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[Lori Gardner]

I absolutely agree with the handbook. I cringe when I hear them played together. Yet I'm always asked to play this way for holidays. What I've done is volley back and forth between organ and piano with both playing simultaneously only to tie it altogether. If you get a nice arrangement, you can modify it doing this. Just a thought. Best wishes, Lori

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Organ and Piano duets for Hymns

Sherrie Heywood <sherrie...@comcast.net>: Apr 10 01:19PM -0700 I would love any piano/organ duets you are willing to share as well. I am asked to play year round at most holidays. Working on Easter right now, but would love anything you have to share! Thank you so very much! sherrie...@comcast.net     On Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 10:56:03 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote:

BCWB...@aol.com: Apr 11 07:59PM -0400 The Handbook #2 is Music section 14.9.3 discourages the use of the piano and the organ simultaneously. It does say it can be done "occasionally". In many cases, the organ and the piano are not tuned to the same pitches. Organs are tuned to "A 440", but pianos are not. Just because they share the same stand, about the only thing the two share is a keyboard. It does sound like those who are employing these duets are using them for "holiday" or special season occasions, which does fit the handbook description. If the piano is adding "color", it might work, if the instruments are in tune with one another, but, if they are doubling one another, it adds nothing. I also have it on good authority that the Church Music Committee does not endorse piano and organ duets. Beth Ballantyne In a message dated 4/11/2017 4:24:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, sherrie...@comcast.net writes:   I would love any piano/organ duets you are willing to share as well. I am asked to play year round at most holidays. Working on Easter right now, but would love anything you have to share! Thank you so very much! sherrie...@comcast.net     On Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 10:56:03 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote: Hello, Several years ago I was visiting a church where they played an embellished piano arrangement with the regular organ hymn for Christmas music. I loved it so much that I have started doing that for Christmas songs and have come up with my own arrangements. I have been able to find a few online as well. (I wish I would have asked the pianist when I saw her play the first time, but I didn't and I missed my chance!) Then I was asked to do this again for the 4th of July - for The Star- Spangled Banner, America the Beautiful, My Country, 'Tis of Thee, and The Battle Hymn of the Republic. Does anyone else do this? If so, were do you get your arrangements? (They don't have to be Christmas or patriotic, they can be any hymns.) Also - since I have just created piano accompaniments for the above patriotic songs, if anyone would like a copy, please let me know and I'm happy to share them. They are for the LDS Hymnal. The Star- Spangled Banner was lowered to the key of G to make it easier for the organist, who is a beginner and doesn't like 4 flats, but I can transpose it back very easily. Just let me know which key you want. It sounds great, and people love singing when we do this. We definitely get a more enthusiastic participation. Have a great day! Rachel       -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LearningOrgan" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to _learningorga...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:learningorga...@googlegroups.com) . To post to this group, send email to _learni...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:learni...@googlegroups.com) . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/learningorgan. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Eric McKirdy <ericm...@gmail.com>: Apr 11 07:30PM -0600 Sorry, but since when are pianos not tuned to 440?   Sent from my iPhone

BCWB...@aol.com: Apr 12 02:58PM -0400 Dear Eric, Only a portion of a piano's strings are tuned to an attempt at A 440. Depending on individual tuners, the use of the Railsback Curve is used to help the upper and lower portions of the keyboard be in tune with the middle portion. Also, as the hammer hits the 3 strings of each note, the individual strings don't vibrate at the same frequencies. I'm guessing that an electronic organ and an electronic piano might have a better chance of harmonizing with one another, depending on their individual tuning. However, we have an acoustic piano and a pipe organ in each of the buildings in our stake, so, the chances of them having matching harmonics is thereby lessened. Pipe organs involve a column of air, so, are tuned to A 440 in an entirely different way. My understanding is that the use of organ and piano duets was perhaps more popularly used in the past. However, many, including those who compiled the contents of the Church Handbook of Instructions, and, the Church Music Committee members wish to discourage and limit this practice, now. Personally, I think it is tacky, and, adds nothing to a worship service. Beth Ballantyne In a message dated 4/11/2017 6:30:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ericm...@gmail.com writes:   Sorry, but since when are pianos not tuned to 440?   Sent from my iPhone   On Apr 11, 2017, at 5:59 PM, BCWBTile via LearningOrgan <_learni...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:learni...@googlegroups.com) > wrote:       The Handbook #2 is Music section 14.9.3 discourages the use of the piano and the organ simultaneously. It does say it can be done "occasionally". In many cases, the organ and the piano are not tuned to the same pitches. Organs are tuned to "A 440", but pianos are not. Just because they share the same stand, about the only thing the two share is a keyboard. It does sound like those who are employing these duets are using them for "holiday" or special season occasions, which does fit the handbook description. If the piano is adding "color", it might work, if the instruments are in tune with one another, but, if they are doubling one another, it adds nothing. I also have it on good authority that the Church Music Committee does not endorse piano and organ duets. Beth Ballantyne In a message dated 4/11/2017 4:24:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _sherrie...@comcast.net_ (mailto:sherrie...@comcast.net) writes:   I would love any piano/organ duets you are willing to share as well. I am asked to play year round at most holidays. Working on Easter right now, but would love anything you have to share! Thank you so very much! _sherrie...@comcast.net_ (mailto:sherrie...@comcast.net)     On Saturday, July 7, 2007 at 10:56:03 PM UTC-7, Rachel wrote: Hello, Several years ago I was visiting a church where they played an embellished piano arrangement with the regular organ hymn for Christmas music. I loved it so much that I have started doing that for Christmas songs and have come up with my own arrangements. I have been able to find a few online as well. (I wish I would have asked the pianist when I saw her play the first time, but I didn't and I missed my chance!) Then I was asked to do this again for the 4th of July - for The Star- Spangled Banner, America the Beautiful, My Country, 'Tis of Thee, and The Battle Hymn of the Republic. Does anyone else do this? If so, were do you get your arrangements? (They don't have to be Christmas or patriotic, they can be any hymns.) Also - since I have just created piano accompaniments for the above patriotic songs, if anyone would like a copy, please let me know and I'm happy to share them. They are for the LDS Hymnal. The Star- Spangled Banner was lowered to the key of G to make it easier for the organist, who is a beginner and doesn't like 4 flats, but I can transpose it back very easily. Just let me know which key you want. It sounds great, and people love singing when we do this. We definitely get a more enthusiastic participation. Have a great day! Rachel       -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "LearningOrgan" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to _learningorga...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:learningorga...@googlegroups.com) . To post to this group, send email to _learni...@googlegroups.com_ (mailto:learni...@googlegroups.com) . Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/learningorgan. 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