Timeline question

[Mary]

Is there anyway to track which tiddlers have been opened recently,
like a history? The timeline seems to only update if you make a change
to the tiddler.

Thanks!

[Dave Parker]

try BreadcrumbsPlugin at http://www.tiddlytools.com

[Dave Parker]

(ignor if my first reply comes through after all...)

try BreadcrumbsPlugin at http://www.tiddlytools.com

On Mar 14, 1:12 pm, Mary <trau...@hotmail.com> wrote:

[FND]

> Is there anyway to track which tiddlers have been opened recently,
> like a history? The timeline seems to only update if you make a change
> to the tiddler.

Not exactly what you asked for, but maybe this helps:
http://www.tiddlytools.com/#BreadcrumbsPlugin
This doesn't persist beyond a single session though.

A most/recently-visited plugin might be difficult, as the document would
have to be altered whenever a tiddler is opened to save the view count.

-- F.

[Mary]

Ok, this looks promising for a start. I'd seen this in TiddlyTools -
but I didn't really understand what it was used for.

Thanks!

[Michael.Tarnowski]

Mary,
you can store and view the currently open tiddlers with Eric's
StorySaverPlugin resp. StoryViewerPlugin: www.tiddlytools.com
Cheers Michael

[Morris Gray]

Mary,

You should have a look at the way this is done at VisualTW. Tabs are
opened at the top of the viewer indicating what tiddlers are open. It
quite a classy way of showing what's open and with a way to close the
tiddlers on each tab.

Go to http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html and open a few
tiddlers from the main menu and see the tabs open.

Morris Gray
http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com
A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners

[Mary]

I am liking the tabs approach of TiddlyBars. I like the way you can
set it up such that clicking the current tab closes all the other
tabs, so it's easy to 'clean up'.

Initially I forgot to put the <div> for the tabs bar in my page
template. That made an interesting effect - one tiddler per page. I'm
thinking that might be of use, but I'm too tired to think right now!

I'm going to play around with this a little more. I'm working on a
view-only front-line support wiki - and I need to make things as
simple and straightforward as possible.

Thanks for the help!

[Morris Gray]

On Mar 18, 9:40 am, Mary <trau...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am liking the tabs approach of TiddlyBars. I like the way you can
> set it up such that clicking the current tab closes all the other
> tabs, so it's easy to 'clean up'.

Hi Mary,

I thought I was hallucinating when clicking on the current tab closed
all others. I didn't think it was a deliberate feature. And if it
was, was it an intuitive one? Like you I was experimenting with it the
twilight hours, far beyond my 'use by hour'

My panic button for TiddlyWiki overload, has always been clicking on
my home-grown 'home button' that clears all tiddlers and loads the
DefaultTiddlers; just to keep one from falling into the abyss at 3 am
in the morning. And reminding one to turn the computer's on/off button
to 'off' :-)

Still this is the first time I have spent a lot of time seriously
playing with TiddlyBars and since it's first inception I've been
longing spend some time with it. It's interesting to note that some
of the biggest software companies it the world were, not long ago,
saying tabs in a browser was the result of their billion dollar
research :-)

Still, if set up properly, TiddlyBars is a real asset to, at least,
one of TiddlyWiki's many faceted attributes

TiddlyWiki, it's creators, and carers, has always got there first :-)

Morris Gray
http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com
A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners

[Alex Hough]

Hi Mary and Morris,

A good question and a good suggestion has highlighted the TiddlyBars pluggin:  I wouldn't have thought to use it without either question or suggestion.

For me  TiddlyBars really makes the TW experience better. The recursive nature of TW is one of the things I like about it, and now that it looks like Firefox makes it more appealing.

The next thing step for me is to loose the large site title, so that the TiddlyBars sit right under my firefox tabs. 

Nice and neat

Alex
ps. I would be interested to hear any comments about this:
http://r.a.hough.googlepages.com/MefVSMwiki.html

[Simon Baird]

On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Alex Hough <r.a....@googlemail.com> wrote:

ps. I would be interested to hear any comments about this:
http://r.a.hough.googlepages.com/MefVSMwiki.html

It's pretty cool.

Just for fun I did this:
* Tag People, Events, Institutions as "Environment"
* Use <<tagging Environment>> instead of the table. It doesn't look quite right but css can remove the "tagging:" label, ie


.sliderPanel .listTitle {display:none;}

--
simon...@gmail.com

[Alex Hough]

Thanks Simon,

...especially for saying it is 'cool' - i feel it is a landmark in my tiddlyCareer, to get a compliment from a TiddlyMeister such as yourself! :)

People, Events and Institutions are part of the Environment. Having them structurally defined as such adds to the rigor of the design. But where do you stop?  I love tagging but am aware I can do too much of it, especially when it is as much fun is taggly tagging.

I really like MPTW, taggly tagging and the way it makes you think and organise thoughts. The 'new here' in is the key to fluid ideas recording. I have found that the TiddlerBar works so well with MPTW - such a cool plugin.

Apart from TiddlyWikik I am a slave to The Viable System Model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viable_System_Model

My wiki is an attempt to use this model in a TW

For me TiddlyWiki sort of fits in with The Recursive system theorem, part of the viable system model:

In a recursive organizational structure any viable system contains, and is contained in, a viable system.

Sort of like fractals, like the fractal cauliflower [1]
The whole TW set up is very fractal for me, and now with the tiddlerBar, even more so....

