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Dear Kashyap


I've copied an email you sent a few days ago inquiring into the connection of Vedanta to the nature of consciousness and quantum physics. I've also copied my reply to you and a reply to Vinod about the issue of ontology. I'd like to keep this conversation going due to your interest in Advaita, which is the only way to understand these connections.


By the way, the holographic principle supersedes quantum theory since it is a way of unifying quantum theory with relativity theory. To my knowledge, it is the only logically consistent geometric mechanism of unification, as Amanda Gefter has argued as she surveys the landscape of modern physics in her recent book Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn. All the other responses to your question I've seen do not seem to take unification into account, and are based on archaic arguments about quantum theory that date back to almost a century ago. As Amanda argues in her book, the unification of quantum theory with relativity theory has the nature of a geometric mechanism rather than a set of master equations or a theory of everything. We call this geometric mechanism the holographic principle. To put it in the context of the big bang creation event, as dark energy is expended, which is the accelerated expansion of space that arises in relativity theory with a positive cosmological constant and expands relative to the central point of view of an observer, a cosmic horizon arises that surrounds the observer and limits the observer's observations of things in space.


If we apply non-commutative geometry to the observer's horizon, position coordinates on the horizon are no longer a continuum, but are quantized in a pixelated way, where the pixel size is about a Planck area. Position coordinates on the horizon are now represented by a finite number of bits of information, which typically arise as the n eigenvalues of an SU(n) matrix, where the number of pixels is given in terms of the horizon surface area A as n=A/4(Planck area). Each pixel encodes a bit of information. In this way, the observer's cosmic horizon becomes a holographic screen. The observer's space-time geometry is then a holographic projection from the screen to the observer's central point of view. The observer's holographic screen has a temperature and appears to emit thermal radiation called Hawking radiation. Ted Jacobson has shown that Einstein's field equations for the space-time metric, which dynamically describe that space-time geometry, naturally arise from the holographic principle as a thermal average or a thermodynamic equation of state that is only valid as a low energy limit near thermal equilibrium.


All the quantum fields of the standard model of particle physics then arise from Einstein's field equations for the space-time metric as extra components of the space-time metric though the usual unification mechanisms of super-symmetry and the Kaluza-Klein mechanism of extra compactified dimensions of space. We finally end up with something that looks like the quantum theory of particles, but the logical progression is the expression of dark energy that gives rise to a cosmic horizon and non-commutative geometry that implies the holographic principle, which implies Einstein's field equations as a low energy limit that is valid only as a thermal average, which implies the standard model of particle physics through the usual unification mechanisms.


The big question is why is dark energy expended in the first place? What exists before dark energy is expended? Why do we have a big bang creation event? Why all of these geometric mechanisms that finally give rise to a world of space and time that appears to be filled with particles that are described by quantum theory? The holographic principle seems to tell us that this is all a big illusion, since this apparent world of space, time, matter and energy is all a holographic projection from the observer's holographic screen to the observer's central point of view. It even seems that this holographic projection is animated over a sequence of screen outputs, like the animated images of a movie the observer is watching on a screen. All the debate about the quantum nature of observation is about the nature of a screen output.


The copied emails below try to answer these questions in the spirit of Advaita. In a fundamental way, Advaita is about what exists before the world is created. Until we confront these questions, it would seem to me all other questions are irrelevant. In the spirit of the famous Einstein quote "I want to know the mind of God; the rest are mere details".


To: Dr. Robert Boyer and other interested readers,

Dear Robert,

Please feel free to call me kashyap. Recently my name was added to this google group. I am a retired physics professor and like you have been interested in physics, Vedanta and consciousness. For consciousness I am in the initial learning stage. I do not have any ‘pet theory’ on consciousness! I have been glancing at your interesting papers.  I may have some questions after I read your papers carefully. But here is one question which comes to my mind immediately.

Do you believe from your Vedic model that Bohm’s model about explicate and implicate order is essentially correct?

I should say that purely from physics point of view, Bohm’s interpretation is not doing well. It is true that in spite of 90 years debate about interpretation of quantum physics, there is no consensus on the issue of interpretation. But there have been polls amongst physicists about various interpretations. Usually Copenhagen interpretation gets top votes (not majority though) and Bohm’s theory gets practically zero votes. Admittedly, science should not be done by popularity contests! But the fact remains that Bohm’s theory has serious problems with theory of relativity and its insistence on particle trajectories being real. So overwhelming number of physicists do not agree with the model. This would include recent attempts to restore Bohm’s model.

As I see it, majority of physicists believe in non-real interpretation of quantum physics. This was clear from 1920s when wave-particle duality was accepted. But more recently, experiments based on Bell’s theorem have made it clear that particles do not have any (real) properties before they are measured. In this context, Einstein, the greatest scientist ever born, was most likely wrong! This is mentioned in my recent article “Concepts of Reality in Hinduism and Buddhism from the perspective of a physicist”. I have posted it on this blog, sometime back. I will appreciate your comments on it when you have time to read it. It seems to me that Vedanta (following Adi Shanakaracharya’s concept of Maya or Illusion) would agree more with non-real interpretation of quantum physics than  with Bohm’s interpretation! Real interpretation may be ok for the ultimate Brahman but physics is not there yet!

Thanks.

