on Berhampur-Rayagada-Koraput are good candidates for the IIT ?

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Manoj Padhi

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Apr 6, 2008, 6:01:44 AM4/6/08
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Dear Readers:
Here is a reply from Prof. Rao.
-FYC-
 
-Manoj Padhi

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From: D. Tripati Rao <>
Date: Apr 6, 2008 4:22 AM
Subject: on Berhampur-Rayagada-Koraput are good candidates for the IIT ?
To: Manoj Padhi <manoj...@gmail.com>

 
Dear Sri Manoj,
 
This apprehension is to some extent is there. But that applies to Berhampure and Rayagada too. And more  for Burla. Not much difference between Koraput and Berhampure. But my optmism rests on rather on the long term perspective/development.
 
Given the information technology, rail and road connectivity, and Koraput's proximity to Vishakhapatnam and Berhampur, I am very sure in the coming decade this apprehension won't stand strong. Morever, many great acadmecians who hail from Orissa would love to be comeback. What matters most is a vibrant campus, world class infrastructure, CONDUCIVE WORK ENVRIONMENT (free from any influence!!! this is most important which need to be carefully cultivated from the beginning).
 
Rest assured that someone like me also will join!
 
N.B. Since I am not a member of orrissagroup, my mails have bounced back. you may circulate my observations to all including the earlier one pasted below.
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I agree that either Berhampure-Rayagada-Koraput are good candidates for set=
ting up the new IIT. In fact, the later one, Koraput, besides being rich in=
mineral resources and having some of the biggest PSEs - NALCO and HAL and =
other minings, is the most backward region as well as like any KBK region i=
s the most neglected one. Since now it is well connected with state highway=
and railways, it is better suits for the new IIT. The new IIT can both uti=
lise and offer its services to NALCO, HAL and other upcoming mining industr=
y in a big way be it aeronautical engg or mechanical engg. or minning
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Sincerely,
Prof. Rao

______________ 
Dr. D. Tripati Rao
Associate Professor
Business Environment Group
Indian Institute of Management Lucknow
Lucknow 226 013, U.P.
Ph: + 91 0522 - 2736622 (Off), 2736421 (Res)
EPABX - 2734111-20, Fax: 2734005
E-mail: tri...@iiml.ac.in & dtrip...@yahoo.com


----- Original Message ----
From: Manoj Padhi <manoj...@gmail.com>
To: D. Tripati Rao <dtrip...@yahoo.com>
Cc: orissatoday <Oriss...@googlegroups.com>; or...@lists.cs.columbia.edu
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2008 2:33:49 PM
Subject: Re: Berhampur-Rayagada-Koraput are good candidates for the IIT ?

Respected Dr. Rao:
 
Thanks for your valuable opinion.
 
A question, rather an apprehension is raised by various intellectuals that , reputed faculties may not prefer to relocate in KBK region because of lack of facilities for their family.
 
Since you belong to the category of  elite academicians, would you like to let us know, whether such an apprehension can become a reality ?
 
Because if this is a genuine deciding factor for IIT/IIM  faculties, then we may get an IIT in Koraput, but without good professors, it might end up as an ordinary engineering college.
 
Your opinions are welcome.
 
Thanks
Manoj Padhi 

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From: D. Tripati Rao
Date: Apr 6, 2008 3:49 AM
Subject: Berhampur-Rayagada-Koraput are good candidates for the IIT ?
To: Manoj Padhi <manoj...@gmail.com>

 
I do agree that for long the south-orissa region has been neglected. Either Berhampure or Rayagada or or Koraput are good candidates for the new IIT. In fact, the later one, Koraput, besides being the most backward regions can be most suitable place in the sense that since most of the mining industries are upcoming and since already NALCO and HAL are under operation, the IIT can both contribute and utilise these services be it Aeronautical Engg.or Mechanical or Mining.
 
