Theorists and financial whizkids see if you can come up with a working idea?






Maarten von Ziegenweidt wrote:

I quite agree....

-----Original Message-----
From: Turb...@googlegroups.com [mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Jan Verlaan
Sent: 09 February 2006 11:32
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database



Then you don't know the consequences of software that is flexible enough 
to support MANY businescases.
TurboCASH is flexible in this way, but need configuration before using it.
If you want out of the box workable software, the functionality will be 
limited and mostly you discover after some time that you use software 
that doesn't meet your needs.
TurboCASH can be changed in setup by parameter to fit again, even if 
your company needs changes.

But glad that there are ALSO many out-there that do like TurboCASH very 
much. I'am one of them.

Oh, before I forget to mention.
If your busines is your core business, you definitly want to have an 
accounting system that supports you in making the right dissions based 
on financial facts. Not only a accounting system to store your data for 
your accountant and Tax department.
See here where TurboCASH delivers this functionality also in reporting 
flexibility.

cost1uk wrote:
  

 
But what's the point of saying your free then want to charge people
money for new features you might as well by Microsoft at least you no 
your being taken for a ride. When you ask for new features when I can 
get them free from www.accountz.com <http://www.accountz.com/> as part 
of there development with no charge to me I make one payment of 29.99 
to buy. When turbo cash programmers  want as (Philip says Our top 
programmers earn around 5000 pounds per month.) You want a software 
that's easy to use not more complicated than Microsoft beats the 
point. Not better than Microsoft the same. I see open source just 
another Microsoft in disguise. At least yes the lay out of personal 
accounts is poor but it does what I require the way I require it easy 
to set up just write  in categories and I am away in 5 minutes
I don't want to spend ages on turbo cash setting it up to use. Have 
better things to do which is run my business not trying to sought out 
turbo cash.
 
 Free cents
 
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/*From:*/ Henry Eko H <mailto:dma...@cbn.net.id>
/*Date:*/ 02/09/06 07:03:02
/*To:*/ Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
/*Subject:*/ RE: Moving towards the new database
 
the chalange of open source software is to provide low cost / free
software
solution that suit the needs of users.
basically, turbocash carry on this mission.
 
but then there come great consequenses.
how to make this as a business so developer can make a living from it.
 
in developing country. a GNP of under $300 / month. $40 is worth every 
penny. this is were opensource solution came in place.
 
but if you live in america or europe, the choice is vary. with $40,
you can
choose any software that fit your needs.
 
never has been in the history a opensource accounting software make 
this far. turbocash not also suit a small medium company, but also 
scale down to personal use.
a single software, very customizable, without the need to split the
software, fits many needs, interna
the only chalange is to create the precise setup for each needs.
 
this is a great chalange of balance.
 
but we can look up to another successfull opensource software such as
- Compiere, opensource ERP, bussiness driven
- Mandrake, a linux distro, bussiness driven
 
my two cents.
 
 
Salam
Henry Eko H
 
Kokutama Komputer
Roxy Square Lt. 1 Blok A9/ no. 15
Jl. Kiai Tapa no. 1 Tomang, Jakarta 11440
Telp. 021-56954332  Fax. 021-56954332
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: cost1uk [mailto:cos...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 09 Februari 2006 4:44
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
 
 
 
Buy looking at www.accountz.Com <http://www.accountz.com/>
<http://www.accountz.com/>  website they are
making the money on it buy having a software that the user wants just look
at there customer comments who are also accountants
http://WWW.personalaccounts.co.UK/customer.HTML 
<http://www.personalaccounts.co.uk/customer.HTML>. Ease of use is the best
seller for any software as accountz.Com have cracked it.simple easy to 
use.
 
To current my spelling
 
 
  A while ago I asked about easy  setup features in source forge and
in the
forum on the website under ease of use for turbo cash with now real 
joy from
any one about this I now found that software by personal accounts does 
this
with its easy to setup accounts  www..accountz.com 
<http://www..accountz.com/>
<http://www..accountz.com/>   which turbo cash does not as you can not
customize turbo cash to suit your own need  you are stuck with how the
programmer thinks it should be a good software should have the user in 
mind
and what they also require   I need ease of use and setup plus customising
the setup to the individual requirements.
 
It seems asking for feature here is like talking to a brick wall
what's the
point of it being open source if you just don't listen to users who 
ask for
new features we are important. T0
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Philip Copeman
Date: 02/08/06 18:09:19
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
 
Sorry man I missed that one.
 
Can everyone please use this link for posting bugs.
 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=86088&atid=578365
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=86088&atid=578365>
 
It is of no vlaue to report bugs byt postiung them on the forum or by 
sending out email. Only by using the reportiung system can we be sure 
of monitoring closing and updating them.
 
 
 
Stephan wrote:
Haven't received the link you were going to send in connection with 
Reporting a glitch in programming. Can you please send
 
Thanx
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Philip Copeman
Sent: 08 February 2006 11:18 AM
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
 
 
I agree about message.db. Pieter seems to think it is all right.
 
I have found one really good use of the current structure around
Message.db.
In a Point of sale environment with high repetition of lots Of small 
similar
documents. TurboCASH saves space in an order of Magnitude of about 5 
times.
 