Kashyap Vasavada


Dear Kashyap

We can't explain what consciousness is since it's the primordial or ultimate nature of existence. The only true thing we can ever say about it is that "It Is". In its primordial, ultimate, or undifferentiated state we call it the void or the true vacuum state, which is the nature of nothingness. In its differentiated state we call it individual consciousness. The holographic principle tells us that individual consciousness is only a focal point of consciousness that can only arise in relation to a holographic screen that encodes all the bits of information that describe everything observable in the observer's world, and that the focal point of consciousness is always at the central point of view of the observer's world. The observable things reduce down to bits of information encoded on the holographic screen, which is what quantum theory is all about. Bohm had the right idea about implicate order and a holographic universe since the bits of information encoded on the holographic screen are entangled like the eigenvalues of an SU(n) matrix, where n is the number of bits of information encoded on the screen and is given in terms of the screen area A as n=A/4(Planck area). In the context of modern cosmology and the big bang event, the focal point of consciousness is the point of singularity that arises in relation to a cosmic horizon as dark energy (the accelerated expansion of space) is expended. Although Amanda Gefter is not willing to identify the void as undifferentiated consciousness, the scientific basis for this conclusion is discussed in her recent book (Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn) with logical clarity.


Hope this helps clear up some of the confusion.


Dear Jim,


You wrote:

"We can't explain what consciousness is since it's the primordial or ultimate nature of existence. The only true thing we can ever say about it is that "It Is". In its primordial, ultimate, or undifferentiated state we call it the void or the true vacuum state, which is the nature of nothingness'

Void or true vacuum or nothingness in its true sense means completely devoid of any ontological reality. There is no meaning of the existence of any entity which is completely devoid of any ontological reality. Any entity, if it has some real existence, should have some ontological reality. How primordial or ultimate nature of existence, which is undifferentiated consciousness, from which all the observable and unobservable universe shall take birth can be devoid of any ontological reality.?

Yes, we could say that undifferentiated consciousness could be "nothingness" from the sense of our inability to know it. For a person with no sight or any other sense of knowledge, all the world may turn out to be "void" or "nothingness" but for a person with all the senses of knowledge intact, there is all the existence of the world with a variety of objects.

Vinod Sehgal

Dear Vinod

Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am

-Gospel of John


Brahman is the only truth, the world is illusion, and there is ultimately no difference between Brahman and Atman

-Shankara


That which permeates all, which nothing transcends, and which like the universal space around us, fills everything completely from within and without, that Supreme non-dual Brahman-that thou art

-Shankara


Ontology is the study of what exists in reality. I take reality to be ultimate reality. Like Amanda Gefter, I define ultimate reality as what is invariant for all observers. Modern physics tells us that everything in the world is radically observer dependent. All observations of things can change based upon the observer's point of view. The ultimate example of this radical observer dependence is the holographic principle, which tells us all the bits of information that define the configuration states of every observable thing the observer can observe in its world are encoded on a holographic screen. Like a screen output, in some sense the images of these things must be projected from the observer's holographic screen to the observer's point of view. This kind of holographic projection is the nature of a quantum state reduction or an observation. The observer itself can only be identified as a focal point of consciousness at the central point of view of its world that arises in relation to its holographic screen. Modern cosmology tells us the observer's world is only created (as in the big bang creation event) and comes into an apparent existence when dark energy (the accelerated expansion of space that expands relative to the observer's central point of view) is expended. Dark energy is what puts the "bang" in the big bang event and gives rise to a cosmic (de Sitter) horizon that surrounds the observer at the central point of view. This cosmic horizon limits the observer's observation of things in that bounded region of space, and acts as a holographic screen that projects all the images of things in that bounded space to the observer's central point of view. In the language of relativity theory, the observer's cosmic horizon is radically observer-dependent, and so everything the observer can observe in its world is also radically observer-dependent. In other words, nothing is invariant for all observers, and so nothing is ultimately real. At best, there can only be a kind of consensual reality that observers share when their respective cosmic horizons overlap in the sense of a Venn diagram and share information, like the kind of information sharing we see in a network of screens like the internet.


The ultimate example of the radical observer dependence of everything in the observer's world is that from the observer's point of view the observer's world can disappear from existence. The observer's world only appears to come into existence when dark energy is expended, since that is how a cosmic horizon arises with the accelerated expansion of space. When energy is no longer expended, the cosmic horizon no longer arises, and so the observer no longer has a holographic screen that encodes all the bits of information for everything in its world and that projects all the images of things in that world to the observer's central point of view. When energy is no longer expended, the observer's world must disappear from existence from the observer's point of view. In relativity theory, this non-accelerated point of view is called free-fall.


What happens to the consciousness of the observer when its world disappears from existence? Truth-realized beings tell us the observer's focal point of differentiated consciousness dissolves back into the undifferentiated consciousness of the void like a drop of water dissolves into the ocean. This dissolution is described as freely falling into the void. Enlightened beings also tell us truth realization is only possible in the desireless state when the expression of all energy comes to an end. When the expression of energy comes to an end, as it eventually must since all things ultimately come to an end, the observer's world disappears from existence from the observer's point of view, the observer's consciousness returns to the void in a state of dissolution, and nothing ultimately exists.


