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By now, the reader will have noticed that our subtext is: "In a perfect world, we would not be comparing Types A/B/C at all since they would have been long since supplanted by Janet’s LST." Realising how unlikely it is that the LST might rise to such prominence in the foreseeable future, one’s attention turns to Type C as a compromise that might be practical.
[Type A = La in Group 3; Type B = */**; Type C = Lu in Group 3.]
On 30 Jan 2026, at 15:20, 'René' via Periodic table mailing list <PT...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Thanks Larry.
It’s mentioned by Google Scholar, too.
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On 10 Feb 2026, at 15:18, Larry T. <ora...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi René,
In your last email, you noted:"Spin multiplicity is only one component of the atomic term symbol. When the full ground-state term symbols (2S+1, L, J) are considered, the Lu form actually introduces one additional mismatch relative to group/block expectations compared with the La form. In other words, Lu–Lr improves multiplicity regularity, but at the cost of overall term-symbol coherence."Based on this, would you argue for including Sc, Y, La, Ac, and Lu in Group 3 for the sake of "term-symbol coherence"?
Term symbols are only consistent within groups belonging to the s-block and p-block; this "coherence" does not exist within the d-block and f-block groups.
Given that, why would Group 3 be granted special status? If you include La and Ac in group 3, the f-block would begin with Ce and Th, creating the similar problem, only in the f-block instead of the d-block.
Where is the improvement?
^ As Eric and Bill Parsons wrote:
“…for the purpose of selecting an optimal periodic table we prefer to consider block membership as a global property in which we focus on the predominant differentiating electron.” (Scerri and Parsons 2018, p. 151).Scerri ER & Parsons W, What elements belong in Group 3 of the periodic table? In Scerri E & Restrepo G (eds) Mendeleev to Oganesson: A multidisciplinary perspective on the periodic table, pp. 140–151, Oxford University Press, New York (2018)
If we stick with something as fundamental as electron spin, we can really see how the pattern emerges across all four blocks.
Best regards,Larry T.
On 7 Feb 2026, at 01:56, 'Mario Rodriguez' via Periodic table mailing list <PT...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
I want to share a thought while travelling on a bus, especially with René
One problem is actually we don't have a clear definition of what a block is, and there are 2 options:1. We consider a block is defined by a predominant orbital throughout the period but allowing irregular starts in heavy atoms. The important feature is the overall fit should have the lowest mismatches with theoretical filling. So the f-block can start with La, Ac and Th (despite having d orbital), d-block can start in period 7 with Lr (despite having p orbital), and g-block can start from element 121 (despite also start filling a p orbital, if I remember well the predicted configurations)
2. You consider a block is defined strictly by their valence orbital. In that case, you have to consider La, Ac, and Th (altogether) makes a secondary d-block, Lr makes a secondary p block and after element 120, we wouldn't start the g-block but a kind of tertiary p block. In this case we have to redefine/redraw blocks as they are depicted nowadays.What we cannot do is making an arbitrary distinction between La and Ac (d1) case compared to Th case (d2), and also Lr (p1) and the start of g-block. Or we assume blocks have irregular starts in heavy atoms or we have to create inserted secondary and even tertiary new blocks. Otherwise it would be an arbitrary distinction between identical situations. In other words, what you consider for La and Ac, you have to consider for Th as well (and the rest). I consider La, Ac and Th are irregular starts of the f-block. Do you consider La, Ac and Th (altogether) should be in the d-block instead? Because it's the only alternative logical option.
Mario Rodríguez Peña
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On 23 Feb 2026, at 06:42, ERIC SCERRI <sce...@g.ucla.edu> wrote:
Since my work, with my former student Will Parsons, has been mentioned,The labels of blocks of elements in the periodic table (s,p,d or f) refer to the differentiating electron, not the outermost electron, nor the most energetic electron in any particular atom.
For example, take scandium. The correct configuration is [Ar] 3d1 4s2.The outermost electron is in an s-orbital, and the most energetic electron is also in an s-orbital.And yet Sc is classified as being an s-block element because the electron that differentiates it from the previous element, calcium [Ar] 4s2, is that 3d electron.The only instances where this definition breaks down is with atoms having anomalous configurations.Consider vanadium. [Ar] 3d3 4s2and chromium [Ar] 3d5 4s1.Here the difference lies both in the d orbital and well as an s orbital. The notion of differentiating electron becomes ambiguous in all 20 or so anomalous atoms.
"The changes which distinguish one element from its predecessor…may be attributed to the last electron added; this electron is referred to as the "differentiating electron."
But this does not matter, just like the violations of then + l rule don’t matter to the overall architecture of the periodic table.Chemistry deals with inexact concepts such as the n + l rule, acidity, electronegativity, aromaticity, bonding etc., etc.
