Shock And Awww!!! Parte DEUX The Bush Legacy

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

This post will hopefully be part drinking game, part history lesson:
The drinking will hopefully ameliorate the pain of living through
perhaps the biggest mistake in American History.
The rules are Simple:
1. Every time Gasoline goes up in price you drink a beer or a shot of
your favorite concoction.
2. If Gasoline goes up more than once in a month, then you drink a
beer or shot for every instance that it goes up during that month.
For instance: If gas goes up twice within one month, you get two
shots, If gas goes up once, you only drink one shot per post.
3. Same rules apply if Gasoline goes down.
4. The source data will be AAA: http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
5. The historical source data will be:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!
Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69
3/20/2005: $2.10
3/20/2006: $2.50
3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25
5/15/2008: $3.80


On May 15, 10:15 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

> 5. The historical source data will be:http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas...

[Frugalrock]

Good thing the Dem leadership promised to fix the oil problem when
they took back control of Congress RW. That has worked like a charm.
Why not let them work on healthcare or social security next.

FR

On May 15, 11:21 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Hey Frug: Did you hear the joke about the two Republican Congressional
seats that went to the Democrats before the November election?
Yeah, The Republicans didn't think it was funny either! More Fun
Coming Up!

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[Frugalrock]

What score would you give to the Dem leadership so far RW for their
overall effectiveness? I will give them a 2 out of 10.

What score would you give to the minority in the Senate for their
effectiveness RW? I will give them an 8 out of 10 for keeping really
bad bills from becoming law.

Those dang Founding Fathers really were forward thinking on the role
of divided govt weren't they RW?

FR

On May 15, 12:26 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!
Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69
3/20/2005: $2.10
3/20/2006: $2.50
3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25

5/16/2008: $3.81

Drink Up Folks Gas is Up Again Today!!!!

On May 15, 11:21 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[KY Hooligan]

Hi Folks. I know LF really did miss me, based on some of her comments
so I don't want to break her heart entirely so here I am. (big grin)

RW...I know your implication in the previous post was to use the
typical Hate Mongering Bash Bush routine. So I will use your figures
above.

Prior to the election in 2006, then-House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi
announced that ‘Democrats have a commonsense plan to help bring down
skyrocketing gas prices.’ Pelosi told the American people that if
they put Democrats in charge of the House and Senate, we would all see
lower gas prices.

OK, Americans put them in Charge. What did they do?

3/20/2006: $2.50
3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25

5/15/2008: $3.80 3/20/2005 to 5/15/2008 Total Increase: $1.70

Yep, their plan sure did work. Right?


Since 2002 President Bush has sent 4 Bills to Congress to allow
drilling in ANWAR, off the coast of Calif and in the Gulf of Mexico.
Four times the Democrats and a few RINO Republicans have block the
Bills from reaching the President's desk. The 4th one was just a week
or so ago.

RW....I suggest you didn't get the Memo from the Democrats in
Congress.



On May 16, 2:09 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

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[KY Hooligan]

Drat...the first part of my post didn't get in there. So here it is:

Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69

3/20/2005: $2.10 1/20/2000 to 3/20/2005 Total Increase: 83 cents

Then the story as above. I thought it interesting that prior to the
election gas increased 83 cents and since the Democrats took over it
increase $1.70. Hmmmm.




On May 16, 2:09 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[dennis]

And the president's friends in the oil business just keep getting
richer.

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[Foxtrot]

KY Hooli - Welcome back my friend and I can say you certainly have
been missed. Now if we can just get Cycle Pro back on line it will be
terrific in the MC 24/7 June Cleaver household. Yep, LF, RW, Dennis
and a few others I won't mention didn't welcome Frug and me back with
open arms so, don't expect a big party. Heck, everyday here is just
like one happy Hatfield and McCoy's family reunion. Every once in a
while we have a shootout at the OK Corral with sling shots because the
RW's liberal Dem's want to take away our rights to bare arms. Heck,
they are so way out in left field they think surrendering then
bringing our troops home will make the Middle East completely safe.
Let Hillary, Obama, Reid and Pelosi sit down with Venezuela, Iran, all
terrorist leaders to break bread to seal peace on earth with just a
handshake. Wouldn't these terrorist country leaders be laughing
themselves almost to death negotiating with the 4 of our finest Dem's
all dressed in YELLOW? Hillary can't make up her mind if she wants to
blow Iran off the face of the map or snuggle up to terrorist
organizations.

Thank God we've had George Bush as president these past 7 years to
keep these whining liberal's safe, but would they even give him credit
for even this? Never...You know something, the louder they scream the
more commendable job Bush is doing. And that my friend is a good
thing. Let me ask you a question, how come just about everyone on here
who has served in the military support the president? Or is it those
so called Hate America Liberal's believe that all they have to do is
pay taxes and being spineless is serving our country? Wouldn't you say
there may be just something to the old saying, "Been there and done
that."

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[Jazzy-J]

Maybe all those who served who support the President are still in the brain-washed state you have to be in, in order to be effective in combat - meaning that you have to do what your commanding officer told you to do regardless of personal opinion. Maybe it's actually you folks who don't have the spines and instead allow the President to be your spine for you instead of having your own thoughts or opinions.

If a Democratic President is elected, as a veteran, will you still give this much of yourself to the Commander in Chief, or is that only for the current Commander in Chief?

Ooo friggin rah.

- Jazzy=J

[Foxtrot]

JJ - Think about what you said. Do you really have that low opinion of
the military? I don't believe Cycle Pro, KY Hooli, and I have been
brainwashed nor are we spineless. That would certainly be applicable
to hate liberals and they've proven that over and over again.

We've done our duty and after it is all said and done we can look back
and see that our leaders directed us in the best interests of the
United States. After all, we live in a free country don't we even if
we have a few liberal's wishing it harm in order to better promote
their agendas.

I'm sure there is a willing future Democrat candidate out there who
has served his country that I could support. I just haven't seen one
since JFK. Nope, I'm not that closed minded or naive. Sorry, shen you
have to pick the Al Gore's and John Kerry's the pickings are very slim
to none. If you think John McCain woudn't do a good job, then don't
vote for him in November but remember everyday you get up and don't
have to live under a communist czar - thank a veteran. Furthermore,
because you've had the opportunity pursuring career goals of your
choice, thank a teacher.

