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Exclusive: Hardliners in Costume as Moderate Muslims
Stephen Schwartz

Author: Stephen Schwartz
Source: The Family Security Foundation, Inc.
Date: January 3, 2007

 

FSM readers are probably familiar now with the term “taqiyya” (tack-ee-ya) which allows Muslims to be deceitful if it advances their causes. This could be the practice at work when extremist Muslims masquerade as moderate Muslims in order to gain traction against good hearted Americans in their quest for global domination. FSM Contributing Editor Stephen Schwartz names names in this revealing piece about just whom we Americans cannot trust in the American Muslim community, even as our government fails to do so. Remember them.

 

 

 

Hardliners in Costume as Moderate Muslims

 

By Stephen Schwartz

 

September 11, 2001 changed a lot of things for America and the world. Americans and other Westerners were suddenly forced to examine the faith of Islam and to try to figure out who among the world’s billion-plus Muslims – including several million living here in the U.S. – could be considered friends and allies in the fight against bloodthirsty terrorism.

           

This remains a major challenge, and U.S. government representatives have done a poor job of responding to it. Many sincere Americans say they don’t know how to differentiate between a moderate Muslim and an extremist.

           

Behind the scenes in Washington, Justice Department and other federal employees complain, barring attribution to them, that their bosses have budgeted no resources (literally none) to train investigators in the nature, history, and habits of Muslim radicals.

           

And in key departments like Homeland Security, a predictable attitude has emerged.   The West, it is said, should engage in dialogue with Muslim radicals. Paradoxically, however, 9/11 also brought about another change in America: outspoken Muslim extremists began re-branding themselves as moderates.

 

Within days of the horrific attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, America’s main, self-appointed Muslim leaders stood up with President George W. Bush at the National Cathedral in Washington, to condemn the terrorists. Muslim moderates were shocked, then, to see that the “leaders” chosen to represent them at such a difficult moment were none other than the most outspoken radicals in the American Muslim community.

  

They included Muzammil Siddiqi of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and Nihad Awad of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Both organizations began with financing from terror apologists – ISNA from the official, ultrafundamentalist Wahhabi sect in Saudi Arabia and CAIR from Hamas. Both Siddiqi and Awad have long records of rhetorical aggression against the U.S. and, of course, Israel

 

Within a short time afterward, Hamza Yusuf Hanson, a West Coast figure known for his fiery denunciations of American society, had met with President Bush and began advertising himself as an adviser on Islam to the chief executive.  Moderate American Muslims asked themselves then whether the U.S. government, which Muslims thought had sufficient investigative resources to identify radicals, knew what it was doing when it dealt with Islam. 

 

In a recent incident that further dramatizes the ongoing problem, a foreign Muslim listened to a U.S. government appeal for dialogue with the radicals and asked me, “Why do they want us to talk with the extremists?   We want to defeat the extremists first!”

           

To many moderates, dialogue with long-standing Muslim radicals like Muzammil Siddiqi and CAIR merely strengthens the power that Islamist extremism has gained over the believers, through manipulation, financial incentives (mainly from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan), and intimidation. Thus, even after 9/11, the same radical individuals and organizations speak as Muslim representatives in the West, notwithstanding these leaders’ bad records.

 

Failure to recognize the extremists who dominate the American Muslim community for what they are has many dangerous consequences.   I have repeatedly written about the problem of radical Muslim clerics in the federal and state prison systems, yet little significant government action has yet been taken to abate the problem. And while Americans and other Westerners are right to protest that few American Muslims step forward to oppose the extremists, it is also true that Western governments have failed to identify and support the moderates who could provide an alternative voice for the Muslim community.

 

Western leaders seem paralyzed when dealing with the internal battle for the soul of Islam.

“Born again moderates” like Siddiqi, the people at CAIR, and Hamza Yusuf have merely changed their strategy, not their ideology. Five years after 9/11, CAIR promotes the lie that the Israel lobby controls American foreign policy. Hamza Yusuf calls for a “radical middle way” implying that “radical Islam” and “extreme Islam” are different – radical good, extreme bad.   The deception should be obvious, especially to the U.S. government.

 

Moderate Muslims see no difference between radicalism and extremism. Both lead to violence. Both prevent Islam from becoming a normal religious community. The learning curve for Westerners on Islam was bound to be long, but it should not be infinitely long – especially for government.

