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Dear Mr.Kaswar,
Buddhist, Hindus, Christians, Jews, Parsis, Sikhs and others do not claim to be a sect of Islam, and they do not claim to be following Quran and Prophet Mohammed Peace be upon him. they do not claim that their ideology is based on Islam. So therefore they are totally separate entity. People of other religions lived as minority among Muslims in the past and also had their own states just like they have today too.This is not an issue.And i am not propagating to kill them or force them to become Muslims, it's their free choice.
Hazrat Mohammed SAWW is the last messenger of Allah, this is one the most important and basic belief of all Muslims . There will be NO messenger of Allah S.W.T after him. Anyone claiming to be a Messnger of Allah after Hazrat Mohammed SAWW is indeed an imposter.Calling a fake and false messenger an Imposter or Dajjal is according to Islam as it is mentioned in Hadith and this is not extremism .
Mirza ghulam Ahmed claimed to be a messenger of Allah , is this is true or not?? And ofcourse this is true that’s why they were declared Non Muslims.Thats the reason they are not allowed to perform Hajj with Muslims . The difference between them and other Non Muslims is that they represent themselves as Muslims and at the same time attack the status of Prophet hood by believing on a false Prophet.
Giving the leaders of such a community, Newspaper coverage in a major Newspaper in an Islamic Republic , will surely confuse the Muslims in future about their Status , if such practice becomes more Frequent.
In my humble opinion , Qadyanies should be preached about the right belief by Muslims, their religious leaders should not be given coverage as it may harm the right belief of common Muslims in the future after soft corner for their leaders is created.
There is nothing about killing someone, I don’t know why such thoughts were assumed.
Anyways, I have shared my thoughts.
jazakAllah
Ali Sajjad ShahReporter
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Agreed with Adeel. and if u read Mirza's book Haqeeqat-e-wahi, on page 31 ( most probably, or on some other page ) he writes " (Nauzbillah) (Prophet) Mohammad ( be peace upon Him) failed to accomplish his mission, and ( that 's why) I have been assigned the task to accomplish his mission". Now, if still someone considers them one of the sects of Islam, then Allah reham Farmay. a --- On Thu, 9/13/12, adeel arif <aza...@hotmail.com> wrote: |
Recently, the Balochistan government has registered cases against many newspapers for publishing statements of banned organizations taking plea that they are creating unrest and stimulation among the masses. If Qadyanis statements be allowed on the basis of freedom of speech, then how would u stop publishing the statements of sectarian killers, and terrorists? Should Jang publish the statement of one particular sectarian leader inciting his followers to kill other sect's followers? Of course not. Similarly, the Qadyanis statements too can stimulate a large section of society because in their congregations, Qadiyani scholars not only convince their own people as to why they consider Mirza a prophet (Nauzbillah), and propel their followers to woo other Muslims ( whom they dub kafirs) too. Their congregations are meant for creating hatred and
disturbance in Muslim society. Therefore in the better interest of peace and harmony, Jang and other newspapers should avoid this practice. Again, we have no objection whatsoever vis-a-vis Qadyanis' fundamental human and civic rights. but of course they cannot be allowed to violate the constitution of Pakistan by declaring themselves Muslims. a |
It is most unfortunate that we have become such a society/nation that we can't even accept a news item about some community?? where are we going?? MAY ALMIGHTY ALLAH FORGIVE US Muhammad Shahbaz Thuthaal EME CHS Multan road,lahore. 0301-3667777 --- On Thu, 9/13/12, Ali Sajjad Shah <feebl...@yahoo.com> wrote: |
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Dear Zafar sh, It is shocking for you to know that Mr. Mir Shakeel's second wife is the grand daughter of Qadyanies founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyany. So, the jang publishes news in favour or published in favour or making media immage is not estonishing. It's a JanG group moto to make up the Qadyanies face as a humatarian lover, but Qadyanies cann't become a humatarian. --- Syed Iqbal Mustafa Senior Reporter The Daily Mail Islamabad. ---- +92 0333 565 0 565 mustaf...@yahoo.com khb...@gmail.com |
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Dear Members,I am refering some of major difference between muslims and Qadinais if someone think that we should give them space of comfort so they can move freely kindly review these and comment.1.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) is based on the belief that Mirza was an improved second reincarnation of hazrat Muhammad(SAW).
