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GoLong09
Nov 23, 2009, 11:00:56 PM11/23/09
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There are a lot of strong riders with LSR that have worked their way
to being able to go out and conquer all sorts of distance in great
times. There are some of us that are just getting started or just
like to cruise at a slower pace. Next year on the first Saturday of
the month I'm going to try and be available for a slower ride group.
Plan is to start together, stay together and finish together. Riding
as a group is safer and will give more opportunities to finish a ride
than being out there by yourself. Getting that first ride under your
belt is what hooks you on this kind of riding. I'm working over the
winter to be an even stronger rider in 2010 as I'm looking at PBP in
2011. As much as I like setting my new personal best, I like to help
other riders get their new personal best and have a good time doing
it.
My other club when not riding with LSR is Corinth Cycling. I help
lead our B group and usual ride at the back as much as the front.
I've seen a lot of our riders come out and struggle but slowly they
catch on and start adding to the group. They get up front and pull,
help change flats and encourage new riders. They could ride with our
A group but the B group ride is a relaxing ride and we just go out set
a good pace and get to where we plan to be. I've got a few more
Corinth fish on the line now to reel them in to the dark side. I know
there are several riders with LSR that this should be a good fit.
Post up and we can get it going in January if anybody else is
interested.
Danny Sarine
to being able to go out and conquer all sorts of distance in great
times. There are some of us that are just getting started or just
like to cruise at a slower pace. Next year on the first Saturday of
the month I'm going to try and be available for a slower ride group.
Plan is to start together, stay together and finish together. Riding
as a group is safer and will give more opportunities to finish a ride
than being out there by yourself. Getting that first ride under your
belt is what hooks you on this kind of riding. I'm working over the
winter to be an even stronger rider in 2010 as I'm looking at PBP in
2011. As much as I like setting my new personal best, I like to help
other riders get their new personal best and have a good time doing
it.
My other club when not riding with LSR is Corinth Cycling. I help
lead our B group and usual ride at the back as much as the front.
I've seen a lot of our riders come out and struggle but slowly they
catch on and start adding to the group. They get up front and pull,
help change flats and encourage new riders. They could ride with our
A group but the B group ride is a relaxing ride and we just go out set
a good pace and get to where we plan to be. I've got a few more
Corinth fish on the line now to reel them in to the dark side. I know
there are several riders with LSR that this should be a good fit.
Post up and we can get it going in January if anybody else is
interested.
Danny Sarine
Gloria Munson
Nov 25, 2009, 4:16:55 PM11/25/09
to jerry austin, sac...@verizon.net, talk...@googlegroups.com
Danny,
Jerry Austin forwarded your e-mail to me. For some reason, although I'm a member of LSR and talk21lsr, I didn't receive it---I'm concerned that others didn't receive it either so I'm responding to you through the group.
About a month ago, I posted a "desperate" request for riders who ride "half-fast", a term I prefer rather than slow. I'm in that group that you mentioned...and I desire to meet other riders who don't speed to the controls...but still make them in time (sometimes within seconds, sometimes within an hour--depends on the hills). I got several responses and we're forming a networking group to ride together. Your hosting of a monthly perm is an awesome idea....let's join forces.
On New Year's Day 2010, I'm hosting a 102K poplaire in conjunction with Dan's 200K brevet. My hopes are to attract new riders to randonneuring as well as get some other not-so-fast riders out on their bikes and back to Dan's house in time to enjoy some black-eyed peas. What better day to bring people over to the dark side, but on the first day of the year? Please pass this on to your Corinth cyclists....you do not have to be a rando member to ride a poplaire.
Thanks for your volunteer efforts to help those of us who need it,
Gloria Munson
To: glo...@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [LSR] 1st Saturday Slower Ride Group
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:03:07 -0500
From: jer...@aol.com
Jerry Austin forwarded your e-mail to me. For some reason, although I'm a member of LSR and talk21lsr, I didn't receive it---I'm concerned that others didn't receive it either so I'm responding to you through the group.
About a month ago, I posted a "desperate" request for riders who ride "half-fast", a term I prefer rather than slow. I'm in that group that you mentioned...and I desire to meet other riders who don't speed to the controls...but still make them in time (sometimes within seconds, sometimes within an hour--depends on the hills). I got several responses and we're forming a networking group to ride together. Your hosting of a monthly perm is an awesome idea....let's join forces.
On New Year's Day 2010, I'm hosting a 102K poplaire in conjunction with Dan's 200K brevet. My hopes are to attract new riders to randonneuring as well as get some other not-so-fast riders out on their bikes and back to Dan's house in time to enjoy some black-eyed peas. What better day to bring people over to the dark side, but on the first day of the year? Please pass this on to your Corinth cyclists....you do not have to be a rando member to ride a poplaire.