 

Yet the campaign to present Islamic extremists as moderates continues. In a recent and largely-ignored such incident, the government of Kuwait’s Ministry of Religious Endowments and Islamic Affairs sponsored a gathering in Washington over the weekend of November 18, grandly titled “the Second International Moderation Conference.” This event saw all the familiar faces: Siddiqi, Awad, New York CAIR veteran Ghazi Khankan – whose radical, and especially anti-Jewish rhetoric has been denounced by New York Republican congressman Peter King. The event also drew Jamal Barzinji of the International Institute for Islamic Thought (IIIT), which was raided by Treasury agents in 2002. 

 

Barzinji formerly represented the Saudi-based World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY) in the U.S. WAMY has been the topic of a global investigation for terror financing. In 2002, its U.S. representative, based in Annandale, Va., was Abdulah Bin Laden, brother of Osama. But in Washington in November, with Kuwaiti money, the assembled anointed themselves as “converts to moderation.”   The deceitful performance was briefly revealed when the Iraqi-American Shia Muslim cleric Hassan al-Qazwini stood up to ask how the Muslim leaders present would deal with Muslim-vs-Muslim terror in Arab and other Muslim-majority countries.

 

According to a participant who also had to request anonymity, the newly-minted “moderates” had no answer for an Iraqi Shia, even as blood flows in ever-widening streams in Iraq.

 

American Islam will not benefit by turning radicals into fake moderates. American officials and others of goodwill, even at this late date must take up the hard task of identifying and assisting moderate Muslims.  

 

In this regard, the war on terrorism abroad and the battle against extremism at home are identical.

 

FamilySecurityMatters.org Contributing Editor Stephen Schwartz is Executive Director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism.

 

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Emad Ebadi

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SALAM ALAIKUM

THE IRAQI COMMUNITY IN UK ARE CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM THIS SATURDAY. PLEASE SEE ATTACHED POSTER FOR FULL DETIALS.
 
YOU ARE ALL  INVITED TO JOIN IN AND CELEBRATE THIS GREAT EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
 
PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS.
 
FROM THE ORGANISING COMMITTEE
 
EMAD AL-EBADI (ABO NABIL)


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GMShah Syed

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So hanging of Sadam is the greatest event in the history of mankind. May be
U R right. Seems the event has sealed the fate of Iraq and the shia
community who feel happy to dance on American music.
Good luck

Dr Ghulam Mustafa Shah Syed MBBS, MSc, PhD, FCPS,CBNC.
Head Nuclear Medicine Section, department of Medical Imaging #1422
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>To: ShiaA...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [ShiaAffairs] Re: CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:55:13 +0000 (GMT)
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>SALAM ALAIKUM
>
>THE IRAQI COMMUNITY IN UK ARE CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM THIS
>SATURDAY. PLEASE SEE ATTACHED POSTER FOR FULL DETIALS.
>
> YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO JOIN IN AND CELEBRATE THIS GREAT EVENT IN THE
>HISTORY OF MANKIND.
>
> PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS.
>
> FROM THE ORGANISING COMMITTEE
>
> EMAD AL-EBADI (ABO NABIL)
>
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Adeel Sundhu

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Jan 10, 2007, 7:54:43 PM1/10/07
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Salaam,

can you please tell me the difference between shia's and sunni's i seriously
dont know and would like to know......

And i personally think
its not a very nice thing to do you know after all he was also a human being
and a muslim man...please dont get me wrong but if he has killed thousands
of people of iraq, than wot about U.K and USA governments??? Please stop
thinking like a shia, sunni or kurd think like a muslim... this is a time to
unite and sort out the differences between our brothers of Islam.....


Muslims should be like Flowers.. Flourishing in the garden of Islam.
Enjoying the rain of mercy, Praising Allah.. saying Alhamdulillah. ~


In this world there are lots of Muslims.. Muslims from different nations and
tribes.. from different backgrounds. . looking different from each other..
just like different flowers in a garden.. roses, sunflowers, jasmines and
many more beautiful fragrant flowers.. all look different from each other
but they all are beautiful subhanAllah.

We all are like flowers.. some are roses, some are sunflowers , some are
jasmines. We all are in the same garden.. That is the garden of Islam. We
are asked to enjoin the right and forbid the evil. We are commanded to love
each other for the sake of Allah.

We must try to strive hard to follow the Quran and the authentic sunnah of
prophet Mohammad pbuh. we must respect each others' views.
Even if we ever realize that a brother or a sister is somehow not following
Islam correctly, we should try to correct them with kindness and love. we
must not treat them harshly. we must not hurt anyone's feelings.

Help each other for the sake of Allah. Let the Eemaan be your strongest
weapon against shaytaan. Let sabr and taqwa adorn yourselves, like the dew
drops adorning flowers.