Words and concepts form a strange kind of logical tautology, sort of like an optical illusion. They can mean different things when looked at from different points of view. The Buddha reportedly stated that "Truly, I have attained nothing from total enlightenment". From one point of view, this seems to say that he didn't attain anything, but from another point of view this says he did attain nothing. In the same way, to say "Nothing ultimately exists" can seem to say that no things exist, but from another point of view can be seen to say that nothing does exist. Nothing is what ultimately exists.


The issue of what ultimately exists or is invariant for all observers is about the nature of being. Ultimately, the undifferentiated consciousness of the void (nothingness) is what exists and so is the ultimate nature of being. We can even say the ultimate nature of existence is "being nothing". As observers, we each carry a fragment of that sense of being with us, which is the sense of being present, or the sense "I am". As a differentiated focal point of consciousness, the observer is a presence of consciousness that carries its own sense of being. It's not necessary to be anything in particular to have that sense of being, which the observer finally realizes when it returns to the void.

Vasavada, Kashyap V

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From: Vasavada, Kashyap V
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:13 PM
To: 'jim kowall' <jkowa...@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Advaita, Consciousness and Quantum Physics

 

Dear Jim,

Thanks for your e-mail about unification and Advaita philosophy. I had seen your earlier e-mail. But I was heavily engaged in replying to questions on pure physics. When I see questions on pure physics, I cannot resist temptation of answering them!! I will think about your comments. To me it seems that quantum mechanics may be a bridge between sensory and non-sensory world. Have you written an article about the matter you discuss in your comment. I would like to see a copy of that.

Best Regards.

Kashyap

JACK SARFATTI

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On May 28, 2017, at 10:57 AM, jim kowall <jkowa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Kashyap

I've copied an email you sent a few days ago inquiring into the connection of Vedanta to the nature of consciousness and quantum physics.

There is no useful pragmatic connection of any mystical folklore as far as physics is concerned. There is a psychological connection for weaker minds however.

"We have no need of that hypothesis." ;-)

I've also copied my reply to you and a reply to Vinod about the issue of ontology. I'd like to keep this conversation going due to your interest in Advaita, which is the only way to understand these connections.

By the way, the holographic principle supersedes quantum theory since it is a way of unifying quantum theory with relativity theory.


Rod Sutherland has partially succeeded in doing that in a new way (for particle Bohmian 1952 quantum mechanics in contrast to quantum local gauge field theory).

1.  arXiv:1509.07380 [pdf]
Interpretation of the Klein-Gordon Probability Density
Comments: 6 pages
Subjects: Quantum Physics (quant-ph)
2.  arXiv:1509.02442 [pdf]
Lagrangian Description for Particle Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics -- Entangled Many-Particle Case
Comments: 34 pages
Subjects: Quantum Physics (quant-ph)
3.  arXiv:1509.00001 [pdf]
Energy-momentum tensor for a field and particle in interaction
Comments: 9 pages
Subjects: Classical Physics (physics.class-ph)
4.  arXiv:1502.02058 [pdf]
Naive Quantum Gravity
Subjects: General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc); Quantum Physics (quant-ph)
5.  arXiv:1411.3762 [pdf]
Lagrangian Formulation for Particle Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics: Single-Particle Case
Comments: 12 pages
Subjects: Quantum Physics (quant-ph)
6.  arXiv:quant-ph/0601095 [pdf]
Causally Symmetric Bohm Model
Comments: 35 pages, 5 figures, new sections 12 and 13 added
Subjects: Quantum Physics (quant-ph)

The holographic principle does not do as you say. It is interesting for sure. It says ER (quantum gravity) in 3D + 1 space-time ~ EPR  (conformal quantum field theory) in 2D + 1 boundaries (more specifically "horizons"). Intuitively the quantum gravity Wheeler-foam is a hologram image of QM entanglement on 2D surfaces (hologram plates or screens) slicing the 3D hypersurfaces of spacetime. Again GR horizons seem to be the physical hologram screens, most importantly our future 2D dS (not AdS)


Technically, it came from AdS (5D)/CFT (4D) in a less physical formal picture not directly related to our actual universe.

"In theoretical physics, the anti-de Sitter/conformal field theory correspondence, sometimes called Maldacena duality or gauge/gravity duality, is a conjectured relationship between two kinds of physical theories. On one side are anti-de Sitter spaces (AdS) which are used in theories of quantum gravity, formulated in terms of string theory or M-theory. On the other side of the correspondence are conformal field theories (CFT) which are quantum field theories, including theories similar to the Yang–Mills theories that describe elementary particles.
The duality represents a major advance in our understanding of string theory and quantum gravity.[1] This is because it provides a non-perturbative formulation of string theory with certain boundary conditions and because it is the most successful realization of the holographic principle, an idea in quantum gravity originally proposed by Gerard 't Hooft and promoted by Leonard Susskind.
It also provides a powerful toolkit for studying strongly coupled quantum field theories.[2] Much of the usefulness of the duality results from the fact that it is a strong-weak duality: when the fields of the quantum field theory are strongly interacting, the ones in the gravitational theory are weakly interacting and thus more mathematically tractable. This fact has been used to study many aspects of nuclear and condensed matter physics by translating problems in those subjects into more mathematically tractable problems in string theory. ... 