[dennis]

Justify the invasion and occupation of a foreign country, Fox.

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[Jazzy-J]

Sorry Fox, but that was a pretty low blow to some members here on this board. It's one thing to discuss the candidates but you're getting to be borderline Taylor County style - something you often complain about.

I do thank the military and teachers. But my gratitude is not so blind that I am going to be silent while they do and say what they want.

- Jazzy=J

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Gee Fox: If you want bare arms....Hell I could care less...What's your
favorite method Shaving or Nad's???

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

And how's that Bikini line doing? I've really never given much thought
to it but my wife claims that the phenomenon of
"Manscaping" is a practice used by more and more
"Metrosexuals"....Hell Fox! I never knew you had it in ya!

On May 18, 5:37 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Yeah....And If you wanna BEAR ARMS....Thank a teacher!

On May 18, 12:07 pm, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Okay...I know I am shaving hairs here....but it did go up 3/10ths of a
penny!....So Drink Up!!

On May 15, 11:21 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

> Shock And Awwww!
> Price of Gasoline:
> Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> 3/20/2004:$1.69
> 3/20/2005: $2.10
> 3/20/2006: $2.50
> 3/20/2007: $2.51
> 3/20/2008: $3.25

> 5/15/2008: $3.804

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Whoops! Forgot the Propaganda!....Drink up!

Shock And Awwww!
Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69
3/20/2005: $2.10
3/20/2006: $2.50
3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25
5/15/2008: $3.804

On May 18, 5:46 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[Foxtrot]

Dennis - You said, "Justify the invasion and occupation of a foreign
country, Fox."

Hummm.. Just exactly how I thought you would respond. I don't mean
this as an insult, God help us all if you were in charge of protecting
this country.

On May 18, 12:40 pm, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:
> Justify the invasion and occupation of a foreign country, Fox.
>
> On May 18, 12:07 pm, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > JJ - Think about what you said. Do you really have that low opinion of

> > the military? I don't believe Cycle Pro,KY Hooli, and I have been

> > brainwashed nor are we spineless. That would certainly be applicable
> > to hate liberals and they've proven that over and over again.
>
> > We've done our duty and after it is all said and done we can look back
> > and see that our leaders directed us in the best interests of the
> > United States. After all, we live in a free country don't we even if
> > we have a few liberal's wishing it harm in order to better promote
> > their agendas.
>
> > I'm sure there is a willing future Democrat candidate out there who
> > has served his country that I could support. I just haven't seen one
> > since JFK. Nope, I'm not that closed minded or naive. Sorry, shen you
> > have to pick the Al Gore's and John Kerry's the pickings are very slim
> > to none. If you think John McCain woudn't do a good job, then don't
> > vote for him in November but remember everyday you get up and don't
> > have to live under a communist czar - thank a veteran. Furthermore,
> > because you've had the opportunity pursuring career goals of your
> > choice, thank a teacher.
>
> > On May 18, 11:39�am, "Jazzy-J" <jazzy.ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Maybe all those who served who support the President are still in the brain-washed state you have to be in, in order to be effective in combat - meaning that you have to do what your commanding officer told you to do regardless of personal opinion. �Maybe it's actually you folks who don't have the spines and instead allow the President to be your spine for you instead of having your own thoughts or opinions. �
>
> > > If a Democratic President is elected, as a veteran, will you still give this much of yourself to the Commander in Chief, or is that only for the current Commander in Chief?
>
> > > Ooo friggin rah.
>
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[dennis]

So then you think it was ok for Saddam to invade Kuwait?

[Foxtrot]

JJ - Just tell me where I delivered a low blow. You should reread what
I wrote carefully, in response to your comments. Don't forget you
introduced insulting buzz words like brained-washed state and spines
(lack thereof, etc..). Don't be like Dennis and take what I said out
of context then divert attention by completely changing the subject.
For example, when he wrote, " So then you think it was ok for Saddam
to invade Kuwait?"

What on earth does the latter have to do with what I wrote?

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Oh hell no Fox: You need to answer Dennis on that one! What is the
moral difference between what Saddam did and what W did?

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

And besides Fox: You didn't reply as to whether you are a Nair or
Razor kinda guy.....;)

On May 18, 10:18 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[Foxtrot]

RW - You must be out of your mind if you expect me to answer such a
disgraceful question.
Besides, you've managed to sink to all time lows by even asking it.
It's pitiful liberals like you that make America look bad.

On May 18, 10:18 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Gee Thanks Fox! Coming from you that's special! Now are you referring
to the Nair question or the one that Dennis posed?

[Jazzy-J]

Actually Fox you brought up "spineless", I simply followed-up:

Foxtrot wrote: "Let me ask you a question, how come just about everyone on here

who has served in the military support the president? Or is it those
so called Hate America Liberal's believe that all they have to do is

pay taxes and being *spineless* is serving our country?"

Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

- JazzyJ

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." – P.J. O'Rourke

[Foxtrot]

I stand corrected. Furthermore, I don't know of any Hate America
Liberal's who aren't spineless.
Why do I say that? They demand all freedom's while refusing to serve
their country but will march and protest, under false pretenses they
say they support the military but they will undermine / disrespect
every chance they get, quick to finger point because it's always
somebody else's fault, they offer no viable solutions to this
country's problems, they are extremely weak on national defense, they
provide comfort and aid to our enemies, never saw a tax increase or
welfare program they didn't like, aborting a child is no problem, if
they weren't HATING President Bush it would be someone else, and I
could go on and on and on..... Now, thanks to that Veteran and Teacher
you have the freedom to rebut.

[dennis]

how many innocent kids have been killed in iraq?

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[Jazzy-J]

While we should be thankful for those who serve in the military, let us not
forget that the military is built on the backs of every working private
citizen. Without the taxes that come from our paychecks, there would be no
billions of dollars to fund a military for people to serve. How expansive
would the military be without funds? Just the very mention of holding back
funds for this war causes outrage throughout the country - so without our
hard work, the military sits dead in the water.

I am grateful for the men and women who serve in the military to protect our
freedoms, but don't get so high on your horse that you forget to have mutual
respect for the people you protect and fund your efforts.

