Re: [PANIIT-Discussiongroup] Re: [paniitmideast] More Trouble for AAP

[Chandra Jain]

I see THREE groups of people here re their orientation towards AAP:

 

1. Diehard AAP supporters who refuse to see anything wrong in what is unfolding before us.

2. Dis-illusioned erstwhile AAP supporters who feel let down by the present trend of events.

3. AAP- bashers who are either die-hard congressi or BJP- Modi supporters who are at their best right now & rub their hands gleefully at every new episode - they are having a good time now while it lasts.

 

It is the category 1 & 2 that are important for AAP to address & cater to.

 

AAP is a young political party who got unto power on a single-point anti-corruption program, basically on the strength of its young cadre with no experience, no ideological base & NO LEADERS, except for Arvind & his close Associates. The Delhi Electoral victory was unexpected, unprecedented & perhaps even undesirable. If you look at the profile of the AAP Delhi candidates, one sees a certain shortage of capability & the only quality criteria was honesty, a track record of service to the party in its anti-corruption crusade & no-crime record - which would hardly translate into governance-capability. The intelligencia did not give the party a chance of victory - they did not want to be candidates but voted for the party, hoping, not to win, but for a symbolic support. The Tsunami-like wave (that Arvind used to talk about but we were not sure of) actually did take place. THE REST IS HISTORY.

 

The victory changed it all - the numbers were truly magical - AAP 28, BJP 32, Cong 8, Indp 2. In normal times, BJP would have cobbled a majority - it had to manage only 4 out of 10 possibilities (+ maybe others from AAP). That would have been the best scenario for AAP – to sit in opposition & LEARN GOVERNANCE. They did not jump into power when the opportunity was dropped into their lap by BJP – they took their own sweet time & a unique referendum. They came to power with visible Public support of this decision – the power would naturally be a great morale-booster, intoxicant, even an aphrodisiac.

With this background, if you look in retrospect, AAP is acting with relative grace & restraint. The few sporadic incidents we have observed are perhaps over-zeal & over-kill by a few party leaders who are trying desperately to prove themselves. The inexperience & misgovernance shows but there is not one incidence of malfeance or malafide reported in the past 40 days or so, even by a hostile media. Arvind's street protest at Central Vista rather than Jantar Mantar or RamLila Grounds has left all political analysts scratching their heads - it did confuse the middle classes who view flag & constitutional authorities authorities as venerable & the methods unconventional but there was no real damage in the end - there was not enoiugh done by AAP to explain to the public the reasons & purpose of the protest & the media for definitely hostile this time around for some unknown reasons.

40 days is no big deal. You cannot expect wonders in such a short time. Things are moving in the right direction, despite the hurdles a minority government would face - at least there are no visible compromises, the kind you see in the coalition govt at the center.The knowledgeable & the Intelligensia has now seen the possibility of bringing about a change & are now attracted to the party in hordes – they do not have a track record of contribution/service to the party or movement but are willing to work for the party with resources such as formulating policies,  governance,  money, manpower etc. The party can certainly use their services. The party leadership needs to understand it & seize this opportunity - otherwise, there is a great danger of the motivated & honest cadre being misled by lumpen elements - we have seen it in recent sudden rise of various regional parties - the SP, BSP, Shiv Sena or even CPI & others.

 The party may get over-ambitious with eyeing a role in national politics.                                                             One only hopes it would hasten slowly & would not get too big for its shoes, suddenly.

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Chandra k Jain
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:18 AM, Parimal Karani <parima...@gmail.com> wrote:
Fully agree with you Ashis...

On Tuesday, February 4, 2014, <mehta_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: 

Dear Parimal,

More than Congress Party I see them more likely to become a "slightly " Jazzier/Glorified version of the CPI(M).

Look at all the Jholawallahs (From JNU)who have joined them recently.

Previously the No.1 Destination (in Politics) for Jholawallahs was the CPI(M) or other Assorted Communist Parties after that it was the Congress Party.

The AAP now seems to have usurped that very position.

In a way its Good.

It will end up Wiping out the Communists and Pseudo Communists Entirely (Mulayam,Nitish,etc).

As for me personally- I detest All Jholawallahs.Most of them are nothing but parasites who suck on the State and can't do anything Productive in Real Life.

Regretting Donating Money to AAP last year.Won't repeat the mistake ever again.

Regards

Ashish.

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[Chandra Jain]

This bogey issue of Income Tax placement was raised by Diggy Singh of Congress long time back.

I dont quite understand what is the implication. If he managed to stay in Delhi for so long, what does it prove???? Does that prove he is dishonest in any way????????

