



Dear Scott,
Wow! What a panoramic vista of science you present! Your view is corroborated by Solms & Friston´s latest interpretation of Freud using the analogy between information and thermodynamics. There are now popular, accessible accounts of this by Mark Solms [1] and PCW Davies [2] who show that Maxwell´s demon is the Markov [3] blanket, viz. the “atom” of homœostasis or Lenz´s “atom of inertia” [4]. As Kant [5] observed, we (our physical brains) created all this!
Your “Working Chemistry” variation is excellent and further improved by Scerri´s relocation of Arima (& Iachello)´s H - He pair (and its group analogues, the halogens and the inert gases) on the left so that the sp-block beyond remains intact with their d- and f- subgroups falling felicitously in corresponding columns (Leach´s database, PT 1279: https://www.meta-synthesis.com/webbook/35_pt/pt_database.php?PT_id=1279
Back at the level of “messy” chemistry, there seems to be a convergence between Brauner´s [6] internal periodicity and Kibler´s [7,8] SO(4,2) X SU(2) PT. Interesting is the naturally arising division of the ten d-elements into 4+6 and the 14 f-elements into 6+8. The f-division yields the geochemical phenomenon of the division of the rare earths into “ceric” and “yttric” earths, viz. La-Sa and Eu-Yb:
It would appear the d-equivalent is Sc-Cr and Mn-Zn:

But I´m not clear whether this is so. Is there any division of d- analogous to the division of f- into ceric and yttric earths?
In both cases, the divisions yield internal mini-triads:
For f-, 7-triads: La-Gd-Lu, Ce-Tb-Hf, Pr-Dy-Ta, Nd-Ho-W, Pm-Er-Re, Sa-Tu-Os (or Cs-Sa-Tu), Ba-Eu-Yb (or Eu-Yb-Pt).
For d-, 5-triads: Sc-Fe-Ga, Ti-Co-Ge, V-Ni-As, Cr-Cu-Se (or K-Cr-Cu), Ca-Mn-Zn (or Mn-Zn-Br).
Is there any chemical validity in such observations?
John
REFS:
1. Solms M: “The Hidden Spring” Profile Books, London 2021
2. Davies PCW: “The Demon in the Machine” Penguin Books, London 2019
3. Markov AA: “Распространение закона больших челноков на величины, зависящие друг от друга” Proc. Maths-Phys. Soc. Kazan, 1906, 2: 155-156
4. Lenz HFE: "Über die Bestimmung der Richtung der durch elektodynamische Vertheilung erregten galvanischen Ströme” Annalen der Physik und Chemie 1834, 107: 483–494
5. Kant I: “Kritik der reinen Vernunft” Johann Friedrich Hartknoch, Riga 1781
6. Brauner B: “Über die Stellung der Elemente der seltenen Erden im periodischen System”, Z. f. Elektroch. 1908, 14: 525-527
7. Kibler M: “Classifying Chemical Elements” ex. DH Rouvray & RB King: “The Periodic Table into the 21st century”, Proc. 2nd Int. Conf. on the Periodic Table 2003 1, 11: 313-314. Research Publishing, Baldock 2004
8. Kibler M: “A Group-Theoretical Approach to the Periodic Table” ex. DH Rouvray & RB King: “The Mathematics of the Periodic Table”, Proc. 2nd Int. Conf. on the Periodic Table 2003 2, 11: 251-252. Nova Science, New York 2004






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Checked to see if other authors had used Group Theory to create Periodic Tables.M. Kibler's Group Theory Periodic Table, based on SO(4,2) ⨁ SU(2) and without the Iachello contraction, does not continue Madelung's Rule and Van den Broek-Moseley atomic numbering starting with the octet gas element 18 (Ar):


Checked to see if other authors had used Group Theory to create Periodic Tables.M. Kibler's Group Theory Periodic Table, based on SO(4,2) ⨁ SU(2) and without the Iachello contraction, does not continue Madelung's Rule and Van den Broek-Moseley atomic numbering starting with the octet gas element 18 (Ar):