I have the freedom to rebut NOT JUST because people serve in the military,
but because as entire country we do not believe in oppression. It takes
private citizens and the military to ensure freedom - without one the other
fails.

Feel free to Google any number of websites dedicated to Veterans against
Bush, Veterans against the Iraq War, etc. "Hate America" is your label not
theirs. In my opinion, those that blindly support without question are as
detrimental to this country as the people you claim to be spineless.

Your entire tirade is lame and without merit. You paint people with as
broad a brush as those you oppose.

- JazzyJ

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to

be bought and sold are legislators." - P.J. O'Rourke

[Foxtrot]

Many, many more kids would have been killed if Saddam and his sons
were still in power.

Now to answer your question - With the technological pinpoint laser
bombings of today in Iraq, the killing of innocent children is very
low compared to previous wars. I know you are attempting to blame our
military and their chain of command for all children killed in the
past 5 years. I can assure you the terrorists have by far killed the
majority of them and you know that.

DENNIS - Please quit playing POLITICS with this. Do you actually
believe people here don't know your motive?

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[Foxtrot]

Come on JJ now who is riding the high horse? You say you are
independent but come on, you have "liberal" written all over you. Just
go back and research your postings over the past couple years.

I'm very cognizant that the military funding is dependent on tax
revenues. I've served in the military and paid my fair share of
taxes...

And you are wrong about me labeling Hate Liberal's. Your own liberal
media coined that phrase my friend and the conservatives picked up on
it. It dates back to the Vietnam Era...

[fisherman]

Was that a McCain moment?

On May 18, 6:16 am, KY Hooligan <Swiftboat...@gmail.com> wrote:

[dennis]

What is my motive, Foxtrot, other than to disagree with the invasion
and occupation of a foreign country? We have toppled the previous
government and installed our own. Gee, sounds like Adolph Hitler and
the Soviet Union to me.
So, does this make me a liberal?
By the way, Fox, you want to sound the trumpet about our freedoms,
yet you do not want anyone to disagree with the administration's
policies.

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[Jazzy-J]

Independent is the lack of a political party affiliation.

Liberal is an adjective used to describe a person's views on certain political policies.

There is quite a difference. I've never said I was a full-fledged conservative, nor I am a full-fledged liberal. I tend to be liberal on social issues, and conservative on fiscal issues. I am not an Independent - I am a Libertarian. The two are not synonymous.

You are the one labeling people on this board as spineless "Hate America" liberals, not the media.

If you want to coin me as a "Hate America" Liberal then I really don't give a good god damn. I know who I am, I know what I stand for, and it sure the hell ain't the Government running my life or the rest of the world's by using military force.

- JazzyJ

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators." – P.J. O'Rourke

[KY Hooligan]

On May 19, 11:27 am, dennis <dgeorg...@alltel.net> wrote:

> how many innocent kids have been killed in iraq?
>

If you saw a child coming toward you with a bomb strapped to him that
intends to blow you and your buddies to hell, what would you do?
Shoot him or allow him to blow you up?

Innocents get killed in every war, regardless whether it's a Repub or
Dem President. Funny that no one mentions how LBJ lied about the
Tonkin incident so we could go to war in Vietnam. How many kids were
killed there? Talk about President lied, people died. But then I
guess that doesn't count since LBJ was a Liberal Democrat.

[fisherman]

Foxtrot, Jazzy may have what you consider liberal written all over him
but; you have denial for a failed administration and a failed war
written all over you.

Our country invaded Iraq who had nothing to do with 9/11, and we have
killed and displaced millions of people. That is impossible to
justify, I don't give a damn how hard the few who remain supportive to
the right try.

Hey Foxtrot have you noticed that the Republicans' are now synonymous
with bad dog food, that needs to be removed from the shelves? That
fact was a Republican fact not, a radical liberal one.

On May 19, 12:09 pm, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[dennis]

Maybe in this case of Iraq it's because they consider us the enemy.

[Foxtrot]

Dennis - Disagree all you want with the administration which is your
right. I happen to agree with what President Bush has done concerning
Iraq.

If I remember correctly, the previous Iraq administration murdered
hundreds of thousands of its own people. You liberals seem to
conveniently overlook that because apparently it doesn't fit properly
into your political agenda. Instead of caring about Sadaam's
massacres, it must be more important for you liberals to focus on Bush
bashing. You people never cease to amaze me how afar you distance
yourself from planet earth.

You've shown your true colors so, I'm not even going to dignify the
Hitler comment. However, I will say if you have such a low opinion by
insinuating or comparing our leaders to a man that murdered over 6
million Jews, then God help you.

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[dennis]

So, are you agreeing or disagreeing that we invaded a sovereign
nation, overthrew its government, and installed our own government?
Remember, Fox, we didn't do it because of Saddam's massacres.

[Jazzy-J]

KY Hooli - it definitely counts, but not in the argument for the current
war. Personally, I was not alive in during Vietnam or LBJ's Presidency;
however, I do think we should learn from our mistakes in history - not
repeat them. Don't you?

- JazzyJ

"When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to

be bought and sold are legislators." - P.J. O'Rourke

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

I believe President Johnson realized his mistakes and didn't run again
because of them. Something W is too spineless to do.

On May 19, 12:35 pm, KY Hooligan <Swiftboat...@gmail.com> wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!
Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69
3/20/2005: $2.10
3/20/2006: $2.50
3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25

5/17/2008: $3.804
5/19/2008: $3.799

Hey! It's actually going down! Drink Up!

On May 18, 6:01 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Whats up with Alaska? It has the highest gas prices in the nation at
$4.06!

On May 19, 2:10 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[lebanonfan]

KY Hooligan, I am just curious and you don't have to answer if you
don't want to, of course. But were you always a Republican? Have you
ever really known any Democrats? I guess I am wondering if there is
some personal reason for your obvious and very passionate vitriol
against one particular political party...



On May 20, 12:34 am, KY Hooligan <Swiftboat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Over the past 30 years:
>
> Which party blocked the development of new sources of petroleum?–
> Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling in ANWR?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off the coast of Florida?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off of the east coast?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off of the west coast?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off the Alaskan coast?– Democrat
> Which party blocked building oil refineries?– Democrat
> Which party blocked clean nuclear energy production?– Democrat
> Which party blocked clean coal production?– Democrat
>
> On May 19, 2:10 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

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[KY Hooligan]

Re did this post as I left something out.

