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cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 9:17:06 AM8/21/08
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Who is the man and the woman I see sitting at various locations in
town? They have a sign that says vet and wife need help. He is tall
and thin, usually wearing nice clean jeans, a shirt and a camo vest,
along with a black p.o.w. hat. He carries a chair on his back. I was
going to get him a cup of coffee this morning but he started to walk
away.
Noticed he and this woman are at the holly hill, so I think they have
a place to stay.
Heard they were also in Cville.
Just wondering if anyone knows anything about them.
thanks
town? They have a sign that says vet and wife need help. He is tall
and thin, usually wearing nice clean jeans, a shirt and a camo vest,
along with a black p.o.w. hat. He carries a chair on his back. I was
going to get him a cup of coffee this morning but he started to walk
away.
Noticed he and this woman are at the holly hill, so I think they have
a place to stay.
Heard they were also in Cville.
Just wondering if anyone knows anything about them.
thanks
Foxtrot
Aug 21, 2008, 10:41:25 AM8/21/08
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Cat Lady - You have a big heart and I commend you for that. If they
need assistance contact the local VFW and the American Legion. I know
they are always looking for Vets in need of help and will find a way
to provide. However, usually these people are con artists and know how
to play the system. If they are legit, these organizations will find
out. Almost always Vet will have some kind of identification to
validate it (ie. V.A. card, military papers, etc...). Also, the local
police could be of help to investigate without accusing them of
anything.
When John Edwards made the big huge FALSE accusation there were
200,000 homeless Vets that created opportunities for beggers to milk
the system. It's amazing how that works. BTW, the actual number is
about 10,000.
need assistance contact the local VFW and the American Legion. I know
they are always looking for Vets in need of help and will find a way
to provide. However, usually these people are con artists and know how
to play the system. If they are legit, these organizations will find
out. Almost always Vet will have some kind of identification to
validate it (ie. V.A. card, military papers, etc...). Also, the local
police could be of help to investigate without accusing them of
anything.
When John Edwards made the big huge FALSE accusation there were
200,000 homeless Vets that created opportunities for beggers to milk
the system. It's amazing how that works. BTW, the actual number is
about 10,000.
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 21, 2008, 11:32:29 AM8/21/08
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Yeah Fox: Most likely this guy and his wife are just beggars. I am
not really sure why this career choice has not been made by more savvy
career minded professionals....
not really sure why this career choice has not been made by more savvy
career minded professionals....
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 11:38:06 AM8/21/08
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my concern for this man is he apparently cant walk for very long he
has to stop and rest and then he walks again, but I have seen him/them
at different locations in town and I hear they have also been in
Cville.
I dont think they are homeless Fox, I think they are living at the
holly hill.
should I call the vfw?
i dont know anything about these people and I dont trust enough to go
up to them and ask to see their papers!!! I may get knocked out or
something!!
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has to stop and rest and then he walks again, but I have seen him/them
at different locations in town and I hear they have also been in
Cville.
I dont think they are homeless Fox, I think they are living at the
holly hill.
should I call the vfw?
i dont know anything about these people and I dont trust enough to go
up to them and ask to see their papers!!! I may get knocked out or
something!!
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Foxtrot
Aug 21, 2008, 12:05:44 PM8/21/08
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Cat Lady - Just a suggestion. Why not call the local police and
express your concern they are begging and the gentleman apparently has
some physical disability. I'm sure your police are kind and
compassionate professional's who will do anything they can to assist
people in need. At least the one's I've spoken to appear to be that
way...They can make positive identifications and do the right thing.
No, no, no don't put yourself at risk. I wouldn't approach them if I
were you without some strong Lebanon specimen of a male at your side -
just in case. Hey, maybe Bill and Dennis are around to help. They can
give better advice than me. Hey, I have a feeling you can hold your
own with anybody. LOL....
RW - Your comments were NOT FUNNY.... This sweet lady wants to help
people in need and you have to be a smart alec..... Go figure!!!!!!!
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express your concern they are begging and the gentleman apparently has
some physical disability. I'm sure your police are kind and
compassionate professional's who will do anything they can to assist
people in need. At least the one's I've spoken to appear to be that
way...They can make positive identifications and do the right thing.
No, no, no don't put yourself at risk. I wouldn't approach them if I
were you without some strong Lebanon specimen of a male at your side -
just in case. Hey, maybe Bill and Dennis are around to help. They can
give better advice than me. Hey, I have a feeling you can hold your
own with anybody. LOL....
RW - Your comments were NOT FUNNY.... This sweet lady wants to help
people in need and you have to be a smart alec..... Go figure!!!!!!!