Sincerely,
Prof. Rao
 
______________ 
Dr. D. Tripati Rao
Associate Professor
Business Environment Group
Indian Institute of Management Lucknow
Lucknow 226 013, U.P.
Ph: + 91 0522 - 2736622 (Off), 2736421 (Res)
EPABX - 2734111-20, Fax: 2734005
E-mail: tri...@iiml.ac.in & dtrip...@yahoo.com


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From: Manoj Padhi <manoj...@gmail.com>
To: Darshan Patra <dpa...@yahoo.com>; surjy...@rediffmail.com; ind...@ori.nic.in; he...@ori.nic.in; "c...@ori.nic.in" <c...@ori.nic.in>; chief secretary orissa <cs...@ori.nic.in>
 
 orissatoday <Oriss...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2008 3:27:18 AM
Subject: Why Berhampur-Chatrapur-Gopalpur region is best location and the natural choice for the IIT ?

 
Respected Sir(s):
 
The Advantages of Berhampur location is well drafted by Shri Tripathy.
 
How well connected Berhampur is to the rest of India, I am giving a picture here.Even there are now direct Trains to Delhi.
 
The pollution free sea-shore climate makes it more pleasent study place like "GuruKuL". Students can relax & read.
 
I urge all law makers of Orissa and people of Orissa to go through the points and make a unanimous decision to zero down at Berhampur. 
 
 
 

TRAIN TIMINGS AT BERHAMPUR RAILWAY STATION

BERHAMPUR STATION  (UP) TRAIN TIME

 

UP

TRAIN FROM           -        TO NAME /DAY

ARR.

DEP.

2841

Howrah-Chennai (Cormandal Exp.)

00:05

00:07

2663

Howrah –Tirushinapalli (Mon.Fri)

01:38

01:40

5630

Guwhati-Chennai Egmore (Sun)

01:38

01:40

5930

Dibrugrah-Chennai (Wed)

01:38

01:40

2665

Howrah-kanyakumari(Tues)

01:38

01:40

2863

Howrah-yeswantpur

05:50

05:55

8563

BBSR-Bangalore(prasanti)

07:00

07:05

2847

Howrah-Vascodagama (Tues, Wed, Fri, Sun)

08:55

08:57

2603

Howrah-chenni (mail)

09:10

09:15

8411

BBSR-Vizag (intercity)(except sun)

09:05

09:10

2845

BBSR-Yeswantapur (Sun)

09:35

09:37

5228

Muzfarpur-Yeswantpur (Tues)

09:35

09:37

6310

Patna-Erankulam (Fri, Sat)

09:35

09:37

6324

Howrah-Tiruvantapur(Mon,Wed)

09:35

09:37

2660

Howrah-Nagarcoil (Thu)

09:35

09:37

2508

Guwhati-Coachin(Sat)

10:38

10:40

2510

Guwhati-Bangalore (Mon,Tues,Wed)

10:38

10:40

2514

Guwhati-secnderabab (Fri)

10:38

10:40

2516

Guwhati-tirvandrum (Thu)

10:38

10:40

7015

BBSR-Secndebad (Visakha)

10:49

10:54

8401

Puri-Okha (Sun)

12:10

12:20

217

Puri-Palasa

13:05

13:10

2830

BBSR-Chennai (Fri)

13:55

14:00

2898

BBSR-Pondicherry (Tue)

13:55

14:00

7479

Puri-Tirupati (Ex Tue, Sat)

16:05

16:10

2703

Howrah-Secundrebad (Falaknama)

16:40

16:45

1020

BBSR-Mumbai (Konark)

17:40

17:50

8508

Amritsat-Visakhapatnam (Mon, Tue, Fri)

19:05

19:10

2843

Puri-Ahamadabad (Tue, Thu, Sat)

21:15

21:25

8645

Howrah-Hyderabad (East-cost)

22:30

22:35

8447

BBSR-Koraput (Hirakhanda Exp.)

