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Marty McOmber
May 15, 2012, 5:08:00 PM5/15/12
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Hi all,
In purchasing the Passport 40, we are documenting it with the Coast Guard for the first time. The CG needs the vessel's "depth and breadth" Apparently depth is not the same as draft.
Would any of you wise Passport 40 owners know those dimensions off hand?
Thanks,
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robert c young
May 15, 2012, 5:16:01 PM5/15/12
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12’ 6” beam
5’ 9” draft
From memory.
Regards
Bob
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Jim Melton
May 15, 2012, 5:38:46 PM5/15/12
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Marty,
Breadth is probably a couple of inches greater than beam because our caprails extend outward from the hull by that amount. (Confidence level: 50%)
Depth is draft plus distance from top of caprail to waterline. (Confidence level: 98%)
Hope this helps,
Jim
Breadth is probably a couple of inches greater than beam because our caprails extend outward from the hull by that amount. (Confidence level: 50%)
Depth is draft plus distance from top of caprail to waterline. (Confidence level: 98%)
Hope this helps,
Jim
At 5/15/2012 03:16 PM, robert c young wrote:
12� 6� beam
5� 9� draft
From memory.
Regards
Bob
From: passpor...@googlegroups.com [ mailto:passpor...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marty McOmber
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:08 PM
To: Passport Owners
Subject: [Passport] breadth and depth
Hi all,
In purchasing the Passport 40, we are documenting it with the Coast Guard for the first time. The CG needs the vessel's "depth and breadth" Apparently depth is not the same as draft.
Would any of you wise Passport 40 owners know those dimensions off hand?
Thanks,
--
Marty McOmber
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Jim Melton & Barbara Edelberg
"Dream SeQueL"
1982 Passport 40, hull# 18
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Jeff and Jane Woodward
May 15, 2012, 9:51:23 PM5/15/12
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Gross Tonnage: 10 GRT Net Tonnage: 9 NRT Length: 39.7 Breadth: 12.7 Depth: 5.8
From our Certificate of Documentation.
Jeff
Adagio
San Carlos, MX
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:38:46 -0600
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Subject: RE: [Passport] breadth and depth
From our Certificate of Documentation.
Jeff
Adagio
San Carlos, MX
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:38:46 -0600
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Subject: RE: [Passport] breadth and depth
Larry Rovin
May 16, 2012, 6:20:03 AM5/16/12
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From Whisper’s Coast Guard documentation – breadth 12.7 (actually 12’ 8”), depth 5.2 (we are shoal draft of 5’ 3”).
From: passpor...@googlegroups.com [mailto:passpor...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of robert c young
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:16 PM
To: 'Marty McOmber'; 'Passport Owners'
Subject: RE: [Passport] breadth and depth
12’ 6” beam
Ian Macrae
May 16, 2012, 11:59:35 AM5/16/12
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I'm looking at the original sales material from Camden Yachts in
Florida (~1983) for my 1983 hull #49, which has what look like
original Robert Perry drawings as illustrations. Their literature
states that the draft is either 5'9" or 5'3", that LOA is 39'5", LWL
is 33'5", beam 12'8", D/L ration 252, Ballast/displacement ratio 37%,
sail area/displacement ratio 15/4 or with a 130% genoa it's 19.2, 125
gallons water, 110 gallons fuel, displacement 22,700, ballast 8,500.
I also have a reprint from Nautical Quarterly Magazine from 1983
setting forth those same numbers.
I = 50' 8"
J = 15' 9 5/8"
P= 45' 10 1/2"
My book written by Perry about his boats is at home, not sure what it
says.
Ian
S/V Freyja
P40 #49
Florida (~1983) for my 1983 hull #49, which has what look like
original Robert Perry drawings as illustrations. Their literature
states that the draft is either 5'9" or 5'3", that LOA is 39'5", LWL
is 33'5", beam 12'8", D/L ration 252, Ballast/displacement ratio 37%,
sail area/displacement ratio 15/4 or with a 130% genoa it's 19.2, 125
gallons water, 110 gallons fuel, displacement 22,700, ballast 8,500.
I also have a reprint from Nautical Quarterly Magazine from 1983
setting forth those same numbers.
I = 50' 8"
J = 15' 9 5/8"
P= 45' 10 1/2"
My book written by Perry about his boats is at home, not sure what it
says.
Ian
S/V Freyja
P40 #49
Jim Melton
May 16, 2012, 12:51:14 PM5/16/12
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Harumph! I guess I should have looked at my Certificate before
answering. Each of the several surveys I've had done on Dream
SeQueL over the years says that her *draft* is 5'9" (5.75', rounds
to 5.8') and that her *depth* is around 9' - 10' or so (each survey says
something different).
I withdraw my answer ;^)
Jim
I withdraw my answer ;^)
Jim
P. Sherwood
May 16, 2012, 1:25:11 PM5/16/12
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My USCG doc'n says that my gross tonnage is 17 and my net tonnage is 15.
Grossly inaccurate; no idea where those numbers came from; not worth $84
(the cost of new doc'n) to fix. Length is shown as 39.4, breadth 12.7,
depth 9.2.