Brothers and Sisters~ We all are from Adam and Eve. None of us has the
superiority over the other except for piety (as told by our beloved Prophet
Mohammad pbuh). there is no room for racism.
Always remember Allah is watching us, wherever we are, whatever we are
doing. Prepare for the day we will be facing Allah swt and will be
questioned about our deeds.

Let's be like the flowers~~ spreading the fragrance of love, kindness and
peace everywhere.. inshaAllah.
ma'asalama

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shaid parvaz

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WALAYKUM ASSLAM MY DEAREST BROTHERS AND SISTA'S IN ISLAM...

YOU LOT ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE THE HANGING OF SADDAM THIS SATURDAY MASHA ALLAH. MY NON MUSLIM FRIEND JUST READ YOUR POSTER AND LAUGHED AND CALLED  US HYPOCRITES.

HOPE YOU ARE VERY MUCH PROUD OF THAT. CLEBRATING THE DEATH OF A DEAD PERSON

AINT GOING TO SAY MUCH HOPE YOU ALOT AV SOME INTELECT... EVEN THO I DON'T LIKE SADDAM ATLEAST THE MAN DIED SAYING THT ISLAM IS THE ONE TRUE RELIGION... TILL HE DIED HE WAS STILL PROMOTING ISLAM....

SAME HOW U LOT ARE GOING TO PROMOTE IT... AND I AINT GOING TO B SUPRISED IF YOU LOT HAVE A KICK OFF FROM HIS SUPPORTERS.

NEWAYS GOOD LUCK

MAY ALLAH GIVE U DEEN AND UNDERSTANDING INSHA ALLAH


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THE SADDEST FACT TO EMERGE FROM THE HANGING OF SADDAM IS THAT NOT ALL
MUSLIMS CELEBRATED THIS JOYOUS OCCASSION, BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT DANCING
IN THE STREETS TO CELEBRATE THE TYRANT SADDAMS HANGING, YOU ARE NOT TO BE
BLAMED, FOR YOU DID NOT SUFFER FOR YEARS UNDER HIS REGIME, NOR DID YOU HAVE
YOUR BROTHER TORTURED IN FRONT OF YOU, NOR YOUR MOTHER RAPED TO FRIGHTEN
YOU, NOR YOUR NEIGHBOUR CHOPPED UP TO SHAKEN YOU... BUT FOR THE REST OF
HUMANITY AND FOR THOSE SEEKING TRUE FREEDOM AND JUSTICE, ALIF MABROOK.
AMINA AL-RUBAIE

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the purpose of her existence who calls: "Say: Truly, my prayer and my
service of sacrifice, my life and my death, are all for Allah, the Cherisher
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Amina Baker

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Jan 11, 2007, 7:26:13 AM1/11/07
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DID YOU KNOW, OH MISINFORMED BROTHER OR SISTER, THAT THE TYRANT SCUM WAS
CURSING THE 'FURS' UNTIL HIS LAST BREATH, MEANING HE WAS CURSING NON-ARABS,
BECAUSE IN THE BAATH MIND IT IS GREAT TO BE AN ARAB AND THAT ARABS ARE A
SUPERIOR RACE (DOES THIS RMEIND YOU OF ANOTHER PHILOSOPHY - NAZI??), AND TO
CALL SADDAM A MUSLIM, IS A MOCKERY TO ISLAM AND THE BEAUTY OF ALLAH AND HIS
PROPHETS WHO NEVER DISTINGUISHED BETWEEN ARAB AND NON-ARAB, MUSLIM/XTIAN...
SO PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF RESPECTING THE MOTHERS WHO SONS AND FATHER WERE
TORTURED AND KILLED BY SADDAM FOR OPPOSING HIS VIEWS AND FOR THE SAKE OF THE
WOMEN AND GIRLS WHO WERE HAPHAZARDLY PICKED FROM THE STREETS TO FULFIL THE
TYRANT AND HIS HENCHMEN'S DIRTY DESIRES, I SAY TO YOU THINK OF THOSE WHO
SUFFERED. SADDAM HAS FOOLED THE MUSLIMS LONG ENOUGH WITH HIS ANTICS, HE IS
NOT A MUSLIM AND HAS NEVER BEEN ONE,
WASALAM
AMINA AL-RUBAIE