I think if we are going to redesign the Dartabase now is the time to
do It.
Pieter is gogit fro a simple conversion, nby leavign the database Moreor
less in tack, many of the rountines coem though with little change.
 
I am more worried about:
 
Multi branch
Serial numnbertracking
Multi currency
 
Even of we don't implement this now, we should make sure it is
provided For
in the database.
 
 
Henry Eko H wrote:
 
 
Hi,
 
The move to firebird is on roll.
It is great.
 
And now database optimation can be started.
 
The first issue of the database is to replace the messages.db / 
message.db
 
The firebird / mysql is already support varchar. So I think message.db 
is
 
No
 
Longer necessary.
 
It is also will create a nice boost over performance because long 
messages
 
/
 
Descriptions no longer must refer to message.db. It will increase 
Significantly in reporting performance.
 
But it will also make this a great task, because much of the 
architecture Must be adjusted accordingly.
 
But I'm sure the benefit is far more greater.
 
Sorry if this is already in your development task. Just put out 
another
 
Idea
 
:))
 
Salam
Henry Eko H
 
Kokutama Komputer
Roxy Square Lt. 1 Blok A9/ no. 15
Jl. Kiai Tapa no. 1 Tomang, Jakarta 11440
Telp. 021-56954332  Fax. 021-56954332
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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-------Original Message-------
 
From: Philip Copeman <mailto:phi...@pinksoft.co.za>
Date: 02/08/06 21:31:14
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
 
Thanks I will look at it. TurboCASH has never been developing faster. 
Unfortunately it developes where the money chases it. In that sense 
Open Source is like any commercial product it is customer driven, it 
follows the money. I am busy trying to refine this system. Will get 
back to you as soon as I have it.
 
 
 
cost1uk wrote:
I a while ago asked about say setup feature for turbo cash with now
real joy
from any one about this I now found that software by personal accounts 
does
this with its easy to setup accounts  www..accountz.com 
<http://www..accountz.com/>
<http://www..accountz.com/>   which turbo cash does not as you can not
customize turbo cash to suit your own need  are stuck with how the
programmer thinks it should be a good software should have the user in 
mind
and what there what from it as I need ease of use and setup plus 
customising
the setup to the individual requirements.
 
It seems asking for feature here is like talking to a brick wall
what's the
point of it being open source if you just don't listen to users who are
important. T0
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: Philip Copeman <mailto:phi...@pinksoft.co.za>
Date: 02/08/06 18:09:19
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
 
Sorry man I missed that one.
 
Can everyone please use this link for posting bugs.
 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=86088&atid=578365
<http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=86088&atid=578365>
 
It is of no vlaue to report bugs byt postiung them on the forum or by 
sending out email. Only by using the reportiung system can we be sure 
fo monitoring closing and updating them.
 
 
 
Stephan wrote:
Haven't received the link you were going to send in connection with 
reporting a glitch in programming. Can you please send
 
Thanx
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Philip Copeman
Sent: 08 February 2006 11:18 AM
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
 
 
I agree about message.db. Pieter seems to think it is alright.
 
I have found one really good use of the current structure around 
message.db. In a Point of sale environment with high repetition of 
lots of small similar documents. TurboCASH saves space in an order of 
magnitude of about 5 times.
 
I think if we are going to redesign the Dartabase now is the time to 
do it. Pieter is gogit fro a simple conversion, nby leavign the 
database moreor less in tack, many of the rountines coem though with 
little change.
 
I am more worried about:
 
Multi branch
Serial numnbertracking
Multi currency
 
even of we don't implement this now, we should make sure it is 
provided for in the database.
 
 
Henry Eko H wrote:
 
 
Hi,
 
the move to firebird is on roll.
it is great.
 
and now database optimation can be started.
 
the first issue of the database is to replace the messages.db / 
message.db
 
the firebird / mysql is already support varchar. so i think message.db 
is
 
no
 
longer necessary.
 
it is also will create a nice boost over performance because long 
messages
 
/
 
descriptions no longer must refer to message.db. it will increase 
significantly in reporting performance.
 
but it will also make this a great task, because much of the 
architecture must be adjusted accordingly.
 
but i'm sure the benefit is far more greater.
 
sorry if this is already in your development task. just put out 
another
 
idea
 
:))
 
Salam
Henry Eko H
 
Kokutama Komputer
Roxy Square Lt. 1 Blok A9/ no. 15
Jl. Kiai Tapa no. 1 Tomang, Jakarta 11440
Telp. 021-56954332  Fax. 021-56954332
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[philipdc]

TurboCASH is bookkeeping, not educational software for disadvantaged
children. We all come to this project for what we can get out, not what
we can put in. I think the summary of what I am saying is that you can
talk as much as you want, but the program only moves forward with
action. There are no programmers out there simply waiting for
opportunities to "Have a go at some Code". They follow the Money.

Unless you can program yourself, the only way to get the prgram to move
in the direction you want is to come up with the money. Harsh as it may
seem - that is exactly how the rest of us work. Take a look at my
article "The Accounting Market" to see the dangers of trying make the
program "easy".

http://www.turbocash.co.za/philip/docs/accounting%20market.html