Queen - A Night At The Opera (DVD-Audio) - The "Real" Elliot Scheiner Mix

[LennonCobain]

I'm looking to get my hands on the 5.1 mix of "A Night At The Opera" by Elliot Scheiner.  From what I've read, it seems like Schenier's mix never made it onto retail copies of the DVD-Audio disc even though his name is included in the credits.  Apparently Brian May didn't care for the 5.1 mix and created his own.  That is the version found on the DVD-Audio discs that most of us have as well as the 30th Anniversary bonus DVD.

Does anyone here have Scheiner's mix to share?

[Highlander]

So, did Brian May mix that 5.1 DTS cd that came out, I believe, during the mid 1990's? I think that mix was then transferred to the DVD-A release that came out around 2002 or so. Where did you read that info about Elliot Scheiner?

[LennonCobain]

I am not aware of a DTS CD retail release, only the DVD-Audio and subsequent 30th Anniversary DVD-V.  Your DTS CD may actually contain the original Scheiner mix.  Are you willing to share your DTS CD and the artwork?

You can find some more information about the Scheiner situation here:

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/queen-a-night-at-the-opera-dvd-audio-scheiner-vs-may-surround-mix.201801/

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?10453-Queen-ANATO-History-amp-differences&highlight=queen

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?3766-Queen-NIGHT-AT-THE-OPERA-DVD-A/page2

[Highlander]

Sorry, I don't own the DTS cd release. Perhaps I'm mistaken that it was ever issued, since you've done this research and don't know about it...

[LennonCobain]

In one of the threads in my prior post, someone has suggested that Scheiner's mix may have been distributed as a DTS CD within DTS Entertainment as a demo / promo disc.

[Kenny Bullock]

btw -- to those who posted here -- no there is not a DTS CD of this -- the DTS 5.1 is on the DVD Audio disc on the video side (the program in the Video_TS folder)    - therefore if you have the DVD Audio disc you also have the DTS version

My understanding is the very first DVD Audio disc release was the Scheiner mix - it has a copyright date of 2001 - that was pulled - then changed by May and rereleased - the changed version has a copyright of 2002 - that is my understanding of this.  I do own the 2002 disc.  I have not seen the 2001 version.

[Paulgarfunkel]

I will have to check but I bought mine the day it was released.

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[lokkerman]

Interestingly I have the 30th Anniversary CD+DVD which states "5.1 mixes produced by Roy Thomas baker, Co-produced by Brian May, 5.1 mixes by Elliot Scheiner"

[LennonCobain]

Over at QQ, it appears that the disc with the "real" Scheiner mix has been identified:

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?3766-Queen-NIGHT-AT-THE-OPERA-DVD-A-BluRay-Audio/page4&highlight=queen

 

 Does anyone here have this actual disc, and if so, are you willing to share it on the H?

[ROBERT]

I have a 2002 Phonogram DVD-A – presumably not the sought after version?

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[cepl...@aol.com]

To all,

   Just saw this post.   Am not sure what the ultimate version is, but I think I have 2 or 3 versions of this in possession. I definitely don't have any blu-ray versions though.  In any case, if someone can tell me which version is the "must have", will be happy to find a way to share it on the H, as you put it. 

Sincerely, 

           CP

[elshagon]

Looked through my collection and I don't have the right one either

[LennonCobain]

Please look at the image that I attached to my post on October 21st in order to identify if you have the Scheiner mix disc.  Generally Scheiner's mixes are very highly regarded, so I am willing to make the assumption that Scheiner's mix will be the "ultimate version".  However, I haven't heard it myself since I don't have the disc.  Hopefully you do. :)

On Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:44:57 AM UTC-4, quadaholic wrote:

To all,

   Just saw this post.   Am not sure what the ultimate version is, but I think I have 2 or 3 versions of this in possession. I definitely don't have any blu-ray versions though.  In any case, if someone can tell me which version is the "must have", will be happy to find a way to share it on the H, as you put it. 

Sincerely, 

           CP

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I have a 2002 Phonogram DVD-A – presumably not the sought after version?

 

[cepl...@aol.com]

OK, dug out my discs, and looks like I have the 2002 mix and the 2005 mix.  Sorry about that.  - CP

[Lokkerman]

Looks like a rare beast

[citysoundman]

This thread piqued my interest as well. After a bunch of Googling, and learning about this rare 2001 disc which most people say is the original Elliot Scheiner mix, I think I've discovered one for sale! It's on the Amazon used marketplace. The seller describes his disc as having a hole in the barcode, which is what I read was a feature of the 2001 disc. Since this disc wasn't officially for sale this makes sense. So I sent him the jpg posted here of the face of the 2001 disc and he replied that his disc is the same. The listing is here http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00005RG6M/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used. Sellers name is DJMM from Maryland. Price is $54.99.

I don't think I want to spend that much but maybe someone here wants to spring for it? I'm sure we'd all be very grateful to anyone who'd share it with the group.

citysoundman

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:43:12 PM UTC-4, LennonCobain wrote:

[cepl...@aol.com]

Fingers crossed.   Just bought it.  Thanks for the tip, bud.   - CP     PS    If this isn't the right one, this will be the most expensive coaster I've ever bought!     