Phil
s/v Cynosure
On 5/16/2012 09:51, Jim Melton wrote:
> Harumph! I guess I should have looked at my Certificate before
> answering. Each of the several surveys I've had done on Dream SeQueL
> over the years says that her *draft* is 5'9" (5.75', rounds to 5.8') and
> that her *depth* is around 9' - 10' or so (each survey says something
> different).
>
> I withdraw my answer ;^)
> Jim
>
> At 5/15/2012 07:51 PM, Jeff and Jane Woodward wrote:
>> Gross Tonnage: 10 GRT Net Tonnage: 9 NRT Length: 39.7 Breadth: 12.7
>> Depth: 5.8
>>
>> From our Certificate of Documentation.
>>
>> Jeff[...]
Grossly inaccurate; no idea where those numbers came from; not worth $84
(the cost of new doc'n) to fix. Length is shown as 39.4, breadth 12.7,
depth 9.2.
Phil
s/v Cynosure
On 5/16/2012 09:51, Jim Melton wrote:
> Harumph! I guess I should have looked at my Certificate before
> answering. Each of the several surveys I've had done on Dream SeQueL
> over the years says that her *draft* is 5'9" (5.75', rounds to 5.8') and
> that her *depth* is around 9' - 10' or so (each survey says something
> different).
>
> I withdraw my answer ;^)
> Jim
>
> At 5/15/2012 07:51 PM, Jeff and Jane Woodward wrote:
>> Gross Tonnage: 10 GRT Net Tonnage: 9 NRT Length: 39.7 Breadth: 12.7
>> Depth: 5.8
>>
>> From our Certificate of Documentation.
>>
Larry Rovin
May 16, 2012, 1:30:07 PM5/16/12
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Gross tonnage and net tonnage have nothing to do with displacement. They are calculations based on the volume of the enclosed space of the vessel and the full formula would give you a headache.
P. Sherwood
May 16, 2012, 1:40:29 PM5/16/12
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Ah. Well, someone's doc is way out of whack if one P40's papers show 10
gross and 9 net tons and another's show 17 and 15. Point is, I guess,
that USCG papers aren't gospel.
Phil
gross and 9 net tons and another's show 17 and 15. Point is, I guess,
that USCG papers aren't gospel.
Phil
Larry Rovin
May 16, 2012, 2:00:14 PM5/16/12
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And mine says 13 and 11.
Marty McOmber
May 16, 2012, 4:49:59 PM5/16/12
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Hi all,
I got the official coast guard application and it shows the measurements they need. Depth for our boats is not the same as draft. Depth is the measure from the top of the hull ( in our case, the cap rail ) to the bottom of the keel.
Combined with the width, or beam, it is measure of hull volume.
We measured the depth as 9'3"
Thanks for the help!
Sent from my iPad
I got the official coast guard application and it shows the measurements they need. Depth for our boats is not the same as draft. Depth is the measure from the top of the hull ( in our case, the cap rail ) to the bottom of the keel.
Combined with the width, or beam, it is measure of hull volume.
We measured the depth as 9'3"
Thanks for the help!
Sent from my iPad
Jim Melton
May 16, 2012, 5:16:09 PM5/16/12
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Aha! Vindication!
Just one little question...from what point along the caprail did you
make that measurement? I'm pretty sure that the distance from the
water to the caprail at the bow is greater than the distance to the
caprail at midships (although probably by only a very few inches).
Thanks, Marty,
Jim
At 5/16/2012 02:49 PM, Marty McOmber wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I got the official coast guard application and it shows the
>measurements they need. Depth for our boats is not the same as
>draft. Depth is the measure from the top of the hull ( in our case,
>the cap rail ) to the bottom of the keel.
>
>Combined with the width, or beam, it is measure of hull volume.
>
>We measured the depth as 9'3"
>
>Thanks for the help!
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Just one little question...from what point along the caprail did you
make that measurement? I'm pretty sure that the distance from the
water to the caprail at the bow is greater than the distance to the
caprail at midships (although probably by only a very few inches).
Thanks, Marty,
Jim
At 5/16/2012 02:49 PM, Marty McOmber wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I got the official coast guard application and it shows the
>measurements they need. Depth for our boats is not the same as
>draft. Depth is the measure from the top of the hull ( in our case,
>the cap rail ) to the bottom of the keel.
>
>Combined with the width, or beam, it is measure of hull volume.
>
>We measured the depth as 9'3"
>
>Thanks for the help!
Who speaks for the animals?
We must, because they cannot speak for themselves.
---------------------------------------------------
Jim Melton SheltieJim at xmission dot com
1930 Viscounti Drive
Sandy, UT 84093-1063
Shelties since 1969; ASSA member since 1992
Please visit Sheltie Rescue of Utah, Inc. at
http://SheltieRescueUT.org
Saving The World, One Sheltie At A Time
Support Sheltie Rescue and indulge yourself, too:
http://SheltieRescueMall.com
Read and comment in our blog:
http://SheltieTales.com
Marty McOmber
May 16, 2012, 5:33:37 PM5/16/12
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Midships.
Sent from my iPad
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