The most famous example of the AdS/CFT correspondence states that type IIB string theory on the product space  is equivalent to N = 4 supersymmetric Yang–Mills theory on the four-dimensional boundary.[25] In this example, the spacetime on which the gravitational theory lives is effectively five-dimensional (hence the notation ), and there are five additional compactdimensions (encoded by the  factor). In the real world, spacetime is four-dimensional, at least macroscopically, so this version of the correspondence does not provide a realistic model of gravity. Likewise, the dual theory is not a viable model of any real-world system as it assumes a large amount of supersymmetry. Nevertheless, as explained below, this boundary theory shares some features in common with quantum chromodynamics, the fundamental theory of the strong force. It describes particles similar to the gluons of quantum chromodynamics together with certain fermions.[7] As a result, it has found applications in nuclear physics, particularly in the study of the quark–gluon plasma.[26]" 
Wikipedia of course
There is nothing about U1, SU2, SU3 real EM weak strong forces in AdS/CFT or am I missing something? Therefore, it is not a "theory of everything" as yet.

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Kashyap, Jack and others interested
Kashyap, I liked your write up on Hinduism and
Physics (I had seen it earlier also). I include something on
Mukti and Science.
We begin with the assumption that spiritual, moral or ethical
discussion is outside the domain of natural science. Decisions about
moral and ethical questions, are ultimately linked with religious
commandments or spiritual experience commonly referred to as self
actualization (a term coined by Abraham Maslow, in 1950s in USA) or
Brahmananda also referred to as Samadhi , mukti or nirvana. This is
the realization of the unity of oneself with the whole universe
accompanied by overwhelming love and supreme joy. It could also be
described as the realization of the presence of God or universal soul
within everyone’s self. It is also advaita or non duality of atman and
Brahman.

There are at least two difficulties in proceeding from
here. Firstly and most importantly very few persons seem to achieve
mukti, in spite of some of them trying very hard. Secondly even for
the mukthas ( those who have achieved mukthi), to make a choice , one
has to be balanced and detached from vested interests like family,
community and society. However the vested interests come in, the
moment one comes down to earth from the exalted state of Samadhi and
tries to lead a normal life based on, smaller loyalties, no longer the
Brahman. We see it happening with many Godmen who try to build
institutions around themselves. We also see it in religious
institutions which do not include the whole of humanity but a
preferred group.

Mukti or self actualsation, removes duality, right from
the top, between atman ( self) and Brahman (the universal self or God
). Going down the scale, it removes the duality between selfish /
unselfish , work and duty / leisure and relaxation and so on. If I and
you are same, then where is selfishness. Helping you gives me the
greatest pleasure.

(Albert ) Einstein says “..it is the most important function of art
and science to awaken this feeling ( “Cosmic religious feeling” which
is his term for mukti or self actualization ) and keep it alive in
those who are receptive to it. (p 38, Ideas and Opinions by A.
Einstein). Meditation and other forms of yoga are practiced by large
number of persons, all over the world, especially in the eastern part
of the world. Many persons get all kinds of benefit and satisfaction
from yoga but the number who become mukt are miniscule. In the 1960s ,
at the time of Hippy movement , special mushrooms and chemicals like
LSD were discovered and used to get glimpses of mukti. Some gurus in
the west are reported to have now started using mushrooms to help in
getting experiences. Many labs are experimenting with psychedelic
medicines and the longterm effects are claimed to be positive by some
US psychologists. Many more careful lab tests are necessary before
permitting their use generally. This is one form of interaction
between mukti and science, mainly medicine administered to humam
beings . Another is the interaction with physics especially quantum
mechanics.

Quantum mechanics came with its own problems. Niels Bohr called a
statement, a “great truth” if the statement and its opposite are both
true. Thus “electron is a particle (localized)” and “electron is a
wave (non localized )” are both true. This is referred to also as
invalidity of the theory of excluded middle. This is similar to the
removal of duality in self actualisation , between selfishness and
unselfishness as pointed out by Maslow. Kashyap has already pointed
out that this makes it difficult to form pictures of reality. Such
similarities between mukti and physics led to the appearance of books
like “Tao of Physics “ by Capra, with which Jack also probably has
some connection. Is quantum mechanics another route to mukti ? I am
not very enthusiastic as QM so far has not been able to include the
human being, only the detector. Medicine and chemicals do it. They
have to be administered to human beings with qualia , ego and
emotions. I may be wrong about this. With science you never know !
regards
Panchu
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Dear Panchu,
I have fond memory of your and Nargis' hospitality last year in New Delhi. Sometime I will send a private e-mail to keep in touch. Thanks for your interesting comments. One question. Do you think the experiences Rishis had in meditation are similar to those under psychedelic drugs even though most of them could not have taken these drugs? Your description of Mukti is much more general than Vedic concepts of liberation of soul etc. Well, quantum mechanics may not be a path to mukti! But it sounds like a bridge to non-sensory world. Though, of course, the story is unfinished yet. Many people challenge even the existence of non-sensory world.
Best Regards.
kashyap

jim kowall

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READ AMANDA GEFTER'S BOOK!!!!!