Over the past 30 years:

Which party blocked the development of new sources of petroleum?–
Democrat
Which party blocked drilling in ANWR?– Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off the coast of Florida?– Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off of the east coast?– Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off of the west coast?– Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off the Alaskan coast?– Democrat
Which party blocked building oil refineries?– Democrat
Which party blocked clean nuclear energy production?– Democrat
Which party blocked clean coal production?– Democrat

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On May 19, 4:15 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[lebanonfan]

Your source promotes a site to find "Drunk Girls" for guys seeking
dates and gives links to find women who have been convicted of DUI's.
Shew!

All the rage in Pakistan I guess.

On May 20, 1:27 am, KY Hooligan <Swiftboat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Re did this post as I left something out.
>
> Over the past 30 years:
>
> Which party blocked the development of new sources of petroleum?–
> Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling in ANWR?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off the coast of Florida?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off of the east coast?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off of the west coast?– Democrat
> Which party blocked drilling off the Alaskan coast?– Democrat
> Which party blocked building oil refineries?– Democrat
> Which party blocked clean nuclear energy production?– Democrat
> Which party blocked clean coal production?– Democrat
>

> http://www.apakistannews.com/this-will-be-the-1-issue-in-the-2008-ele...

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[KY Hooligan]

Lf... I have never been a Republican, but then that's what happens
when one "assumes". I consider myself a Constitutionalist. There are
good things and bad things about all the parties, so I prefer not to
"belong" to them, thus I register Independent.

Yes I have known a lot of Democrats, mostly the older ones who were of
the old Party, unlike the Whiney Cry Babies and Hate Mongers of
today. The party is getting more Marxist by the year. I saw it first
hand in California during the "roaring 60's. Since that time I wanted
no part of it. If there is vitriol it is watching the Republic being
destroyed piece by piece. Even a small group in the Republican Party
is moving that direction.

If I was wrong why are you choosing between two Marxist for
President? Yes, they are both students of Saul Alinsky, big time
Communist in the Chicago area. Her thesis was about him, then worked
in a Law office run by a communist. Are you aware that she once
defended a child molester and destroyed a 12 year old child on the
stand and he got off free? Oh yeah, she was "only doing her job" yet
she's "for the children". However, I think she'd make a better
candidate than Obama, if she'd just quit lying so much.

Obama's "Community Organizing" in Chicago was straight out of the
Alinsky plan. It worked too. He's using the same tactics in his
quest for President...all words but no substance and no experience.
Hope will not provide jobs, put a roof over anyone's head or put food
on the table. The Democrats have been promising "hope" for 40 years.

If one thinks Bush is Hitler I challenge them to go to a Code Pink
gathering or go on most any college campus or log on to Daily Kos or
Huffington Post and say "I love Bush" and you will see real Gestapo
action.

Here we are with a gas crisis that could have been solved if the
Democrats had passed Bush's Bill in 2002 to drill in Anwar, off the
coast of CA and in the Gulf. He submitted that Bill 2 or 3 times since
and each time the Democrats blocked it (I know because I bothered to
look it up). The Democrats, showing their Pathological Hatred of Bush
meant more than the "low income and poor" they claim to care about
says it all. Yet they play the self righteous game and try to blame
Bush. I know Bush has made mistakes, which most all Presidents have,
but he's also done some good things. Yet I have not heard one
Democrat have the ethics and integrity to say so. I doubt they even
have a clue. Their "hatred" blinds them.

McCain isn't perfect either, but those who say he'll be Bush III are
just ignorant. He crossed Bush more than he ever agreed with him. I
think his Immigration plan, among a few others, sucks. But at least
he won't allow us to surrender and run for home with our tail between
our legs like the Democrats want to do.

Do you truly believe in your heart that eliminating the tax cuts,
taxing the "rich" and "windfall profits tax" on the oil companies is
actually going to help anyone other than taking more money out of our
pockets? Aren't the "rich" the ones proving the jobs? Wanna lose
them or watch costs go up so they can pay the added tax? The oil
companies will just pass the tax along to the pump. Wanna pay $5 or
$6/gallon at the pump? With people whining about low paying jobs or
no jobs and they are going to vote for this to hurt themselves more?

But taking all issues off the table the bottom line is this. Do you
vote for a Marxist or do you vote for a Patriot? If we vote for
Marxist then we are spitting on every person who ever served to defend
or die for our country. Perhaps some might spit on people like Fox
and me but could you spit on your own Father's service?

A lot to think about.

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[KY Hooligan]

I guess that's one of the differences between you and me. You see the
"garbage" instead of the truth of the News story. But it helps me to
understand you better. (smile)

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[Jazzy-J]

So again just to clarify, you are saying that gas prices can be controlled
by the government and are not a product of the market supply/demand
function?

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Hoolie: By your own site's estimate ANWR would provide no more than 2
years of oil for this nation?
Why not back proven alternative energy strategies such as
conservation, solar and wind?

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[KY Hooligan]

I never said that. We all know the demand is higher than the supply,
so why not drill for our own oil instead of running hat in hand to the
Saudi's? Everyone screams and yells for the President to "do
something" but he can't until Congress passes the bills. Everyone
complains about our money going to other countries, so why not invest
in our own country?

[KY Hooligan]

First it is not my site. I have heard a wide range of the amount of
oil in Anwar, depending on who you talk to and whose side they are
on. But why focus just on Anwar...what about off the coast of the US
and the Gulf? A lot more oil there.

Your solutions are going to be long term. If they were immediate
they'd be in use coast to coast. BTW why not address your comment
about wind power to Ted Kennedy?


On May 20, 8:15 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

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[Jazzy-J]

Well KYHooli you did say that the gas crisis would be solved if Congress
would have passed the bill that Bush presented to them more than once. If
our gas issues are solved so easily by Congress, then supply/demand can't
factor in that much.

By the way, Presidents are meant to send bills to Congress - it's the other
way around. Presidents should be focused on the limited power and duties
granted to them via the Constitution.

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!
Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69
3/20/2005: $2.10
3/20/2006: $2.50
3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25
5/17/2008: $3.804

5/19/2008: $3.793

Down Again! Wowser! Think I'll Buy A Hummer!
Drink Up!