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 12:54:59 PM8/21/08
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oh I could hold with the man, but not the lady!!!! but I can fight
bullets or a bigger bat than mine!!!!
rw
I used to see a beggar/panhandler all the time in Louisville years
ago, come to find out this poor old homeless person was making like
$75,000 to $100,000 a year at his job!!!!!!
I gave that bastard money and I was only like 16!!!!
bullets or a bigger bat than mine!!!!
rw
I used to see a beggar/panhandler all the time in Louisville years
ago, come to find out this poor old homeless person was making like
$75,000 to $100,000 a year at his job!!!!!!
I gave that bastard money and I was only like 16!!!!
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 1:02:47 PM8/21/08
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welll I can go back to being the "duck" I am
called the police and guess what
yep you guessed
no problems here, just a couple of people out to get a handout.
Wanting people to feel sorry for them is
Mr Ford has spoken with them, if this was a veteran situation he would
take care of it.
the walking and stopping, doesnt seem to be a problem either, mostly
stopping to access his surroundings!
ohhh this makes me furious. I would still buy him a cup of coffee,
but that is about it.
rw, I meant to say I could not fight bullets or a bat bigger than
mine, by what I wrote it sounds like I think I am superwoman!!!!! yeah
right
called the police and guess what
yep you guessed
no problems here, just a couple of people out to get a handout.
Wanting people to feel sorry for them is
Mr Ford has spoken with them, if this was a veteran situation he would
take care of it.
the walking and stopping, doesnt seem to be a problem either, mostly
stopping to access his surroundings!
ohhh this makes me furious. I would still buy him a cup of coffee,
but that is about it.
rw, I meant to say I could not fight bullets or a bat bigger than
mine, by what I wrote it sounds like I think I am superwoman!!!!! yeah
right
EJ
Aug 21, 2008, 1:07:13 PM8/21/08
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I stopped last week and gave him a ride to Holly Hill. He was all bent
over the way I used to see my uncle and granddaddy and I thought he
needed help. He was walking from McDonalds with food and told me he
has emphysema and that he gets so short of breath that he can't walk
any further. I know that is what was wrong with my family and so I do
believe that story.
I gave him a ride to Holly Hill and that was that.He didn't offer
anything else and I didn't ask.
Days later I saw them down by the old Dairymart with the sign and it
broke my heart until I went back by and noticed he was smoking. I then
wasn't so quick to stop. #1 if you have emphysema you shouldn't be
smoking and #2 if you can afford cigarettes you don't really need my
help.
I do know the cops have stopped to give him rides to Holly HIll too
because I've heard them so they are aware of his presence.
I've never had to walk a mile in their shoes and it isn't my job to
judge one way or the other why someone has chosen or been chosen for
this type life but as others have said there are organizations that
also pass by and usually will help them out if they qualify. I do know
if your heart is in the right place when you offer assistance however
big or small that is what matters.
over the way I used to see my uncle and granddaddy and I thought he
needed help. He was walking from McDonalds with food and told me he
has emphysema and that he gets so short of breath that he can't walk
any further. I know that is what was wrong with my family and so I do
believe that story.
I gave him a ride to Holly Hill and that was that.He didn't offer
anything else and I didn't ask.
Days later I saw them down by the old Dairymart with the sign and it
broke my heart until I went back by and noticed he was smoking. I then
wasn't so quick to stop. #1 if you have emphysema you shouldn't be
smoking and #2 if you can afford cigarettes you don't really need my
help.
I do know the cops have stopped to give him rides to Holly HIll too
because I've heard them so they are aware of his presence.
I've never had to walk a mile in their shoes and it isn't my job to
judge one way or the other why someone has chosen or been chosen for
this type life but as others have said there are organizations that
also pass by and usually will help them out if they qualify. I do know
if your heart is in the right place when you offer assistance however
big or small that is what matters.
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 1:10:48 PM8/21/08
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I watched him for a good amount of time early this morning and I know
the police told me he isnt in any type of distress, it did appear he
was trying to breathe while accessing his surroundings!
Like I said, I will offer a cup of joe to the guy, but nothing else
after speaking with our police
the police told me he isnt in any type of distress, it did appear he
was trying to breathe while accessing his surroundings!
Like I said, I will offer a cup of joe to the guy, but nothing else
after speaking with our police
EJ
Aug 21, 2008, 1:13:18 PM8/21/08
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So the police don't think he is having any trouble breathing when he
stops? He's perfected it pretty good then if that is the case because
he sure did seem to be having a hard time when he got in my van and he
never tried to talk to me at all just took the ride.
stops? He's perfected it pretty good then if that is the case because
he sure did seem to be having a hard time when he got in my van and he
never tried to talk to me at all just took the ride.