[RW]

It is to be hoped that this *is* the Scheiner mix and that it finds its way onto the H*b....Please keep us apprised!

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 12:43:12 PM UTC-4, LennonCobain wrote:

[cepl...@aol.com]

happy to do what I can.   Could probably use some input on best format (multi-channel flac?) as well as extraction method.     Anyway, fingers crossed. - CP

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[Lokkerman]

From the image of the disc it looks like it is a DTS disc not purely a DVD-A. In either case the best way is to create an ISO then folks can rip it either way. If it is only DTS then ImgBurn is probably the best or easiest. You will know by the Size- DTS only is CD, DVD-A is like it implies - DVD size.

[cepl...@aol.com]

Got it, will keep everyone posted. -CP 

[Cheezmo]

There is no dts-CD of Night at the Opera.  While this is produced by dts Entertainment, it is a DVD-Audio (also has a DVD-spec DTS encoding on it).  You’ll want the lossless DVD-Audio though.

[cepl...@aol.com]

Good to hear.  A DTS cd would be kind of a letdown, knowing that this is supposed to be the coolest mix.-CP

[Lokkerman]

That’s good to know; I didn’t notice the DVD-A when I first viewed it. Just looked through my DVD-A’s and there’s only a few like it. Frank Zappa and David Alan are the most obvious ones. Interestingly I also noticed that the Eagles “Hell Freezes Over” is co-produced by the Man, this is a DTS only disc.

[citysoundman]

I'll second the idea of posting an .ISO using imageburn. For me, and others who have an Oppo, we can play ISO's directly. You could also create multichannel FLACs and post these as well. Thanks!

[cepl...@aol.com]

Thanks for all this info.  I had to make some multichannel flacs recently so I will keep that in mind. Just be patient, as day job/family commitments tend to eat up most of my time, and it might be a little while before I can dig in to this. - CP

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[LennonCobain]

Please let us know when you've made the disc available.  Thanks in advance!

[cepl...@aol.com]

Will do.   Disc came in the mail a few days ago, but have been bogged down with "responsible grownup" duties eating up all of my  time. Hope to get to it in the next few days.   -  CP     

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[citysoundman]

So it definitely is the 2001 release?

[cepl...@aol.com]

The labelling on the disc appears to be correct, however, haven't taken a listen yet.  Hopefully today will take a listen for that piano in the back speakers of "Rhapsody". - CP

[citysoundman]

Great news! Multichannel FLACs are now sharing on the hub in my folder Audio FLAC>Audio Multichannel>1_Popular>Queen. Thanks quadaholic for getting me the files. I added cover art and tags to the tracks. Quality is great at 96K/24bit. Enjoy!

BTW I compared a few tracks to the 2002 DVD-A FLACs. The Elliot Scheiner mixes seem to sound a bit more 'upfront' sounding. Maybe the 2002 release used more reverb and processing on the mixes.

citysoundman

[Mikey...@gmx.de]

hey everybody,

I hate myself for writing this email,

but I would LOVE to have those files

is there any way I can leech them from somebody,

I used to be on the hub some time ago, but I left cos I felt I could not really contribute,

and now this ANATO Scheiner mix...

man I'd really LOVE to hear those mixes

any chance somebody send me this stuff via wetransfer or dropbox or similar?

THANX

MIKEY

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[cepl...@aol.com]

Any recommendations on the best way to make an ISO of DVD-A.    Initial efforts with ImgBurn don't seem to be cutting it.  -CP

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[RJ.Knuth]

I use DVDFab.  It works for me.

RJ

[Lokkerman]

If it is encrypted then it will not work. You will need a de-crypt programme like Any DVD  etc. which works alongside of ImgBurn.

[Lokkerman]

Which indecently de-crypts.

[Mike Thompson]

I would also like to see if I can be granted access to this collection. I have several disks that I would like "backed up" on remote systems, that might be of interest to others.

Thank you.

[Mikey...@gmx.de]

Mike,

I think Lokks will be able to provide you with the necessary information for that "remote backup system" :-)

I myself could forward you an email from Mr. ceplaster that I received yesterday, if that's OK, ceplaster?

CU

MIKEY

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[cepl...@aol.com]

Beat you to it, there, guy.    -CP

[Highlander]

Just wanted to say thanks CP for finding this rare and out-of-print elusive Scheiner mix! Appreciate your efforts. :-)

[Mikey...@gmx.de]

me too

M

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[cepl...@aol.com]

No prob, although to be fair, I didn't find it, I just bought it.    In addition to being a Queen fan, I like having a chance to contribute when the opportunity presents itself.   With a little luck, will have a disc image of same before long.   - CP

[Jan Bakker]

A bit late but thanks for giving me the opportunity to listen to this rare recording!

Op woensdag 19 november 2014 05:12:01 UTC+1 schreef citysoundman:

[LennonCobain]

Has there been any success in creating an .iso or disc image?  Thanks!

[cepl...@aol.com]

Yes, I did it a while back.   I can't even remember whom I shared it but it's out there on the group.  If no one speaks up I can probably find the iso and get it to you somehow.  - CP

[grill]

Does anyone have a full iso copy of it?