Tom Banks (utilizing non-commutative geometry) has developed an observer-centric description of the holographic principle in de Sitter space NOT anti-de Sitter space, and so is applicable to a de Sitter (cosmic horizon) for OUR universe with dark energy. Ted Jacobson has shown whenever the holographic principle is in effect (as Banks has shown it to be in effect on a de Sitter horizon) Einstein's field equations for the space-time metric emerge as a thermal average (thermodynamic equation of state) that is only valid as a low energy limit near thermal equilibrium. If the usual unification mechanisms of super-symmetry and the Kaluza-Klein mechanism are applied to Einstein's field equations (in the context of non-commutative geometry) we end up with something that looks like 11-dimensional super-gravity (which is part of M-theory) and includes the U(1), SU(2) and SU(3) interactions. As Amanda Gefter has argued in her book, every observer has their own holographic screen (cosmic horizon) that encodes all the bits of information for the observer's world. A consensual reality only emerges if the horizons overlap and share information. The observer is at the central point of view of the observer's world, which is the origin of the frame of reference or singularity of the cosmic horizon. This is all based on our conventional understanding of physics. No mysticism is necessary.

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On May 31, 2017, at 11:47 AM, jim kowall <jkowa...@gmail.com> wrote:

READ AMANDA GEFTER'S BOOK!!!!!

this one?

Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn | Not Even Wrong - Columbia Math

Dec 29, 2013 - Amanda Gefter, a science writer who has often covered theoretical ... has a new book coming out soon, Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn.

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Tom Banks (utilizing non-commutative geometry) has developed an observer-centric description of the holographic principle in de Sitter space NOT anti-de Sitter space, and so is applicable to a de Sitter (cosmic horizon) for OUR universe with dark energy.


Great news. What's the URL?


Ted Jacobson has shown whenever the holographic principle is in effect (as Banks has shown it to be in effect on a de Sitter horizon) Einstein's field equations for the space-time metric emerge as a thermal average (thermodynamic equation of state) that is only valid as a low energy limit near thermal equilibrium.

OK, when happens in the far-from-thermal equilibrium "dissipative structure" regime?

If the usual unification mechanisms of super-symmetry


fly in the ointment - no SS seen yet.


and the Kaluza-Klein mechanism are applied to Einstein's field equations (in the context of non-commutative geometry) we end up with something that looks like 11-dimensional super-gravity (which is part of M-theory) and includes the U(1), SU(2) and SU(3) interactions. As Amanda Gefter has argued in her book, every observer has their own holographic screen (cosmic horizon) that encodes all the bits of information for the observer's world.





This is not new, e.g. Tamara Davis's PhD.



A consensual reality only emerges if the horizons overlap and share information. The observer is at the central point of view of the observer's world, which is the origin of the frame of reference or singularity of the cosmic horizon. This is all based on our conventional understanding of physics. No mysticism is necessary.

Yes, I have been saying essentially that for years. 


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Schrodinger's Cat and World History: The Many Worlds Interpretation of Alternative Facts

(Submitted on 30 Mar 2017)
I propose that much recent history can be explained by hypothesizing that sometime during the last quarter of 2016, the history of the world underwent a macroscopic quantum tunneling event, creating, according to the Many Worlds Interpretation, a new branch of the multiverse in which my consciousness and that of my readers is now trapped. The failure of much political polling is then understood by assuming that the particular branch we are on had very low amplitude in the quantum wave function of the multiverse. In this view, one must take a different attitude towards alternative facts than that proposed by the mainstream media. We know that quantum tunneling can change the low energy laws of physics in the different branches of the wave function. Alternative facts may simply be the reflection of the media's ignorance of the state of the world after a quantum transition of this magnitude.

Deriving particle physics from quantum gravity: a plan

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I give a short review of the holographic approach to quantum gravity, with emphasis on its application to deriving the properties of elementary particles.

Holographic Space-time and Black Holes: Mirages As Alternate Reality

(Submitted on 14 Jan 2014 (v1), last revised 30 Jan 2014 (this version, v2))
We revisit our investigation of the claim of [1] that old black holes contain a firewall, i.e. an in-falling observer encounters highly excited states at a time much shorter than the light crossing time of the Schwarzschild radius. We used the formalism of Holographic Space-time (HST) where there is no dramatic change in particle physics inside the horizon until a time of order the Schwarzschild radius. We correct our description of the interior of the black hole . HST provides a complete description of the quantum mechanics along any time-like trajectory, even those which fall through the black hole horizon. The latter are described as alternative factorizations of the description of an external observer, turning the mirage of the interior provided by that observer's membrane paradigm on the stretched horizon, into reality

Lectures on Holographic Space Time

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Summary of three talks on the Holographic Space Time models of early universe cosmology, particle physics, and the asymptotically de Sitter final state of our universe.
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Subjects:High Energy Physics - Theory (hep-th); Cosmology and Nongalactic Astrophysics (astro-ph.CO); General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc)
Report number:RUNHETC-2013-1/SCIPP 13/10
Cite as:arXiv:1311.0755 [hep-th]
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The Membrane Paradigm and Firewalls

(Submitted on 30 Sep 2013 (v1), last revised 2 Oct 2013 (this version, v2))
Following the Membrane Paradigm, we show that the stretched horizon of a black hole retains information about particles thrown into the hole for a time of order the scrambling time m ln(m/M_P), after the particles cross the horizon. One can, for example, read off the proper time at which a particle anti-particle pair thrown into the hole, annihilates behind the horizon, if this time is less than the scrambling time. If we believe that the Schwarzschild geometry exterior to the horizon is a robust thermodynamic feature of the quantum black hole, independent of whether it is newly formed, or has undergone a long period of Hawking decay, then this classical computation shows that the "firewall" resolution of the AMPS paradox is not valid.

