Count the Number of the Beast

[John Henry]

Hi everyone,

Have you all heard of English Gematria? The Hebrew, Greek and other ancient languages used their letters for numbers also.  Gematria is the use of these alpha/numerics to find the values of words.  For example the Pope's title "VICARIVS FILII DEI" (Representative of the Son of God) in Roman numerals totals 666. 

V = 005
 I =  001
C = 100
A = 000
R = 000
 I =  001
V = 005
S = 000
     112
                      112
F = 000                053
 I = 001             + 501
L = 050                666
 I = 001
 I = 001
    053

D = 500
E = 000
 I = 001
     501

I don't believe the Pope will be the Antichrist, but all popes are antichrists, and the last pope, whoever he may be, will be the False Prophet (Rev 13:11-18) who will marry Apostate Christianity with the New Age Movement, the "two horns like a lamb" (Rev 13:11).  His symbols are "a lamb" (Christendom) and "a dragon" (New Age).

In similar manor to other forms of Gematria Dr. J. R. Church developed an English Gematria based on the number of man which is 6 by assigning our alphabet numbers increasing in increments of 6 (i.e. A = 6, B = 12, C = 18, D = 24 and so on).  Notice some of the results in which are directly relation to Revelation 13:14-18 which says:

"And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth ... saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.  15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.  16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:  17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.  18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six." (Please notice that this text in no way says to try to find out who the Antichrist is.  It merely tells the wise to "count the number of the beast.")

The Mark Of The Beast:

Mark of Beast = 666
A Satanic Mark = 666
Forehead Sign = 666
The Hand or Head = 666
Computer = 666
Terminals = 666
AI System = 666 (i.e. Artificial Intelligence)
World Net = 666 (i.e. World Wide Web)
Digital ID Chip = 666
Bio-Implant = 666
Earth Slave = 666
Slaughter = 666

Also notice some of the other Biblically related results related to various issues:

Lost Man Is Already Marked:

People Sin = 666 (Rom 3:23)
Wicked Will = 666 (Jer 17:9-10)
Hardened Heart = 666 (Heb 3:8, 15, 4:7)
Stubborn = 666 (1 Sam 15:23)
Corrupt = 666 (Gen 6:11-12)
Lustful = 666 (1 John 2:16-17)
Treacheries = 666 (Isa 33:1)

Almighty Jehovah:

The Trinity = 888 (1 John 5:7)
Messiah Jesus = 888 (The Lord's name, JESUS, in Koine Greek totals 888)
The King Jesus = 888 (1 Tim 6:15; Rev 17:14, 19:16)
The Lion Of Judah = 888 (Rev 5:5)
Morning Star = 888 (Rev 22:16)

Saved Man Has Received A New Mark:

Saved in Jesus = 888 (2 Tim 1:9)
Spirit Birth = 888 (John 3:5-8; Titus 3:5; 2 Cor 5:17)

God's Word, The Bible:

Scriptures = 888
God's Perfect Bible = 888 (Jam 1:25; Ps 19:7)
Law Of Liberty = 888 (James 1:25, 2:12)
God's Word: KJV = 888 (Ps 12:6-7)

False Teachings:

Falling Away = 666 (2 Thess 2:3)
Other Gods = 666 (Deut 5:7-9)
Catholic Liar = 666 (Acts 4:12; 2 Tim 2:5; Ex 20:3-5)
Islamic Lies = 666 (1 John 5:7; 2 Tim 2:5; 1 Cor 15:3-4)
Lucifer Hell = 666 (Isa 14:12-15)
Lucifer Hades = 666 (Hades is Greek for hell.)
Devil Sheol = 666 (Sheol is Hebrew for hell.)

The Church:

Jesus' Church Age = 888 (Rev 2 & 3)
The House Of God = 888 (1 Tim 3:15)
Baptist Church = 888 (Matt 16:18, 28:19)

Gematria:

English Gematria = 888

Comments and views are welcomed.