22:45

22:50

 

 

 

PASSENGER  TRAIN

 

UP

TRAIN FROM           -        TO NAME /DAY

ARR.

DEP.

DMU-5

Cuttack-Palasa

20:50

21:00

233A

Cuttack-Brahmapur

21:30

Xxx

219

BBSR-Palasa

22:00

22:05

BERHAMPUR STATION (UP) TRAIN TIME

 

 

 

 

 

BERHAMPUR STATION  (DOWN) TRAIN TIME

 

Down

TRAIN FROM           -            TO NAME /DAY

ARR.

DEP.

6309

Ernakulam-Patna Exp. (Wed. Thu)

00:05

00:07

2513

Secunderabad-Guwahati (Mon)

00:05

00:07

2509

Bangalore-Gowhati Exp. (Fri, Sat, Sun)

00:05

00:07

2515

Trivendruam-Guwhati Exp. (Tue)

00:05

00:07

1019

Mumbai-BBSR Konark Exp.

01:40

01:50

2842

Chennai-Howrah (Cormandal Exp.)

02:25

02:27

5227

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Manoj Padhi

viswas tripathy

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Apr 7, 2008, 3:55:26 AM4/7/08
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When Orissa demanded a NISER or I.I.T and C.U sighting deprivation of the state in higher education institutions, did we become anti-Indian? So, why people want to put it under carpets and brush it aside when it comes to the same inside our own state. Why it is being made out that talking about a particular place is not in the interest of the state? I believe a time has come when Orissa should also think about a balanced and just distribution of institutions for higher studies by proposing the names of left-out regions and places though ensuring a reasonable amount of infrastructure and security concerns need to be kept at the back of our mind . A healthy discussion on this subject should be encouraged rather than shying away from discussion over the issue.
I posted a topic for south orissa in the post-railway budget discussion on the distribution of resources for railway infrastructure in our state. Of the 933 crores earmarked for Orissa (which I feel should have been more), the southern region got 15 crores (10 crore for Naupada-Gunupur and 5 crore for Rayagada-Koraput) or 2% of the total fund allocated for the state and that too for a region which is supposed to be at the bottom of railway infrastructure. I don't know how others percieve it, but it will be criminal if knowingly I shut up my mouth. If speaking on this is what called as not in the interest of the state, I feel we have got it all wrong.
viswas
 
 

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chitta

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Apr 7, 2008, 10:04:18 AM4/7/08
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Viswas:

There were 5 IISERs, 8 IITs and 30 central universities in play. So
asking one for Orissa, even if it may not be as competitive a location
will not have that much of an impact on India as a whole.

There is only one IIT for Orissa. So its location and its success/
failure will have a huge impact on Orissa.

A proper discussion on the location can only happen if people are
willing to think beyond their home town or home district. Some are but
others are not. Many don't care whether the IIT becomes a third rate
institution because of a poor location, as long as it is in their
preferred place (for whatever reasons). That is why I am afraid of
joining this debate. There are also many people who did not do much
when some of us (you, Manoj, etc.) were campaigning hard for an IIT.
Now they want it in their backyard. Who am I to tell people your home
town is not a good location. Many will not be objective and will come
up with all kinds of logic and it will just create unnecessary
strife.

After seeing this, even though I have some thoughts on possible
locations, I was trying to stay out of
debating about specific locations. Where ever it happens in Orissa, I
am happy, and I will support it; I will not join one group or other
who are campaigning for their home town or campaigning that the
institution they graduated from becomes an IIT so that they can call
themselves an IIT graduate. (They won't say that in public of course.)

If one wants to seriously discuss a location he/she has to start from
the criteria of a good location and then use those criteria to narrow
down the location.

Following that one can start from the existing known locations of
other IITs and think about where in Orissa can an IIT be competitive
with these locations. Otherwise Orissa will only have an institution
that is called an IIT but that will in reality be worse than many
NITs.

