Re: Retire Pay @55 Re: UPDATE FYI

[SgtM...@aol.com]

I agree 110%, this is discrimination against members that served in the reserves or National Guard before 2001.  Joe Wilson is not a supporter of the bill, he is against supporting NG and reserves that served before 2001.

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[SgtM...@aol.com]

Your bill for reservist collecting retirement pay at 55 vs 60 is for those who served after 9/11/2001.  What about the reservist that were on active duty in 1969 during the Viet Nam War and then joined the reserves?  Why is this war more important then that war?  What ever happened to you bill the “Reservist can collect their retirement at age 55 vs 60?  You seem to be giving in to the recent war and my 4 years of active duty didn’t count, because it was before 2001.  How much more are you going to discriminate against older veterans?  Do you really support veterans or just recent veterans.  Here you are giving billions of dollars to private banks and companies, but you can’t stick into this bailout a 7 million dollar deal for the retired veterans.

[SgtM...@aol.com]

I faxed that to joe wilson

[SgtM...@aol.com]

Great, and thanks

[SgtM...@aol.com]

Tom

 

Sounds like you are bailing out this congress and the POTUS.  I did 30 years of total service and 4.5 on active duty and retired as an E-9 not an E-7.  Now Congressman Wilson is discounting my service for the service of those who served after 9/11.  That is like saying that my service didn't really count for anything.  Now the US Congress is bailing out Wall Street, the big banks and big businesses to the tune of trillions of dollars, but can't afford 700 Million for retired reservist.  Are you joking with those comments?  We can bail out the millionaires, but the little guys who served there country don't matter. 

Bill

USMCR(retired) 

[mark lueth]

I did twenty-three years total 10.25 active. I had split service so I served during vietnam, desert storm and I did 3.5 years after 9/11. I am now 56 years old. 70 per cent disabled due largely to that fact my knees are shoot.  I do not expect to get anything for retirement until I am 60. Is it fair?

 

Mark

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Subject: Retire Pay @55 Re: UPDATE FYI

[tpo...@aol.com]

Another thought.

A Reserve/Guard congressional caucus was formed some years ago by those holding Reserve/Guard officer positions. Would be interesting to know of whom that causcus is made up of today. Perhaps someone can obtain the current listing?

I believe I read a year ago that aside from Congressman Wilsons' officer status...he has 2 boys also in uniform service, 1 that was ROTC grad and due to serve in either Afghanistan or Irag. Not sure, but I think he had another in the Corp. Surely, if asked, the congressman could supply the list of those of his colleagues in the caucuss...and I have no reservations about writing Senator Kerry for his views and asking for the caucus list!

Cheers,
Tom

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[tpo...@aol.com]

Bill, John, and Eric:

First...Bill, I went back to reread my message which was aimed at simply informing the forum about
how the well presented compensation modell might be better explained/understood and NOT to side with an anti-Reserve/National Guard congress as you seem to have misconstrued.  Email is a wieldy media and affords lots of misinterpretation:-)

I have been a passive observer on this issue the last few years and have a few ideas.

1. This forum might consider voicing support of certain strategies:

Non-endorsement of enlisting in Reserve/National Guard Component (many potential enlistees look to us as guiding their choice GO/NO Go into the services and the Service Recruiting branches are under stress) until Congress acknowledges the change in the new paradigm under which the Reserve/Guard component is employed. Get such a movement noted by the Washington Post which is read by most there in D.C./Pentagon

National/local media (eg. radio-do we have any unknown syndicators among us???), Writing the Army/Air Force/Navy/Marine Corp Times publications with concerns about justice and desire to enlist support of Active Component attack on most populated states to enlist public support,

And finally, maybe a show of force in Washington D.C. by say 5,000 or 10,000 or much more.. reserve/guard vets of all eras, Vietnam especially (Perhaps East Coast VFW/Legionnaire reservists/guard members) . And let us not forget to employ the Legionnaires/VFW an experienced lobbying voice!!!

2. A plan of attack:

Database pool

Reservists/National Guard members with backgrounds in project management, public relations, political science, lobbyist experience, industrial compensation, and especially finding a sympathetic (Retired) state Adjutant General who is willing to coach/mentor the team as how to negotiate the political gauntlett that is very real. Maybe a team of 12 volunteers with the above mix to take on the Quadrennial Review data so often cited by the congressional opponents.


Finally, all of you should be aware that before Rumsfeld vacated his office--there was some real chatter in the Pentagon about reconstituting the Reserve/Guard Component in terms  of  reducing their SCOPE of  future relevance to usage and consequently, taking the wind out of the reserve arguments by being able to say that the scenario for future employment was being adjusted downward...because of their disgruntlement with keeping (Get this) senior leadership on-board with non-popular conflicts. This is most probabaly why they have been skewing the new active duty retirement schemes along a more industrial-like model giving only retirement for MORE years served.


By the way, my grandfather who is long deceased joined the army at 16 years/WWI and served 30 years,
My father, an Air Force E9, retired after 26 years, an uncle with service as a single tour as a Marine,
and a cousin who served some 6 or 7 years as a Special Fortune Non-com during the busy 80s.

As for myself, I  was simply a pencil pusher admin type for my 20 years in Germany--5 years active duty and 15 army reserve, culminating with retirement as E7 in 2003. Moved troops for 9 months through Rhein Main to their assignments in Hungary/Bosnia during Operation Joint Endeavour. I salute the service of all those who saw much more than a desk over the years:-)

Cheers,
Tom

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[Downs, Glenn D WG10 USAF AMC 19 CES/CEOIU]

I guess we need to ALL write /call our congressmen right now so we can
get a piece of the pie (Bail out money)before it's all gone.It really
pisses me of every time I here where our taxes or going and not to us
VETS that are "55" we deserve this money. G downs M/sgt res.ret.

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[SgtM...@aol.com]

I FAXed both of my senator and my congressman, got no response.

Bill D

SgtMaj USMCR(ret)

[Dennis and Brenda Bright]

Nobody cares about us, we did our time and it  didn't count for  squat. Better to let some CEO gives billions in bonus to incompetent leadership. I don't recall ever getting a bonus when I screwed up, should have gone into business I guess. I don't think any of us went into the military for the money, but it would be nice to be remembered for our service.

 

Dennis Bright Maj. USA (ret)

 

 

[RP]

You would think they would have stuck it to this bill that just pass the house, They don't care for you or any of us that servied, They just use us, then when you become to old they kick you out. --- On Wed, 1/28/09, SgtM...@aol.com <SgtM...@aol.com> wrote:

From: SgtM...@aol.com <SgtM...@aol.com> Subject: Retire Pay @55 Re: UPDATE FYI

[SgtM...@aol.com]

I am begging all you guys to call your senators and demand the 60 to 55 amendment.  These pols are giving billions to people that served on Wall Street, but we are just the suckers that supported this democracy.  This is a disgrace and we should not put up with this.

[Clay Jackson]

They don't care