2.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) rejects the concept of absolute Finality of Prophethood in hazrat Muhammad(SAW), as confirmed in Quran, Hadith, Sunnah of the Holy Prophet(SAW), Tradition of Companions, the writings of Muslim Scholars and personalities, and concensus of the entire Ummah for almost 1500 years.
3.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) maintains that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was a Prophet (nabi and rasul) of God.
4.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) rejects the concept of completion of the revelations of Allah(SWT) in the Holy Quran.
5.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) holds that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani's revelations (Books) were on the same level as all prior revelations (Quran, Bible, Torah). In their view, simply following Quran and Sunnah, as Muslims have done since the beginning of Islam, is not a basis for living a righteous life and gaining the pleasure of the Creator. Interestingly, the Qadiani leadership has refused to allow a translation of these books, so that everyone may become familiar with the irrational teachings and contradictory claims of the founder of their organization.
6.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) rejects authentic Hadith based on Mirza's alleged revelations and teaches his personal interpretation of the Holy Quran. Qadiani (Ahmadiyya) leadership has forged several unauthentic translations of the Holy Quran to try to confuse and mislead uninformed individuals.
7.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that Jesus(pbuh) had been crucified, but did not die from his injuries. Instead, it advocates the view that Jesus(pbuh) recovered from his injuries, escaped to Kashmir (India), where he lived for another 86 years, and is buried there.
8.Whereas Jesus(pbuh) is acknowledged as a great prophet of Allah in Islam, Mirza Ghulam took the liberty of making demeaning and vulgar remarks against him and his honored mother, rejected his miracles, belittled his mission and denied his return before the Day of Judgment. It is such unbecoming teachings that have resulted in hateful retributions by extremist Christians evangelical groups against Muslims, Prophet Muhammad(SAW), and Islam.
9.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) maintains that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was "the promised Messiah". The Qadianis (Ahmadis) reject the advent of Jesus Christ(pbuh), son of Mary, as the Messiah, just before the Day of Judgment.
10.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was also the promised Mahdi (guided one).
11.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was also the expected Hindu lord, Krishna.
12.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) intollerantly declares the entire manking, except for those who naively accept the irrational notions and contradictory claims of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, to be unbelievers and bound for hell. Qadiani leadership has announced all Muslims to be unbelievers and has forbidden its followers from wedding their daughters to Muslims, praying behind Muslims, and offering prayer on their deceased - be it a child or an adult.
13.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) teaches that struggle for freedom, independence and self-determination against the tyranny, extremism and oppression (Jihad) of those military powers that support Qadianism has been made Haraam.
14.At its birth, being a protoge of the oppressive British Empire of the time, Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) required complete devotion and obedience to the British Government, as an article of faith. While freedom loving people around the globe were rising up against the British subjugation, Qadianis were being required to be willing to sacrifice their wealth, talent, and soul in the cause of the Crown. Britain is presently the headquarter of the Qadiani Movement.
15.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) holds two cities in India (Qadian) and Pakistan (Rabwah) as holy as Mekkah and Madinah. Qadianis (Ahmadiyya) are supposed to perform Hajj by attending their annual congregation, instead of visiting Mekkah.
16.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) maintains that Mirza Ghulam Qadiani was superior to all the Prophets(pbut) of Allah(SWT).
17.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) refers to the companions of Mirza Ghulam Qadiani as Sahaba and his wives as Mother of the Believers (Ummahatul Muminin).
18.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) advances the notion that many verses of the Holy Quran were revealed to Mirza Ghulam Qadiani and that many of the praises of Prophet Muhammad(SAW), mentioned in Quran, were really intended for Mirza Ghulam Qadiani.
19.Qadianism (Ahmadiyyat) claims Mirza's Mosque at Qadian (India) to be Masjid-ul-Aqsa.
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:07:32 AM UTC-7, noorani.news wrote:
Am no journalist nor a politician nor do I belong to any media group. I speak only in the capacity of a normal human being, with no nationality and no caste attached to myself. For I will be judged for my deeds and not for which country I belonged to, or which caste I was or even for my religion. For I know better human beings out there in this world who may not be Muslims, (if that is any criteria or a guarantee to be rewarded on the day of judgment). Hence, for all of you making remarks on a piece of news, I only speak up because I would like to ask you all out there.....what makes a good Muslim? Is it important to be a good human being first or is it important to be a Muslim first? in my opinion, and I repeat this is my personal opinion and you all have the right to disagree or agree, not that am seeking any heads shaking in positive, that it doesn't matter who we are what matters is what we are! and from all that I have been taught all my life is to be a good human being...to love others and to practice peace not hatred regardless of who it is! so why pick fingers at a mere piece of news! that's what newspapers are meant to do right! they are only doing their job....so for heaven sake, open up your minds and heart and accept people for who they are and not for who you would lille then to be! I can name dozen so called pious Muslim leaders in todays society, who are worst than kafirs! its not only about being a Muslim....but above all being a good human being! So stop pointing fingers at others! And take the piece of news in its stride!
peace!