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 1:17:26 PM8/21/08
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that is what they said, I asked them if he is having some a problem
breathing and they said he is ok.
I am with you EJ, I think he isnt faking that part
breathing and they said he is ok.
I am with you EJ, I think he isnt faking that part
Foxtrot
Aug 21, 2008, 2:56:18 PM8/21/08
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Looks like E.J., CCL, Mr. Ford, and the police have done their jobs.
All of you are good citizens who care and that is great to hear...It
didn't sound like he was a Veteran but. Street people know all the
ropes and they know if they let you think they are a Veteran that
people will stop and give.... OKAY let's consult with RW, the expert.
What say you good buddy?
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All of you are good citizens who care and that is great to hear...It
didn't sound like he was a Veteran but. Street people know all the
ropes and they know if they let you think they are a Veteran that
people will stop and give.... OKAY let's consult with RW, the expert.
What say you good buddy?
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 3:43:32 PM8/21/08
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it makes me mad Fox, that this man would stoop to using a sign with
the word "vet" to get sympathy and help when there are many veterans
in need. OOOOOOOhhh that pisses me off!
the word "vet" to get sympathy and help when there are many veterans
in need. OOOOOOOhhh that pisses me off!
lebanonfan
Aug 21, 2008, 5:01:34 PM8/21/08
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CCL, knowing you are an animal lover, when I first saw this thread you
started I thought we had a veterinarian in trouble!
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started I thought we had a veterinarian in trouble!
dewy
Aug 21, 2008, 5:15:53 PM8/21/08
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Oh EJ let me tell you a funny story. I to years ago would feel sorry
for people in need. One day I was on my way home pretty early in the
morning. I came across a elderly man walking not dressed so well. I
felt so sorry for him I could not just pass him up. I stopped and
asked him if he needed a ride somewhere. He nodded his head yes and I
said well get in. As we started to pull off I asked him where did he
need me to take him. HE put his hand on his throat and a whooo whooo
noise came out. I know my eyes bugged out and I was thinking what the
hell have I done. HE COULDN'T TALK how was I going to know where to
take him and how am I going to get him out of my car. So I was pretty
scared. then it hit me I said to him I will drive and you just point
which way to go. I picked him up about where the lebanon car world is
now and I had to take him plum past st joe I think on that road after
you past the church on the right.This was years ago some of you may
have known of him. He was a nice man but after that I DON'T PICK UP
PEOPLE UNLESS i KNOW THEM. My husband just about freaked when I told
him about this.
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for people in need. One day I was on my way home pretty early in the
morning. I came across a elderly man walking not dressed so well. I
felt so sorry for him I could not just pass him up. I stopped and
asked him if he needed a ride somewhere. He nodded his head yes and I
said well get in. As we started to pull off I asked him where did he
need me to take him. HE put his hand on his throat and a whooo whooo
noise came out. I know my eyes bugged out and I was thinking what the
hell have I done. HE COULDN'T TALK how was I going to know where to
take him and how am I going to get him out of my car. So I was pretty
scared. then it hit me I said to him I will drive and you just point
which way to go. I picked him up about where the lebanon car world is
now and I had to take him plum past st joe I think on that road after
you past the church on the right.This was years ago some of you may
have known of him. He was a nice man but after that I DON'T PICK UP
PEOPLE UNLESS i KNOW THEM. My husband just about freaked when I told
him about this.
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 21, 2008, 7:01:48 PM8/21/08
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So let me get this right....If he was a Veteran, then he is deserving
of your compassion and charity, but if he is just begging, then most
likely he's a fraud? Imagine that! The genius of it!...Let's go deep
undercover, live in a slum hotel, be seen out on the street in 90
degree weather in Lebanon, Kentucky. All the while making a handsome
5 figure salary! Hell! Why didn't I think of that???
of your compassion and charity, but if he is just begging, then most
likely he's a fraud? Imagine that! The genius of it!...Let's go deep
undercover, live in a slum hotel, be seen out on the street in 90
degree weather in Lebanon, Kentucky. All the while making a handsome
5 figure salary! Hell! Why didn't I think of that???