>From: "shaid parvaz" <shaidp...@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: ShiaA...@googlegroups.com
>To: ShiaA...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [ShiaAffairs] Re: CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:19:23 +0000
>
>
>
>
>
>WALAYKUM ASSLAM MY DEAREST BROTHERS AND SISTA'S IN ISLAM...
>
>YOU LOT ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE THE HANGING OF SADDAM THIS SATURDAY MASHA
>ALLAH. MY NON MUSLIM FRIEND JUST READ YOUR POSTER AND LAUGHED AND CALLED
>US HYPOCRITES.
>
>HOPE YOU ARE VERY MUCH PROUD OF THAT. CLEBRATING THE DEATH OF A DEAD PERSON
>
>AINT GOING TO SAY MUCH HOPE YOU ALOT AV SOME INTELECT... EVEN THO I DON'T
>LIKE SADDAM ATLEAST THE MAN DIED SAYING THT ISLAM IS THE ONE TRUE
>RELIGION... TILL HE DIED HE WAS STILL PROMOTING ISLAM....
>
>SAME HOW U LOT ARE GOING TO PROMOTE IT... AND I AINT GOING TO B SUPRISED IF
>YOU LOT HAVE A KICK OFF FROM HIS SUPPORTERS.
>
>NEWAYS GOOD LUCK
>
>MAY ALLAH GIVE U DEEN AND UNDERSTANDING INSHA ALLAH
>
>
>
>
>

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>To: ShiaA...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [ShiaAffairs] Re: CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM
>Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:55:13 +0000 (GMT)
>
>
>
>SALAM ALAIKUM
>
>THE IRAQI COMMUNITY IN UK ARE CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM THIS
>SATURDAY. PLEASE SEE ATTACHED POSTER FOR FULL DETIALS. YOU ARE ALL
>INVITED TO JOIN IN AND CELEBRATE THIS GREAT EVENT IN THE HISTORY OF
>MANKIND. PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS. FROM THE
>ORGANISING COMMITTEE EMAD AL-EBADI (ABO NABIL)
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Salaams to those on the right path and to those who seek it.

The death of Saddam Hussain is indeed a welcome event for some. I myself would have preferred if he were sentenced to a life in Prison, where he could reflect on the horror he brought to so many. In seeing him hang I think of all those mothers who have and still shed tears knowing how he Saddam Hussain brought about the end of their children in an unspeakable manner.

Even as Pharaoh uttered the declaration of submission at the time of his death, the response came 'only now when the reality has been made clear do you profess belief'

I express my regret that the moral compass of many are so out of tune with the ethics of Islam that they would claim Saddam Hussain has achieved some form of moral and spiritual excellence.

Those of his supporters who are going to 'KICK OFF' well the master has left his Sunnah is anything else to be expected!

May the victims of Saddam find peace both in this world and the next

Wsalaam


"And the Noor of the Imam shall shine bright from the land of Ifriqqiyah and all shall know what they have become".


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mehdi al-shahib

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Jan 11, 2007, 8:41:09 AM1/11/07
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Salamu alaykum everyone

Can i please just congratulate everybody on the death of this criminal
dictator. Another thing, ÍÔÑ
Çááå ãä ÇÍÈå ãÚå ( May Allah swt on the day of judgement put you alongside
the ones you love).

Maybe if you were iraqi's, you will feel why we celebrate the hanging of
this brutal dictator. He murdered the biggest scholars of Islam (syed
mohammed baqir al-sadr), he murdered scholars from different families
(khoei, hakim....etc). He massacred iraqis, he ruined iraq for 35 years, and
he never did anything good to Iraq. He did good to himself only, and the
good news is, he never asked for forgiveness before he died. He wore a suit
thinking he is still the president, and he didn't apologise for his
killings. Why would Allah (s.w) forgive him?????????/

To the 3 people that replied, i would be happy if you would search the
internet or read books atleast, and understand why this brutal dictator's
hanging was a new page, and a delightful day in the history of Iraq.

Thank you

With regards

Mehdi

p.s...for the one talking about flowers and gardens for an hour, what's that
got to do with saddam?????

