Teddy Kennedy - His Real Legacy

[Foxtrot]

Let's not allow the spin doctors make this jerk a hero...lest we
forget.

As soon as cancer was found, I noticed the immediate attempt
at canonization of old Teddy by the main stream media .. telling us
what a "great American" he is.

I say, let's get a couple things clear & not twist the facts
to change the real history .. he was caught cheating at
Harvard ..while attending, he was expelled twice, once for cheating on
a test, and once for paying a classmate to cheat for him... While
expelled,
Kennedy enlisted in the Army, but mistakenly signed up for
four years instead of two.. great .. the man can't count to four ..
His father, Joseph P. Kennedy, former U.S. Ambassador to England,
pulled the necessary strings to have hi s enlistment shortened to two
years,and to ensure that he served in Europe, not Korea, where a war
was raging... no preferential treatment for him like he charged
President Bush received ... Kennedy was assigned to Paris, never
advanced beyond the rank of Private, and returned to Harvard upon
being discharged... imagine a person of his "education" NEVER
advancing past the rank of Private ...

While attending law school at the University of Virginia ,
he was cited for reckless driving four times, including once when he
was clocked driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood
with his headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver's license
was never revoked. He passed the bar exam in 1959...amazing !! In
1964, he was seriously injured in a plane crash, and hospitalized for
several months. Test results done by the hospital at the time he was
admitted had shown he was DUI .. the results of those test remained a
"state secret" un t il in the 1980's when the report was unsealed ...

On 19 July 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick
Island in Massachusetts . At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his
chauffeur's keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a
ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a campaign worker. Leaving the island
via an unlit bridge with no guard rail, Kennedy steered the car off
the bridge, flipped, and into Poucha Pond. He swam to shore and walked
back to the party -- passing several houses and a fire station -- and
two friends returned with him to the scene of the accident. According
to their later testimony, they told him what he already knew, that he
was required by law to immediately report the accident to the
authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his
lawyer, and went to sleep.

Kennedy called the police the next morning. By then the
wreck had already been discovered. Before d ying, Kopechne had
scratched at the upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down
car. The Kennedy family began "calling in favours", ensuring that any
inquiry would be contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her
family, before an autopsy could be conducted. Further details are
uncertain, but after the accident Kennedy says he repeatedly dove
under the water trying to rescue Kopechne, and he didn't call police
because he was in a state of shock. It is widely assumed Kennedy was
drunk, and he held off calling police in hopes that his family could
fix the problem overnight.

Since the accident, Kennedy's "political enemies" have
referred to him as the distinguished Senator from Chappaquiddick... He
pled guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, and was given a
SUSPENDED SENTENCE OF TWO MONTHS. Kopechne's family received a small
payout from the Kennedy's insurance policy, and never sued. There was
later an effort to have he r b ody exhumed and autopsied, but her
family successfully fought against this in court, and Kennedy's family
paid their attorney's bills... a "token of friendship" ?

Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years,
but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He
authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil
rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health care
easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income
seniors and is widely held as the "standard-bearer for liberalism". In
his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager for the bill that
turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate
for immigrants from third world countries. Since that time, he has
been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of and
increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to
grant amnesty to illegal aliens.

Let's not allow the spin doctors make this jerk a hero --
how quickly the American public forgets what the real legacy is...

[dennis]

Kennedy has held his Senate seat for more than forty years,
but considering his longevity, his accomplishments seem scant. He
authored or argued for legislation that ensured a variety of civil
rights, increased the minimum wage in 1981, made access to health
care
easier for the indigent, and funded Meals on Wheels for fixed-income
seniors

Sounds like a good senator to me.

[cheshirecatldy]

well as we were discussing on another thread, 40 years is time to
retire
give him a gold watch
spin the wheel, let someone else have a turn

On Aug 31, 2:14 am, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Do you make these posts just to emphasize the stupidity of your party
or is it just a personal thing?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/25/mccain-reverses-course-on-im...

What a hoot: In his very first Senate roll, he was the floor manager

for the bill that

> turned U.S. immigration policy upside down and opened the floodgate
> for immigrants from third world countries. Since that time, he has
> been the prime instigator and author of every expansion of and
> increase in immigration, up to and including the latest attempt to
> grant amnesty to illegal aliens.