Thanks for your volunteer efforts to help those of us who need it,
Gloria Munson
To: glo...@hotmail.com
Subject: Fwd: [LSR] 1st Saturday Slower Ride Group
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:03:07 -0500
From: jer...@aol.com
There are a lot of strong riders with LSR that have worked their way to being able to go out and conquer all sorts of distance in great times. There are some of us that are just getting started or just like to cruise at a slower pace. Next year on the first Saturday of the month I'm going to try and be available for a slower ride group. Plan is to start together, stay together and finish together. Riding as a group is safer and will give more opportunities to finish a ride than being out there by yourself. Getting that first ride under your belt is what hooks you on this kind of riding. I'm working over the winter to be an even stronger rider in 2010 as I'm looking at PBP in 2011. As much as I like setting my new personal best, I like to help other riders get their new personal best and have a good time doing it. My other club when not riding with LSR is Corinth Cycling. I help lead our B group and usual ride at the back as much as the front. I've seen a lot of our riders come out and struggle but slowly they catch on and start adding to the group. They get up front and pull, help change flats and encourage new riders. They could ride with our A group but the B group ride is a relaxing ride and we just go out set a good pace and get to where we plan to be. I've got a few more Corinth fish on the line now to reel them in to the dark side. I know there are several riders with LSR that this should be a good fit. Post up and we can get it going in January if anybody else is interested. Danny Sarine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lone * Star * Randonneurs" group. To post to this group, send email to Talk...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Talk2LSR+u...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Talk2LSR?hl=en.
StephenH
Nov 27, 2009, 3:15:31 AM11/27/09
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I'm curious how this will work out.
Dan had posted a question a while back asking how best to work it so
slower riders all rode at the same time. And I don't know that it's
an easy thing to work.
One problem is that if you're riding 20 mph, then you look at riders
going 12-14 mph and mentally lump them all into the "slow" category
and assume they're all back there together. But if you're riding 13
mph, the 12 mph rider is behind you, the 14 mph rider is ahead of you,
and you'll only see each other at controls. By the end of a 200k,
you're about 10 miles apart.
If you're riding 20 mph, you can slow down to 19 or 18, and still have
lots of time to spare. And if you draft somebody, maybe you can jump
it up to 21 okay. If you're riding 13 mph, you hate like heck to slow
down any more than that, and may not be physically able to pick it up
significantly, and likely haven't ever done much drafting anyway. So
things just work a little differently at the tail end.
I was able to finish one 200k ride this summer, but had to call two
other attempts off. The problem was that on those attempts, I just
got slower and slower as I went. I was riding by myself, and I'm glad
I was, because it would have been awkward had anyone been riding with
me. They would have either had to call their own rides off, or at
some point said "Sorry, bucko, we've got places to go, see you
later". I'm not sure how a group ought to handle that kind of
problem. Obviously, it would help to declare ahead of time what the
policy is.
Now, I mention the above not to discourage any efforts to get slow
riders riding, but to point out that it may not be as simple as it
sounds.
On a personal note, one thing I'm working on is a faster bike. About
6 weeks ago, I got a Raleigh Sojourn, and that has added about 2.5 mph
to my average speed. I've ridden it on the recent 100k charity rides
down at Ennis and up at Denton. I should have clipless pedals on it
sometime next week, which I've not used before. But hopefully, y'all
should see me out for another 200k here before too long. That'll be
somewhat weather dependent, too. I'm okay in the dry cold or a warm
rain, but not for cold rain.
Dan had posted a question a while back asking how best to work it so
slower riders all rode at the same time. And I don't know that it's
an easy thing to work.
One problem is that if you're riding 20 mph, then you look at riders
going 12-14 mph and mentally lump them all into the "slow" category
and assume they're all back there together. But if you're riding 13
mph, the 12 mph rider is behind you, the 14 mph rider is ahead of you,
and you'll only see each other at controls. By the end of a 200k,
you're about 10 miles apart.
If you're riding 20 mph, you can slow down to 19 or 18, and still have
lots of time to spare. And if you draft somebody, maybe you can jump
it up to 21 okay. If you're riding 13 mph, you hate like heck to slow
down any more than that, and may not be physically able to pick it up
significantly, and likely haven't ever done much drafting anyway. So
things just work a little differently at the tail end.
