Moving towards the new database
Henry Eko H
the move to firebird is on roll.
it is great.
and now database optimation can be started.
the first issue of the database is to replace the messages.db / message.db
the firebird / mysql is already support varchar. so i think message.db is no
longer necessary.
it is also will create a nice boost over performance because long messages /
descriptions no longer must refer to message.db. it will increase
significantly in reporting performance.
but it will also make this a great task, because much of the architecture
must be adjusted accordingly.
but i'm sure the benefit is far more greater.
sorry if this is already in your development task. just put out another idea
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Salam
Henry Eko H
Kokutama Komputer
Roxy Square Lt. 1 Blok A9/ no. 15
Jl. Kiai Tapa no. 1 Tomang, Jakarta 11440
Telp. 021-56954332 Fax. 021-56954332
Philip Copeman
I have found one really good use of the current structure around
message.db. In a Point of sale environment with high repetition of lots
of small similar documents. TurboCASH saves space in an order of
magnitude of about 5 times.
I think if we are going to redesign the Dartabase now is the time to do
it. Pieter is gogit fro a simple conversion, nby leavign the database
moreor less in tack, many of the rountines coem though with little change.
I am more worried about:
Multi branch
Serial numnbertracking
Multi currency
even of we don't implement this now, we should make sure it is provided
for in the database.
Stephan
reporting a glitch in programming. Can you please send
Thanx
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Can everyone please use this link for posting bugs.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=86088&atid=578365
It is of no vlaue to report bugs byt postiung them on the forum or by sending out email. Only by using the reportiung system can we be sure fo monitoring closing and updating them.
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I a while ago asked about say setup feature for turbo cash with now real joy from any one about this I now found that software by personal accounts does this with its easy to setup accounts www..accountz.com which turbo cash does not as you can not customize turbo cash to suit your own need are stuck with how the programmer thinks it should be a good software should have the user in mind and what there what from it as I need ease of use and setup plus customising the setup to the individual requirements.
It seems asking for feature here is like talking to a brick wall what's the point of it being open source if you just don't listen to users who are important. T0
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From: Philip Copeman
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Philip Copeman
commercial product it is customer driven, it follows the money. I am busy trying to refine this system. Will get back to you as soon as I have it.
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Buy looking at www.accountz.Com website they are making the money on it buy having a software that the user wants just look at there customer comments who are also accountants http://WWW.personalaccounts.co.UK/customer.HTML. Ease of use is the best seller for any software as accountz.Com have cracked it.simple easy to use.
To current my spelling
A while ago I asked about easy setup features in source forge and in the forum on the website under ease of use for turbo cash with now real joy from any one about this I now found that software by personal accounts does this with its easy to setup accounts www..accountz.com which turbo cash does not as you can not customize turbo cash to suit your own need you are stuck with how the programmer thinks it should be a good software should have the user in mind and what they also require I need ease of use and setup plus customising the setup to the individual requirements. It seems asking for feature here is like talking to a brick wall what's the point of it being open source if you just don't listen to users who ask for new features we are important. T0 |
-------Original Message------- From: Philip Copeman Date: 02/08/06 18:09:19 To: Turb...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database Sorry man I missed that one. |
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Can everyone please use this link for posting bugs.
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It is of no vlaue to report bugs byt postiung them on the forum or by sending out email. Only by using the reportiung system can we be sure of monitoring closing and updating them.
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Stephan wrote: Haven't received the link you were going to send in connection with |
Reporting a glitch in programming. Can you please send |
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Thanx
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I agree about message.db. Pieter seems to think it is all right. |
I have found one really good use of the current structure around |
Message.db. In a Point of sale environment with high repetition of lots
Of small similar documents. TurboCASH saves space in an order of Magnitude of about 5 times. |
I think if we are going to redesign the Dartabase now is the time to do |
It. Pieter is gogit fro a simple conversion, nby leavign the database Moreor less in tack, many of the rountines coem though with little change. |
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I am more worried about:
Multi branch
Serial numnbertracking Multi currency |
Even of we don't implement this now, we should make sure it is provided For in the database. |
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Henry Eko H wrote: Hi, |
The move to firebird is on roll.