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 9:13:20 PM8/21/08
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RW, YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE TO EVEN HINT THIS MAN WAS A CON ARTIST
you said this:
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
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check yourself first before you start on me! I hate to be taken in
by people like this, I want to help and I just get used. Sorry, I dont
like being used. There are so many people out there truly in need,
but scam artists make it hard for them to get sympathy and help from
me and others. You are familiar with the old saying... one bad apple
spoils the whole bunch? I started picking up old drunks off of second
street when I was 16, I have bought many wino's liquor and cigarettes
thinking they were in need of money or food. I have seen them throw
sandwiches away that people have given them.
dude, if I see him bent over struggling to breathe, hell yeah I will
give him help. Would you?
giving him money to buy cigs so he can continue not breathing well
doesnt seem to be of much help, huh?
I did check with the police and they told me basically he is a
scammer; I wanted them to tell me he was legit.
I will buy him a cup of coffee, but I wont contribute to his scam
On Aug 21, 4:01 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:
you said this:
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
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Yeah Fox: Most likely this guy and his wife are just beggars. I am
not really sure why this career choice has not been made by more
savvy
career minded professionals....
(maybe YOU are thinking of a career change RW?)
not really sure why this career choice has not been made by more
savvy
career minded professionals....
check yourself first before you start on me! I hate to be taken in
by people like this, I want to help and I just get used. Sorry, I dont
like being used. There are so many people out there truly in need,
but scam artists make it hard for them to get sympathy and help from
me and others. You are familiar with the old saying... one bad apple
spoils the whole bunch? I started picking up old drunks off of second
street when I was 16, I have bought many wino's liquor and cigarettes
thinking they were in need of money or food. I have seen them throw
sandwiches away that people have given them.
dude, if I see him bent over struggling to breathe, hell yeah I will
give him help. Would you?
giving him money to buy cigs so he can continue not breathing well
doesnt seem to be of much help, huh?
I did check with the police and they told me basically he is a
scammer; I wanted them to tell me he was legit.
I will buy him a cup of coffee, but I wont contribute to his scam
On Aug 21, 4:01 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 9:13:57 PM8/21/08
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LF that sounds like me for sure!!!
lebanonfan
Aug 21, 2008, 9:25:53 PM8/21/08
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Yes! : )
But on your other reply, if you hit "sort by reply" you'll see that RW
was responding to Fox with his comment. Fox was actually the first to
hint the guy might not be legit. I took RW's comment to be a tongue-in-
cheek disagreement of what Fox said...do you see that?
But on your other reply, if you hit "sort by reply" you'll see that RW
was responding to Fox with his comment. Fox was actually the first to
hint the guy might not be legit. I took RW's comment to be a tongue-in-
cheek disagreement of what Fox said...do you see that?
cheshirecatldy
Aug 21, 2008, 9:52:46 PM8/21/08
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oh ok
sorry
thought he was responding to me and getting on me
my bad
I apologize RW for being a "duck"
sorry
thought he was responding to me and getting on me
my bad
I apologize RW for being a "duck"
cheshirecatldy
Aug 22, 2008, 8:47:48 AM8/22/08
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update:
Today he is at the entrance of McDonalds ( walnut street side) sitting
in his blue chair
his sign today reads
disabled viet vet
Today he is at the entrance of McDonalds ( walnut street side) sitting
in his blue chair
his sign today reads
disabled viet vet
cheshirecatldy
Aug 22, 2008, 9:13:27 AM8/22/08
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ok I am done with this
go to this link and scroll down to " brenda and richard". watch the
whole thing.
I doubt if he gets another cup of coffee from me.
http://photo.medina-gazette.com/projects/inde...
go to this link and scroll down to " brenda and richard". watch the
whole thing.
I doubt if he gets another cup of coffee from me.
http://photo.medina-gazette.com/projects/inde...
lebanonfan
Aug 22, 2008, 10:09:34 AM8/22/08
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Are you sure that's the right link? I clicked but nothing came up.
On Aug 22, 9:13 am, cheshirecatldy <crzycatldy8...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ok I am done with this
> go to this link and scroll down to " brenda and richard". watch the
> whole thing.
> I doubt if he gets another cup of coffee from me.http://photo.medina-gazette.com/projects/inde...
On Aug 22, 9:13 am, cheshirecatldy <crzycatldy8...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ok I am done with this
> go to this link and scroll down to " brenda and richard". watch the
> whole thing.
lebanonfan
Aug 22, 2008, 10:22:02 AM8/22/08
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 22, 2008, 11:47:33 AM8/22/08
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that is it!
On Aug 22, 10:22 am, lebanonfan <lebanon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://photo.medina-gazette.com/projects/stories/november2006/brendaa...
On Aug 22, 10:22 am, lebanonfan <lebanon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://photo.medina-gazette.com/projects/stories/november2006/brendaa...
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 22, 2008, 5:11:08 PM8/22/08
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So are these the same people?