I was able to finish one 200k ride this summer, but had to call two
other attempts off. The problem was that on those attempts, I just
got slower and slower as I went. I was riding by myself, and I'm glad
I was, because it would have been awkward had anyone been riding with
me. They would have either had to call their own rides off, or at
some point said "Sorry, bucko, we've got places to go, see you
later". I'm not sure how a group ought to handle that kind of
problem. Obviously, it would help to declare ahead of time what the
policy is.
Now, I mention the above not to discourage any efforts to get slow
riders riding, but to point out that it may not be as simple as it
sounds.
On a personal note, one thing I'm working on is a faster bike. About
6 weeks ago, I got a Raleigh Sojourn, and that has added about 2.5 mph
to my average speed. I've ridden it on the recent 100k charity rides
down at Ennis and up at Denton. I should have clipless pedals on it
sometime next week, which I've not used before. But hopefully, y'all
should see me out for another 200k here before too long. That'll be
somewhat weather dependent, too. I'm okay in the dry cold or a warm
rain, but not for cold rain.
Steve Barlow
Nov 27, 2009, 9:31:21 AM11/27/09
to Lone * Star * Randonneurs
On the way home from work this morning, I was struck by how our perceptions
are colored by our experiences. Driving by the full store parking lots, all
I could think was;
"I would not be caught DEAD waking up at 4am to go shopping!"
But those same people would have a similar and opposite opinion of our
rides;
"I would not be caught DEAD waking up at 4am to go exercise!"
Meh, whatever. Just thought it was interesting. Hope everyone had a great
Thanksgiving.
Steve
are colored by our experiences. Driving by the full store parking lots, all
I could think was;
"I would not be caught DEAD waking up at 4am to go shopping!"
But those same people would have a similar and opposite opinion of our
rides;
"I would not be caught DEAD waking up at 4am to go exercise!"
Meh, whatever. Just thought it was interesting. Hope everyone had a great
Thanksgiving.
Steve
RanI Freeman
Nov 27, 2009, 9:59:58 AM11/27/09
to stevej...@verizon.net, lone star randonneurs forum
I had that exact same thought when I saw the line wrapped around the building of Best Buy at 4:30am on my way to swim.
Rani Freeman
Rani Freeman
Dan Driscoll
Nov 27, 2009, 12:35:02 PM11/27/09
to StephenH, Lone * Star * Randonneurs
All good points, but it is still worth a try. If the 14 MPH rider could slow
to 13.5 and the 13 MPH can speed up a half a mile a hour. that's two less
folks that are riding alone. Only they can decide if it is worth the effort
to adjust their pace for the companionship. On many rides I start with a
plan to ride with a specific rider regardless of the pace, and it is agreed
to upfront. On most rides I decide on the ride what to do, depending on way
to many factors to list, but here are some. The decision to wait or not to
wait is a quick one, and could depend on the whether or not that rider will
be riding alone if we do not wait and if they will be riding alone will it
be after dark, are there other riders behind them that they could wait for,
and have company to ride with. Are there easy to miss turns ahead, is it a
new rider unfamiliar with navigating, or one that is used to riding alone.
Would the rider be willing to try to draft to increase their speed and make
it easier for us to ride together? What is the mood of the "Group' is it a
cold day and they all want to get'er done and get home? Or are they in the
mood to hang at a control for 45 mins and soak up some sun, while waiting
for others. On many rides I just do not want to put in the extra effort to
draft or expend the energy to stay with those faster, those can also be some
very enjoyable rides.
All of this aside, what I would really like to see is the organization of
similar speed riders showing up to the same ride. If we get only one 12 MPH
rider showing up to every ride and all the other riders are riding 16 MPH,
that rider will almost always be riding alone. If we can just get a half
dozen riders ranging in overall pace from 10 MPH to 13 MPH, to show up to
the same ride the chances are much higher that at least a couple of riders
will connect for at least part of the ride and that's a great start. These
rides do not have to be 200Km's nor do they need to be hilly routes. I
suggested that they be the first weekend of every month just for simplicity,
and so people could know which weekend to hold open, but I know this will
not always work.
What we do not want is a lot of people that would like to ride together, but
finish a ride 5 or 10 mins apart.
Our Ride Hosts have done a great job of posting a tenitive list of RSVP'ed
riders, to help.
Stephen, Can't wait to see your new ride, and have you back on the Rando
Circuit, your R-12 is waiting for you, and what better day to start than
tomorrow's 200Km out of Willow Park, that would knock out your November 200.
:-), DD.