It is great. And now database optimation can be started.
The first issue of the database is to replace the messages.db / message.db
The firebird / mysql is already support varchar. So I think message.db is
No Longer necessary. |
It is also will create a nice boost over performance because long messages / |
Descriptions no longer must refer to message.db. It will increase Significantly in reporting performance. |
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But it will also make this a great task, because much of the architecture
Must be adjusted accordingly. But I'm sure the benefit is far more greater.
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Sorry if this is already in your development task. Just put out another Idea |
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Salam
Henry Eko H Kokutama Komputer
Roxy Square Lt. 1 Blok A9/ no. 15 Jl. Kiai Tapa no. 1 Tomang, Jakarta 11440 Telp. 021-56954332 Fax. 021-56954332 __________ NOD32 1.1398 (20060207) Information __________
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Henry Eko H
solution that suit the needs of users.
basically, turbocash carry on this mission.
but then there come great consequenses.
how to make this as a business so developer can make a living from it.
in developing country. a GNP of under $300 / month. $40 is worth every
penny.
this is were opensource solution came in place.
but if you live in america or europe, the choice is vary. with $40, you can
choose any software that fit your needs.
never has been in the history a opensource accounting software make this
far.
turbocash not also suit a small medium company, but also scale down to
personal use.
a single software, very customizable, without the need to split the
software, fits many needs, interna
the only chalange is to create the precise setup for each needs.
this is a great chalange of balance.
but we can look up to another successfull opensource software such as
- Compiere, opensource ERP, bussiness driven
- Mandrake, a linux distro, bussiness driven
my two cents.
Salam
Henry Eko H
Kokutama Komputer
Roxy Square Lt. 1 Blok A9/ no. 15
Jl. Kiai Tapa no. 1 Tomang, Jakarta 11440
Telp. 021-56954332 Fax. 021-56954332
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From: cost1uk [mailto:cos...@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 09 Februari 2006 4:44
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
Buy looking at www.accountz.Com <http://www.accountz.com/> website they are
making the money on it buy having a software that the user wants just look
at there customer comments who are also accountants
http://WWW.personalaccounts.co.UK/customer.HTML. Ease of use is the best
seller for any software as accountz.Com have cracked it.simple easy to use.
To current my spelling
A while ago I asked about easy setup features in source forge and in the
forum on the website under ease of use for turbo cash with now real joy from
any one about this I now found that software by personal accounts does this
with its easy to setup accounts www..accountz.com
<http://www..accountz.com/> which turbo cash does not as you can not
http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com/>
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From: Philip Copeman <mailto:phi...@pinksoft.co.za>
Date: 02/08/06 21:31:14
To: Turb...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving towards the new database
Thanks I will look at it. TurboCASH has never been developing faster.
Unfortunately it developes where the money chases it. In that sense Open
Source is like any
commercial product it is customer driven, it follows the money. I am busy
trying to refine this system. Will get back to you as soon as I have it.
cost1uk wrote:
I a while ago asked about say setup feature for turbo cash with now real joy
from any one about this I now found that software by personal accounts does
this with its easy to setup accounts www..accountz.com
<http://www..accountz.com/> which turbo cash does not as you can not
customize turbo cash to suit your own need are stuck with how the
programmer thinks it should be a good software should have the user in mind
and what there what from it as I need ease of use and setup plus customising
the setup to the individual requirements.