So which is it Fox: You gonna vote for Obama, or revert to your neocon
hypocritical tactics and vote for McCain...Or maybe you won't vote at
all...which is probably best since your thought process on this issue
demostrates the fear that the fore fathers had in restricting the vote
to "strong minded individuals of good moral character"

On Aug 31, 2:14 am, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Taylorcofan]

Sen. Edward Kennedy, is no doubt the liberal lion of the Democratic
partyl He delivered an endorsement that electrified the convention and
held out the promise of a Democratic unity rooted in heritage and a
mission of what many older Democrats still see as the party of the
three young brothers John, Bobby and Teddy.

Battling brain cancer and in a fight for his life, Kennedy still
showed up at the DNC and by making the speech he did and all of us
knowing the struggle it took to make the trip and the speech....NO ONE
can doubt his love of our country and our party. He can't be robbed
of this by any of the rabid right who "try"..... and denigrate him in
any, old tired way they can.

I am so happy that he was able to hear once more the chants by those
who love him in our party "Teddy! Teddy! Teddy!"

Just about all of us in the Democratic Party love the Kennedys who
have served us in one way or another and there's no question that the
Grand Old Lion has brought us together as a unified party.

[Foxtrot]

Hey Pal, Kennedy is a staunch bleeding heart liberal who in 40 years
has few but closer to zero accomplishments. It's true, him being a
part of the civil rights movement was a great thing but he was just a
player like millions of us. On the minus side of the ledger he's never
seen a give away welfare program that he didn't like. I don't think
JFK, his brother would be very proud of his record....

Given the choice between Obama vs McCain I'll vote for the war hero
who I at least will protect this country and is a fiscal conservative
who won't raise taxes which would throw this country into a deep
recession. Obama, the rock star offers nothing but rah, rah speeches
and broken promises. If FLASH is your thing then have at it . Be
careful what you ask and vote for in this upcoming election. Hey, if
all terrorists could vote then Obama is their man and they've even
made that statement. They want no part of McCain if they know what is
good for them. You know, I think they would even want less of Sarah
Palin. Does a woman of integrity and a backbone to match scare you at
the thought of her being in the White House?

You Libs like to complain but you don't know what bad times are really
like. Obviously you never had to experience the Jimmy Carter years
when interests rates and inflation exceeded 22%. Just imagine having a
22% mortgage rate and see how that would affect your standard of
living.

You like to post your gloom and doom but I keep waiting for you to at
least be optimistic about something. If you have it so tough I see at
least you can afford the Internet and you have a computer. Life must
not have treated you too badly. I sure am not complaining. Oh sure
everything is George Bush's fault. He forced people to buy homes they
couldn't afford, made them run up credit card debt, made them drop out
of school and twisted their arms to resort to crime, etc.... Oh yeah,
he caused 9-11 and of course hurricane's were all his doing and he
made Bill Clinton hand off a recession onto his plate. You liberal's
never cease to amaze me.

On Aug 31, 11:51�am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

> Do you make these posts just to emphasize the stupidity of your party

> or is it just a personal thing?http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/25/mccain-reverses-course-on-im...

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[Taylorcofan]

I think it's just to emphasize the obvious...which means it's both
whitlock........ personal and party.

But just for the record, John McCain has meandered over the years from
position to position on many topics, trying to reinvent himself while
he has tried to court the conservatives.......... who have long
distrusted........ and disliked him.

McCain’s “inconsistencies” have been a fairly serious problem...for
him and his flip flops you can bet will be brought up in
debates....Because...
While reinventing his "new wheel" he has many times voted against his
own legislation. Now that's going to be a hard hump to get over.

BTW your link wouldn't open for me.

On Aug 31, 11:51 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[dennis]

Fox
What did your hero Strom Thurmond have to show for his many years in
Congress?
Oh, that's right, Isn't he the guy who fathered a black child when he
was a child and hid the fact for 70+ years?

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[Foxtrot]

Meandered over the years????... WOW...Sure, he did...After all, he had
what - 5 1/2 year accomadations being strung up in a Hanoi Hilton
prison cell while being brutally interrograted, beaten and starved.
Humm, tell us, were you as concerned about touture there as you are
about given 5 star Gitmo royal treatment? Gee, are you saying he
traded Ho Chi Mein sandals for flip flops? Be more explicit so we
don't misunderstand.......BTW, I still have my sandals just as a
reminder that thousands of us defended even hate liberals like
yourself. Shall I send you a picture as proof? Not on your life, try
Google.