> ok I am done with this
> go to this link and scroll down to " brenda and richard". watch the
> whole thing.
> I doubt if he gets another cup of coffee from me.http://photo.medina-gazette.com/projects/inde...
> go to this link and scroll down to " brenda and richard". watch the
> whole thing.
Taylorcofan
Aug 22, 2008, 5:49:05 PM8/22/08
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I think so, they look like them...They have been in Campbellville but
I think people caught on pretty fast over here and it was not
profitable to stick around.
On Aug 22, 5:11 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:
I think people caught on pretty fast over here and it was not
profitable to stick around.
On Aug 22, 5:11 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 22, 2008, 7:56:39 PM8/22/08
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So I guess people will just keep rejecting these two until the rage
builds and he or they do something criminal and they become
incarcerated? This is the brave new world in which the Evangelical
Christians thrive...sad...And all this time I thought Christianity was
about reaching out to people...
builds and he or they do something criminal and they become
incarcerated? This is the brave new world in which the Evangelical
Christians thrive...sad...And all this time I thought Christianity was
about reaching out to people...
cheshirecatldy
Aug 22, 2008, 9:42:53 PM8/22/08
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rw I think people have reached out to them, I dont know if this is the
same woman, but yes it is the same man.
apparently, he has done alot of criminal stuff and has been
incarcerated.
what do you think we should do, RW? are you willing to reach out?
On Aug 22, 4:56 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
same woman, but yes it is the same man.
apparently, he has done alot of criminal stuff and has been
incarcerated.
what do you think we should do, RW? are you willing to reach out?
On Aug 22, 4:56 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
lebanonfan
Aug 22, 2008, 11:02:35 PM8/22/08
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Are you serious? The guy in Lebanon really is the guy on the website?
I haven't seen the Lebanon guy yet. Now I am curious. I would not be
afraid to talk to him.
I haven't seen the Lebanon guy yet. Now I am curious. I would not be
afraid to talk to him.
Katherine
Aug 23, 2008, 1:18:06 AM8/23/08
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Find out Lebfan:) I am curious as well.
I haven't seen them yet either.
CCL- How did you find the slideshow with him in it? google his name?
I haven't seen them yet either.
CCL- How did you find the slideshow with him in it? google his name?
cheshirecatldy
Aug 23, 2008, 8:44:00 AM8/23/08
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when you go to the link scroll down and look for brenda and richard
you have to watch the whole thing because the most interesting "stuff"
is at the end.
LF, interview him
you have to watch the whole thing because the most interesting "stuff"
is at the end.
LF, interview him
cheshirecatldy
Aug 23, 2008, 8:44:21 AM8/23/08
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 23, 2008, 8:45:04 AM8/23/08
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LF it is him, in the pictures his hair is a little less gray but yea
it is him
I am just not sure if the woman is the same woman
it is him
I am just not sure if the woman is the same woman
cheshirecatldy
Aug 23, 2008, 8:46:31 AM8/23/08
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rw, I will meet you at McDonalds when this guy is there, you give him
some money and I will match what ever you give, deal?
some money and I will match what ever you give, deal?
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 23, 2008, 11:48:10 AM8/23/08
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I would be willing to give the guy what he needs but to what end? My
point in the last post is to point out that people tend to blame the
poor for being poor while completely ignoring the myriad social and
psychological issues related to being homeless. It has been my
experience that it is easier on the collective psyche when people
react in this manner. The failure of faith based solutions as it
relates to these people demonstrates to me the incipient human
tendency to inject man made justifications for disparaging the poor
instead of seeking to find the root causes behind the problem. Jesus
Christ and Karl Marx both agreed that the poor would always be with
us. But to my knowledge, nobody has given a satisfactory explanation
as to why. I think that Obama's reference to Matthew in his discussion
at Saddle back tends to address this issue to a certain extent. I do
know one thing: The solution lies in recognizing that being poor is
not due to moral or ethical failures exclusively. Often these failures
are symptoms that develop as a result. As I have explained to people
many times on the subject of the Cornbread Mafia - And we all know
that the economy of Marion County was carried by this phenomenon in
the 1980's to some significant extent - People are not just going to
sit around and starve to death because of the failed economic and
social policies of the Government. When the rules don't serve us,
Humans usually innovate by making up their own plans regardless of the
rules. I happen to believe that people like the ones mentioned in
this post tend to serve a valuable role in society as Canaries in the
Coal Mine. The first lesson is not to ignore them or blame them, but
instead to try and discover why they are ailing in the first place.