From that list they probably should eliminate the Bhubaneswar area as
it already is flush with many upcoming and existing institutions;
especially since it is getting a world-class central university.

[Below I give the locations of the existing IITs. Think for yourselves
which location can compete with them for faculty.
Think about if some non-Oriya gets an offer from an IIT in Orissa in
location X and some of the other IITs where will that person go.
Otherwise the faculty in IIT Orissa will be either Oriyas or non-
Oriyas who could not get a position in any of the other IITs (may be
except IIT Patna). Start from there. ]

Next issue: Undergraduate students in an IIT will come from all over
India. However at the graduate level more local population can get in
through various schemes. One must think which locations in Orissa will
lend to more people from Orissa availing the opportunity to pursue a
graduate degree? If an IIT is established in one of those locations
then it will have a big impact in Orissa. [Hint: Engineering college
faculty are encouraged to pursue M.Tech and Ph.D. If they are more
qualified it has impact on their colleges. Where are those colleges in
Orissa? There are 51 such colleges now and at least 29 more are in the
pipeline. Which location outside of Bhubaneswar will allow these
college teachers to pursue M.tech/Ph.D easily?]

etc.

(Perhaps one additional data-point may make some people more
objective: Orissa will get 1 of the 20 new IIITs, and for that a
location has been mentioned publicly by Mr.Chandrasekhar Sahu. Since
most states already have IIITs in their major cities, my guess is that
the new IIITs in other states will not be in their major cities.)

cheers
Chitta

The existing IITs and IISc and their locations are:
* IIT Bombay, in a metro and the capital of Maharashtra
* IIT Madras, in a metro and the capital of Tamilnadu
* IIT Kharagpur, in Kharagpur (popln. 500,000), 116 kms from the
Kolkata metro area and the capital of West Bengal
* IIT Kanpur, in a metropolitan area (Kanpur's population is 3.4
million), and 77 kms, from Lucknow (population 2.9 million), the
capital of UP
* IIT Roorkee, 55 kms from Dehradun (population 709,240), the capital
of Uttarakhand
* IIT Guwahati, in a metropolitan area (population 1 million), the
capital of Assam
* IIT Delhi, in a metro and the capital of India
* IISc Bangalore, in a metro, and the capital of Karnataka

In regards to the proposed IITs, some of their locations have been
announced. Those are:

* IIT Hyderabad, in Medak district adjacent to Hyderabad, the capital
of Andhra Pradesh
(60 kms from the Hyderabad airport)
* IIT Patna, between Bihta and Koliwar, less than 50 kms from Patna
airport; Patna (population 2.5 million) is the capital of Bihar
* IIT Indore, in the metropolitan area of Indore which has an IIM.
(Population of Indore is 2 million; it has an airport with Air
Deccan, Indian, Jet, Jetlite and Kingfisher flying to it.)
* IIT Varanasi, in the metropolitan area of Varanasi (population 1.5
million, has an international airport with Spice Jet, Indian, Jet and
Kingfisher, Air India and Cosmic Air flying to it), has BHU








On Apr 7, 12:55 am, viswas tripathy <viswasforberham...@yahoo.co.in>
wrote:
> When Orissa demanded a NISER or I.I.T and C.U sighting deprivation of the state in higher education institutions, did we become anti-Indian?

.

Prasanna Mishra

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Dear Chitta Babu

I liked your analysis. I am sure the IIT, as and
when it comes would be located at the most appropriate place.We may at
this stage concentrate on its early establishment. The state
government will have a major role on the location of the IIT as it is
they who would have to make available adequate land for it.

Regards
Prasanna Mishra

Manoj Padhi

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Dear Readers:

I have forwarded Shri Tripathy's arguements to CMO; message has reached CMO

Please click
Establishment of the recently announced Greenfield IIT for Orissa at Berhampur
and see - How the endorsement is going on.

-Manoj Padhi

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