Why did Arvind manage to stay in Delhi for so long? what was his motive? because Delhi was a WET & LUCRATIVE posting & he made millions by staying in Delhi? Anybody connected with IT deptt knows this is not true - he had an impeccable reputation of being a clean & honest officer. His motive will become clear from the attached biography citation- he received the Magsaysay award in 2006 - makes a fascinating reading of his social activism right from his student days. It is quite obvious that he chose to stay back in Delhi to continue his association with the reforms he had initiated around different areas of work to remove corruption for better governance.

How did he manage to stay in Delhi & evade compulsory transfers? I am sure people who have stayed in govt service know the answers. I dont think anyone can accuse him of using corrupt means to stay on in Delhi - he certainly would not be paying bribes for this. It could be that he managed to stay on the right side of people in personal relations despite trying to make systemic changes & not picking up personal fights & his personal clean aura helped - dont take any 'panga' & let him have his way. Maybe there was a godfather within the deptt whose influence came handy. Is this dishonesty? Is this an integrity issue?

Arvind joined as Assistant commissioner, got promoted to Joint commissioner & finally took retirement as Additional Commissioner. He took on an approved study-leave (with pay) for some time & joined back after leave. He got disenchanted with the job, was permitted to go on leave-without-pay & completely immersed himself in the anti-corruption movement. The congress govt decided to hit back - decided that the study-leave, initially granted in public interest, had to be cancelled & he was asked to repay the pay drawn for that period. Instead of fighting the issue, Arvind paid back all the dues with some help from his friends to fend off all claims of the government & took VOLUNTARY retirement.

Our friend R K Baqaya was 20 years his senior in IT Deptt - they were a generation part & would hardly know each other - he could not get a Delhi posting despite his best efforts. But if he checks up with IT Deptt Delhi, he would find plenty of evidence of Arvind's struggles & efforts at reforms within IT deptt Delhi.

I have personally known Arvind since 1998, the Parivartan days & through his Anti-corruption, Anti-water-privatization & Pro-RTI movements - & i can say that the man is pure gold.

His honesty & sincerity is surely beyond all doubts.

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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Mahinder Kapur <mkkap...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Thanks for your input,  Baqaya Sahab.

I know the income tax Deptt in and out. It's the most corrupt. 

Most officers would be trying for Delhi posting by the normal way of pleasing the powers that be, and obviously there isn't any shortage of such officers , in fact this is the only area where there would be keen competition among them.

My take is that one  possibility is that Arvind Kejriwal was one of a sort who was honest to the core and was a constant threat to the ' system ' . So the powers that be just to keep the ' system' going did'nt take any 'panga' with Kejriwal , and kept him posted as per his desire.

The other possibility is also there , in which case he deserves the highest award for having fooled so many educated people in such a short time . 

Pl take your pick. 

Love,

M K Kapur

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On Friday, 7 February 2014 10:38 PM, Rup Krishen Baqaya <rkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Well said MP. I have nothing against anyone and am totally apolitical.Post retirement i have immersed myself in Astrology/Numerology having already written 3 books on the subject.I only said what i saw and what i felt.If i hurt anyone in the process my sincerest apologies.Regards and love       R.K.Baqaya 

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 10:30 PM, M P Singh <mpsin...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Ok Baqaya  ji , understood.

I however feel so sad that everyone, well almost everyone, including the TV channels, are just negatively criticising every action of this team of AAP, and nobody is talking of all the positives they have turned out in such a short period of time !

All the time till now  we cried ourselves hoarse that India is completely drenched in corruption and we the IITians should be doing something for our country, and now when someone has decided to do something, we are collecting all the negatives of every member of this team to pull the whole team down !!

Can we rise above this and talk ONLY of POSITIVES of this team and support them in every way to help them crack this well castled corrupt system ?

Can we be selfless and give importance to this team and talk to everyone of their achievements only?

None of us is  "doodh-ka-dhula" and if TODAY we have decided to do some good, well we'll just say cheers !!!

Regards,

mp

 