point in the last post is to point out that people tend to blame the
poor for being poor while completely ignoring the myriad social and
psychological issues related to being homeless. It has been my
experience that it is easier on the collective psyche when people
react in this manner. The failure of faith based solutions as it
relates to these people demonstrates to me the incipient human
tendency to inject man made justifications for disparaging the poor
instead of seeking to find the root causes behind the problem. Jesus
Christ and Karl Marx both agreed that the poor would always be with
us. But to my knowledge, nobody has given a satisfactory explanation
as to why. I think that Obama's reference to Matthew in his discussion
at Saddle back tends to address this issue to a certain extent. I do
know one thing: The solution lies in recognizing that being poor is
not due to moral or ethical failures exclusively. Often these failures
are symptoms that develop as a result. As I have explained to people
many times on the subject of the Cornbread Mafia - And we all know
that the economy of Marion County was carried by this phenomenon in
the 1980's to some significant extent - People are not just going to
sit around and starve to death because of the failed economic and
social policies of the Government. When the rules don't serve us,
Humans usually innovate by making up their own plans regardless of the
rules. I happen to believe that people like the ones mentioned in
this post tend to serve a valuable role in society as Canaries in the
Coal Mine. The first lesson is not to ignore them or blame them, but
instead to try and discover why they are ailing in the first place.
EJ
Aug 23, 2008, 12:08:02 PM8/23/08
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After looking at the photos if it isn't him it looks like him. He had
that cane and everything the day I gave him a ride.
Monica
Aug 23, 2008, 1:01:40 PM8/23/08
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Looks like a great opportunity for some investigative reporting from
the
Enterprise.
the
Enterprise.
cheshirecatldy
Aug 24, 2008, 8:58:10 AM8/24/08
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rw I am not ignoring him/them, but I wont help a felon who has made a
career out of scamming other people.
you are right on what you are saying, although you may be going out on
a tangent alittle, but I dont think this couple/man are true
homeless, or destitute person(s) suffering from some psychological
problem: He may have a psychological problem, but it is keeping him a
career criminal and not a poor person. I think he is making a
conscious choice and is probably refusing the help he really needs,
that has been my experience with people like this.
as I said, meet me at McDonalds and you and I will help him, but I
dont think it is going to make a difference to this guy.
Maybe you could get him a job where you work? I think that is a
wonderful idea. RW, will you get him a job where you work? his name
is Richard, how should he get in touch with you?
You could put them up for awhile: Get them out of the Holly Hill.
make them feel right at home: Be part of your family. You can then
discover what is wrong with him and get him the help he needs. Your
kids would have a built in grandpa, oh how great. You RW are a much
better person than I, you can get him a job, get him the help he
needs, financially support him and this woman until they get their
lives together and make them a part of your family. He could argue
with you about the state of the country, he would be able to have
great conversation with you. We would have to give you great accolades
RW. When are you going to meet with Richard? I want to be there and
see the wonderful expression of gratitude on Richard's face when you
offer your home, a job, and financial support to him. My goodness,
they may even make you a citizen of the year RW. A great
humanitarian.
After reading and watching that video, I think he is doing what he
wants. Also, I wont be part of bringing the Aryan brotherhood into
helping him, as he stated in the video!
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career out of scamming other people.
you are right on what you are saying, although you may be going out on
a tangent alittle, but I dont think this couple/man are true
homeless, or destitute person(s) suffering from some psychological
problem: He may have a psychological problem, but it is keeping him a
career criminal and not a poor person. I think he is making a
conscious choice and is probably refusing the help he really needs,
that has been my experience with people like this.
as I said, meet me at McDonalds and you and I will help him, but I
dont think it is going to make a difference to this guy.
Maybe you could get him a job where you work? I think that is a
wonderful idea. RW, will you get him a job where you work? his name
is Richard, how should he get in touch with you?
You could put them up for awhile: Get them out of the Holly Hill.
make them feel right at home: Be part of your family. You can then
discover what is wrong with him and get him the help he needs. Your
kids would have a built in grandpa, oh how great. You RW are a much
better person than I, you can get him a job, get him the help he
needs, financially support him and this woman until they get their
lives together and make them a part of your family. He could argue
with you about the state of the country, he would be able to have
great conversation with you. We would have to give you great accolades
RW. When are you going to meet with Richard? I want to be there and
see the wonderful expression of gratitude on Richard's face when you
offer your home, a job, and financial support to him. My goodness,
they may even make you a citizen of the year RW. A great
humanitarian.
After reading and watching that video, I think he is doing what he
wants. Also, I wont be part of bringing the Aryan brotherhood into
helping him, as he stated in the video!