I am curious about Jeremy's eureka moment with regard to TW. Is all software a bit fractal, or is it just TW? Am I reading something into nothing here? Does anyone know? Does the man himself know? Was TW conceived in a gentle slumber on a Sunday afternoon?

I'm off for a slumber now. Its 2.00pm time for a tea an cake,


Alex
[1] http://tiddlywiki.com/#EmbeddedImages%20Feedback

[Dave Parker]

On Mar 18, 8:23 am, "Alex Hough" <r.a.ho...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Apart from TiddlyWikik I am a slave to The Viable System Model:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viable_System_Model
>
> My wiki is an attempt to use this model in a TW
>

That looks interesting. I never would have come across this in a
million years if I wasn't into TW... Are you going to be developing
this at the link you provided earlier so we can occasionally look
there and see how its progressing? I'm imagining that eventually the
S1-S5 stuff will fill in with more examples...

DP

[Alex Hough]

Hi Dave,

I am developing an empty TW which i can use to organise anything using the viable system model - a bit like a GTD TW, but something that uses Stafford Beer's ideas.

I will post my emptyVSMwiki up there if you like.   I am working on TW that explains the Viable System Model ... i am learning as I go a long... a bit like TW- they make a good pair of teachers for me... kinda learning by doing.

This particular TW is for an economist to look out into the environment, organise it in ways he thinks fit and make notes.  I am not sure he will use the systems.. i hope he does one day though ;)

The S1-S5 stuff is to tag idea or information that relate to the different systems in the Viable Systems. 
S5: this is about policy and values for the whole system. what does it what to do.
S4: is about looking out into the environment and seeing what is going to happen and deciding how much to understand and catagorise what is seen and how much to fliter out.
S3: looks inward.  it takes care of boring stuff like audits and monitoring. It looks for efficiencies in the opperation and spends a lot of time co-ordinating systems two and one.
S2: management of main activities, system ones: there can be many
S1: is about the primary activity. For the economist it is producing knowledge.

The economist needs to build his system so that his values become stronger, his policy becomes clear, his forecasts are spot on and he knows what everyone else is saying (good system 4) so can pull ideas together quickly and output them with his model [1].  Hopefully TW and the Viable System Model will help him do this, without his head being mashed with global meltdown .... and Taggly Tagging.

Here's the strange bit: in each system is another whole system, and the whole system is part if a system one...... it took me a while for it it sink in, like TW and tiggly tagging.

More info:
This is a good introduction:
http://www.scio.org.uk/resources/vsmg_3/screen.php?page=home
Going a little more indepth:
http://www.metaphorum.org/
Hey! come along to the next meeting if you are in England:
http://www.scio.org.uk/

[1] If anyone wants some bespoke economic modeling from the glorious ciry of Manchester, home of the industrial revolution and the Stone Roses, let me know, and i will put you in touch...

[Morris Gray]

Hi Alex,

I put TiddlyBars on http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com as an experiment and
now after using it for a few days I am going to have to rearrange TW
Help to use the new method. It looks a bit busy right at the moment
but I did get the tabs to go across the whole screen. Have a look
http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com and tell me what you think. If you click
on the MyGroup in the top menu it will open a lot of tabs across the
top to see what it's like.

I'm not sure what it looks like in IE but don't really care too much
right now. It does make the experience different and much better I
think. It makes the opening at the top and the single page mode a bit
redundant but I still have both operating as choices under Display
Options in the sidebar.

While I'm at it I might say since finding TiddlyWiki I have not been
happy with the jarring effect of having things jump all over the place
when a tiddler opens. That's why I chose to use tabs so extensively
in TW Help so the user wouldn't get lost scrolling so much.
TiddlyBars makes this another step easier to use, I think.

Morris Gray
http://twhelp.tiddlyspot.com
A TiddlyWiki help file for beginners

[Alex Hough]

Hi Morris,

It took a "tiddly moment" for all the tiddlers in Mygroup to open, but the effect is a lot better than of they were opened in the normal way.

I think using tabs make sense, especially for people new to TW. It also looks and feels like 'proper computer program' -  a web application rather than a 'webpage.' I have been having a difficult time explaining TW to people, and think that explaining to them that it is a bit like a "record card box that runs in a  browser." rather than a 'non linear reusable web notebook": 

I have just TiddlyWiked something about Lego:

http://r.a.hough.googlepages.com/Lego.html

Its MPTW with tabs.  I've removed the site title - it can be seen in the firefox tab.

Next Actions?
I am thinking if TW can get acess to the firefox icons. It would be super cool if the close tab icon matched the TW tab
I like the super minimal look that my LegoTW look has.  It is very generic, like index cards and a card box.  It even looks a little grey and boring, which will help some people be less scared and may even warm to it.  (my next door neighbour sells mas spectrometers, and they paint them a reto green colour: his customers want something that they recognize)

Must dash before I get sucked into the TiddlyVortex (which has now got more threatening now that my personal TiddlyVortex  has lego(TM) and starwars(TM) in it.

Alex

[FND]

> I am thinking if TW can get acess to the firefox icons. It would be
> super cool if the close tab icon matched the TW tab

Which Firefox icons? You mean FavIcons*?

Either way, we should probably discuss this in a new thread.

-- F.

* also see http://tinyurl.com/3bnu39
(http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev/browse_thread/thread/49ed86c0c13edf57/f1cbdd1ad4f8d0b4?#f1cbdd1ad4f8d0b4)