Love for all....hatred for none! :-)
All religious minorities are contributing to the socio-econmic development of Pakistan. They are law abiding citizens and very good tax payers. I see nothing wrong if ahmadis, hindus, dalits, bhahis sikhs and any other religious minority i getting coverage . FOR GOD SAKE stop this. we are already suffering from religious extremism and fundamentalism. global community knows us as a nursery of TALIBANS to disturb the global peace- people call us a failed state. at this point of time we shall maintain inter-faith harmony and religious values of each-other. LET HUMANITY PREVAIL FIRST
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I also have severe reservations over such news item and picture published by Jang because such things work as a catalyst in fueling extremism in the already intolerant and religiously sensitized society but I will like to bring on record, the special Khatam-e-Nabowat Edition carried by Jang on September 7, 2012 and an article by Abdul Rehman Bawa titled “Qadianis as non-Muslim minority” in the The News on the same day. Following are the links of articles published in the special edition of Jang and The News:
http://e.jang.com.pk/09-07-2012/pindi/pic.asp?picname=08_01.jpg
http://e.jang.com.pk/09-07-2012/pindi/pic.asp?picname=08_02.jpg
http://e.jang.com.pk/09-07-2012/pindi/pic.asp?picname=08_04.jpg
http://e.jang.com.pk/09-07-2012/pindi/pic.asp?picname=08_03.jpg
Article by Abdul Rehman Bawa in The News:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-130536-Qadianis-as-non-Muslim-minority
Regards,
Usman Manzoor
The News, Islamabad.
ANSAR ABBASSI SB Don't get so annoyed;This mail of yours is not in conformity with what you say openly on the TV? which version should we believe? we must agree to disagree regards |
Muhammad Shahbaz Thuthaal EME CHS Multan road,lahore. 0301-3667777 |
--- On Fri, 9/14/12, ansar....@gmail.com <ansar....@gmail.com> wrote: |
be tolerant of others beliefs
any good human being is worth respect and peace-irrespective of his belief
if u beleive you are good muslim- stop preaching violence and hate
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--In Today's Jang News Paper , there is a News report and an Image of Qadyanies leaders , My Questions are , Why is Jang News paper publishing news and giving coverage to Qadyanies congregation in London? Why are they creating soft image of them and their leaders? Why isn't there any effective protest against such news ?? READ THE NEWS IN TODAY"S JANGPlease keep in mind that Qadyanies are different from other Non Believers, because they claim to be the right Muslims and regard MIrza Ghulam Ahmed as a Nabi and whosoever doesnt believe on Mirza they believe them to be Kafir, hence the whole Muslim Ummah.Such groups emerged at the time of Prophet Hazrat Mohammed SAWW and his companions too, when a man Muselma Kazzab claimed to be a Prophet. They were dealt with great force and were eliminated in the famous war of Yamama at the time when Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique R.A was Ameer ul Momineen.SO WHY IN THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN SUCH GROUP LEADERS AND THEIR CONGREGATION REPORTS ARE PUBLISHED in the argest published Newspaper????
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be tolerant of others beliefs
any good human being is worth respect and peace-irrespective of his belief
if u beleive you are good muslim- stop preaching violence and hate
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Adeel,
Maintaining a separate religious identity is a right of every human, whether it is Judaism, Islam, Christianity and yes even Qadyanism. A newspaper caters to all segments of the society and doesn't operate on one prime religious agenda. If Qadyanis exist around us, we cant pretend as if they don't. And if a newspaper doesn't cover a news item related to them, then its biased. Do you think journalism should be biased?
You have all the right to stick to the religious ideology you believe in, but please let others have theirs. And let media do their job of unbiased journalism and encompassing all segments of society. Why condemn them? Let's not promote extremism in society please!
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:02:38 AM UTC-7, adeel arif wrote:Dear Mr.Kaswar,
Buddhist, Hindus, Christians, Jews, Parsis, Sikhs and others do not claim to be a sect of Islam, and they do not claim to be following Quran and Prophet Mohammed Peace be upon him. they do not claim that their ideology is based on Islam. So therefore they are totally separate entity. People of other religions lived as minority among Muslims in the past and also had their own states just like they have today too.This is not an issue.And i am not propagating to kill them or force them to become Muslims, it's their free choice.
Hazrat Mohammed SAWW is the last messenger of Allah, this is one the most important and basic belief of all Muslims . There will be NO messenger of Allah S.W.T after him. Anyone claiming to be a Messnger of Allah after Hazrat Mohammed SAWW is indeed an imposter.Calling a fake and false messenger an Imposter or Dajjal is according to Islam as it is mentioned in Hadith and this is not extremism .
Mirza ghulam Ahmed claimed to be a messenger of Allah , is this is true or not?? And ofcourse this is true that’s why they were declared Non Muslims.Thats the reason they are not allowed to perform Hajj with Muslims . The difference between them and other Non Muslims is that they represent themselves as Muslims and at the same time attack the status of Prophet hood by believing on a false Prophet.
Giving the leaders of such a community, Newspaper coverage in a major Newspaper in an Islamic Republic , will surely confuse the Muslims in future about their Status , if such practice becomes more Frequent.
In my humble opinion , Qadyanies should be preached about the right belief by Muslims, their religious leaders should not be given coverage as it may harm the right belief of common Muslims in the future after soft corner for their leaders is created.
There is nothing about killing someone, I don’t know why such thoughts were assumed.
Anyways, I have shared my thoughts.
jazakAllah
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 15:41:45 +0500
Subject: Re: Why giving Publicity to Qadyanies through Jang Newspaper??
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Excuse me? A newspaper doesnt represent a certain section of society but the entire country OK. And you dont decide who should be getting media attention and who shouldnt. Such extremist and ill-informed people like you are the root cause behind the menace of terrorism that Pakistan has to currently deal with. People like you incite hatred and disturb the peace of a society. If you claim to know so much about the Prophet (PBUH) and Islam, plz tell me when did the Prophet (PBUH) or where in Quran is violence mentioned? Pray tell me! No religion, faith, sect promotes violence. But so-called Islamists like you not only threaten the main essence of religion, which is peace and tolerance, but have also distorted Islam completely and now to the whole world every Muslim is a terrorist. All thanks to such able and knowledgeable minds like you. You should be ashamed of saying such things publicly. This is 21st century. The time of ignorance is long gone and all this world needs right now is peace and nothing else. But i guess people like you wont let that happen. If you're a true believer of Islam, then kindly first practice Islam and the Prophet's teachings yourself and then you'll know what they stand for.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 3:08 PM, <emmad....@dawnnews.tv> wrote:
The nation is literally burning and you are only adding fuel to the fire with sheer nonsense. Will we emerge out from the filth that surrounds us and start behaving like humans for a change?
Em mad
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Subject: Why giving Publicity to Qadyanies through Jang Newspaper??
In Today's Jang News Paper , there is a News report and an Image of Qadyanies leaders , My Questions are , Why is Jang News paper publishing news and giving coverage to Qadyanies congregation in London? Why are they creating soft image of them and their leaders? Why isn't there any effective protest against such news ?? READ THE NEWS IN TODAY"S JANGPlease keep in mind that Qadyanies are different from other Non Believers, because they claim to be the right Muslims and regard MIrza Ghulam Ahmed as a Nabi and whosoever doesnt believe on Mirza they believe them to be Kafir, hence the whole Muslim Ummah.Such groups emerged at the time of Prophet Hazrat Mohammed SAWW and his companions too, when a man Muselma Kazzab claimed to be a Prophet. They were dealt with great force and were eliminated in the famous war of Yamama at the time when Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique R.A was Ameer ul Momineen.SO WHY IN THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN SUCH GROUP LEADERS AND THEIR CONGREGATION REPORTS ARE PUBLISHED in the argest published Newspaper????
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there are NO ENEMIES-if u are good - others will be good-if u have enemies -it is because u are not good- be good and there will be no enemies
islam is teaching us not to spread hatered -not to spread violence- not to spread lies.
let God judge peoples beliefs- whose belief is right and whose belief is wrong-God alone will decide- humans have no right to intervene on the beliefs of others- islam has taught us to be tolerant of every other belief
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