On May 19, 2:10 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Seems to me that if things got bad enough Mr. Bush could just sign an
Executive Order. Wonder why he doesn't wanna try that instead of
playing footsey?

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!
> Price of Gasoline:
> Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> 3/20/2004:$1.69
> 3/20/2005: $2.10
> 3/20/2006: $2.50
> 3/20/2007: $2.51
> 3/20/2008: $3.25
> 5/17/2008: $3.804

> 5/20/2008: $3.794
Going Up! And What about that 130 dollar barrel Oil! Yet a New
Record!
Sure Am Glad We Got Things Under Control In The Middle East! Did you
notice how Oil prices plummeted when "W" went flyin' around to Saudi
with his Swagger Stick!? Why he plum scared them to death! Yeah
Right....

http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp

On May 20, 3:55 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Scratch that....134.00....Gettin' Nervous Yet?

On May 21, 2:19 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[Foxtrot]

Good Lord Hooli, you give whole new meaning by telling it like it is
on all these issues. Yep, you got them all 100% correct and I notice
LF didn't respond, but to be fair, what could she say?

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[jsb]

Maybe relief is on the way for the high oil prices.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/05/22/ccoil122.xml

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!> Price of Gasoline:
> > Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> > D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> > 3/20/2004:$1.69
> > 3/20/2005: $2.10
> > 3/20/2006: $2.50
> > 3/20/2007: $2.51
> > 3/20/2008: $3.25
> > 5/17/2008: $3.804

> > 5/22/2008: $3.821

Drink Up!.........Before you have to start using it in your Car!




On May 21, 2:19 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

I sure hope so. Did anyone see the special on CNN about running out
of gas? I did think that it was a bit on the side of fear mongering
but maybe not! Basically said that we would shut down at 7 to 10
dollars a gallon. But the funny thing is....that while this special
was being made one year ago the average price of Gasoline was....3.00
a gallon.

On May 22, 8:26 am, jsb <bvmmgi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Maybe relief is on the way for the high oil prices.
>

> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/05/22/cco...

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!> Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69
3/20/2005: $2.10
3/20/2006: $2.50
3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25
5/17/2008: $3.804
5/20/2008: $3.794

5/27/2008 $3.930
Up thirteen cents in 7 days....Drink up!

On May 21, 2:19 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

And Diesel is 5.12 a gallon in California....WOW!

On May 27, 3:06 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[Foxtrot]

RW - What's your point? Are you looking for a fall guy? If so, whom?
Are you attempting to imply that politics reins supreme over free
markets supply / demand pertinent to pricing? Be a stand up guy and
say what you mean.

I'll give you my solution. Let us drill over half our needs inside
the
mainland, Alaska, Hawaii, and U.S. territories wherever rich reserves
exist, thus telling the liberal environmentalists to take a hike. For
the record, I believe nature and the oil companies can coexist
without
us doing any harm to important plant and wildlife because we have the
technologies and commitment from corporate America to do it. If it
makes you feel any better, we have Federal regulatory agencies to
oversee this.


Now, let's hear a REAL viable solution(s) from you. I believe when
criticisms are thrown out at least have reasonable recommendations to
get resolution. Now, what say you?


On May 27, 3:13�pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Okay Fox: Here it is....Real Slow..."IMPEACH BUSH!"

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

....Indict Cheney!!!

On May 28, 9:50 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
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[Foxtrot]

Just as I thought, you couldn't state a viable solution. However, GO
AHEAD and contact your congressman to begin impeachment proceedings
then we'll see how it plays out. Same scenario for VP
Cheney....Wasn't it you who said that a person is gulity until proven
innocent? Is that the way your Radical Liberal Constitution reads? If
so, what page?

On May 28, 9:50 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3808463199674481585&q=Articles+of+Impeachment&ei=23A9SLmYLou05ALIzIngAw&hl=en

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[fisherman]

Sounds like a winner to me but I believe they will wait until these 2
leave office, Democrats occupy more seats, and a real President takes
the White House. Hopefully justice will eventually be served if such a
thing is possible in the face, of the carnage Bush and Cheney have
committed against our military and the people of Iraq.


On May 28, 10:54 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3808463199674481585&q=Articl...

[crzycatlady]

Fox, so they are all guilty because this person has written a book and
says so, huh?
lets write us a book

On May 28, 10:07 am, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Jazzy-J]

...let freedom ring...

- JazzyJ

[Foxtrot]

Then PROVE all these allegations...If Democrat Dennis Kucinich had
anything even remotely close to what he says then why didn't he or the
Speaker of the House do their Constitutional duty and file Articles of
Impeachment? Simple answer - they don't have any evidence. Thank God
the President and VP's fate can't be dishonestly determined then
convicted in the Looney Lib's court of public opinion or polls. As
long as you and others are screaming, we know they are doing their
jobs and extremely well, I may add.

What branch of service did you serve in the military? When was the
last time you visited Iraq? What's the old saying, "Those who scream
the loudest have done the least for their country." If you are so
concerned about the military don't fabricate excuses why you can't do
something positive. They take step forward to JOIN and be a patriot.
Real men and women wearing the uniform don't choose their commander-in-
chief, they have the backbone to SERVE their country when called. They
certainly don't complain, make false allegations, finger point,
etc....Some civilian's who are anti's just don't have the stomach.
All they can propose is to cut and run to let other's do their
fighting for them. Could their favorite color be YELLOW?

[Foxtrot]

Cat Lady, - Well stated...One thing is for sure, terrorist's love
critic loon's because will believe anything and everything. Truth
isn't a high priority for them....

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[KY Hooligan]

Fox....First the fact that they call for the Impeachment of Bush,
without any valid proof, shows they care more about Mob Justice than
Constitutional Justice.

If anyone wants to get a clear view of the thinking and position of
Liberals and what they truly stand for, just read these two web
sites. It tell you all you need to know about the Liberals here.

http://www.sp-usa.org

http://www.cpusa.org

Support Marxist Candidates - Vote Democrat

On May 28, 10:07 am, Foxtrot <ram1969...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[crzycatlady]

anyone of us who has had a job can write a book slamming their former
employer. It doesnt matter how much you say you liked them, you could
still write something that would slam them. Why and how? You were
part of the inside.
McClellan was part of the problem he didnt fess up until now AFTER he
is out of the position. Why did he not say something then and THEN
quit?