On Friday, 7 February 2014 9:55 PM, Rup Krishen Baqaya <rkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi Friends,  I have been watching with great interest the enthusiasm or otherwise of all of you towards the new AAP Government and Mr.Arvind Kejriwal,what with all the mails that you have been posting on the subject.However,before i express my two pennies in the matter, i would humbly like to state that my association with Arvind (though nil in a personal way) is two fold;one of course is that i am an alumni of IIT Delhi like all of you and the second and the more important one is that i worked in the Indian Revenue Service for 35 years,where i was more than 20 years senior to Arvind.Friends,as some of you,i mean the one's who know me would be knowing i was a Delhite and had lived all my life in Delhi before joining the I.R.S..However,when i joined the I.R.S in 1971, inspite of my best efforts to get a posting in Delhi i could not get the same and was posted in Ahmedabad.During my 35 years in the I.R.S.i was transferred more than 10 times and worked at various places in India but could never get a posting in Delhi inspite of all my requests to the Govt of India.There were many other Delhites like me in the I.R.S.who used to try for Delhi posting,but could never get the same inspite of their best efforts and requests/entreaties in the matter.Rumours had it,that Delhi was a very prize posting and one needed to do many many things to get a posting in Delhi.As against this,Arvind and his wife managed to remain posted in Delhi for 18 years against all rules and regulations,what with the normal tenure of an officer in one place being just 5 years.Thus there could be disputes about Arvind's claims of honesty if viewed in this background.As it is,a hundred percent honest officer is a rarity in a Government department in India,what with the system ruthlessly crushing all ideals of the officers including honesty with in a short time of joining the service.I am sure  you would therefore appreciate that any officer who would be as honest as Arvind  claims himself to be,would be well known,rather sort of famous in the department   for his honesty.However,during my tenure in the department i had never heard of or  known Arvind to be that kind of an officer.And before i close,let me say one last thing Arvind has been telling the public at large that he was working as Commissioner of Income Tax before he took voluntary retirement from the department.However,the fact is that Arvind never became a Commissioner,but was only a joint commissioner when he took voluntary retirement.Though,to some of you it may look a petty matter,i thought that this one act alone tells us about the intellectual integrity of the person.The facts are for you to judge.With love and regards to you all                                     R.K.Baqaya

On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Timo Wadhawan <timowa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Chandra: My read---we in India prefer an evolution-AAP is leaning towards a revolution. Scary?  Timo Wadhawan.

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Despite all the discussions in the IIT forums, based upon what I saw in Delhi during my stay there last November, I concluded that even from an apolitical perspective, Arvind is one of the best hopes for removing the cancer of corruption in India.   

The prospect of raising money to fight corruption made a lot of sense. However, raising money here in the US almost always means getting US citizens involved and there lies the problem. On obtaining legal advice in Delhi regarding this issue, I was clearly informed that this would be illegal and amount to funnelling money. If the money is sent by a citizen of India, it would still be illegal. There may be no penalties for the contributor but the party that accepts the money can be investigated and the source of money can result in serious issues.

If any one knows of a mechanism by which money can be raised for this purpose, please let me know. Otherwise there are a lot of non profit organizations here which contribute, and in some cases, appear to contribute to the, Indian cause by contributing to NGOs in India.   

Ashwani

 

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[Chandra Jain]

Wow, Raj.

I see U as a recent convert - from ridiculing him & his ideas, u have become an ardent fan just seeing him floor Barkha on a TV show. It is his disarming simplicity that immediately wins u over.

I have worked very closely with him since 1998 when he started Parivartan & i have participated in many of his campaigns against corruption - working at the grass roots level for the poor & the deprived. There is A STREAK OF GANDHI(MohanDas KaramChand) in him. I guess Gandhi topi was a natural choice & Jhadu the natural party symbol to sweep out corruption.

The muffler was the sartorial need of the hour - Arvind has a chronic cough problem (i have seen him cough since 1998 - i wonder why no one - not even Dr Naresh Trehan has bothered to do something about it) - he probably needs to cover his ears in this Delhi cold for some relief. I guess now this untidy muffler around the head topped by a topi has become a style statement - copied by not just the partymen but soon even by fashionistas, if Delhi cold persists. Thank God he did not choose a monkey cap - how abt a Topi on top of a monkey cap????????  

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On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Raj Misra <rajm...@gmail.com> wrote:

I heard him interview with Barkha Duttt last night. 

He surpassed my expectations and won my heart over completely. 

He was right on the spot with his punches and had never to look for answers. 

However I have a suggestion for him which is his entire cadre should not copy his look with that absurd muffler and topi on their heads. So untidy it is and is a reflection of an untidy sloppy mind

Regards

Raj Misra

On 10-Feb-2014, at 9:31, Rup Krishen Baqaya <rkba...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

MK dear, u forget that it could not have happened at all without his actively "trying" for it.Love and regards                           RK Baqaya

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Mahinder Kapur <mkkap...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

He could not have transferred himself to any other location in order to comply with the transfer rule. It was for his superiors to do. 

Love,

MK

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 9:34 PM, AK Agarwal <ceo...@hotmail.com> wrote:

staying at one plce for 15 years, AGAINST the rules , with or without BRIBERY, itself is corruption

 

2 set of people have skewed logic to go to ANY length of support : conning con-gress, and anarchiast aap

 

SHAME on them

 

AK

 

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