20th Century peerage titles

[colinp]

The history of Parliament website is advertising a seminar tonight led by Duncan Sutherland on "What's in a Name? How Peers Settled Their Titles in the Twentieth Century"

Unfortunately the seminar begins at 5.30 GMT so I think I am too late to attend.  If  any of our members is attending and can post any notes of interesting points that came out of the seminar perhaps they could do so here.

The notes on the seminar are in themselves quite interesting and can be found here:

 What's in a Name? How Peers Settled Their Titles in the Twentieth Century - The History of Parliament

I've only just found out about the seminar

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apparently it can be attended via Zoom, though I guess it has now begun already.

[Richard R]

I usually only check this group first thing each morning, when I post BMDs from the Times & Telegraph, so have only now seen this post.

I regularly attend the IHR's lectures and had booked for this one which I attended in person.

It was a fascinating talk full of things of interest to this group but, sadly, I didn't take notes! He said the full article of c10,000 words would eventually appear in print (didn't say where, but mabe the Bulletin of the IHR?). His talk last night was c5,000 words which meant he didn't have time to include what sounds like a fascinating section on peers who included foreign designations in their titles. Interestingly, the country is often consulted before the title is agreed. Although he mentioned one instance of Baroness Ryder of Warsaw 1924-2000, cr 1979 (of Warsaw in Poland and of Cavendish in
the County of Suffolk - ' a personal tribute to the people of Poland' ODNB).

The form was for a peer-designate to meet Garter and discuss their preferred style before anything is agreed. But Sue Ryder (as she was) pre-empted this by phoning the Polish Ambassador stating her wish. He consulted the (then Communist) Polish govt who were delighted to agree to it, impressed that they would have a 'Polish title' in the British House of Lords. Garter was none too pleased, but could hardly oppose the fait accompli!

Hopefully it won't be too long before the full article appears in print somewhere.

[colinp]

Richard, have you heard or seen anything about when (and where) the full article might be published?

[Richard R]

Hi Colin

Nothing in print yet. It was a 'work in progress' when delivered at the seminar and it may well be many more months before it appears in print.

[colinp]

Thanks Richard.  I have subscribed to the IHR bulletin so hopefully it will be reported there when the paper becomes available

[colinp]

Nothing in the IHR bulletin yet.  Does anyone have any news about the publication of what I am sure will be a very interesting article.

[Richard R]

Hi Colin

I've seen nothing yet. I've emailed a contact at the IHR. Let's see what they say.

[colinp]

Thanks Richard