On Aug 31, 1:51 pm, Taylorcofan <Taylorcodayandn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Taylorcofan]

Yawnnnnnnnnnnn we are soooooo tired of some people's fairy tales...

A Jack of all trades, a confessed master of none..........and a critic
of all....and NOW.....A....POW............WOW we just hatched out of
an egg. Or was that the turnip truck that we just fell off from.

That's MINH.......he must of been thinking of noodles.....Or was that
Chi for Chi-Chi's?.

[Taylorcofan]

Dennis I think you're right but he wasn't a child he was 22 yrs old
and the little girl he raped was only 16.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3321483.stm

Daughter's photo
http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2004/08/09/ba_williams.jpg
.

[Foxtrot]

Awwww. Now we are getting somewhere. Turnip truck, glad you mentioned
something that you identify with as part of your culture. Never saw
one much less the misfortune of falling off one. Have you upgraded
from a Datsun to Nissan? Where do you have it insured? Is it a manual
or automatic transmission????

So you acknowledge you were hatched out of an egg. Imagine that, I
learned that Mama Catfish like noodles. Sure beats a diet of worms,
crickets, or bottom feeding doesn't it?

I'm impressed you know McCain was a POW. Guess when he was captured
you were about to finish high school or had already graduated. Whose
POW bracelet did you wear? What was your reaction when Teddy drove off
the bridge killing Mary Jo then attempting to cover it up? Just goes
to show you that covering his butt was more important than the value
of someone's daughter's life. Some of that Papa Joe Kennedy bootleg
and prostitution money will buy anything won't it? How about listing
good ole Teddy's Senate accomplishments that he could soley take
credit for. Can't identify them can you?

[dennis]

Fox
You're quick to criticize Teddy Kennedy.
Are you going to defend Strom?

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[Foxtrot]

Dennis - Don't believe I've mentioned Strom's name, much less him ever
being my hero. What is your point? I stand corrected, but you've lead
me to believe that your being critical of him for having sex with a
black lady. Are you critical or prejudiced towards the Mother, the
child, and / or Strom? Please clarify to set the record straight
because I don't believe you have a bigot bone in your body. It's just
how you confused / phrased your 1:59 posting.

Since you introduced this subject would you care to comment about
Senator Robert Byrd and his long history of being a bigot? Did Senator
Strom Thurmond father an out of wedlock child and was he really a
bigot? Did he rape the lady? If the latter, perhaps you should address
Bill Clinton and the Kennedy family since in the past they've been
accused of it. Didn't Teddy come to the rescue of his nephew that was
accused of rape down in FL?

For the record, I'm neither a bigot or a rapist or been in trouble
with the law in my entire life. I believe the same can be said about
you. Again, just set the record straight for the benefit of other
readers. If you are attacked I'll defend you. BTW, only time I ever
had to appear in court was to pay a $45 speeding ticket many years
ago. Does that qualify me as having a criminal record?

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[Taylorcofan]

Dennis I believe the point is.........in any court of law a 22 yr old
male, Strom Thurmond, who had sex with a 16 yr old child would be
considered statutory rape. Yet the very real possibility that little
Miss Butler was a victim of an illegal sexual assault .....was a mute
point.....She lived a climate characterized by fear and abject racial
intimidation. So, the question of whether little Carrie Butler, an
impoverished maid in the Thurmond family household, freely consented
is virtually meaningless.

The more telling question is whether there was any way she could
freely say no. Even as a teenager, little Carrie had to understand
that her chances of protecting her sexual autonomy against the desires
of the determined son of Edgefield's most prominent family were
virtually nonexistent.

The protection law promised was empty; after all, statutory rape laws
were not written to protect little black girls like Butler.

[dennis]

My point, Fox, is that you're so quick to chastise and criticize
Democrats or liberals for what they've done, yet I wanted to point out
to you that Republicans also make mistakes in judgment.
Yes, Ted Kennedy was wrong in his actions in the Mary Jo Kopechne
affair.
However, so was Strom Thurmond in his sexual escapades. He carried on
afterwards against integration, spoke ill of blacks, while at the same
time having fathered one.
Guess the black girl was good enough for him to ___________ (you can
fill in the word) but not good enough to acknowledge to her or her
race what he had done.
I was always taught that those in glass house should never thrown
stones.

[Foxtrot]

Dennis - Had you said, "Fox, is that you're so quick to chastise and
criticize RADICAL / EXTREMIST Democrats or liberals....etc"..... You
would have been 100% correct.

Your point was taken and thanks for clarifying....

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