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[Foxtrot]

cat lady - it ceases to amaze me why any employee who was so
dissatisfied that he would have let the cat of the bag before he left.
it wasn't like McCellan didn't have marketable skills that would have
easily doubled his salary. they've interviewed other Bush press
secretaries who worked closely & knew him well. to a person they all
said that they weren't pressured to say anything that wasn't above
board, much less unethical. i have a feeling that scott will be eating
some crow down the road when he confesses the truth....


i'm a firm believer that you NEVER bite the hand that feeds you unless
some terrible improprieties exist. it will always come home to haunt
you. therefore, McCellan better make $$$ millions on this book because
who would hire this man now? i remember one time this famous 4 star
general in the gulf war blatantly smeared his former vietnam unit
in his #1 best seller. this same man got 7 people killed by giving a
direct order to send men into a heavily booby trapped area despite the
fact that he had been warned numerous times. he wrote in his #1 best
seller book these men got killed due to their own stupidity. when
confronted, his response was, "you have to do what you have to do to
sell a book." how do you think the families of these 7 men felt after
reading that? what about the dead men who couldn't defend
themselves?...i would say you can stick a fork in mccellan because he
is well DONE.

[Jazzy-J]

I've been in the situation before where my CEO was making the entire company go under and I stayed. When I did question him about issues going on, he terminated my employment due to "budget constraints"...only to rehire me within 2 weeks. I went back - why? Because I needed a paycheck, and I had no issue with him paying me while I looked for other employment.

It happens. Life is not always how it seems in the movies.

Let us not forget McClellan's tale is just as believable as it is unbelievable.

- JazzyJ

[crzycatlady]

Fox, I mean if he had something SOOOO important why didnt he say it
and leak it and write his book BEFORE he quit?
I think everybody who leaves a job has been dissatisfied at one point
or the other. I mean this dude is saying some stuff that is could be
potentially harmful-why is it so important NOW and not then? He could
have said something right before he resigned.
Oh I know, to sell a book and make money before the movie comes out.
Shouldnt McClellan be in some sort of hot water as well since he knew
of "stuff" and didnt come forward sooner? hmmmmmm maybe he would
like cheese with his crow?

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[crzycatlady]

"Start with the obvious: Wasn't it McClellan's job to resign in
protest if he thought the American people were being misled? If so,
this was his own failing, not Bush's."

IBDeditorials.com "McClellsn's Mess"

just what I said!!!!! I thought he quit-was he fired or did he
quit??????????

[Foxtrot]

Cat Lady - I would love to see him get a supeona to go before a
Federal Grand Jury or a Congressional Committee. He is making
allegations and he better be able to back them up. If you've ever
known anyone who has gone before a Federal Grand Jury in Washington,
DC I can tell you that it is BRUTAL. They threaten you with prison
time, can accuse you of lying, and lots more. All one can do is sit
there and take it hour after hour and god forbid you better not lie or
even exaggerate slightly. You virtually have zero rights. At least
before a Congressional Committee you can look them in the face and you
can have your lawyer sitting next to you.

Truthfully, I'm not worried at all about what McCellan has written.
Sure, the liberals are in their glory but let them have their fun
before it gets thrown back in their face; hopefully, around November.

On May 29, 11:35 am, crzycatlady <crzycatldy8...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[crzycatlady]

I'm not worried either, I look at it like a disgruntled employee
trying to get back at an employer, makes the employee look bad.
Again, if he had something so damning to tell the world, he should
have done it alot sooner. By not doing so, he has muddied himself as
well.
propaganda

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Was McClellan fired CCL?

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Ya know guys you remind me of those citizens of Dachau, who were
indignant and still unbelieving -even as they were forced to tour the
death camp and the ovens used to incinerate the evidence.

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[crzycatlady]

RW I am asking was he fired? I thought he resigned.

You know what RW you can be a pig
why bring up Dachau? Why do you always have to bring up Hitler and
Nazi Germany? Why dont you go to the schools and make sure they are
teaching what happened so we dont forget and we dont let it happen
again?
How many family members did you lose there? How many friends did you
lose there?
I lost family and friends and I wont forget the atrocities or the
blindness of the world. When you want to compare anyone to Nazi
Germany PLEASE dont include me. I still see those friggin tatoo's on
my family members arms, those numbers.

I think every single pres is corrupt in some form. Power corrupts and
it is a never ending hunger. I think all politicians are crooked. I
dont think my vote matters one ounce when I place it. I dont care if
you are a dem or a rep or a martian or whatever-party doesnt matter
crap to me. I dont like any of the candidates at the moment and I
especially dont like Barry Obama.
RW, I am sure you dont agree which is fine and dandy, but I see the
book as being propaganda.
I am not walking blindly past sir, but I am saying if McClellan had
something so damning to say he should have said it a long time ago; so
who the hell is the blind one RW? Wouldnt it McClellan? He turned
away apparently from shit he saw and did nothing-he is as guilty as
the rest.

pardon my language


On May 29, 1:06 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

[crzycatlady]

sorry RW ya hit a nerve

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

No Problem. I have some questions for you:

What is so hard to believe about George W Bush deciding - before 9/11
- that regime change was going to take place and that the United
States would be in the lead in doing so? With ABSOLUTELY No Planning
for what would be need after "Mission Accomplished" Remember: It took
two years for a Civil War to begin in that country due to the
negligence of the Administration's lack of....administration in that
country. This, despite the advice by military leaders with hundreds
of years of combined experience who DID resign and DID warn the
administration and the American people of the coming disaster?

What is so hard to believe about what you yourself witnessed in the
weeks after Katrina? People were dying days and weeks after the
event due to the fact that the Bush Administration either refused or
did not have the ability (see above question) to rescue Americans in
need?

What is so hard to believe about a President who can look you in the
eye and tell you that Water boarding is NOT torture?

What is so hard to believe about the combined criticism of:
-A former Treasury Secretary
-TWO former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
-A former Chief of the Army
-TWO former Theatre Commanders
-A former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency
-A former Anti Terror Czar and member of the Security Council
-TWO former Press Secretaries (Don't forget Arie Fleischer)

...And I could go on...

These people were hand picked by George W Bush himself - or at least
his surrogate: Richard Cheney.