The Top 10^{500} Reasons Not to Believe in the Landscape

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The String Landscape is a fantasy. We actually have a plausible landscape of minimally supersymmetric AdS4solutions of supergravity modified by an exponential superpotential. None of these solutions is accessible to world sheet perturbation theory. If they exist as models of quantum gravity, they are defined by conformal field theories, and each is an independent quantum system, which makes no transitions to any of the others. This landscape has nothing to do with CDL tunneling or eternal inflation. 
A proper understanding of CDL transitions in QFT on a fixed background dS space, shows that the EI picture of this system is not justified within the approximation of low energy effective field theory. The cutoff independent physics, defined by the Euclidean functional integral over the 4-sphere admits only a finite number of instantons. Plausible extensions of these ideas to a quantum theory of gravity obeying the holographic principle explain all of the actual facts about CDL transitions in dS space, and lead to a picture radically different from eternal inflation. 
Theories of Eternal Inflation (EI) have to rely too heavily on the anthropic principle to be consistent with experiment. Given the vast array of effective low energy field theories that could be produced by the conventional picture of the string landscape one is forced to conclude that the most numerous anthropically allowed theories will disagree with experiment violently.
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Report number:RUNHETC-2012-07 SCIPP-12/06
Cite as:arXiv:1208.5715 [hep-th]
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Subjects:High Energy Physics - Theory (hep-th); General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc)
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Holographic Space-Time Does Not Predict Firewalls

(Submitted on 23 Aug 2012 (v1), last revised 19 Sep 2012 (this version, v3))
We use the formalism of Holographic Space-time (HST) to investigate the claim of [1] that old black holes contain a firewall, i.e. an in-falling observer encounters highly excited states at a time much shorter than the light crossing time of the Schwarzschild radius. This conclusion is much less dramatic in HST than in the hypothetical models of quantum gravity used in [1]. In HST there is no dramatic change in particle physics inside the horizon until a time of order the Schwarzschild radius

Pedagogical notes on black holes, de Sitter space, and bifurcated horizons

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I discuss black hole evaporation in two different coordinate systems and argue that the results of the two are compatible once one takes the holographic principle into account. de Sitter space is then discussed along similar lines. Finally I make some remarks about smooth initial conditions in GR, which evolve to space-times with bifurcate horizons, and emphasize the care one must take in identifying spaces of solutions of General Relativity which belong to the same quantum theory of gravity. No really new material is presented, but the point of view I take on all 3 subjects is not widely appreciated.
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Report number:SCIPP-2010-12, RUNHETC-2010-17
Cite as:arXiv:1007.4003 [hep-th]
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TASI Lectures on Holographic Space-Time, SUSY and Gravitational Effective Field Theory

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I argue that the conventional field theoretic notion of vacuum state is not valid in quantum gravity. The arguments use gravitational effective field theory, as well as results from string theory, particularly the AdS/CFT correspondence. Different solutions of the same low energy gravitational field equations correspond to different quantum systems, rather than different states in the same system. I then introduce {\it holographic space-time} a quasi-local quantum mechanical construction based on the holographic principle. I argue that models of quantum gravity in asymptotically flat space-time will be exactly super-Poincare invariant, because the natural variables of holographic space-time for such a system, are the degrees of freedom of massless superparticles. The formalism leads to a non-singular quantum Big Bang cosmology, in which the asymptotic future is required to be a de Sitter space, with cosmological constant (c.c.) determined by cosmological initial conditions. It is also approximately SUSic in the future, with the gravitino mass KΛ1/4.

Holographic space-time and its phenomenological implications

T. Banks (Rutgers NHETC and SCIPP-UCSC)
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I briefly review the theory of Holographic Space-time and its relation to the cosmological constant problem, and the breaking of supersymmetry (SUSY). When combined with some simple phenomenological requirements, these ideas lead to a fairly unique model for Tera-scale physics, which implies direct gauge mediation of SUSY breaking and a model for dark matter as a hidden sector baryon, with nonzero magnetic dipole moment.

Locality and the classical limit of quantum systems

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I argue that conventional estimates of the criterion for classical behavior of a macroscopic body are incorrect in most circumstances,because they do not take into account the locality of interactions, which characterizes the behavior of all systems described approximately by local quantum field theory. The deviations from classical behavior of a macroscopic body, except for those that can be described as classical uncertainties in the initial values of macroscopic variables,are {\it exponentially} small as a function of the volume of the macro-system in microscopic units. Conventional estimates are correct only when the internal degrees of freedom of the macrosystem are in their ground state, and the classical motion of collective coordinates is adiabatic. Otherwise, the system acts as its own environment and washes out quantum phase correlations between different classical states of its collective coordinates. I suggest that it is likely that we can only achieve meso-scopic superpositions, for systems which have topological variables, and for which we can couple to those variables without exciting phonons.
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READ AMANDA GEFTER'S BOOK!!!!!

this one?

Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn | Not Even Wrong - Columbia Math

Dec 29, 2013 - Amanda Gefter, a science writer who has often covered theoretical ... has a new book coming out soon, Trespassing on Einstein's Lawn.
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Tom Banks (utilizing non-commutative geometry) has developed an observer-centric description of the holographic principle in de Sitter space NOT anti-de Sitter space, and so is applicable to a de Sitter (cosmic horizon) for OUR universe with dark energy.


Great news. What's the URL?


Ted Jacobson has shown whenever the holographic principle is in effect (as Banks has shown it to be in effect on a de Sitter horizon) Einstein's field equations for the space-time metric emerge as a thermal average (thermodynamic equation of state) that is only valid as a low energy limit near thermal equilibrium.

OK, when happens in the far-from-thermal equilibrium "dissipative structure" regime?

If the usual unification mechanisms of super-symmetry


fly in the ointment - no SS seen yet.

and the Kaluza-Klein mechanism are applied to Einstein's field equations (in the context of non-commutative geometry) we end up with something that looks like 11-dimensional super-gravity (which is part of M-theory) and includes the U(1), SU(2) and SU(3) interactions. As Amanda Gefter has argued in her book, every observer has their own holographic screen (cosmic horizon) that encodes all the bits of information for the observer's world.


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"Na Bandhosti, Na Mokshosti, Neha Naanaasti Kimchana, Chidaakaasosti Sarvadaa" - Neither are there knots nor untying, all that exists is consciousness!

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Dear Panchu, Kashyap, Jim, and others,
 
Since the development of Quantum Mechanics a dichotomy has been introduced between the practice and interpretation of physics, there being many interpretations for the same results in contrived high energy experiments. The language of science no longer relates to truth but rather to the way it has come to be used. We nevertheless seek the truth in our understanding of both scientific and religious or spiritual pursuits. Truth is a timeless holistic value that transcends and subsumes the transience of physical events. Truth is not a physical thing.
 
About 49 years ago, at age 32, I had an awesome cosmic experience that shook me to my foundations. It came in response to an intensive quest into organization structure when I was a key management figure on the receiving end of a corporate takeover in Canada. Although raised Christian, I was not religious. It began with a spiritual vision of my own face followed by five days of continual organic ecstasy. I was in organic union with the whole biosphere. Then it turned around and I saw the other side. The transparent Suffering Face of Humanity appeared in the center of an energy interface of unlimited extent a few feet in front of me. I could read tragic events in the whole of human history behind the interface reaching back to the dawn of our organic evolution on the planet. It was fearsome in contrast to the preceding ecstasy.
 
When I rejected a message EVERYTHING vanished completely. I was One with All. It was a profoundly awesome experience of unity with the whole universe, with the whole of cosmic history. I was filled with cosmic awe, distinct from the previous days of organic bliss. I was merged in a boundless and timeless quantum energy field that spanned and integrated the whole of space and time. Then a series of orchestrated events demonstrated that this Holistic Void is the reciprocal of what we perceive as linear events in the physical universe. The physical universe is quantized into discrete elements that are projected as a very rapid succession of still atomic frames linked by light in a holographic cosmic movie in which we have a role to play. The linear succession of the movie frames are synchronously recalled from quantum elements of the Void that spans and integrates them as a whole. The Void is thus associated with Universal Mind and to the recall process for us all, to the extent to which we each have access. Atomic particles are also waves at the same time because the Void from which they are recalled is Timeless. The atomic frames in the movie close ranks. That is why Planck’s constant requires that light must transmit as a discontinuous series of pulses. The whole universe is discontinuous. There is no space-time continuum, which Einstein himself came to doubt late in life. There never was a big bang. A new cosmology necessarily emerges.  
 
After this demonstration between Form and Void, the Supreme Intelligence orchestrating it suddenly appeared directly in front of me in the Void. He demonstrated Himself to be the Supreme Source of ALL Being. There is NO Being apart from His Being. He is God. He is undeniable without denying one’s own being. I was facing total psychic annihilation as the ONLY option. He introduced Himself as the living manifestation of Universal Values, including love, compassion, mercy, justice and Universal Truth. He then proceeded to explicitly demonstrate how the whole cosmic order structurally works by intensely recalling visual imagery from the Void. The cosmic order is a hierarchically subsumed elaboration of His Being from which all creation derives. Without using a word of language He visually imprinted how this relates to the sciences, perhaps because of my science background.
 
It left me in a very bad way, holding on to sanity and life by a thread. I could not discuss it with anyone. I was alone with it for many years. I have never experimented with drugs. Cosmic experience transcends organic processes. Over a period of several months it stabilized as I read everything I could find on spiritual and philosophical traditions East and West. Strangely enough the only two descriptive accounts of a specific nature that I could find were in the Hindu tradition, and they were only similar to two brief sequences of what had happened to me. Words fail. More cosmic experiences explicitly orchestrated by God came to assist my efforts to understand over the next couple of decades. They all employed the Void.
 