-----Original Message-----
From: StephenH [mailto:stephen...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:16 AM
To: Lone * Star * Randonneurs
to 13.5 and the 13 MPH can speed up a half a mile a hour. that's two less
folks that are riding alone. Only they can decide if it is worth the effort
to adjust their pace for the companionship. On many rides I start with a
plan to ride with a specific rider regardless of the pace, and it is agreed
to upfront. On most rides I decide on the ride what to do, depending on way
to many factors to list, but here are some. The decision to wait or not to
wait is a quick one, and could depend on the whether or not that rider will
be riding alone if we do not wait and if they will be riding alone will it
be after dark, are there other riders behind them that they could wait for,
and have company to ride with. Are there easy to miss turns ahead, is it a
new rider unfamiliar with navigating, or one that is used to riding alone.
Would the rider be willing to try to draft to increase their speed and make
it easier for us to ride together? What is the mood of the "Group' is it a
cold day and they all want to get'er done and get home? Or are they in the
mood to hang at a control for 45 mins and soak up some sun, while waiting
for others. On many rides I just do not want to put in the extra effort to
draft or expend the energy to stay with those faster, those can also be some
very enjoyable rides.
All of this aside, what I would really like to see is the organization of
similar speed riders showing up to the same ride. If we get only one 12 MPH
rider showing up to every ride and all the other riders are riding 16 MPH,
that rider will almost always be riding alone. If we can just get a half
dozen riders ranging in overall pace from 10 MPH to 13 MPH, to show up to
the same ride the chances are much higher that at least a couple of riders
will connect for at least part of the ride and that's a great start. These
rides do not have to be 200Km's nor do they need to be hilly routes. I
suggested that they be the first weekend of every month just for simplicity,
and so people could know which weekend to hold open, but I know this will
not always work.
What we do not want is a lot of people that would like to ride together, but
finish a ride 5 or 10 mins apart.
Our Ride Hosts have done a great job of posting a tenitive list of RSVP'ed
riders, to help.
Stephen, Can't wait to see your new ride, and have you back on the Rando
Circuit, your R-12 is waiting for you, and what better day to start than
tomorrow's 200Km out of Willow Park, that would knock out your November 200.
:-), DD.
-----Original Message-----
From: StephenH [mailto:stephen...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:16 AM
To: Lone * Star * Randonneurs
Jeri
Nov 27, 2009, 1:41:36 PM11/27/09
to StephenH, Lone * Star * Randonneurs
Stephen,
I think you're right, it is not enough to just declare a ride as 'slow' . There will still be some kind of expectation about speed. If the plan is for everyone to finish together then I think you would need to declare an expected speed for the ride.
Slow or fast is in the eye of the beholder, so if someone tells me hey we're going to have a ride for slow people and we're going to average 12-14mph then I would consider that fast. So it's only fair to make everyone's ride enjoyable by setting the standard at the start.
(sent by a small yellow ball)
I think you're right, it is not enough to just declare a ride as 'slow' . There will still be some kind of expectation about speed. If the plan is for everyone to finish together then I think you would need to declare an expected speed for the ride.
Slow or fast is in the eye of the beholder, so if someone tells me hey we're going to have a ride for slow people and we're going to average 12-14mph then I would consider that fast. So it's only fair to make everyone's ride enjoyable by setting the standard at the start.
(sent by a small yellow ball)
Pam Wright
Nov 27, 2009, 7:30:28 PM11/27/09
to Lone * Star * Randonneurs
Yeah, similar for me this morning. As I drove to my Mom's house (to be a good and dutiful daughter!!), I watched the most gorgeous pink and blue sunrise and thought "what a waste to not be able to enjoy this on the bike."
We''re just sick-o's :)
Pam Wright --- On Fri, 11/27/09, RanI Freeman <ranif...@hotmail.com> wrote: |
Gloria Munson
Nov 27, 2009, 11:53:19 PM11/27/09
to stephen...@yahoo.com, talk...@googlegroups.com, Jeri Beams
Slow is a perception (wasn't it Steve Barlow that started that perception chain). As I mentioned to Danny, I don't like the term "slow" because is has bad connotations and when I'm racing to the control with everything I've got...I don't think I'm slow although some others would. There are many reasons people don't ride with the fast pack--inexperience, injury, athletically challenged, tired or by choice.
I think Danny has the right idea, and personally, I'm thankful that he has volunteered to host a permanent once a month to help some of us become faster. I sent out an e-mail earlier this month in "desperate" hopes to find others of similar speed and got some good responses. Danny spoke out in another way to help us "half-fast" cyclists find riding partners. It doesn't mean that we all have to ride together like a bunch of bees; however, it would be nice to use this as an opportunity to meet other riders who aren't riding as if they are racing. If someone offers me their wheel to draft, I will take is as long as I feel comfortable.