Contrary to your naive assertions: These people most definitely
realized that their position in history would be damned by NOT coming
forward with their criticisms.

You apparently have not grasped the lessons of your ancestors.

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[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

Shock And Awwww!> Price of Gasoline:
Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
3/20/2004:$1.69
3/20/2005: $2.10
3/20/2006: $2.50

3/20/2007: $2.51
3/20/2008: $3.25
5/17/2008: $3.804
5/20/2008: $3.794
5/27/2008 $3.930

5/29/2008: $3.921
Down Just In Time For Happy Hour! Drink Up!
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp

On May 27, 3:06 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:
> Shock And Awwww!> Price of Gasoline:
> Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> 3/20/2004:$1.69
> 3/20/2005: $2.10
> 3/20/2006: $2.50

> 3/20/2007: $2.51
> 3/20/2008: $3.25
> 5/17/2008: $3.804
> 5/20/2008: $3.794
> 5/27/2008 $3.930
> Up thirteen cents in 7 days....Drink up!
>

> On May 21, 2:19 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

> wrote:
>
> > Shock And Awwww!> Price of Gasoline:
> > > Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> > > D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> > > 3/20/2004:$1.69
> > > 3/20/2005: $2.10
> > > 3/20/2006: $2.50

> > > 3/20/2007: $2.51
> > > 3/20/2008: $3.25
> > > 5/17/2008: $3.804
> > > 5/20/2008: $3.794
>

> > Going Up! And What about that 130 dollar barrel Oil! Yet a New
> > Record!
> > Sure Am Glad We Got Things Under Control In The Middle East! Did you
> > notice how Oil prices plummeted when "W" went flyin' around to Saudi
> > with his Swagger Stick!? Why he plum scared them to death! Yeah
> > Right....
>
> >http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp
>

> > On May 20, 3:55 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

> > wrote:
>
> > > Shock And Awwww!
> > > Price of Gasoline:
> > > Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> > > D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> > > 3/20/2004:$1.69
> > > 3/20/2005: $2.10
> > > 3/20/2006: $2.50

> > > 3/20/2007: $2.51
> > > 3/20/2008: $3.25
> > > 5/17/2008: $3.804

> > > 5/19/2008: $3.793
>
> > > Down Again! Wowser! Think I'll Buy A Hummer!

> > > Drink Up!
>
> > > On May 19, 2:10 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Shock And Awwww!
> > > > Price of Gasoline:
> > > > Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> > > > D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> > > > 3/20/2004:$1.69
> > > > 3/20/2005: $2.10
> > > > 3/20/2006: $2.50

> > > > 3/20/2007: $2.51
> > > > 3/20/2008: $3.25
> > > > 5/17/2008: $3.804

> > > > 5/19/2008: $3.799
>
> > > > Hey! It's actually going down! Drink Up!
>
> > > > On May 18, 6:01 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Whoops! Forgot the Propaganda!....Drink up!
>

> > > > > Shock And Awwww!
> > > > > Price of Gasoline:
> > > > > Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> > > > > D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> > > > > 3/20/2004:$1.69
> > > > > 3/20/2005: $2.10
> > > > > 3/20/2006: $2.50

> > > > > 3/20/2007: $2.51
> > > > > 3/20/2008: $3.25
> > > > > 5/15/2008: $3.804
>
> > > > > On May 18, 5:46 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Okay...I know I am shaving hairs here....but it did go up 3/10ths of a
> > > > > > penny!....So Drink Up!!
>

> > > > > > On May 15, 11:21 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

> > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Shock And Awwww!
> > > > > > > Price of Gasoline:
> > > > > > > Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
> > > > > > > D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> > > > > > > 3/20/2004:$1.69
> > > > > > > 3/20/2005: $2.10
> > > > > > > 3/20/2006: $2.50

> > > > > > > 3/20/2007: $2.51
> > > > > > > 3/20/2008: $3.25
> > > > > > > 5/15/2008: $3.804
>

> > > > > > > On May 15, 10:15 am, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>

> > > > > > > > This post will hopefully be part drinking game, part history lesson:
> > > > > > > > The drinking will hopefully ameliorate the pain of living through
> > > > > > > > perhaps the biggest mistake in American History.
> > > > > > > > The rules are Simple:
> > > > > > > > 1. Every time Gasoline goes up in price you drink a beer or a shot of
> > > > > > > > your favorite concoction.
> > > > > > > > 2. If Gasoline goes up more than once in a month, then you drink a
> > > > > > > > beer or shot for every instance that it goes up during that month.
> > > > > > > > For instance: If gas goes up twice within one month, you get two
> > > > > > > > shots, If gas goes up once, you only drink one shot per post.
> > > > > > > > 3. Same rules apply if Gasoline goes down.

[crzycatlady]

oooooohhhhh no
RW
I just told you I know there is corruption in every aspect of
government
I think your comparison to Nazi Germany is cruel; Now, tell me where
the comparison to Nazi Germany comes in.
You dont have questions for me, you have rhetoric;you have a
lecture.
Also, I dont care what McClellan has to say: I do care that he did
not come forward much sooner. he is basically saying the same ol same
ol most have said anyway.

1.) Iraq - I never said I didnt believe Bush deciding before 9/11 did
I? Nope
I have wondered if Cheney may have been an instigator, there I
said it.
I think Cheney is the worst one.
I think Bush wanted to get Saddam because his dad didnt. I dont
disagree totally with the war, but I have to question if we are still
fighting for the same reason we went there anywhere over there, the
attack of 9/11. I still want to know what we win? yea I want our
guys and women home to defend us on our soil, but I think we need to
tie up loose ends.

2.) I have never said I believe we the USA acted in the best interest
of those people in Katrina states: I think FEMA is a joke. I think
whomever had Bush flyover was an idiot and he doing it well, that is
stupid.
McClellan was in office then, why did he not say or do something
then? Those people are still in agony and will be. What have the dems
done for them, by the way? Are they down there now picking up the
pieces that apparently Bush isnt? Is Pelosi down there? Obama, is he
down there getting his hands dirty? Oh, that is right, only when it is
a photo op. Give me a break.