It seems asking for feature here is like talking to a brick wall what's the
point of it being open source if you just don't listen to users who are
important. T0
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http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=86088&atid=578365
Thanx
Henry Eko H wrote:
Hi,
Salam
Henry Eko H
http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com/>
cost1uk
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But what's the point of saying your free then want to charge people money for new features you might as well by Microsoft at least you no your being taken for a ride. When you ask for new features when I can get them free from www.accountz.com as part of there development with no charge to me I make one payment of 29.99 to buy. When turbo cash programmers want as (Philip says Our top programmers earn around 5000 pounds per month.) You want a software that's easy to use not more complicated than Microsoft beats the point. Not better than Microsoft the same. I see open source just another Microsoft in disguise. At least yes the lay out of personal accounts is poor but it does what I require the way I require it easy to set up just write in categories and I am away in 5 minutes
I don't want to spend ages on turbo cash setting it up to use. Have better things to do which is run my business not trying to sought out turbo cash.
Free cents
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Jan Verlaan
to support MANY businescases.
TurboCASH is flexible in this way, but need configuration before using it.
If you want out of the box workable software, the functionality will be
limited and mostly you discover after some time that you use software
that doesn't meet your needs.
TurboCASH can be changed in setup by parameter to fit again, even if
your company needs changes.
But glad that there are ALSO many out-there that do like TurboCASH very
much. I'am one of them.
Oh, before I forget to mention.
If your busines is your core business, you definitly want to have an
accounting system that supports you in making the right dissions based
on financial facts. Not only a accounting system to store your data for
your accountant and Tax department.
See here where TurboCASH delivers this functionality also in reporting
flexibility.
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> money for new features you might as well by Microsoft at least you no
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> of there development with no charge to me I make one payment of 29.99
> to buy. When turbo cash programmers want as (Philip says Our top
> programmers earn around 5000 pounds per month.) You want a software
> that's easy to use not more complicated than Microsoft beats the
> point. Not better than Microsoft the same. I see open source just
> another Microsoft in disguise. At least yes the lay out of personal
> accounts is poor but it does what I require the way I require it easy
> to set up just write in categories and I am away in 5 minutes
> I don't want to spend ages on turbo cash setting it up to use. Have
> better things to do which is run my business not trying to sought out
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I have used turbo cash setup is to complicated I have to use 2 dozen different functions before I get what I will need and will take time to learn I don't with www.accountz.Com personal accounts small business accounts its install set up in just 5 minutes and I am ready to go no splits just simple easy to use you want to concentrate on your business not wasting time with complicated software. Like turbocash in its present form waist of time..
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Date: 02/09/06 11:32:28
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Software should be about simplicity that's the point turbocash is about creating a bureaucracy theres to much red tape already may by because this is used my accountants who seem to love bureaucracy and red tape that's its so complected not simple and what a better world that would be no buereacrats.
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Jan Verlaan
to this tread.
Behaving pessimistic and sarcasm is not being something a entrepreneur
should do. That's scaring your customers and the people around you.
Please do use your accounting system that you like most and definitely
you will come back later on. Nobody is forcing you to TC.
Which you all wisdom to make your business successful.
Kind regards,
Jan
cost1uk wrote:
> Software should be about simplicity that's the point turbocash is
> about creating a bureaucracy theres to much red tape already may by
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> /*To:*/ Turb...@googlegroups.com <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>
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Philip Copeman
I think "cost1uk" brings up many valid points. His criticism is not of TurboCASH, but of the whole open source concept. I have been juggling with this for a while now. How do we get funding to move through the project? There should be some kind of Bounty and Auction system. At the moment we only have the extreme : If YOU want it, then YOU go and make it. The program advances in the areas that those who want to take it, take it. To date that has worked well, but there are frustrated members. Take a real world example, Branch accounting. It will cost about $ 40 000 to make a branch accounting version of TurboCASH. We have a number of developers in the project who are capable of developing and a number of users that want it. Our competitors, the commercial developers take the $ 40 000 risk and includs it in the next upgrade for which they charge. What we are looking for is for one user to pay the 40 000 Dollars, the developer makes it and then everyone else gets it for free. This is how it has worked for the last 2 years. The biggest risktaker so far being myself. The users don't want to pay $ 40 000 for Branch Accounting, but they would be prepared to pay say $2000. We need some mechanism - lottery - auction - "stockvel" - pyramid scheme, whereby those that want to contribute to a pool do so and those that need it, pay to take it out. I am not sure how to balance this. I have some ideas here: The 40 Page version The One Page version
The above is essentially what we do with Plugins, but there a developer chooses to take the plugin on at risk, what we are looking for is a way that the user can take the plugin on at risk. Even Better is to give the "Early adopters" some financial benefit . I put in $ 1000 for branch accounting at the beginnijng and in the end I get the Branch accounting AND I get $ 2000 out.
