Baron John Bonde (1918-2009)

[Richard R]

Interesting obit in the Telegraph.

JOHN ANSTRUTHER CARL KNUTSSON BONDE OF CHARLETON, BARON BONDE (in the
Peerage of Sweden), who, but for the attainder of a Jacobite ancestor,
would be 21st LORD ST CLAIR (S 1449). Heir of line of the Earls of
Orkney. Married 1944 Brita Christina, daughter of Dr Harald Fogelberg
and had issue.

His ancestry is shown under the Earl of Caithness.

'Bonde's romantic dual lineage vied for his loyalties. Through his
father, Baron Knut Bonde, he held a Swedish peerage and could trace
his antecedents back to medieval times and the country's throne. His
politician grandfather had played a leading part in separating Norway
from Swedish domination in 1905.
Through his mother, Grizel Anstruther, he was also the heir-of-line
to one of the oldest of Scottish titles and, but for the effect of a
debatable attainder against a Jacobite ancestor in 1715, would have
been styled the 21st Lord St Clair: it was William St Clair who built
Rosslyn Chapel in 1446, where, Da Vinci Code devotees are informed,
the Holy Grail is buried.
No less formidable were his Anstruther relations, who had been
soldiers since the Crusades. Not that their talents were solely
martial – in the Stuart era one had drunk the Danish king under the
table in order to secure a trade treaty....'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-obituaries/5238424/Baron-John-Bonde.html

[marquess]

Interesting we don't hear very much about the Swedish nobility

> table in order to secure a trade treaty....'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-o...

[Shinjinee]

For more on the title
http://everything2.com/title/Lord%2520St%2520Clair

ST CLAIR

* Henry St Clair, 10th Lord St Clair (1674-1723)

Lords 'but for the attainder'

* John St Clair, 11th Lord St Clair (1723-1750)
* James St Clair, 12th Lord St Clair (1750-1762)
* Henry St Clair, 13th Lord St Clair (1762-1766)
* James St Clair, 14th Lord St Clair (1766-1789)
* Margaret Paterson, 15th Lady St Clair (1789-?)
* Grizel Maria Thomson, 16th Lady St Clair (?-1795)
* John Anstruther-Thomson, 17th Lord St Clair (1795-1833)
* John Anstruther-Thomson, 18th Lord St Clair (1833-1904)
* Charles Frederick Anstruther of Charleton, 19th Lord St Clair
(1904-1925)
* Grizel Margaret St Clair, 20th Lady St Clair (1925-1970)
* John Anstruther Bonde of Charleton, 21st Lord St Clair (1970-to
date)

[the new titular baron is St Clair Knut Harald Jöns Bonde of
Charleton, 22nd Lord St Clair but for the attainder]

For his children see
http://thepeerage.com/p19843.htm
http://www.bosjokloster.com/historia/history.html

> table in order to secure a trade treaty....'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/books-o...

[sarac...@googlemail.com]

Interesting articles,both this one and in the Daily Telegraph obit,but
like most peerage authorities
and histories on this title,including the 'official' tomes of CP and
Burke's,highly inaccurate as contrary to most observers who point to
the 1446/9 date as its 'creation'{where it is never specifically
clarified,but just evolved into general usage},it is first noted in
the official registers,a generation earlier in 1410!
Furthermore as a specific peerage title,the Sinclair(not St.Clair)
Lordship's most important founding charter is its royal parliamentary
confirmation/recognition of 1488/9 where by the nature of its
wording,its initially entailed the Sinclair clan chiefship{always by
the direct male line!},for which the 'disinherited' eldest son William
'The Waster' Sinclair's eldest son and successor Henry obtained clear
official court approval as titled clan chief because he obviously
represents his grandfather's heir-male,rather than heir-general.

I could go into more detail,on this and other factors,but I think the
main crux of the matter is the 1677 transferral/regrant,where
detractors have emphasised the discrepancy question of whether 2
separate peerage titles of the same name were inadvertently
formed,because it was not a proper legalistic Scottish peerage
'resignation';although the same detractors have never really bothered
to question why the transferral/regrant had to be proceeded with in
the first place(which would not have been the case if the initial
peerage title had not been limited to direct heir-male succession)!

As for the exact spelling of the peerage title as 'St.Clair' from its
last published entry in Burke's LG(Scotland),I perceive this as a
deliberate PR ruse by the late Baron John's son and successor{who
supplied most of the present info to BLG} to legitimatise their
dubious/erroneous claims - as I know from personal contacts,he had
been in occassional past dispute with the present Lord Sinclair's
family over the peerage title - by emphasising a distinct difference
and not overtly clash with the present Lord Sinclair's family,although
from all clear records the peerage title was generally spelt as
Sinclair and not St.Clair!

tOn 29 Apr, 05:57, Shinjinee <SSenpub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For more on the titlehttp://everything2.com/title/Lord%2520St%2520Clair

>
> ST CLAIR
>
>     * Henry St Clair, 10th Lord St Clair (1674-1723)
>
> Lords 'but for the attainder'
>
>     * John St Clair, 11th Lord St Clair (1723-1750)
>     * James St Clair, 12th Lord St Clair (1750-1762)
>     * Henry St Clair, 13th Lord St Clair (1762-1766)
>     * James St Clair, 14th Lord St Clair (1766-1789)
>     * Margaret Paterson, 15th Lady St Clair (1789-?)
>     * Grizel Maria Thomson, 16th Lady St Clair (?-1795)
>     * John Anstruther-Thomson, 17th Lord St Clair (1795-1833)
>     * John Anstruther-Thomson, 18th Lord St Clair (1833-1904)
>     * Charles Frederick Anstruther of Charleton, 19th Lord St Clair
> (1904-1925)
>     * Grizel Margaret St Clair, 20th Lady St Clair (1925-1970)
>     * John Anstruther Bonde of Charleton, 21st Lord St Clair (1970-to
> date)
>
> [the new titular baron is St Clair Knut Harald Jöns Bonde of
> Charleton, 22nd Lord St Clair but for the attainder]
>

> For his children seehttp://thepeerage.com/p19843.htmhttp://www.bosjokloster.com/historia/history.html

>
> On Apr 29, 2:51 am, Richard R <r_rut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Interesting obit in the Telegraph.
>
> > JOHN ANSTRUTHER CARL KNUTSSON BONDE OF CHARLETON, BARON BONDE (in the
> > Peerage of Sweden), who, but for the attainder of a Jacobite ancestor,
> > would be 21st LORD ST CLAIR (S 1449). Heir of line of the Earls of
> > Orkney. Married 1944 Brita Christina, daughter of Dr Harald Fogelberg
> > and had issue.
>
> > His ancestry is shown under the Earl of Caithness.
>
> > 'Bonde's romantic dual lineage vied for his loyalties. Through his
> > father, Baron Knut Bonde, he held a Swedish peerage and could trace
> > his antecedents back to medieval times and the country's throne. His
> > politician grandfather had played a leading part in separating Norway
> > from Swedish domination in 1905.
> >   Through his mother, Grizel Anstruther, he was also the heir-of-line
> > to one of the oldest of Scottish titles and, but for the effect of a
> > debatable attainder against a Jacobite ancestor in 1715, would have
> > been styled the 21st Lord St Clair: it was William St Clair who built
> > Rosslyn Chapel in 1446, where, Da Vinci Code devotees are informed,
> > the Holy Grail is buried.
> >   No less formidable were his Anstruther relations, who had been
> > soldiers since the Crusades. Not that their talents were solely
> > martial – in the Stuart era one had drunk the Danish king under the

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