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On Feb 15, 2026, at 8:54 AM, johnmarks9 <johnm...@hotmail.com> wrote:Dear Eric,I humbly suggest the word "essence" (from Latin esse "to be", "to exist") may be what you (and Doug Templeton) are looking for, for Mendeleyev´s "basic substance" and "element" for Lavoisier´s "simple substance".
"Substance" applies to anything, usually solid, from wood to lava and Lavoisier chose "element" as first principle of matter, following Boyle and the Ancients. Lavoisier used "element" in this sense, replacing the five elements of antiquity.
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In fact almost every author has suggested an alternative terminology. I was one talked into using the terms element-1 and element-2 by the then editor of Philosophy of Science, Noretta Koertge.The late Joe Earley one said “simple substance” as used by Paneth is neither simple, nor a substance.Here is what he suggested for terminology.
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And so it goes on.I personally quite like essence for the abstract sense of element but then people will object by saying that this implies buying into the philosophy of essentialism, which would open up another can of worms.To conclude, I don’t think the terminology matters all that much. What does, is that chemistry has a metaphysical underbelly, a metaphysical aspect which admits such concepts as the abstract nature of elements. This is something that ‘regular chemists’ find difficult to appreciate since they operate on a highly empiricist basis. This is why the philosophy of chemistry has taken so long to get off the ground.Most chemists dont see the value of philosophy of chemistry.The person who responds to my article in Chemistry International is basically saying that we don't need to include talk of the abstract nature of elements in the Gold Book definition.I enclose the preface and introductory chapter from the book I co-dited, entitled, “What is a Chemical Element” which contains 14 chapters, each with its own particular take on this question.
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The essence of an element is that which is essential wherever that element is found in compounds, allotropes, isotopes or, indeed, anywhere. It seems necessary to retain "element" as distinct from "substance" since all substances are composed of elements but elements are distinctive substances, a natural kind, each composed of identical atomic number.So "simple substance" is renamed "element""Basic substance" is renamed "essence" or ´elemental essence´ or ´essence of the element` under discussion.In general, "hydrogen" would refer to the element and "H" to its essence.Regards,JohnOn Saturday, February 14, 2026 at 7:39:57 PM UTC+1 scerri wrote:
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Dear Eric,
Thanks for the thoughtful reply and the interesting excerpt from "What is an Element?"Before tackling the question, it is remarkable that a word "element" having two distinct meanings, is an issue at all. English manages without debate "sole" as having three meanings: 1) single, 2) a fish (Solea solea) and 3) the underside of the foot or of a boot worn on a foot.
So Earley agreed that Paneth´s "basic substance" was neither basic nor a substance and agreed that Lavoisier´s elements are substances - and that they are simple in the sense that they are not compound. I sympathize with the "jobbing chemist" in his disdain for what seem to him scholastic quibbles but I am impressed with Philip Ball´s foreword to "What is an Element?"The past is a foreign country and each generation must find its own words or repurpose older ones. While "essence" has whiffs of the "essentialism" of classical philosophy, modern usage in ´the essence of beauty, of courage, of love´, etc., etc., is more metaphorical and eschews any material basis, concentrating on behaviour. Essences are noumenal in the Kantian sense, which was Mendeleyev´s argument.
In Mendeleyev´s and Paneth´s distinction of "basic substance", they are highlighting the surprising behaviour of atoms, especially in compounds but also as allotropes or in their subtle variations as isotopes. In this sense, the modern usage of essence corresponds better to the idea of basic substance. By contrast, modern usage of "element", exemplified by collections of samples in display cases, corresponds to modern usage of "simple" as uncomplicated, not compound and therefore to Lavoisier´s simple substances.
Ball is certainly right that this discussion is useful, sometimes essential, in an ever-changing world. But it is often the meaning of words that shift and, whatever they meant in past times, essence now means the idea of something unchanging (in this case Moseley´s Z) whether in elements or compounds.Elements are the final attainment of chemical analysis (Lavoisier). Atomic number remains the essential constant, unchanged in a chemical reaction (Moseley´s update of Mendeleyev).Dalton presciently noted this.In your answers to the "Open Questions Concerning the Two Senses of Element", in your answer to the first, "How Are the Two Senses of Element Related to Each Other?", you write "Perhaps element-2 [Grundstoff] can be thought of as subsisting within element-1[einfacher Stoff] in the sense that the essence of an element might be contained within the more tangible and sensible aspect of element, or element-1 . . ." You are using "essence" in its current sense!
In answer to the second question, you aver that Lavoisier continued to believe in the abstract concept of element as the bearer of properties or as a principle. This is von Hartmann´s transcendental realism espoused by Hendry.
It also corresponds to current usage of "essence".
H is the essence of the element hydrogen. Q.E.D.JohnOn Monday, February 16, 2026 at 4:42:40 PM UTC+1 ericscerri123 wrote:Thanks for your suggestion and comments, John.On Feb 15, 2026, at 8:54 AM, johnmarks9 <johnm...@hotmail.com> wrote:Dear Eric,I humbly suggest the word "essence" (from Latin esse "to be", "to exist") may be what you (and Doug Templeton) are looking for, for Mendeleyev´s "basic substance" and "element" for Lavoisier´s "simple substance".The trouble is that “element” was originally used, and has has traditionally been used, for the abstract sense rather than the concrete sense.Given a choice of which of the two senses the word element should be associated, I believe most people who have discussed this issue would opt for the abstract sense."Substance" applies to anything, usually solid, from wood to lava and Lavoisier chose "element" as first principle of matter, following Boyle and the Ancients. Lavoisier used "element" in this sense, replacing the five elements of antiquity.If we need to go etymological, please bear in mind that the literal meaning of substance is that which lies underneath. So in one sense “substance" could be used to designate the abstract element which lies beyond, or under, the more concrete and mundane sense.Terminology has been a big issue in the literature.I used the words simple substance and basic substance because they are translations of Einfacherstoff and Grundstoff used by Paneth who revived the issue some 100 years ago. The English translation has generally been attributed to his son Heinz Paneth (later Heinz Post and my PhD advisor in London).But as I learned from an article by Conal Boyce, a former member of this forum, these words first came from Paneth’s daughter Eva Paneth who translated an earlier Paneth article on “element".Conal Boyce’s article is well worth reading and readily available online from the now defunct journal Hyle,Boyce suggests using the words substance and element respectively forEinfacherstoff. and Grundstoff
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