Alongside these approximations, are there not exact concepts such as triads, valence, and chemical formulae (CO2 really is CO2 rather than being approximately so)? Even the n+l rule is exact on a recurring basis in that after each anomaly or sequence of such, the rule once again holds, until the occurence of the next anomaly (that's interesting behaviour for what's supposed to be an approximation).
And aren't quantum numbers themselves discrete, even if their chemical consequences are sometimes blurred?
This is why I believe that attempts to resolve the group 3 debate, for example, should be decided through broad and general philosophical or conceptual arguments rather than looking at the minutiae of the elements in question, regardless of whether they be chemical, or concerned with spectroscopic term symbols, or what have you.
"As philosophers we have a natural tendency to concentrate on generalities and not to get too involved in the specifics and the details. Above all else, this new book reminds us that such an approach needs to be tempered by a detailed knowledge of the exceptions and features that go against the simplified generalities which we so cherish."
Scerri E 2021, Book Review of Geoff Rayner-Canham: The periodic table: past present, and future, Foundations of Chemistry, vol. 23, pp. 293–295
Those words strike me as especially relevant here.
General principles matter—but don’t they work best when informed by, rather than detached from, the details?
cheers, René
On Feb 25, 2026, at 3:09 AM, René <re...@iinet.net.au> wrote:On 23 Feb 2026, at 06:42, ERIC SCERRI <sce...@g.ucla.edu> wrote:Since my work, with my former student Will Parsons, has been mentioned,The labels of blocks of elements in the periodic table (s,p,d or f) refer to the differentiating electron, not the outermost electron, nor the most energetic electron in any particular atom.Thanks Eric for confirming this approach for us. There were a couple of other points in your post that I’d appreciate some clarification on.For example, take scandium. The correct configuration is [Ar] 3d1 4s2.The outermost electron is in an s-orbital, and the most energetic electron is also in an s-orbital.And yet Sc is classified as being an s-block element because the electron that differentiates it from the previous element, calcium [Ar] 4s2, is that 3d electron.The only instances where this definition breaks down is with atoms having anomalous configurations.Consider vanadium. [Ar] 3d3 4s2and chromium [Ar] 3d5 4s1.Here the difference lies both in the d orbital and well as an s orbital. The notion of differentiating electron becomes ambiguous in all 20 or so anomalous atoms.I don’t quite see how the differentiating electron becomes “ambiguous” in anomalous atoms such as chromium. Thus:"The changes which distinguish one element from its predecessor…may be attributed to the last electron added; this electron is referred to as the "differentiating electron."Kleinberg J et al. 1960, Inorganic chemistry, DC Heath and Co., Boston, p. 62
On this basis, wouldn’t there then be six differentiating-electron discrepancies in the d-block if La is in group 3—namely Mn (s), Zn (s), Tc (s), Ag (s), Cd (s), and Hg (s)?
On 26 Feb 2026, at 04:21, ERIC SCERRI <sce...@g.ucla.edu> wrote:
For example, take scandium. The correct configuration is [Ar] 3d1 4s2.The outermost electron is in an s-orbital, and the most energetic electron is also in an s-orbital.And yet Sc is classified as being an s-block element because the electron that differentiates it from the previous element, calcium [Ar] 4s2, is that 3d electron.The only instances where this definition breaks down is with atoms having anomalous configurations.Consider vanadium. [Ar] 3d3 4s2and chromium [Ar] 3d5 4s1.Here the difference lies both in the d orbital and well as an s orbital. The notion of differentiating electron becomes ambiguous in all 20 or so anomalous atoms.I don’t quite see how the differentiating electron becomes “ambiguous” in anomalous atoms such as chromium. Thus:"The changes which distinguish one element from its predecessor…may be attributed to the last electron added; this electron is referred to as the "differentiating electron."Kleinberg J et al. 1960, Inorganic chemistry, DC Heath and Co., Boston, p. 62Could it be that Kleinberg is wrong? The last electron added to d block atoms are s-orbital electrons.He was writing in the 60s before folks like Eugen Schwarz and myself had clarified the order of electron occupation in transition metal atoms.
On 19 Feb 2026, at 02:00, Larry T. <ora...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rene,You wrote:"I agree about the pattern but it comes at the expense of letting the spin “tail” wag the dog of term symbols".You can argue that for placing La and Ac at the beginning of the block d rows, but you can't do so for the ends of the block rows, which have to end with 1S0. In this case, not only the spin, but the term symbols at the tails of the block rows wag whole blocks. So, the f-block needs to end with Yb and No 😊.