In Christ's Service,
John Henry
http://LandmarkBibleBaptist.net/666-888.html

[Judson Pewther]

On Jun 29, 8:38�am, John Henry <K...@LandmarkBibleBaptist.net> wrote:


> Hi everyone,

> Have you all heard of English Gematria?
> The Hebrew, Greek and other ancient languages
> used their letters for numbers also. Gematria is
> the use of these alpha/numerics to find
> the values of words.

[snip]

Hi John Henry.

Because of my interest in the prophecy of Revelation 13 and the number
666, I have seen various forms of English gematria over the years, in
books and on the Web, including the form of gematria you show further
down in your message, which was briefly mentioned in Del Washburn's
book "Theomatics," published in 1977. I have also tried out some
methods of my own (some of which result in very large numbers) and
wrote a gematria calculator program for my Atari 800 computer back in
the early 1980's. I haven't had the time and energy to get re-
involved in computer programming lately. However, I still fool around
with gematria, just using a pocket calculator.

> In similar manor to other forms of Gematria
> Dr. J. R. Church developed an English Gematria
> based on the number of man which is 6
> by assigning our alphabet numbers increasing
> in increments of 6 (i.e. A = 6, B = 12, C = 18,
> D = 24 and so on). Notice some of the results
> in which are directly relation to Revelation 13:14-18
> which says:

> "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth ...
> saying to them that dwell on the earth, that
> they should make an image to the beast, which
> had the wound by a sword, and did live.

> of the beast, that the image of the beast should
> both speak, and cause that as many as would not
> worship the image of the beast should be killed.
> 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich
> and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their
> right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no
> man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
> or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
> 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding
> count the number of the beast: for it is the number
> of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore
> and six." (Please notice that this text in no way says
> to try to find out who the Antichrist is. It merely tells
> the wise to "count the number of the beast.")

Specifically, it says, "let him that hath understanding count the
number of the beast." Yes, "him that hath understanding" could mean
someone who is generally wise about all things. But in context at the
end of this chapter of prophecy, it could mean more specifically
someone who understands this specific chapter, and understands what
the two beasts and the image symbolize. Thus anyone who honestly
thinks or believes he (or she?) understands the prophecy is called
upon to count the number of the beast.

So if you think you understand this chapter of prophecy, yet you
haven't counted the number of the beast, why not? You were called to
do so! And at the other extreme, if you have a lot of gematria
calculations to show, things that add up to 666, but didn't understand
the chapter as a whole, why are you wasting your time with all those
calculations? I don't mean you, or anyone else, specifically. I am
just thinking out loud about some of the implications I see in the
words in Rev 13:18.

As well as gematria, I like to fool around with anagrams. For those
who don't know, an anagram is just a meaningful message found by
rearranging the letters of some word or name or phrase. Here are a
couple of anagrams I found, with the help of a commercial program
called Anagram Genius:

"Him that hath understanding" = [quoted from Rev 13:18]
The man had truth and insight.
He'd an insight, truth and math.
Men hadn't had a truth insight.

Anagrams are are especially interesting because no matter what
numerical values one assigns to the letters of the alphabet, the
gematria sums for anagrams will always be equal. That's because one
is just adding up the same numbers in a different order. For example,
using the multiples of 6 system you have shown, each of the above
would add up to 1614.

I think these next examples you show of words and phrases that add up
to 666 using your system are all good clues about the nature of the
beast:

> The Mark Of The Beast:
>
> Mark of Beast = 666
> A Satanic Mark = 666
> Forehead Sign = 666
> The Hand or Head = 666
> Computer = 666
> Terminals = 666
> AI System = 666 (i.e. Artificial Intelligence)
> World Net = 666 (i.e. World Wide Web)
> Digital ID Chip = 666
> Bio-Implant = 666
> Earth Slave = 666
> Slaughter = 666
>
> Also notice some of the other Biblically
> related results related to various issues:
>
> Lost Man Is Already Marked:
>
> People Sin = 666 (Rom 3:23)
> Wicked Will = 666 (Jer 17:9-10)
> Hardened Heart = 666 (Heb 3:8, 15, 4:7)
> Stubborn = 666 (1 Sam 15:23)
> Corrupt = 666 (Gen 6:11-12)
> Lustful = 666 (1 John 2:16-17)
> Treacheries = 666 (Isa 33:1)