It has taken most of a lifetime to fully assimilate it into ordinary experience. I am at peace with it. Following a rigorous review of the sciences I was able to re-interpret the factual empirical evidence of key elements of science in far more meaningful ways, using the intuitive methodology that was so intensely imprinted. Website articles are a beginning. I call the universal method of delineating the cosmic order simply “The System” because there is no other possible. It embraces all possible structural varieties of Inside to Outside, neither of which can be known to the exclusion of the other. Many articles on my website attest to its pragmatic value as a strict new right brain intuitive disciple of structure that is essential to understanding our place in the universe. It cannot be a left brain language based belief system since it must find direct confirmation in sensory experience in the public and private domains. It is offered freely in the hope that it may make its way into the academic community. It is desperately needed to expand the horizons of science at this point in our history. I feel I must be candid about the source of the work. I am not special.
 
A descriptive account of the first cosmic experience of God is available at http://www.cosmic-mindreach.com/Cosmic_Insight.html.
 
Best wishes to everyone,
Bob Campbell


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To deny God's own existence by claiming oneself to be God himself is actually of utmost selfishness. It's no coincidence that you associate use of psychedelic drugs with "glimpses of mukti (liberation)". Whereas an ordinary person would only see that as creating delusional thoughts, not having anything to do with truth or reality. Psychedelic drug use and illusions of being God have nothing to do with science, religion, or mukti, liberation. Here in the U.S., and I'm sure elsewhere in the world, that just creates homeless people who have lost touch to greater or lesser degree with reality. This is not a good thing, it leads to confusion.

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To deny God's own existence by claiming oneself to be God himself is actually of utmost selfishness. It's no coincidence that you associate use of psychedelic drugs with "glimpses of mukti (liberation)". Whereas an ordinary person would only see that as creating delusional thoughts, not having anything to do with truth or reality. Psychedelic drug use and illusions of being God have nothing to do with science, religion, or mukti, liberation. Here in the U.S., and I'm sure elsewhere in the world, that just creates homeless people who have lost touch to greater or lesser degree with reality. This is not a good thing, it leads to confusion.


I am not sure about this. Actually I do not believe that drugs exists. "drugs" are only medications which becomes dangerous once we prohibit them, because this comes to offering the markets to the criminals, and they rarely ask the identity card of the "patient", never offer precise posology, nor ask for a medical prescription. I have studies prohibition of drugs in detail. It has been right from the start a criminal technic to make a genuine free-market possible. prohibitionism is a non-sense, except for the drug and weapon dealers.

Could a drug/medication help in the spiritual domain? I think so, for many of them. Even in pure mathematics, it can help. It depends on the drug, and on the way it is used.

I joke often that to understand that the physical universe is a delusion, you can choose between logic and salvia divinorum, but it can take 30 years of work, with logic. It takes only four minutes with salvia, but most people are frightened by the experience, especially when they believe that the experience is only a delusion. salvia is a sort of logical hallucination, like the dream argument with a vengeance: as it is the hallucination that you at last wake up from all hallucinations (which includes your brain, body, even salvia and the whole physical reality).

Magic mushrooms can help also, but the advantage of salvia is that the experience last only 4 minutes (when smoked, and two or three hours when chewed, as the Mexican shamans usually do).

Drugs can help to perturb the brain enough to shaken our most solid prejudices. Of course we should not take for granted what we see, only what we understand, but that is true for all form of teaching.

Bruno


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I want to say that truth, as high as we can realize it, is the proper goal and method of every endeavor humans can engage in. This includes religion, science, auto mechanics, economics, politics, meditation, shopping, you name it. Therefore there is no restriction where religious people should not consider science, and scientists should not consider religion in their particular path. Ultimately all these practices must come into congruence, and where any one of them excludes any form of truth, it will suffer in achieving even its own goals. If I have not learned this, I think I have not learned anything.


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                          I think the experience of Rishis and others who got it without any drugs must be far more lasting and superior. And there is no question of addiction. Science will have to tell us whether there is a non sensory world. There have been suggestions that E.M. radiation could also be mediating some of these phenomena.

Panchu 

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Dear Jim,

I will consider your comments carefully later. On googling I found also two of your interesting papers. They are on my “to read” list. But here is my knee-jerk reaction!! Amanda Gefter, although a highly intelligent lady, is after all a journalist. How, journalists, without having fundamental knowledge of science, mess up explaining science, is well known. I read a blog about the book and watched her talk. I understand she talked to some top level physicists and wrote the book (surely well written) about her impressions. I do not want to diminish her achievement. But that should not replace trying to understand physics from physicists. Anyway I will keep open mind about Tom Bank’s theories. But his matrix theories as part of string theories are now several years old. I do have high respect for string theory as a unifying theory for all the interactions. I hope eventually it succeeds. But lately, it has run into lot of problems. For one thing, LHC did not discover any supersymmetry. There are some 10^500 possible solutions. Lot of people have criticized ST for being vague, with no predictions and lack of experimental support.  So one should not believe that string theory has solved all the problems of fundamental physics. It would be dangerous to use it as a guide to problems of consciousness. By the way, you might know that Lubos Motls was a student of Tom Banks and is a good string theorist. He has a pro string theory blog, although he publishes lot of blogs on politics and other social subjects. In fact he published my guest blog in 2014 (Hinduism for physicists)!  I visit his blog every day and ask questions often. You may want to visit his blog, motls.blogspot.com

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