(Daniel) Patrick Macnee 1922-2015

[Michael Rhodes]

_. (Daniel) Patrick Macnee, who died 25 June, 2015, aged 93, was an English-American actor ~ star of the 1960s TV series The Avengers ~ and descened from the Earls of Huntingdon (Earl, Peerage of England, cr 1529).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11699769/Patrick-Macnee-actor-obituary.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Macnee

He was born 6 Feb, 1922, a son of Daniel Macnee by his wife the former Dorothea Mary Hastings.............

[Michael Rhodes]

Having checked the BMDs for 1922 I can see no Daniel Patrick Macnee born in London in 1922.

Moreover, the frequent references to his mother _Dorothea Hastings_ being a niece of the 13th Earl of Huntingdon have thrown me into confusion. The 13th earl had no brothers, and so a niece could not have been a Hastings. The 13th Earl had a sister Lady Dorothea YEOMAN, who dsp. Another sister was Lady Selina ODELL, who died in 1875. A third sister was Lady Louisa MAXWELL, who died in 1873.

I will; make further investigations today.

[Michael Rhodes]

The Times obit says "his mother Dorothea, who had aristocratic connections, was 22 years younger than her husband and left him when Patrick was eight for her lesbian lover, Evelyn Spottswood, an heir to the Dewar's whisky family".

[Richard R]

Here's the descent:

12th Earl of HUNTINGDON (1779-1828) and 1st w Frances COBBE (d 1820)

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Vice-Adm Hon George Fowler HASTINGS (1814-76) m Mathilde Alice HITCHCOCK (c1838-1916)

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Frances Alice HASTINGS (1870-1945) m (as his 1st w?) 1895 Gordon George William HENRY (1868-1947)

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Dorothea Mabel HENRY BEM (1896-1984) m Daniel MACNEE (1877-1952)

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(Daniel) Patrick MACNEE (1922-2015, birth reg as Daniel Macnee Q1 1922 Paddington, London)

[Richard R]

Vice-Adm Hastings was the eldest of three younger brothers of the 13th Earl of Huntingdon, which makes Dorothea Mabel HENRY the earl's gt niece.

[Michael Rhodes]

You beat me to it. I just located a marriage at St George's, Hanover Sq, in 1920, twixt one Daniel Macnee and Dorothea Henry -----  then delved into Burke's and found Dorothea's parentage.

We are are delightful group here.

[Michael Rhodes]

On Friday, 26 June 2015 09:02:16 UTC+1, Richard R wrote:

Here's the descent:

12th Earl of HUNTINGDON (1779-1828) and 1st w Frances COBBE (d 1820)

The above gent was 11th Earl of Huntingdon

[Richard R]

Hi Michael

Debrett's predecessors section for Huntingdon has:

Rev THEOPHILUS HENRY, de jure 11th Earl (according to the decision of the House of Lords 1819, which recognised his nephew as Earl); 1804

I'm not at home in my study and so don't have all the right books to hand. But which is right?

[Hovite]

According to the Complete Peerage, the 10th Earl died unmarried. The heir to the earldom was this Theophilus, a distant cousin, descended from the 2nd Earl. However, it took 30 years to prove the succession, by which time Theophilus was dead. His nephew succeeded. This presumably explains the difference in the numbering.

[Richard R]

Thanks for that. It's as I thought. It was accepted that, had he survived, Theophilus would have become 11th earl. So his 'successor' is numbered 12th earl.

[Dennis Cunniff]

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Since so many sources claim that “Dorothea Hastings” was his mother’s maiden name,
I wonder if that was a name taken by Dorothea Mabel Henry following her divorce from Daniel Macnee….

[Richard R]

Did the Macnees divorce? Here's Dorothea's death notice from the Times of 3 December 1984:

MACNEE - On 29th November. Dorothea Macnee BEM, beloved mother of Patrick and James, aged 88, peacefully at Sunday Hill House, Beckingham, Bath...

[Dennis Cunniff]

On Jun 27, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Richard R <r_ru...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Did the Macnees divorce? Here's Dorothea's death notice from the Times of 3 December 1984:
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> MACNEE - On 29th November. Dorothea Macnee BEM, beloved mother of Patrick and James, aged 88, peacefully at Sunday Hill House, Beckingham, Bath...
>

Patrick Macnee’s autobiography mentions that he was raised by his mother and her lesbian partner, “Uncle Evelyn”. And the obituaries all mention that his parents divorced, though I suppose they might be speaking loosely.

Evelyn is said to have been “an heiress who dressed like a man and had a pet monkey that would perch on her shoulder."

[Richard R]

Thanks Dennis. I wonder if the autobiog mentioned the divorce?

I've only seen the Times and Telegraph obits. The Times obit mentions his mother 'left' his father (Shrimp Macnee), and the Telegraph writes of his mother 'absconding' with a wealthy lesbian, but neither paper uses the D word.

[Dennis Cunniff]

On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Richard R <r_ru...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Dennis. I wonder if the autobiog mentioned the divorce?

I’m going to take a look, and I’ll let you know.  Perhaps it will also reveal the actual identity of Uncle Evelyn.

I've only seen the Times and Telegraph obits. The Times obit mentions his mother 'left' his father (Shrimp Macnee), and the Telegraph writes of his mother 'absconding' with a wealthy lesbian, but neither paper uses the D word.

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[Michael Rhodes]

I have read that "Uncle Evelyn" was Evelyn Spottswood

On Saturday, 27 June 2015 23:33:51 UTC+1, Dennis Cunniff wrote:

On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Richard R <r_ru...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Dennis. I wonder if the autobiog mentioned the divorce?

I’m going to take a look, and I’ll let you know.  Perhaps it will also reveal the actual identity of Uncle Evelyn.

I've only seen the Times and Telegraph obits. The Times obit mentions his mother 'left' his father (Shrimp Macnee), and the Telegraph writes of his mother 'absconding' with a wealthy lesbian, but neither paper uses the D word.

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[Tomi Franck]

Hello everyone,

  I am a new member of your group, but I've also exchanged with Dennis Cunniff.

By the Hastings family late Daniel Patrick Macnee's cousin by Hitchcock (Degacher) withthe late James David Graham Niven, and descend from the Degacher family is French.

Daniel Patrick Macnee son Daniel Patrick Macnee, trainer of horses and Dorothea Mary Henry

Son of Daniel Macnee and Anna Maria Macall

Son of Daniel Macnee, painter and Margaret Macgill

Frances Alice Hastings daughter Matilda Alice Hitchcock

Mathilde daughter of Walter Henry Hitchcock Hitchcock Degacher and Mathilde, sister ofWilliam Henry Degacher grandfather David Niven

[Richard R]

That's really interesting thanks (merci) Tomi. And WELCOME to the group. Look forward to more postings like this!

[Olivier]

I don't see the link between   Daniel Macnee, painter and Margaret Macgill and Frances Alice Hastings daughter Matilda Alice Hitchcock

[Tomi Franck]

Hello Olivier,

Daniel Macnee is the paternal great great father of Patrick Daniel Macnee by first spouse. Mathilde Alice Hitchcock is ancestor by mother side and sister of William Henry Degacher childs of

Walter Henry Hitchcock and Mathilde Degacher, great childs of Richard Hitchcock and Mary James, Pierre Degacher and Elisabeth Dael.

Best regards

Franck Tomi

[Tomi Franck]

Hello,

 Evelyn Spottswood from Dewar whisky family.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/obituaries/obituary-patrick-macnee-actor-1-3814225

Best regard

Le dimanche 28 juin 2015 06:17:20 UTC+2, Michael Rhodes a écrit :

I have read that "Uncle Evelyn" was Evelyn Spottswood

On Saturday, 27 June 2015 23:33:51 UTC+1, Dennis Cunniff wrote:

On Jun 27, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Richard R <r_ru...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Dennis. I wonder if the autobiog mentioned the divorce?

I’m going to take a look, and I’ll let you know.  Perhaps it will also reveal the actual identity of Uncle Evelyn.

I've only seen the Times and Telegraph obits. The Times obit mentions his mother 'left' his father (Shrimp Macnee), and the Telegraph writes of his mother 'absconding' with a wealthy lesbian, but neither paper uses the D word.

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[Dennis Cunniff]

On Jun 30, 2015, at 11:02 AM, Tomi Franck <franc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Evelyn Spottswood from Dewar whisky family.
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> http://www.scotsman.com/news/obituaries/obituary-patrick-macnee-actor-1-3814225
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Merci, Tomi,

Je viens de recevoir un maintien de l'autobiographie de Patrick Macnee et lirai ce week-end pour voir ce que je peux apprendre plus ...

Dennis

[Richard R]

Question for TOMI

Can you confirm my understanding of the information you've posted? Also add any missing dates or other details if you have them. Thanks

HITCHCOCK/DEGACHER ancestry of actor (Daniel) Patrick MACNEE

Richard HITCHCOCK m Mary JAMES
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William Henry HITCHCOCK (d 1876) changed name to DEGACHER in 1874 m Mathilde DEGACHER (1811-1878)
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Mathilde Alice HITCHCOCK (c1838-1916) m (before her father changed his name) Vice-Adm Hon George Fowler HASTINGS (1814-76)
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Frances Alice HASTINGS (1870-1945) m 1895 Gordon George William HENRY (1868-1947)

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Dorothea Mabel HENRY BEM (1896-1984) m Daniel MACNEE (1877-1952)

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(Daniel) Patrick MACNEE (1922-2015, birth reg as Daniel Macnee Q1 1922 Paddington, London)

DEGACHER/HITCHCOCK ancestry of actor (James) David (Graham) NIVEN

Pierre DEGACHER m Elisabeth DAEL
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Mathilde DEGACHER (c1811-78) m William Henry HITCHCOCK (d 1876) changed name to DEGACHER 1874
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Capt William Henry DEGACHER CB (d 1879) m _?
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Henrietta Julia DEGACHER (1878-1932) m 1st William Edward Graham NIVEN, 2nd 1917 Sir Thomas Comyn-Platt (1875-1961, s of Rev T D PLATT, no issue)
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(James) David (Graham) NIVEN (1910-83), the actor

If the above is correct, then Patrick MacNee was the 2nd cousin once removed of the actor David Niven from their common descent from William Henry HITCHCOCK/DEGACHER (d 1876)

[Tomi Franck]

Hello Dennis,

Pierre Degacher ° 1762 Marck (62) † 16/01/1825 Saint-Omer (62) http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/3241ae4d002c9125bbb958670693616f X Elizabeth Dael

Caroline Degacher ° 01/12/1796 Amport (GB) x 11/09/1823 Saint-Omer (62) http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/ada1b151776aed0c6afc7e15aa3f177e Georges Henry Horn 21/06/1795 Dover (GB) son of John and Elizabeth Horn

Mathilde 01/05/1808 Saint-Omer (62) X 05/12/1833 http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/sdzb4n1b8m3nbzxr Walter Henry Hitchcock ° 08/08/1808 London † 03/02/1876 Saint-Omer (62) son of Richard Hitchock and Mary James

Henry James Degacher (aka Hitchcock) ° 24/02/1835 Saint-Omer (62) http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/bqdb7g8ncv2qssf3 http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/t6d76szcpd6df0g8 † 26/11/1902 Canterbury (GB) X 07/07/1880 London, St George Hanover Square Eleanor Maud Harter † 09/04/1919 Canterbury (GB)

Charles Thomas Hitchcock ° 02/05/1837 Saint-Omer (62) http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/257a29c85d1cfed971c9a6a4a26b58d

Mathilde Alice Hitchcock ° 09/10/1838 Saint-Omer (62) http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/350029e4529a3c0396ade4b713f1690e † 06/07/1916 Leamington Hastings (GB) X 14/09/1864 (Calais source is bad, some research in the following municipalities Saint Omer, Boulogne-sur-Mer, Calais and Saint-Pierre-les-Calais are negative) George Fowler Hastings (ancestors of Patrick Macnee)

William Henry Degacher (aka Hitchcock) 04/04/1840 Saint-Omer (62) http://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/ark:/64297/1n3j0pr94p9t6bjt X Julia Caroline Webber Smith (ancestors of David Niven)

Walter Gustave Frank Degacher (aka Hitchcock) ° 24/10/1850 Horsham † 07/12/1892 Hesdigneul-lès-Boulogne (62) X 28/05/1890 Mayfair Emilie Julia Butler

Dorothea Mary Henry ° 30/10/1898 Minehead † 29/11/1984  X Patrick Macnee ° 1877 † 15/12/1952 Newbury

Son of Patrick Macnee: http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Daniel_Macnee

Best regard

Franck

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[Michael Rhodes]

I love the fact that Patrick Macnee and David Niven are son closely related - it's a pity the obituary writers were in ignorance of this - they shared a suave gened!

On Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:22:08 UTC+1, Michael Rhodes wrote: