Meeting assets for Rabbi Kaganoff's Bein haZmanim shiur are ready!
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Meeting summary
Quick recap
The meeting began with technical difficulties being resolved and participants joining through a new Zoom link, with Jenny managing the recording and Shira leading the discussion on Talmudic topics. The main focus was on agricultural offerings, food categorization, and various legal interpretations of produce and spices in Jewish law, including discussions on etymology and historical uses of specific foods. The session concluded with plans for future study sessions, while addressing technical issues that occurred during the meeting.
Next steps
- Shira: Send the new Zoom link to all participants who were previously invited
- Shira: Find editions of Ozvahdr, Schottenstein, or Art Scroll for the study sessions
- Shira: Continue explaining the rules of Maseptamycrus in the next session
- Shira: Explain the different interpretations of the Gemara according to various Rishonim in the next session
- Shira: Continue the discussion on Nishmar in the next session
- Shira: Review the Rashasa's analysis of the Gamara regarding Zara shum, Shaklaim, and Gargar
- Shira: Look up what "Luft" or "El Jone" refers to after the meeting
- Shira: Verify the correct number of times "Haruva" appears in the text
- Shira: Look up the correct interpretation of "crest" mentioned in the discussion
- Shira: Continue the discussion on Maestros Lerokos Lidivreeim in the next session
- Shira: Continue the discussion on the Yerushalmi text in the next session, starting from the section marked "Venishmar
- Shira: Review the understanding of "Zara shum" in the context of the Gemara
- Jenny: Continue managing the Zoom recording for the sessions
- Jenny: Prepare the recording for the next session
- Jenny: Send a link for tomorrow's shiur to participants
- Gedaliah: Review the different types of Haruva mentioned in the text
- Attendees: Review the three basic rules of Maseptamycrus discussed in the meeting
- Attendees: Study the definitions of Ohel, Nishmar, and Yadula minarets for the next session
- Attendees: Review the contradictory passages in Humish Dwarim, Parsha Shofter, and Vayikra regarding Truma and Miser
- Attendees: Prepare for further discussion on the Rishonim's interpretations of the Gemara
- Students: Review the discussed passages from Humish Dwarim, Parshakusai, and Partial Shofter for further discussion
- Students: Prepare examples of different types of produce that fall under the categories discussed
- Students: Mark their texts at the point where "Hamasis Lerokos, Medivrayan" appears before continuing in the next session
- Participants: Bring any available copies of these editions if they have access to them
- All participants: Review the discussion on Maestros categories before the next session
Summary
Resolving Zoom Link Issues
The meeting experienced technical difficulties due to a changing Zoom link, which prevented Jenny from joining initially. Shira resolved the issue by sending out the new link to the attendees and joining the meeting. They discussed the problem and confirmed that everyone could now hear each other.
Study Session Preparation Meeting
The meeting began with Shira confirming that she had sent out the Zoom link to several participants, including Gedalia and Alone, who successfully joined. Shira mentioned that some participants, such as Loria, were unable to attend due to health issues. Jenny was tasked with managing the recording, and Shira requested that participants speak closer to the microphone for better audio quality. The meeting focused on preparing for a study session, with Shira noting that she did not have access to certain editions of the Talmud but was open to borrowing them from participants.
Maestros Rules and Categories
Shira discussed the rules of Maestros, focusing on three main categories: Mitzvahs for Miser, Permitsis Payer, and Shmita. She explained the differences between these categories, noting that Shmita is the broadest, while Permitsis Payer has additional rules that do not apply to Miser. Shira also introduced the concept of "edible when young" and discussed the rule of Ohel, which will be further explored in future sessions. She emphasized the importance of understanding these rules to determine when something is considered "havim" or "tumtum" in terms of Mitzvahs.
Torah Interpretations of Agricultural Offerings
Shira led a discussion on agricultural offerings and their interpretation in the Torah, focusing on the verses regarding grain, wine, and oil. She highlighted apparent contradictions in the texts and emphasized the need to resolve these discrepancies. Shira also discussed the Gemara's approach to understanding these verses and mentioned a relevant Tosafist commentary. The session concluded with plans to continue exploring these topics in future sessions.
Agricultural Produce and Seed Crops
Shira discussed the concept of "Zarona Gina" in agriculture, focusing on plants where seeds are not eaten but are sometimes grown for future use. She explained that these plants, such as lettuce and onions, are considered part of the produce that comes from the field year by year. Shira also touched on the distinction between annual and perennial crops, noting that the Gemara discusses the produce of seeds that are planted and harvested each year. She observed that the discussion in the Gemara does not mention certain aspects of Trumah, leaving that as an open question for further exploration.
Ancient Hebrew Food Storage Terms
Shira discussed the etymology and uses of various ancient Hebrew words related to food storage and preparation, particularly focusing on grains, figs, and garlic seeds. She explained that garlic seeds were considered a famine food, used as a spice substitute when fresh garlic was unavailable. The group also clarified the meaning of "gargar," which refers to a single dried fig, distinct from fig cakes made by crushing multiple figs together. Shira mentioned that "arugula" is a salad green used as a famine food due to its bitter taste, and the group confirmed its identification after some confusion.
Spice Categorization in Jewish Law
Shira discussed the categorization of spices and vegetables in Jewish law, focusing on the use of bitter or less desirable plants during times of scarcity. She explored various Talmudic sources and legal opinions to understand the rules governing the use of these items as spices or food. Shira noted that some sources suggest three categories of plants, while others propose two, and she identified potential confusion between similar-sounding terms. She also mentioned that the discussion might be relevant to her current work on a legal system, though she did not elaborate on this point.
Exploring Types of Haruva
Shira discussed the term "Haruva," exploring its various references and contexts within Jewish texts. She noted that the Rambam mentions three types of Haruva, but the Rad Vaz raises a question about their classification. Shira explained the Rambam's reasoning and the Rad Vaz's explanation, highlighting an intriguing aspect of the Rambam's logic. She also mentioned that she would review additional sources later to address her concerns.
Talmudic Food Classification Discussion
Shira discussed the Talmudic interpretation of food categories, focusing on the distinction between fruits and vegetables. She explained that while fruits from trees are considered food, vegetables are not, citing various sources and interpretations. Shira also touched on the concept of "ptosis" in relation to food storage and pricing. The discussion included references to different Talmudic authorities and their views on specific foods.
Exploring Asmachta in Jewish Law
The group discussed the concept of "asmachta" in Jewish law, exploring how certain practices are rooted in Torah but not strictly mandatory. They examined how Rashi and other commentators interpreted this concept, particularly regarding fruit trees and agricultural practices. The discussion concluded with plans to continue the study the following day, and Jenny mentioned she would send a link for the next session. Additionally, Shira shared an experience of technical difficulties accessing the meeting at 11:10 AM due to a code change, which was resolved after contacting Jenny's phone number through a mutual acquaintance.
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