Question about the TiddlyWiki GG

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Charlie Veniot

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Sep 16, 2021, 8:19:39 AMSep 16
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Am I correct in saying that GG moderators do not and cannot edit posts by members?

Jeremy Ruston

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Sep 16, 2021, 8:31:57 AMSep 16
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Hi CJ

That's correct, Google Groups allows admins to delete posts and to reply to the author, but nothing else.

Best wishes

Jeremy

Charlie Veniot

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Sep 16, 2021, 9:22:26 AMSep 16
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Thanks for the confirmation, Jeremy.  That is the way I like things.

And the push I needed to bail on TiddlyTalk completely.

Re TiddlyTalk, I don't know which is worse:  that people's posts can be edited by moderators, or that there is no clear "Terms of Use" or other indicator that posts can be edited by moderators.  I recommend that TiddlyTalk make it very clear that moderators can and do edit posts, and make it very clear what the intent and related policies are.

BTW, it isn't about trust.  Sure I trust the moderators.  I also trust that to err is human.  We are human

An analogy:

Jack arrives at the pub with two black eyes, and the lads ask: "What's with the black eyes?"

Jack points at his left one and says:  "I was at the concert in the park last night.  In front of me is a lady in a summer dress, and she has a serious wedgie, the dress right up the crack of the bum and it looks ridiculously uncomfortable.  So I decided to help her out by gently tugging on the dress at bum level to remove the wedgie.  That's when she turned around and punched me right in the left eye."

The lads:  "Oh man.  You moron.  Why the right black eye?"

Jack:  "When I came to, I realized that I had really upset the lady, and I felt awful about it.  So after I got up off the ground, I stuck out these three fingers with my hand like so, and poked the dress back in."

The intentions may be good, but are they appropriate?

Just because one can do something, should one really do it?

And if you have given yourself the right to do something, should that right be very well indicated and should there be an opportunity for consent?  (i.e. if the user does not give consent, then user cannot join.)

Something like that.

Jeremy Ruston

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Sep 16, 2021, 9:31:31 AMSep 16
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Hi CJ

Thanks for the confirmation, Jeremy.  That is the way I like things.

And the push I needed to bail on TiddlyTalk completely.

I think the incident was a momentary misjudgement on the part of an individual. It has led to a healthy discussion about what users expect when they write a post, and I think the conclusion is that the power to edit should only be used in exceptional circumstances. The admins have always had the power to delete posts and avoided exercising it except for spam, and so I don't see a reason to think that the new power to edit posts would be abused either.

But of course I understand from your comments elsewhere that you have other concerns with talk.tiddlywiki.org about usability and simplicity which may well be more significant factors in your decisions. I'd just like to say that it is an experiment; we're feeling our way to what is right for this community, and so necessarily it will take a little time for things to settle down.

Best wishes

Jeremy

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CJ Veniot

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Sep 16, 2021, 10:06:30 AMSep 16
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Well, personal cognitive issues regarding TiddlyTalk aside, edit of posts by moderators, in and of itself, is reason enough for me to not participate in a forum.

That kind of thing goes against my personal I.T. philosophies ("protect the system", "protect the users from bad system behaviour", "don't mess with the users data unless asked to mess with it", "don't break things", "no surprises", "no hidden interfaces", yadda yadda yadda.)

Deletion of any posts that are not in line with terms of use policies, that I totally agree with.  Tagging posts to make them easy to find, that's very cool.

And views vary depending on the thing.  Forum vs Wiki vs Blog vs whatever.

Doesn't matter.  I'll stop harping about it.



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