3.) I know torture is torture. I dont need Bush, Cheney, Barry, you
or anybody telling me what is or what is not torture.
I am SICK of government and every MAN assuming they can tell me
what I think and feel and that they know what is best for me. Like I
said before, I think they (the government and all politicians) are
crooked they all lie especially to make them look good, even if it is
for the "morale"

My assertions are not naive. S o their place in history wont be damned
if they dont come out. Make sense please.
I dont see any of your party making any great strides in changing
anything RW. I dont have to agree and I dont. I am not a party gal,
RW. Never have been never will be, until they come and make me.

On May 29, 2:38 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

...It's always...THE MAN!....So what is different between Krystal
Nacht and the run up to Iraq CCL?

> ...
>
> read more »

[Frugalrock]

Wow it looks like the Dem leadership's plan for energy independence
and taking care of those evil oil companies has worked out beautifully
since 11/06. Keep it up Pelosi/Reid.

FR

On May 29, 3:04 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>

wrote:
>   Shock And Awwww!> Price of Gasoline:
>  Inauguration Day: 1/20/2000: $1.27
>  D-Day Iraq War: 3/20/2003: $1.65
> 3/20/2004:$1.69
> 3/20/2005: $2.10
> 3/20/2006: $2.50
> 3/20/2007: $2.51
> 3/20/2008: $3.25
> 5/17/2008: $3.804
> 5/20/2008: $3.794
> 5/27/2008  $3.930

> 5/29/2008: $3.921
> Down Just In Time For Happy Hour!  Drink Up!http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp

> > > > > > > 5. The historical source data will be:http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas...- Hide quoted text -

[crzycatlady]

kristallnacht was the result of more than 5 years of discrimination
and persecution.
so we killed many people because of who they are men women children
ran them from their ghetto homes in the middle of the night just
because we the USA felt they had to be exterminated for they were
Iraqi's? Is thah what we did RW? we killed people for just being
alive? for no other reason? you are telling me we destoyed thousands
of Iragi's homes and businesses and we killed people thousands of
people who were not involved in fighting us? in an effort to eradicate
the whole race of people? we planned for a year the mass destruction
of thousands just because they were Iragi? we have not let any Iraqi
live have we? We are over there now killing every damn Iraqi we see
because they are Iraqi? We are so jealous of them we arent letting
them work? You are not remotely close. Going to compare Iraq to Baba
Yar too?
you are trying to make a rational equivalency between a war, even a
war on terrorism, with the planned and almost successful annihilation
of a whole race of people. And you are trying your hardest to make a
comparison between Hitler a dictator with Bush. Hitler, a man who
wanted to dominate the world with no jews, gypsies, blacks,mentally
ill, mentally retarded, old, sick, homosexuals? Are you serious?




oh yes it is the man RW I guess you havent seen we are governed by a
patriarchial system and I am woman, so yes it is the man. We need a
woman, but I dont know if Hil is the right one.


I thought I was out of the conversation when I took it personal, but I
am out because you are ridiculous.
On May 29, 12:31 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote:

> ...
>
> read more »

[crzycatlady]

ps
I guess Hiroshima is the same too?

> ...
>
> read more »

[fisherman]

Let me ask a silly question. You really don't think Scott McClellan
was telling the truth about Bush, because he waited?
That really doesn't make what he has said a lie does it.

I think most Americans realize that Bush wanted to go to war before
Sept 11th. If you don't agree that is your right I hear there are a
few people left who still support the President not many but a few.
And. There are people who believe in Santa too.

McClellan said he grew "increasingly dismayed and disillusioned"
during his final year as White House press secretary, and pinpointed
the unfolding of the CIA leak case — and what it revealed about Bush's
role in releasing classified information about Iraq to the press — as
his tipping point. McClellan was elevated to press secretary in July
2003 and left the White House in April 2006.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080529/ap_on_go_pr_wh/mcclellan_book_9

http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761

Two years before 9/11, candidate Bush was already talking privately
about attacking Iraq, according to his former ghost writer
In 1999, Herskowitz struck a deal with the campaign of George W. Bush
about a ghost-written autobiography, which was ultimately titled A
Charge to Keep : My Journey to the White House, and he and Bush signed
a contract in which the two would split the proceeds. T

On May 29, 12:00 pm, crzycatlady <crzycatldy8...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[crzycatlady]

WAIT I DIDNT THINK I SAID HE IS LYING, I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE SAID
SOMETHING SOONER
I DONT NECESSARILY WANT TO BELIEVE IT ALL, BUT I DONT THINK HE IS
LYING!!!!!
I THINK HE WAS BOUND AND DETERMINED TO GO TO IRAQ-HE WANTED SADDAM
I THINK BY WAITING MCCLELLAN IS GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION, MY OPINION
nothing surprises me!!!
but I dont RW is comparing apples to apples either
I still wonder if we had something to do with 9/11-dont stone me.

On May 29, 2:37 pm, fisherman <winterfisher...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Let me ask a silly question. You really don't think Scott McClellan
> was telling the truth about Bush, because he waited?
> That really doesn't make what he has said a lie does it.
>
> I think most Americans realize that Bush wanted to go to war before
> Sept 11th. If you don't agree that is your right I hear there are a
> few people left who still support the President not many but a few.
> And. There are people who believe in Santa too.
>
> McClellan said he grew "increasingly dismayed and disillusioned"
> during his final year as White House press secretary, and pinpointed
> the unfolding of the CIA leak case — and what it revealed about Bush's
> role in releasing classified information about Iraq to the press — as
> his tipping point. McClellan was elevated to press secretary in July

> 2003 and left the White House in April 2006.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080529/ap_on_go_pr_wh/mcclellan_book_9

> ...
>
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[crzycatlady]

ps I think everyone who has left a job could write a book about what
happened as an insider.
In this case, what the man has to say is damaging, to say the least.
This kind of tell all book written after leaving a post and before an
election just makes wonder that is all, why if the stuff he is saying
is all true why he didnt feel compelled to blow the whistle earlier.
I dont think he is lying, but I wonder if it is all the truth.

> ...
>
> read more »

[rwhi...@elkcreek.net]

I still maintain that you are in denial.

> ...
>
> read more »

[crzycatlady]

ok I will bite
denial of what pray tell?

On May 29, 9:30 pm, "rwhitl...@elkcreek.net" <rwhitl...@elkcreek.net>
wrote: