Birth date of Grace Pelham, Lady Sondes

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Complete Peerage says that Grace Pelham, wife of Lord Sondes, was born 18 August 1728.

Collins' Peerage of 1812 says she was born in January 1735, and gives the 18 August 1728 birth date to her sister Frances. Other sources about Frances also say that she was born 1728.

Does anyone have access to records showing the correct birth-date or age for Grace?

I have the children of Henry Pelham, the Prime Minister, as:

two sons:
Thomas (1729-28 Nov 1739)
Henry (1736-27 Nov 1739)

six daus:
Lucy, d.6 Feb 1740 in her twelfth year
Catherine (24 Jul 1727-27 Jul 1760); married her first cousin who later became 2nd Duke of Newcastle
Frances (18 Aug 1728-d.10 Jan 1804, per the notice in Gentleman's Magazine, though Collins says 1805)
Grace (Jan 1735-3 Jul 1777), m. to Lord Sondes
Mary (Sep 1739-25 May 1794)
Dorothy, d.an infant ca 1740

[S. S.]

If you could know where they were born and brought up, you could extract that info from the register informing where they were baptized and estimate it that way. 

S.S.

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Mine too

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Michael Andrews-Reading has sent me the following information:

"According to the registers of St James, Piccadilly, Grace was christened on 28.4.1732, daughter of The Hon. Henry and Lady Katherine, and was born on "31", which I take to be 31.3.1732."

So, both Complete Peerage and Collins' Peerage of 1812 are incorrect about her birth date.

I can add more specifics on two of the other children, from birth announcements in Gentleman's Magazine:

Henry must be the child born in APRIL 1736, and Mary the child born 21 Sep 1739.

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For anyone interested, here is my page on this family:

https://www.angelfire.com/realm/gotha/gotha/pelham.html

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Michael Andrews-Reading has looked into all Henry Pelham's children and has established the dates of birth and baptisms as below. I have renumbered the children accordingly.

1g) Catherine (24 Jul 1727 [bap St. James 23 Aug 1727]-27 Jul 1760); m.London 16 Oct 1744 her first cousin Henry Fiennes Clinton, 9th Earl of Lincoln, who later succeeded their mutual uncle as 2nd Duke of Newcastle-under-Lyne

2g) Lucy (b.and bap 18 Aug 1728-6 Feb 1740 [bur at Laughton 13 Feb 1740])

3g) Thomas (31 Oct 1729 [bap St. James 19 Nov 1729]-27 Nov 1739 [bur Laughton 3 Dec 1739])

4g) Frances (7 Mar 1731 [bap St. James 1 Apr 1731; so not b.18 Aug 1728]-10 Jan 1804 [per GM and other sources; not 1805, as in Collins])

5g) Grace (bap St. James, Picadilly, 28 Apr 1732 [so not born Jan 1735, as in Collins; nor on 18 Aug 1728, as in Complete Peerage]-31 Jul 1777); m.12 Oct 1752 Lewis Watson, Lord Sondes (28 Nov 1728-30 Mar 1795)

6g) Dorothy (30 Dec 1734 [bap St. Martin in the Fields 20 Jan 1735]-bur there 2 May 1735)

7g) Henry (8 Apr 1736 [bap St. Martin in the Fields 6 May 1736]-28 Nov 1739 [bur Laughton 3 Dec 1739])

8g) Mary (bap St. Martin in the Fields 21 Sep 1739-25 May 1794)

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