report approval

[Raghu Saboo]

Ajay,

There are lots of reports waiting approval. I just approved 2 "pages" & then seeing a lot more July ones realized that I should check with you.

Ok to approve all ? If there are any bad ones in the lot I approved, I'd roll them back.

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[Ajay Kumar]

On 8 August 2011 00:02, Raghu Saboo <raghvend...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ajay,

There are lots of reports waiting approval. I just approved 2 "pages" & then seeing a lot more July ones realized that I should check with you.

Ok to approve all ? If there are any bad ones in the lot I approved, I'd roll them back.

Hi,

Thanks for taking this up. I have known all this long about the pending reports. Since the momentum has fizzled down after the first few days. I figured to let things take its own course and observe. 

And obviously its not possible for this to run just by one person. So I was working on a plan document, and its half ready.

Talking about the reportS: we follow a format, before approving reports and edit the text of reports to be consistent.

For e.g. http://powercuts.in/admin/reports/edit/769

I disapproved the reports you published, since some were junk and none were consistent and needed some editing. 

Here is the document that we all were following: http://wiki.ictd.asia/PowerCutsIN_Moderators_Guide

Also while this goes on, I am trying to focus on getting the "Reports" thing up and rolling along with the standard tweet format - so that it can help make use of @adsahay's code.

Some shortlist: http://wiki.ictd.asia/PowerCutsIN_Data_Reports_and_Analysis

More soon!

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Best Regards,

Ajay Kumar

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[Raghu Saboo]

Ajay,

I am making corrections in Android app to send the report title in the desired format.

Meanwhile, we should approve all the reports. We can always modify/delete the reports to desired format later on.

The users of powercut should see all the reports that are there. That would encourage more people to report.

On reports verification, doing it weekly once should be fine. I can do that in the 1st week of a month. Other volunteers can pick from week 2,3 & 4. What say ?

Cheers.

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[Raghu Saboo]

Aditya / Ajay,

The title should have timezone.

http://wiki.ictd.asia/PowerCutsIN_Moderators_Guide

Title = Unplanned - 09:00 AM to 11:00 PM IST - 21-05-2011 - New Mahalaxmi, Mumbai

Is any locale info there for tweets/web reports ?

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[Ajay Kumar]

On 08-08-2011 09:50, Raghu Saboo wrote:

Aditya / Ajay,

The title should have timezone.

http://wiki.ictd.asia/PowerCutsIN_Moderators_Guide

Title = Unplanned - 09:00 AM to 11:00 PM IST - 21-05-2011 - New Mahalaxmi, Mumbai

Is any locale info there for tweets/web reports ?

PowerCutsIN - is an India specific site/project. Its assumed we are following IST..

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[Raghu Saboo]

You'll reject reports that come from other countries ?

Advertise as you want, but if people from other countries want to use it whats the harm ?

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[Ajay Kumar]

On 8 August 2011 09:53, Raghu Saboo <raghvend...@gmail.com> wrote:

You'll reject reports that come from other countries ?

 

Advertise as you want, but if people from other countries want to use it whats the harm ?

The objective/mission of the site is to highlight the power cut issue in India. So I dont understand why we should shift focus, when there is a bigger problem to solve at home.

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[Raghu Saboo]

Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE4eSaZSK3I :-)

The infrastructure for data collection is already there. The further effort is in data analysis. 

So, the team here would work on analysis. We don't have to put effort to collect the data.

There is no focus shift involved. Including the timezone in title format isn't a commitment to do anything anyway! Just reduces the effort - in case - in future..

Ajay Kumar

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[Raghu Saboo]

Coke Studio link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBM59gjEiNc !

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[Aditya Sahay]

I have assumed IST.

The essence of the problem is this - reporting a power cut needs to be near-zero effort. If there's too much involved (like remembering a long format, adding IST every time, too many clicks or taps), I bet the number of reports are going to drop down.

Let's focus on getting more people here use the tool for reporting. If that means making assumptions that reduce typing/remembering stuff, I'm all for it.

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[Raghu Saboo]

Aditya,

I was assuming report title would be re-generated by your code. Thought so since most titles are bad & see what Ajay mentioned in first message.

If programatically re-generated, I'd insist to add timeZone.

If this has to be typed by the user - No Way.

[Ajay Kumar]

On 8 August 2011 10:19, Aditya Sahay <aditya...@gmail.com> wrote:

The essence of the problem is this - reporting a power cut needs to be near-zero effort. If there's too much involved (like remembering a long format, adding IST every time, too many clicks or taps), I bet the number of reports are going to drop down.

Let's focus on getting more people here use the tool for reporting. If that means making assumptions that reduce typing/remembering stuff, I'm all for it.

The idea of standardising reports/titles is to be done by us/system/moderators.

Users just report using the hashtag so far. It has been that simple, so far. 

Now in order to make @adsahay's code help "Moderators" in auto approving reports,

we are going to make some Twitter format enforcements.

So there would be two things:

1) people will report the old way - by just using the tag and not following any particular format - and the group of moderators publish them after editing the report in proper format as per our agreed guideline.

and two,

2) if people start reporting using the enforced format, adsahay's code can pick it up convert it as per our format and generate/publish reports.

Formats: Ref: http://groups.google.com/group/PowerCutsIN/browse_thread/thread/ad8274987c1e10ab

[Manish Malik]

Side Note: A "Top Contributors" page on the website with people's names along with two columns "Proper Format Reports" and "Unorganized Reports" (counts) may enthuse a certain section of report contributors / users to report in a manner that helps moderators.

Incentivising users may lead to less requirement for manual moderation effort.

Best,
Manish

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[Raghu Saboo]

Back to the international reports & timezone point

1. http://wiki.ictd.asia/PowerCutsIN_Moderators_Guide#The_.22Title.22_field makes perfect sense.

2. We should programatically regenerate the report title to one consistent format

3. If we are not going to reject non India reports (& we should not)

3.1 We should programatically add the timeZone to the title.

3.2 Any parsing code we make (Aditya's for eg.) should be aware of timezone.

Ushahidi strangely, instead of taking the millisec value of date-time is taking these incident_date, incident_hour, incident_minute, incident_ampm.

Wrt, enforcing tweet format & analysis, I like the plan & had given my idea here https://groups.google.com/group/PowerCutsIN/msg/7f30a3795ba7ea89?hl=en

 

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[Raghu Saboo]

+1

"Trusted reporters" &  "Top Contributors" page.

Ideally these folks should be reporting using mobile apps or saved SMS or website, but not twitter.

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[Ajay Kumar]

On 8 August 2011 10:52, Raghu Saboo <raghvend...@gmail.com> wrote:

Back to the international reports & timezone point

1. http://wiki.ictd.asia/PowerCutsIN_Moderators_Guide#The_.22Title.22_field makes perfect sense.

2. We should programatically regenerate the report title to one consistent format

3. If we are not going to reject non India reports (& we should not)

 

Non India - rejecting, yes. We are only working on India.

 

3.1 We should programatically add the timeZone to the title.

3.2 Any parsing code we make (Aditya's for eg.) should be aware of timezone.

The Ushahidi App is Locale/TZ aware. It currently is set to Asia/Kolkata.

However, in the DB its recorded AS IS, as per IST. 

Here is a incident's time:  2011-05-04 15:42:00 in the DB. and the report for this incident's time is the same format.

 

Ushahidi strangely, instead of taking the millisec value of date-time is taking these incident_date, incident_hour, incident_minute, incident_ampm.

Wrt, enforcing tweet format & analysis, I like the plan & had given my idea here https://groups.google.com/group/PowerCutsIN/msg/7f30a3795ba7ea89?hl=en

I also like the idea of tweeting back to the reports who dont do it in proper format.

I will update the report and twitter format document on the wiki based on our discussion and freeze that for now. So that we can start promoting the new format on twitter and adsahay's code can start working.

[Ajay Kumar]

On 8 August 2011 11:05, Ajay Kumar <ajuo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I will update the report and twitter format document on the wiki based on our discussion and freeze that for now. So that we can start promoting the new format on twitter and adsahay's code can start working.

Aditya,

Please take a look at this: http://wiki.ictd.asia/Crowdsourcing_Power_Cuts_in_India#Twitter

and confirm if all is OK. Based on our discussion here, I updated the format. 

If we agree to that, we can then freeze on this and start promoting this to users.

[Aditya Sahay]

Looks good! Let's freeze it.

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[Raghu Saboo]

Looks good. A minor point: #comments should be the last hashtag. That would ensure the 140 char limit doesn't make people to eat up the #loc & write crisp comments.

Don't think anyone will read instructions. Most will directly see the example tweets.

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