>From: "shaid parvaz" <shaidp...@hotmail.com>
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>To: ShiaA...@googlegroups.com
>Subject: [ShiaAffairs] Re: CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:19:23 +0000
>
>
>
>
>
>WALAYKUM ASSLAM MY DEAREST BROTHERS AND SISTA'S IN ISLAM...
>
>YOU LOT ARE GOING TO CELEBRATE THE HANGING OF SADDAM THIS SATURDAY MASHA
>ALLAH. MY NON MUSLIM FRIEND JUST READ YOUR POSTER AND LAUGHED AND CALLED 
>US HYPOCRITES.
>
>HOPE YOU ARE VERY MUCH PROUD OF THAT. CLEBRATING THE DEATH OF A DEAD PERSON
>
>AINT GOING TO SAY MUCH HOPE YOU ALOT AV SOME INTELECT... EVEN THO I DON'T
>LIKE SADDAM ATLEAST THE MAN DIED SAYING THT ISLAM IS THE ONE TRUE
>RELIGION... TILL HE DIED HE WAS STILL PROMOTING ISLAM....
>
>SAME HOW U LOT ARE GOING TO PROMOTE IT... AND I AINT GOING TO B SUPRISED IF
>YOU LOT HAVE A KICK OFF FROM HIS SUPPORTERS.
>
>NEWAYS GOOD LUCK
>
>MAY ALLAH GIVE U DEEN AND UNDERSTANDING INSHA ALLAH
>
>
>
>
>

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>To:  ShiaA...@googlegroups.com
>Subject:  [ShiaAffairs] Re: CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM
>Date:  Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:55:13 +0000 (GMT)
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>
>
>SALAM ALAIKUM  
>
>THE IRAQI COMMUNITY IN UK ARE CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM THIS
>SATURDAY. PLEASE SEE ATTACHED POSTER FOR FULL DETIALS.  
>   
>YOU ARE ALL  INVITED TO JOIN IN AND CELEBRATE THIS GREAT EVENT IN THE
>HISTORY OF MANKIND.  
>   
>PLEASE FORWARD THIS EMAIL TO ALL YOUR CONTACTS.  
>   
>FROM THE ORGANISING COMMITTEE  
>   
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Reza Moosavi

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Jan 11, 2007, 8:21:55 AM1/11/07
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Asalaamu aleikom,

I am not sure who this email goes to but I also think it is wrong to "celebrate the hanging of Saddam". However, the brothers who replied must also recognise that Saddam was a cruel dictator who oppressed his people and his neighbours severly. In fact, the word "oppressed" doesn't do justice to some of the things he did. I know it is a cliche but he really was a 'tyrant' (just like Bush). However, on the other hand it seems that we should respect every humans death and his departure to the next life and leave it at that. My opinion is that we should celebrate the end of his rule but no need to celebrate his death. But then again, how can we celebrate the end of his rule when the current situation is even worse? But then again, I don't blame the Iraqis for this. They are desperate for any glimmer of hapiness but I think the organisers of this event should rethink its title and their intentions behind this event. Celebrating his death brings no benefits and will only cause more tensions between communities. I mean, if you knew this event would cause more problems between shia and sunni which leads to more conflict in Iraq would you still be doing this event?

I hope I didn't offend anyone with my simple opinion.

Best wishes,

Reza




 

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Subject: [ShiaAffairs] Re: CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:19:23 +0000

HUSSAIN HAMID

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Jan 11, 2007, 9:59:28 AM1/11/07
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salam alaikom,

First and foremost congratulations to the whole of humanity on the death of saddam, congratulations to the whole Iraqi nation, and congratulations to the whole Muslim world.

Firstly to celebrate is part of islam, whether it is Ramadhan, Hajj, Ghadeer and even according to shariah law Friday is a day of celebration.

We don't celebrate someone's death in the absolute form, we celebrate his removal from this earth, we celebrate that Allah (swt) from his mercy will judge saddam.

We know saddam was 1) Kaffir 2) in hellfire. There is no argument about this, as Allah states in the quran " whoever kills an innocent soul then he enters hellfire" another verse " if you kill one human it is like you have killed the whole of humanity.(references available upon request)

Those who want to be hypocrites, and say Saddam hanging is wrong, or he deserves life sentence or any of that nonsense, really need to respect Iraqis, and especially the Iraqi Court of law. Secondly they need to stop being apoligetic people and get to the reality by speaking the truth without compromise.(read the sayings of Imam Ali (AS))

I challenge anyone using Quranic & authenticated hadith to prove saddam deserved anything less than to be removed from this earth instantly!

I must stress this, and i will always stress that unless we goto the root of the problem, til then we wont solve the shia-sunni issue. Roots of the problem were the founders of Saqifiah.

Allahome sali 3ala mohammed wa aali mohammed wa 3ajjil faraj mohammed wa aali mohammed wa il3an a3daa2 mohammed wa aali mohammed min 3alam al thar ila abad al abideen

ws wr wb

Hussain

 


 




 

From: "Reza Moosavi" <reza_m...@hotmail.co.uk>

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Subject: [ShiaAffairs] Re: CELEBRATING THE HANGING OF SADDAM
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:21:55 +0000
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