How is it that tiddlyspace is still not dead?

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cdent

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Jan 9, 2017, 10:09:58 AM1/9/17
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Looks like tiddlyspace.com is still running, and is continue to generate new content. Most of that content is spam.

This is poor handling in so many different ways I'm not sure I can enumerate them.

I no longer have access to the box to shut things down, but it does appear that I still have enough external access over the API to delete some of the system bags enough that the service will no longer work.

a) Can someone at Osmosoft please shut this thing down rather than letting it turn into a cesspool.

b) If they don't how do other people feel about me sabotaging the service?

Jeremy Ruston

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Jan 9, 2017, 10:40:34 AM1/9/17
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Hi Chris

Looks like tiddlyspace.com is still running, and is continue to generate new content. Most of that content is spam.

This is poor handling in so many different ways I'm not sure I can enumerate them.

John Ryan of Osmosoft’s post of 11th December said this:

We have no control over when Bytemark will actually shut down the server hosting the service. Technically, the contract expired at midnight this past Friday, December 9, but we have been advised that termination is almost never immediate. I would expect the shut down to happen this week sometime.- osmosoft

I think best practice would have been for Osmosoft to have shut the server down and ensured that the hard drives were properly wiped before losing control of the server.

I no longer have access to the box to shut things down, but it does appear that I still have enough external access over the API to delete some of the system bags enough that the service will no longer work.

a) Can someone at Osmosoft please shut this thing down rather than letting it turn into a cesspool.

b) If they don't how do other people feel about me sabotaging the service?

Another component of a nascent plan is that I control the DNS for tiddlyspace.com. As you’ve seen from GitHub, there’s a script prepared to update spaces to an URL specified by the owner:


So, perhaps we should coordinate and perform the two operations at the same time?

Best wishes

Jeremy




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Jan 9, 2017, 10:46:56 AM1/9/17
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2017, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

> Another component of a nascent plan is that I control the DNS for tiddlyspace.com. As you’ve seen from GitHub, there’s a script prepared to update spaces to an URL specified by the owner:
>
> https://github.com/TiddlySpace/tiddlyspace.com-redirects
>
> So, perhaps we should coordinate and perform the two operations at the same time?

I guess an option is to just change the DNS. Once that happens and
propogates the server will only be reachable by IP, and most people
don't know that.

Let's wait and see if anyone has anything to say over the next 24
hours and then if not, we can coordinate tomorrow?

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PMario

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Jan 9, 2017, 11:13:39 AM1/9/17
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On Monday, January 9, 2017 at 4:46:56 PM UTC+1, cdent wrote:
On Mon, 9 Jan 2017, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

Let's wait and see if anyone has anything to say over the next 24
hours ..

+1
-m

Dickon Bevington

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Jan 9, 2017, 7:33:32 PM1/9/17
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It seems to be shut down, at last.

Jeremy Ruston

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Jan 10, 2017, 3:07:11 AM1/10/17
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It seems to be shut down, at last. 

I’ve switched over the DNS entry for http://tiddlyspace.com to point to the new holding page.

TiddlySpace may be dead, but its heart will live on through TiddlyWeb, and the HTTP API for "tiddlers on the web” that it established, and that remains a core part of the TiddlyWiki ecosystem.

Best wishes

Jeremy.

Alice Booth

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Apr 26, 2017, 4:00:55 AM4/26/17
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Hi there,
I didn't use my tiddlyspace very often, it was just a resource that was sitting there, and someone wrote to me and told me the site was dead. This seems to mean I have lost all my content. Is there any way of retrieving it? I didn't have a backup of the most recent incarnation.

Thank you!!

Alice 

PMario

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Apr 26, 2017, 10:46:13 AM4/26/17
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Hi Alice,

There is a good chance, that you didn't access your site for about 1 year, or so... Since every space got a header by the devs, that pointed to the "TiddlySpace Service Update" thread, which made every user aware of the close down.

... Back to

This seems to mean I have lost all my content. Is there any way of retrieving it? I didn't have a backup of the most recent incarnation.

Most likely yes. .. except, If your stuff was part of the Ambit project, or the SunyIt spaces. .. Ambit has a new home, and Steve from Suny may have made backups, with some scripts I provided. ...

-mario

Handoko Suwono

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Apr 26, 2017, 7:55:52 PM4/26/17
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I thought Jeremy had made a mirror of tiddlyspace.com so that he owns
the space domain and the contents are reflected to an internet
archive.

Sorry it's quite in the morning here so I don't have the time to make
a research on it. I have made a backup on my own tiddlyspace and
convert it to a static TW.

handoko -
Surabaya, Indonesia

On 4/26/17, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alice,
>
> There is a good chance, that you didn't access your site for about 1 year,
> or so... Since every space got a header by the devs, that pointed to the
> "TiddlySpace
> Service Upd
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlyspace/gDqcOXvpiZc>ate"
> thread, which made every user aware of the close down.
>
> ... Back to
>
> This seems to mean I have lost all my content. Is there any way of
>> retrieving it? I didn't have a backup of the most recent incarnation.
>>
>
> Most likely yes. .. except, If your stuff was part of the Ambit project, or
>
> the SunyIt spaces. .. Ambit has a new home, and Steve from Suny may have
> made backups, with some scripts I provided. ...
>
> -mario
>

Alice Booth

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May 4, 2017, 4:34:47 AM5/4/17
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Hi there, 
That would be great if he had. Who is Jeremy and how can I get in touch with him to find out if he does have a mirror, and perhaps my data on it too?
Thanks!
Alice

Jeremy Ruston

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May 4, 2017, 4:36:25 AM5/4/17
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Hi Alice

I’m afraid I have only backed up my own spaces, and those of the Anna Freud Centre (the AMBIT manuals).

What was the name of your space(s)?

Best wishes

Jeremy.

Alice Booth

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May 4, 2017, 4:49:41 AM5/4/17
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Ah, that's a shame. My space was called Dramabible.
I suppose that's probably it then, unless anyone has any other suggestions?!
Thanks!

Ben Gillies

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May 4, 2017, 5:06:07 AM5/4/17
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Ah, that's a shame. My space was called Dramabible.
I suppose that's probably it then, unless anyone has any other suggestions?!


I'm not sure how up to date it is though.


Ben 

Alice Booth

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May 4, 2017, 5:20:46 AM5/4/17
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That's amazing, thank you so much! It's more up to date than the last backup I have, so that's great news. It was rarely edited, so I am sure if I have lost anything then it's not very much. 
However, as I am pretty uninformed about all this, do you know how I can export the content from this archive site to put on a new tiddly wiki site?
Thanks!
Alice

Handoko Suwono

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May 4, 2017, 5:21:41 AM5/4/17
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Hi Ben,

I got mine as well.
https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20160310100734/http://astroiseur.tiddlyspace.com/

thanks Ben.

I am not sure how it happens.

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