On Feb 26, 2026, at 2:55 AM, René <re...@iinet.net.au> wrote:On 26 Feb 2026, at 04:21, ERIC SCERRI <sce...@g.ucla.edu> wrote:For example, take scandium. The correct configuration is [Ar] 3d1 4s2.The outermost electron is in an s-orbital, and the most energetic electron is also in an s-orbital.And yet Sc is classified as being an s-block element because the electron that differentiates it from the previous element, calcium [Ar] 4s2, is that 3d electron.The only instances where this definition breaks down is with atoms having anomalous configurations.Consider vanadium. [Ar] 3d3 4s2and chromium [Ar] 3d5 4s1.Here the difference lies both in the d orbital and well as an s orbital. The notion of differentiating electron becomes ambiguous in all 20 or so anomalous atoms.I don’t quite see how the differentiating electron becomes “ambiguous” in anomalous atoms such as chromium. Thus:"The changes which distinguish one element from its predecessor…may be attributed to the last electron added; this electron is referred to as the "differentiating electron."Kleinberg J et al. 1960, Inorganic chemistry, DC Heath and Co., Boston, p. 62Could it be that Kleinberg is wrong? The last electron added to d block atoms are s-orbital electrons.He was writing in the 60s before folks like Eugen Schwarz and myself had clarified the order of electron occupation in transition metal atoms.Kleinberg does not seem to me to be mistaken. He was referring to the difference between the electron configurations of Z and Z + 1, rather than to differences between the configurations of ions having the same value of Z.In the case of Cr, the difference between V (3d3 4s2) and Cr (3d5 4s1) is +2d and −1s.It would therefore appear that the last electron added is a d electron. There is also a redistribution involving an s electron, but that redistribution concerns the final ground-state arrangement rather than the identity of the electron added.
La Ce Pr Nd Pm Sm Eu Gd Tb, Dy Ho Er Tm Yb LuReal d1 d1 f1 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f7 d1 f9 f10 f11 f12 f13 f14 f14 d1Starting with d1 then f d1 d1 f1 d1 f2 d1 f3 d1 f4 d1 f5 d1 f6 d1 f7 d1 f8 d1 f9 d1 f10 d1 f11 d1 f12 d1 f13 d1 f14Starting with f f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f8 f9 f10 f11 f12 f13 f14 f14 d1In Lanthanides starting with d1 and then f has 11 mismatches, whereas starting wifh f has 3 mismatches.Ac Th Pa U Np Pu Am Cm Bk, Cf Es Fm Md No LrReal d1 d2 d1 f2 d1 f3 d1 f4 f6 f7 f7 d1 f9 f10 f11 f12 f13 f14 f14 p1Starting with d1 then f d1 d1 f1 d1 f2 d1 f3 d1 f4 d1 f5 d1 f6 d1 f7 d1 f8 d1 f9 d1 f10 d1 f11 d1 f12 d1 f13 d1 f14Starting with f f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f8 f9 f10 f11 f12 f13 f14 f14 d1In Actinides starting with d1 and then f has 10 mismatches, whereas starting wifh f has 7 mismatches.I think it is clear which approach provides the better overall fit,Mario RP
On 27 Feb 2026, at 04:06, ERIC SCERRI <sce...@g.ucla.edu> wrote:
OK. Let’s just agree to disagree.To me difference means either adding or subtracting!I think the move from V to Cr is therefore ambiguous regarding where the difference takes place since it is both in d and s orbitals.In any case why does this matter?
On 27 Feb 2026, at 08:23, Mario Rodriguez <mavo...@yahoo.es> wrote:
Hi René,I love travelling because it “forces” me to step away from duties and gives me unhurried time to think, something that’s rare in the life of a lecturer. Even though I’m sure we won’t convince each other on this topic, I’d like to share a few concise points.
Th can be seen as an "ideological Trojan horse" for Ac. If one accepts that Th (d²) can be placed in the f-block without having any electron in an f orbital, then the preceding logical element (d¹) can be placed there as well and, logically, must be.
Your current classification of Ac (d¹) in the d-block and Th (d²) in the f-block is mainly because the element above Th, Ce, is not d², and including La, Ac, and Th altogether in the d-block would look awkward and aesthetically unappealing.
Hence, the solution becomes to declare, somewhat arbitrarily, that Ac (d¹) is d-block because it has a d electron, while Th (d²) is an “irregular” f-block element because it has d electrons.
The logical reasoning would be or both irregular in the f-block o both regular in the d-block.
I was also surprised when you said (I think to Larry) that it is “logical” for an f-block to lie between d¹ and d². There is, in fact, no f-block between Ac (d¹) and Th (d²).
At the same time, in your response to Eric, you praised the validity of the n + l rule. According to that rule, there is no d¹ stage between filling the s and f orbitals: the sequence is simply s → f → d.
What I meant by “The important feature is the overall fit should have the lowest mismatches with theoretical filling” refers to the table I already sent you, which has not been falsified yet…In Lanthanides starting with d1 and then f has 11 mismatches, whereas starting with f has 3 mismatches…In Actinides starting with d1 and then f has 10 mismatches, whereas starting with f has 7 mismatches.
I think it is clear which approach provides the better overall fit.