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 24, 2008, 8:58:29 AM8/24/08
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I agree with that Monica
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EJ
Aug 24, 2008, 11:44:11 AM8/24/08
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If The Lebanon Enterprise started doing "investigative" pieces on
every scam artist in this town they'd be busy. They haven't been
arrested for any crime here.
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 24, 2008, 4:04:17 PM8/24/08
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The fact that you make light of the situation reveals the depth of
your concern. Not to mention your empathy.
As you said some time back: Okay, I'm done here.
your concern. Not to mention your empathy.
As you said some time back: Okay, I'm done here.
cheshirecatldy
Aug 24, 2008, 7:09:28 PM8/24/08
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my dear RW I am not making light of the situation, honey there aint no
situation to make light of. He is a career criminal who is trying to
scam people, what situation is there?
I think you should offer the man a job; I am stone cold serious RW. No
levity intended.
I dont like it when people like YOU want to preach the virtues of
helping and trying to find the cause of the effect, yet you are in no
hurry to save the man yourself. Hypocritical of ya there boss!
again, check yourself before you come after me.
I have found out this man is a career criminal, what sympathy and/or
empathy should I show him? Yes, when I thought he was a person really
in need of my help, I wanted to get him help, but I find out through
an anonymous email, telephone calls to the police, the vfw and the
disabled veterans, the man isnt as helpless as he wants us to
believe. you are right, my concern dissipated after I found out a bit
more about him. Although, I would still check on him if I see him
struggling to breathe, that is my nature.
I think you maybe in a position to offer this man a job to better his
life: You wont do it, admit it. You are no better than I am.
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situation to make light of. He is a career criminal who is trying to
scam people, what situation is there?
I think you should offer the man a job; I am stone cold serious RW. No
levity intended.
I dont like it when people like YOU want to preach the virtues of
helping and trying to find the cause of the effect, yet you are in no
hurry to save the man yourself. Hypocritical of ya there boss!
again, check yourself before you come after me.
I have found out this man is a career criminal, what sympathy and/or
empathy should I show him? Yes, when I thought he was a person really
in need of my help, I wanted to get him help, but I find out through
an anonymous email, telephone calls to the police, the vfw and the
disabled veterans, the man isnt as helpless as he wants us to
believe. you are right, my concern dissipated after I found out a bit
more about him. Although, I would still check on him if I see him
struggling to breathe, that is my nature.
I think you maybe in a position to offer this man a job to better his
life: You wont do it, admit it. You are no better than I am.
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Aug 24, 2008, 7:58:49 PM8/24/08
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You would have prospered in Salem Mass a few hundred years ago..
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Foxtrot
Aug 24, 2008, 8:55:23 PM8/24/08
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CCL - Like E.J., Mr. Ford whom I believe is the local VFW Commander,
you acted as a good samaratin by approaching a man and woman whom you
thought was in desperate need. You even put yourself at risk by
offering a cup of coffee and out of concern you contacted local
authorities. You pursued all avenues to help and all of you are to be
commended for having such big hearts. I'm sure if it were possible the
Lebanon Police would run these people out of town.
Based on your earlier postings I suspected the man to be in imposter
by wearing a POW hat while holding up a sign that said Veteran in
need. Based on my experiences Vets who are in need don't conduct
themselves in this manner. Simply, they are too proud to ask for
"hand outs." It disturbs me that he would so dishonestly disguise
himself as a POW. with intent to prey on local citizens to support the
habits of an obvious con artist with a background check to support
that. That behavior is about as low as a person can go.
RW, is playing the old typical political anti war, anti military / Vet
game of making the con man the victim, and you as a person with a
heart of gold as the bad guy. He ought to be ashamed of himself. If
I'm wrong let me be the first to apologize, but I don't think so.
Earlier when I brought John Edwards up, the man who grossly
exaggerated that are 200,000 homeless Vets simply for lowly political
gain, when in fact there are approximately 10,000. Con artist are
seizing on this an an opportunity and I saw 2 of them today in
Louisville. But, you ought to watch them run when they see a police
car.
RW, you would make John Edwards proud, but I believe you to be a
better person than that. Don't be a follower or place yourself on the
disguising level of an individual obsessed to post war statistics
(along with pictures of coffins) to promote political hatred of an
elected leader and his party. Lebanon is blessed to have so many
decent, caring, honorable and giving $$$ citizens. I just wish they
would stand up more like Cat Lady to express themselves, especially on
this board. If this makes me the bad guy then so be it ---> BLAST
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you acted as a good samaratin by approaching a man and woman whom you
thought was in desperate need. You even put yourself at risk by
offering a cup of coffee and out of concern you contacted local
authorities. You pursued all avenues to help and all of you are to be
commended for having such big hearts. I'm sure if it were possible the
Lebanon Police would run these people out of town.
