Is there any plugins for providing site users leave messages on my tiddlywiki site?

[molly]

Dear Group Member,

I am a new tiddlywiki site user and i feel great interested in making
tiddlywiki website..and i built a personal web-blog site on
tiddlyspot..

What i am struggling is that i hope my friends can leave me feedback
or messages on my tiddlywiki site after they viewed my site. That
would be awesome if the site can have that special tiddler providing
such functions.

Does any one of you know how can i do or what kind of plugin can i
install for my site? Thanks a lot!! I do appreciate for your answer or
help!!

Molly

[wolfgang]

Welcome Molly,

Either you use the HaloscanMacro together with the free Haloscan
service (for a basic account).

Source http://end.com/~speth/HaloscanMacro.html

Or you choose one of the server side implementations which allow
readers to leave messages on an online TiddlyWiki:

http://tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Server-Side_Solutions

Regards,

W.

[Simon Baird]

There's no good solution. For blogging you might be better off using blogger.com or wordpress.com.

--
simon...@gmail.com

[rakugo]

This is a quite new plugin developed by Michael Mahemoff and should do
exactly what you want!

http://www.tiddlyguv.org/CommentsPlugin.html

You will have to tinker around with permissions however to get the
effect you want.

> simon.ba...@gmail.com

[Eric Shulman]

> This is a quite new plugin developed by Michael Mahemoff and should do
> exactly what you want!
>
> http://www.tiddlyguv.org/CommentsPlugin.html
>
> You will have to tinker around with permissions however to get the
> effect you want.

Well, not *exactly*...

Molly's real issue concerns posting the document online and then
allowing other people to add comments to the remotely-hosted
document. For that, you really *do* need a true server-side
TiddlyWiki system, such as ccTiddly, TiddlyHome, or TiddlyWeb (a very
robust TiddlyWiki server-side system that is currently being developed
at Osmosoft).

According to Michael's writeup, his plugin's primary function is to
"create comments stored as separate tiddlers" and, except for a few
bits of code that support copying of some server-related tiddler
fields (e.g., server.bag, server.host, server.page.revision, etc.), it
doesn't actually contain any server-side related handling.

Of course, if you host your document on a server-side TiddlyWiki
system that supports multiple user access controls, it should be
possible for others to access and safely modify the tiddlers in that
document... but that ability is completely separate from the tiddler-
creating functions of Micheal's plugin.

Note: I also have a pair of TiddlyTools plugins that does something
quite similar to the Michael's plugin (with some extra TiddlyTools-
style "bell-and-whistle" features, of course ;-)

http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#CommentPlugin
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#DiscussionPlugin

CommentPlugin provides several different options for how the comments
are stored in the document:
* all comments embedded directly into the tiddler being commented
upon
* all related comments in one separate 'comments' tiddler
* each comment in a separate tiddler

DiscussionPlugin works *with* CommentPlugin to automatically gather a
set of related comments for a given tiddler and present an easy-to-use
interface for reading, reviewing and posting comments of your own in
response.

When using DiscussionPlugin, each comment is stored separately, using
a title that is auto-generated by combining the title of the tiddler
being commented upon, plus a number sequence composed of the current
'timestamp' plus a random decimal number, so that each comment tiddler
is guaranteed to have a unique title.

In addition to providing a macro to embed a discussion in any given
tiddler, DiscussionPlugin can also automatically modify the default
shadow ViewTemplate to add separate "Page" and "Discussion" tabs to
*every* tiddler: .... The "Page" tab shows the normal content for that
tiddler... the "Discussion" tab presents the related comments and an
input form for entering new comments. If you are using a customized
ViewTemplate, the plugin documentation includes some instructions on
how to hand-edit your template to add the needed defintions.

Of course, as with Michael's plugin, none of this actually address the
hosted, server-side, multi-user read/write access issues that Molly
has asked about...

-e
Eric Shulman
TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios

[molly]

Hi Folks,
Thank you so much for your specific answer..you guys really help me
solve the prob!! The group is awesome..
I appreciate it!!

Molly

[molly]

Hi folks,

sorry i tried both

http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#CommentPlugin
http://www.TiddlyTools.com/#DiscussionPlugin

those plugins are really nice but like what Eric analyzed, if visitors
or friends browse my site and want to leave me comments, sure they
won't have my password or access to save their comments to the web,
what i use is tiddlyspot.com (and i don't think i can tell them
password)
so i tried to make comments on my own site with no access to my
webpage, and after i clicked the 'post' button for comments, it can
show my comments temporarily, but after i refreshed my browser and re-
opened my site, sure those comments disappeared cause they were not
saved to the web with no password.

Do any of you think there will be any possible way to solve the
problem or it is impossible?

Thanks again

Molly

[wolfgang]

If you don't use a real multiuser server side solution, than only
something like HaloscanMacro remains. There are other similar
Commenting services available, where your comments get stored on an
online service somewhere else, but still possible to be displayed in a
tiddler:

How this is implemented you can for example see on TW Help - which is
quite a big TW with 1.5MB and takes it's time to load in your browser
- by clicking on: "Leave your comments/suggestions here (2)"

http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com/#CommentResponses

Or for Prince TiddlyWiki here:

http://ptw.sourceforge.net/#FeedBack

Regards,

W.

[dad...@orange.fr]

Hello,
I am using a modified version of Tiddlywiki with blog functions and I
needed this kind of comment stuff.
I am writting my own with juste some lines of php code and an easy
integration into tiddlers : basicly an iframe with php call and a
param for comment number related to this tiddler.
The php code and comment folder will be on the server, the Twiki page
also but no database is needed, just plain text.
It is almost working but I have some issue with characters formatting
that I hope to fix shortly.
Then It will work.
Told you
Dadoo

[dad...@orange.fr]

Hello !

Just a word to say that a new version specilaised into making easy
blogs of TiddlyWiki is in the way. I'll call it twikiblog ^^
I fixed bad character formatting and i plan to put it online for the
end of this week to test every possible issue in the real.
Everything runs fine in a very simple way : upload a folder with the
index file and the php folder and script. To create a comment area
into a tiddler, just copy those lines :

<html>
<IFRAME id=cadre style="WIDTH: 668px; HEIGHT: 386px"
border=0 name=cadre frameSpacing=0 src="feedback/message.php?page=25"
frameBorder=NO
width=750></FONT></IFRAME>
</html>

where [page=25] is the textfile number where to stock the messages
posted from this tiddler. That's all. You can read each text file from
your ftp client and edit or delete some of them.

If someone still interested I could publish sources later when all ok.

Dadoo

[pearl08]

>
> If someone still interested I could publish sources later when all ok.
>

I'm interested to see the source in action. I've been trying to
utilize CommentPlugin and DiscussionPlugin (unable to get AutoSave to
work with this). I've also been looking for BramChen's CommentPlugin
to work. Have not yet been able to get this imported properly. Please
post when you're ready.

Thanks

pearl08

[M)]

I wonder if ExternalTiddlerPlugin or other similar plugin would be
helpful. I have no experience with it so I leave it to someone like
Eric to take it from here.

What this means is that the protected tiddlyspot file would include a
tiddler from a second tiddlyspot file where comments are contained.
It would appear as a single tiddlyspot file if my imagination matches
reality, though still be two files.