Can you Game Theorists and financial whizkids see if you can come up with a working idea?
cost1uk
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One way would be to have a basic free version and a professional version that requires to
Purchase to use the basic version free then if you require further feature upgrade to a professional version.
Which would generate the revenue for development and new easy features that could then begin to generate
Revenue that you require to fund development costs.
Hope this starts idea on how to develop the features that a lot of us users really want.
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From: Philip Copeman
Date: 02/09/06 13:31:25
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Jan Verlaan
perhaps I did not fully understand your postings.
Maybe I missed a part of that discussion you had with Philip?
With your last posting I can mostly agree. ;-)
Still a framework has to be made to make that possible. Anybody has a
suggestion?
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> One way would be to have a basic free version and a professional
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> Purchase to use the basic version free then if you require further
> feature upgrade to a professional version.
> Which would generate the revenue for development and new easy features
> that could then begin to generate
> Revenue that you require to fund development costs.
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> Hope this starts idea on how to develop the features that a lot of us
> users really want.
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> /*From:*/ Philip Copeman <mailto:phi...@pinksoft.co.za>
> /*Date:*/ 02/09/06 13:31:25
> /*To:*/ Turb...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:Turb...@googlegroups.com>; turboc...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:turboc...@googlegroups.com>
> /*Subject:*/ Re: Moving towards the new database
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> I think "cost1uk" brings up many valid points. His criticism is not of TurboCASH, but of the whole open source concept. I have been juggling with this for a while now. How do we get funding to move through the project?
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> There should be some kind of Bounty and Auction system. At the moment we only have the extreme : If YOU want it, then YOU go and make it. The program advances in the areas that those who want to take it, take it. To date that has worked well, but there are frustrated members.
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> Take a real world example, Branch accounting. It will cost about $ 40 000 to make a branch accounting version of TurboCASH. We have a number of developers in the project who are capable of developing and a number of users that want it. Our competitors, the commercial developers take the $ 40 000 risk and includs it in the next upgrade for which they charge. What we are looking for is for one user to pay the 40 000 Dollars, the developer makes it and then everyone else gets it for free. This is how it has worked for the last 2 years. The biggest risktaker so far being myself.
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> The users don't want to pay $ 40 000 for Branch Accounting, but they would be prepared to pay say $2000. We need some mechanism - lottery - auction - "stockvel" - pyramid scheme, whereby those that want to contribute to a pool do so and those that need it, pay to take it out. I am not sure how to balance this.
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> The 40 Page version <http://www.box.co.za/wiki/index.php/Good_Things>
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> The One Page version <http://www.box.co.za/wiki/index.php/Summary#The_TurboCASH_Project>
Philip Copeman
Unless you can program yourself, the only way to get the program to move in the direction you want is to come up with the money. Harsh as it may seem - that is exactly how the rest of us work. Take a look at my article "The Accounting Market" to see the dangers of trying make the program "easy".
Philip Copeman
TurboCASH is a General Ledger for Small Business or Departments of large Companies. We don't do much, but we do POST TRANSACTIONS INTO ACCOUNTS. We do it in any Language you like and we do it under GAAP (generally Accepted Accounting Principles).