Based on your earlier postings I suspected the man to be in imposter
by wearing a POW hat while holding up a sign that said Veteran in
need. Based on my experiences Vets who are in need don't conduct
themselves in this manner. Simply, they are too proud to ask for
"hand outs." It disturbs me that he would so dishonestly disguise
himself as a POW. with intent to prey on local citizens to support the
habits of an obvious con artist with a background check to support
that. That behavior is about as low as a person can go.
RW, is playing the old typical political anti war, anti military / Vet
game of making the con man the victim, and you as a person with a
heart of gold as the bad guy. He ought to be ashamed of himself. If
I'm wrong let me be the first to apologize, but I don't think so.
Earlier when I brought John Edwards up, the man who grossly
exaggerated that are 200,000 homeless Vets simply for lowly political
gain, when in fact there are approximately 10,000. Con artist are
seizing on this an an opportunity and I saw 2 of them today in
Louisville. But, you ought to watch them run when they see a police
car.
RW, you would make John Edwards proud, but I believe you to be a
better person than that. Don't be a follower or place yourself on the
disguising level of an individual obsessed to post war statistics
(along with pictures of coffins) to promote political hatred of an
elected leader and his party. Lebanon is blessed to have so many
decent, caring, honorable and giving $$$ citizens. I just wish they
would stand up more like Cat Lady to express themselves, especially on
this board. If this makes me the bad guy then so be it ---> BLAST
AWAY....
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sadness
Aug 24, 2008, 9:12:08 PM8/24/08
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You have my full support FOX.
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sittu
Aug 24, 2008, 9:52:30 PM8/24/08
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Another person stopped and spoke with them explaing that her husband
works with vet's and will do whatever he can to help. She left him a
card to call him BUT he was NOT interested for any help..... Wish we
had a way to get him to move on to another city.
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works with vet's and will do whatever he can to help. She left him a
card to call him BUT he was NOT interested for any help..... Wish we
had a way to get him to move on to another city.
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 25, 2008, 1:52:32 AM8/25/08
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no I wo uld have been burned at the stake and you would have been one
with the jug and the torch
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 25, 2008, 1:54:48 AM8/25/08
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I still think RW should offer this man a job
SITTU
I havent seen him/them for a couple of days, maybe they dont work
weekends
SITTU
I havent seen him/them for a couple of days, maybe they dont work
weekends
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 25, 2008, 8:37:59 AM8/25/08
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Yeah...Just think of this guy's impact on home prices...talk about
neighborhood blight.....Somebody get a torch!
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 25, 2008, 8:52:13 AM8/25/08
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I am going to give him your email RW maybe he can go to the library
and you can offer him a job
On Aug 25, 8:37 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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and you can offer him a job
On Aug 25, 8:37 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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Taylorcofan
Aug 25, 2008, 8:55:11 AM8/25/08
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Bubble gum on your shoe rw?
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 25, 2008, 8:57:38 AM8/25/08
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rw is ok, he just cant admit he is as much of a hypocrite as me and
the rest of us!!!
kiss kiss rw
the rest of us!!!
kiss kiss rw
rwhi...@elkcreek.net
Aug 25, 2008, 9:09:00 AM8/25/08
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My arse feels better now...thanks! ;)
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cheshirecatldy
Aug 25, 2008, 9:11:35 AM8/25/08
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you are welcome!
grin and bear it sir, grin and bear it!!!!!!! ;)
On Aug 25, 9:09 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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grin and bear it sir, grin and bear it!!!!!!! ;)
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sadness
Aug 25, 2008, 6:56:49 PM8/25/08
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I say run the vagrant sleazeball out of town.
I''m going to give the vagrant the middle finger ,if he asks me for
a hand out.
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I''m going to give the vagrant the middle finger ,if he asks me for
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lebanonfan
Sep 14, 2008, 12:19:31 AM9/14/08
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Are they in town now? I still haven't seen them.
cheshirecatldy
Sep 14, 2008, 8:45:02 AM9/14/08
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I havent seen them for a few weeks
TCF, are they still in your neck of the woods
TCF, are they still in your neck of the woods
Bill
Sep 14, 2008, 11:30:27 AM9/14/08
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I saw a grocery cart with the cardboard sign in it by Wendy's in
Springfield but none of their belongings or them.
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Springfield but none of their belongings or them.
cheshirecatldy
Sep 14, 2008, 1:19:46 PM9/14/08
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ohhhh they are moving round
keep moving folks, keep moving
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keep moving folks, keep moving
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