Declaring an expected speed would take a lot of fun out it for me. I'm a cycle-tourist who turned randonneur because it is the closest thing to touring that I can do right now. I'd like to meet others who ride a similar pace and who could help me reach my potential and I could eventually help others. I've ridden with faster riders who slowed down to what they call "a casual pace" and I enjoyed the conversation as well as the tips. I've also encouraged those riders to leave me if the time is too tight to make the controls. Once, I rode with someone who was not feeling well and couldn't ride as fast as me (and I'm not fast). That rider did not discourage me from riding ahead for the last 10 miles so that at least one of us would get credit for the ride.
I am fully prepared to ride alone if I need to....but I'd like the chance meet others within my range. When I ride with others faster than myself, I "give them permission" to ride on if they wish and I expect the same courtesy if I ever meet someone slower than I am.
Cheers to Danny for volunteering to give us a starting point to meet.
Stephen, by the way, my first permanent was in Cleburne on a fat-tire 20-inch wheel folding bike. I had no idea what I was doing. No, I didn't finish the 200K but I met Jerry Austin who slowed down to keep me company until I told him to ride on. I also met some other friendly riders who encouraged me to keep trying. It was my lucky day.
Gloria Munson
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:41:36 -0800
> From: jeri...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [LSR] Re: 1st Saturday Slower Ride Group
> To: stephen...@yahoo.com
> CC: Talk...@googlegroups.com
I think Danny has the right idea, and personally, I'm thankful that he has volunteered to host a permanent once a month to help some of us become faster. I sent out an e-mail earlier this month in "desperate" hopes to find others of similar speed and got some good responses. Danny spoke out in another way to help us "half-fast" cyclists find riding partners. It doesn't mean that we all have to ride together like a bunch of bees; however, it would be nice to use this as an opportunity to meet other riders who aren't riding as if they are racing. If someone offers me their wheel to draft, I will take is as long as I feel comfortable.
Declaring an expected speed would take a lot of fun out it for me. I'm a cycle-tourist who turned randonneur because it is the closest thing to touring that I can do right now. I'd like to meet others who ride a similar pace and who could help me reach my potential and I could eventually help others. I've ridden with faster riders who slowed down to what they call "a casual pace" and I enjoyed the conversation as well as the tips. I've also encouraged those riders to leave me if the time is too tight to make the controls. Once, I rode with someone who was not feeling well and couldn't ride as fast as me (and I'm not fast). That rider did not discourage me from riding ahead for the last 10 miles so that at least one of us would get credit for the ride.
I am fully prepared to ride alone if I need to....but I'd like the chance meet others within my range. When I ride with others faster than myself, I "give them permission" to ride on if they wish and I expect the same courtesy if I ever meet someone slower than I am.
Cheers to Danny for volunteering to give us a starting point to meet.
Stephen, by the way, my first permanent was in Cleburne on a fat-tire 20-inch wheel folding bike. I had no idea what I was doing. No, I didn't finish the 200K but I met Jerry Austin who slowed down to keep me company until I told him to ride on. I also met some other friendly riders who encouraged me to keep trying. It was my lucky day.
Gloria Munson
> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:41:36 -0800
> From: jeri...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [LSR] Re: 1st Saturday Slower Ride Group
> To: stephen...@yahoo.com
> CC: Talk...@googlegroups.com
StephenH
Dec 10, 2009, 9:50:01 PM12/10/09
to Lone * Star * Randonneurs
I noticed on the posted 2010 schedule, there is a Permanent Populaire
and a brevet on the 1st, which is a Friday. Is there also a First
Saturday ride planned? Or does one or the other of these take the
place of the 1st Saturday Ride? Or has that not been decided yet?
(I'm already signed up for the Blue Ridge ride on Friday, but am free
on Saturday, is why I ask.)
and a brevet on the 1st, which is a Friday. Is there also a First
Saturday ride planned? Or does one or the other of these take the
place of the 1st Saturday Ride? Or has that not been decided yet?
(I'm already signed up for the Blue Ridge ride on Friday, but am free
on Saturday, is why I ask.)
rmillay
Dec 10, 2009, 10:05:29 PM12/10/09
to Lone * Star * Randonneurs
The populaire is the first Saturday ride. Friday the first was
declared an honorary Saturday by the President. That way people who
overdid New Year's Eve and don't wake up, will have a spare Saturday
to use. (A guy I used to work with used to complain our company
"gives us 12 holidays, but the first one is on the first day of the
year, so it feels like we only have eleven." Bob M.
declared an honorary Saturday by the President. That way people who
overdid New Year's Eve and don't wake up, will have a spare Saturday
to use. (A guy I used to work with used to complain our company
"gives us 12 holidays, but the first one is on the first day of the
year, so it feels like we only have eleven." Bob M.
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