TW 5.0.13 File Size & Proformance

[Chemaster]

I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg in size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.  I currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back more and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of using any.

The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.

Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation should I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to prevent issues?

Thanks,

Chemaster

[PMario]

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:

I have a Tiddly Wiki 5.0.13 file that has 101 Tiddliers and is 3.7 meg in size encrypted. Of coarse the blank size was around point .8 meg or so.  I currently have a few images embed within the program but will cut back more and more if possible. I am not using any addon's will have no plans of using any.

The latest version supports external images now. So have a look.
 

The file will be used locally on a hard drive but I plan on expanding it to around 500 - 1000 Tiddliers' total.

Should be no problem. ... but depends a little bit on your computer hardware :)
 

Currently there are no proformance issues but given this situation should I expect some later on? Should I do certain now in advance to prevent issues?

If you stay with external images, if they are big, and keep small thumbnails in the TW (for stand alone offline use), imo you should be fine. If I need jpg images I convert them to be less then 100kByte, if possible.

-m

[Chemaster]

Ok, great thanks ....

I've went in and removed all embedded images but have also added more Tiddilers so my file size in now 3.4meg.  (without any images) and about 150 Tiddilers.

Anyone please post your experience and what size your TW file size is. Thanks in advance!

Anything is working fine as mentioned but I want to prepare in advance because I will need around 500 - 700 Tiddilers so I can envision a file size 9 meg. I have a good computer but am not sure if the file mechanics breaks down at some point. :)

Thanks,

[PMario]

Have a look at your $:/HistoryList tiddler.

If it is big, just delete it.

-mario

[Ton Gerner]

Hi Chemaster,

Windows 7, Firefox 30, TW 5.0.13
Filesize 6 MB
1000 tiddlers
30 (relatively small) embedded images

Editing is slow when certain tabs are open (especially the Recent tab); otherwise no problem at all.

Cheers,

Ton

[Chemaster]

OMG, I deleted it and the file size went from 3,467 KB to 1,638 KB.

1. What is the purpose of this tiddiler?
2. What are the adverse effects of deleting it?
3. Can I control the size automatically

If there are no adverse effects all my worries are gone!

Thanks!

Chemaster

[Alberto Molina]

2. What are the adverse effects of deleting it?

 
None

[David Gifford]

One other thing to keep in mind is that when you add complex list filters to lots of tiddlers, or to your viewtemplate, that will also slow TW down.

[PMario]

On Friday, June 27, 2014 1:42:38 PM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:

OMG, I deleted it and the file size went from 3,467 KB to 1,638 KB.

1. What is the purpose of this tiddiler?

At the moment, it is just there to collect some history info. Jeremy mentioned, that he will try to limit the number of "logs" in future versions.
 

2. What are the adverse effects of deleting it?

IMO no effect atm. May be some custom plugins may use that info.
 

3. Can I control the size automatically

not yet, ...

-m

[Michael]

Would it be a good idea to have a way to 'estimate the size of individual tiddlers' (knowing that we are talking about one file here!)? Get somehow an indication which particular portions of your TW contribute most to file size?

I use TW5 as a project management tool. It has currently about 10MB (708 tiddlers excluding shadows and tiddlers, only two small pictures). It starts to get sluggish on my older notebook, and on my iPad 3 it takes about 20 secs to load and about 10 secs to save a tiddler. I toyed with the idea of using an encrypted TW for a personal diary including photos, but my iPad doesn't take that.

I had no idea about this HistoryList tiddler and will hurry to delete it!

Cheers,

Michael

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:24:25 AM UTC+2, Chemaster wrote:

[Jeremy Ruston]

For 5.0.14 I've adjusted things so that the $:/HistoryList tiddler isn't included when the wiki is saved. This should avoid it getting too large.

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/3ff7462afd5414b92680c6b6e67274be79233224

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[Michael]

Deleting HistoryList brought the file size down from 9.8 MB to 7.5 MB. Deleting 4 PDFs that I dumped in and forgot about  brought me down to 5.3 MB.The empty 5.1.13 is 915 KB. I wonder whether the delta all comes from my 708 tiddlers, or whether there are other goodies like HistoryList that blow up file size?

Cheers,

Michael

[Xavier Cazin]

Hi Michael,

AFAIK, any size difference between an empty TW and yours (provided that they have the same TW version) can only come from plugins and/or your own tiddlers. Once you made sure that the plugins were under control (via the Plugins tab of the Control Panel), you may want to split your wiki file into individual tiddler files so that you can look at their respective sizes.

For that, you need to install the NodeJS version then on the command line:

• init a new TW folder myTWfolder with server-related plugins

tiddlywiki ./myTWfolder --init server

• split up your standalone file into ./myTWfolder/

tiddlywiki ./myTWfolder --load ~/Downloads/zjqLKRb8.html

1. list all the tiddler files sorted by revert order of size

ls -lSr ./myTWfolder/tiddlers/

Cheers,

X.

-- Xavier Cazin

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