On Nov 19, 2025, at 2:29 PM, Scott Hutcheon <scotth...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks John,As per above (10,000-hour rule), I would ask René, who is much more the Expert for your question about the earths and chemical property periodicities and trends than I'll ever be.Yes, I'm warming up to the 2025 Split-Symmetry Periodic Table (SSPT-34), as the Cosmology version of the interconverted series (equivalent/cylinder wraparounds) especially after realizing (today) that, per the RSPT paper, the complete shells of the He-Octet Gases 'ending' each Period makes a lot more sense than placing He (1s2) over p6 Octet Gases.Per the RSPT paper, the conflation of the Duplet Rule (Helium) and Octet Rule is entirely artificial -- especially considering there are 10 additional element orbital/charge densities between 3s/4s and Kr/Xe and 24 extra between 6s/6s and Ra/Og (rendering the Octet rule meaningless).A. Require shifting p-periods for interconversion -- non-expected/untraditional GroupsSSPT-34 Group Theory interconversion
- 2-8-8-18-18-32-32 | 7 Periods
- Precisely follows Madelung Rule
- Döbereiner-Scerri vertical triads for all but H-He
- Supported by astronomy/Emergent Universe evolution/Iachello
- Supported by inert gases as end of Periods/filled orbitals/charge densities
- Rang-Vernon B-Al-Sc-Y-La-Ac extended properties Group
- RSPT Column of Instability, though extended here to include reactive F and Cl
- Van den Broek-Moseley continuous atomic numbering
- Interconverts with the CSPT-32/Working Chemist variation
<Interconverted PTs r2 - triads.png>STPT-32 Triadic interconversion
- 2-8-8-18-18-32-32 | 7 Period
- Follows Madelung Rule with artificial gaps (versus Van den Broek-Moseley)
- Schwarz backbone H-Halogens/He-Octets/Alkalis/Alkalines (wraparound)
- Döbereiner-Scerri vertical triads for 100% of elements
- Rang-Vernon B-Al-Sc-Y-La-Ac extended properties Group
- RSPT Column of Instability
- Supported by inert gases as end of Periods/filled orbitals/charge densities
- Interconverts with the CSPT-32/Working Chemist variation
<Interconverted PTs r2 - triads6.png>
B. Require shifting s- and p-periods for interconversion -- non-expected/untraditional Periods
RSPT-32 Cosmology interconversion
- 2(1-1)-2-8-18-18-32-32-6 | 7 Periods
- Supported by astronomy/Emergent Universe evolution
- Schwarz backbone H-Halogens/He-Octets/Alkalis/Alkalines
- Döbereiner-Scerri vertical triads for all but B-C-N-O
- Standard p-Groups
- RSPT Column of Instability
- Van den Broek-Moseley continuous atomic numbering
- Interconverts with the CSPT-32/Working Chemist variation
<Interconverted PTs r2 - triads3.png>
SHPT-34 Broken Octet interconversion
- 8-8-18-18-32-32-2 | 7 Periods
- Schwarz backbone H-Halogens/He-Octets/Alkalis/Alkalines
- Döbereiner-Scerri vertical triads for all but B-C-N-O
- Standard p-Groups
- RSPT Column of Instability
- Interconverts with the CSPT-32/Working Chemist variation
<Interconverted PTs r2 - triads2.png>
RTPT-32 Triadic interconversion
- 8-8-18-18-32-32-2 | 7 Periods
- Schwarz backbone H-Halogens/He-Octets/Alkalis/Alkalines
- Döbereiner-Scerri vertical triads for 100% of elements
- Rang-Vernon B-Al-Sc-Y-La-Ac extended properties Group
- RSPT Column of Instability
- Van den Broek-Moseley continuous atomic numbering
- Interconverts with the CSPT-32/Working Chemist variation
<Interconverted PTs r2 - triads5.png>
C. Working Chemist variation for researchers and experimenters
Corrected Standard Periodic Table (CSPT-32) -- aka Working Chemist variation
- 2-8-8-18-18-32-32 | 7 Periods
- Schwarz backbone H-Halogens/He-Octets/Alkalis/Alkalines (wraparound)
- Döbereiner-Scerri vertical triads for all but B-C-N-O
- RSPT Column of Instability
- Supported by inert gases as end of Periods/filled orbitals/charge densities
- Least modified and most familiar in both 32- and 18-column formats
<Interconverted PTs r2 - triads7.png>
While of all the above recent work, the Split-Symmetry might be the best fit for Corrected Cosmology/Group Theory, it breaks many traditional chemistry Groups (at least at standard temps and pressures).
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2025 at 7:25 AM johnmarks9 <johnm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Scott,
Wow! What a panoramic vista of science you present! Your view is corroborated by Solms & Friston´s latest interpretation of Freud using the analogy between information and thermodynamics. There are now popular, accessible accounts of this by Mark Solms [1] and PCW Davies [2] who show that Maxwell´s demon is the Markov [3] blanket, viz. the “atom” of homœostasis or Lenz´s “atom of inertia” [4]. As Kant [5] observed, we (our physical brains) created all this!
Your “Working Chemistry” variation is excellent and further improved by Scerri´s relocation of Arima (& Iachello)´s H - He pair (and its group analogues, the halogens and the inert gases) on the left so that the sp-block beyond remains intact with their d- and f- subgroups falling felicitously in corresponding columns (Leach´s database, PT 1279: https://www.meta-synthesis.com/webbook/35_pt/pt_database.php?PT_id=1279
Back at the level of “messy” chemistry, there seems to be a convergence between Brauner´s [6] internal periodicity and Kibler´s [7,8] SO(4,2) X SU(2) PT. Interesting is the naturally arising division of the ten d-elements into 4+6 and the 14 f-elements into 6+8. The f-division yields the geochemical phenomenon of the division of the rare earths into “ceric” and “yttric” earths, viz. La-Sa and Eu-Yb:
<image_2025-11-17_151746268.png>
It would appear the d-equivalent is Sc-Cr and Mn-Zn:
<image_2025-11-17_151835784.png>
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