[snip]
And some of the following might also be good clues:

> False Teachings:
>
> Falling Away = 666 (2 Thess 2:3)
> Other Gods = 666 (Deut 5:7-9)
> Catholic Liar = 666 (Acts 4:12; 2 Tim 2:5; Ex 20:3-5)
> Islamic Lies = 666 (1 John 5:7; 2 Tim 2:5; 1 Cor 15:3-4)
> Lucifer Hell = 666 (Isa 14:12-15)
> Lucifer Hades = 666 (Hades is Greek for hell.)
> Devil Sheol = 666 (Sheol is Hebrew for hell.)

But no one should get the mistaken impression from what you have shown
here that the number 666, as it occurs in your (or Dr. Church's)
system of gematria associates unambiguously to evil, sinful, beastly
things. For example, after spending a little time fooling with my
pocket calculator, I found these sums, using your same system:

God of Israel = 666
Israel of God = 666
Mankind's God = 666
A Savior God = 666
Original God = 666
The Genesis = 666
One Christ = 666
Child of Love = 666
The Holy Head = 666
Christ's face = 666
A face of Jesus = 666
I am a Baptist = 666

If anything, perhaps what we are seeing here is a hint that the 666
beast's "mouth speaking great things and blasphemies" may have
something to do with gematria calculations, because gematria tends to
mix and equate the sacred and the profane.

Christian AI = 666
AI blasphemy = 666
God's beasts = 666
Beast's lies = 666
Mind of animal = 666
A beast's brain = 666
Science machine = 666
Science sum = 666
Men of science = 666
Supermen = 666
Create idols = 666
Create minds = 666
Science of men = 666
Science of life = 666
Super life = 666
Biology god = 666
Son of sin = 666
Son of math = 666
The math child = 666
Mind of America = 666
Idol of America = 666
American beast = 666
Image of Satan = 666
Satan's being = 666
The Devil god = 666
A great dragon = 666
A big Leviathan = 666
Dragon's name = 666
Be monster = 666
Bad monster = 666
Bad idolatry = 666
Smart mind = 666
Smart idol = 666
Headstrong = 666
Idol deceiver = 666
Mind deceiver = 666

> The Church:
>
> Jesus' Church Age = 888 (Rev 2 & 3)
> The House Of God = 888 (1 Tim 3:15)
> Baptist Church = 888 (Matt 16:18, 28:19)
>
> Gematria:
>
> English Gematria = 888
>
> Comments and views are welcomed.
>
> In Christ's Service,
> John Henry

And just as I found some seemingly good things that add up to 666,
without much effort, I'm sure one could find lots of bad things that
add up to 888. Here are a couple of easy ones:

Satan's messiah = 888
Satan's ruler = 888

The problem is that gematria is ambiguous:

Jesus = 444 = Lucifer
God's = 270 = Lies

It would be nice to have a gematria system so perfect that each number
had a unique meaning, either good or evil. But if such a thing
exists, this isn't it. And neither have I myself found a really
reliable gematria system for English. How could such a thing even
exist in our sinful world? How could it exist, when our languages
have been confused ever since the tower of Babel?

But now I must reveal what is really my major complaint with the
multiples-of-6 system you have shown here. How does it logically
follow from the fact that man was created on the 6th day of creation,
that we should multiply the counting values for our letters (A=1, B=2,
C=3, ... , Z=26) by 6, and assign A=6, B=12, C=18, etc? It makes no
sense at all, in my opinion.

By way of analogy, suppose I owed you 18 dollars. Suppose I said,
"This is a human debt, so I will repay it using the multiples of 6
system, because 6 is the number of man." And then I counted out three
dollar bills, and put them in your hand, saying, "Six, twelve,
eighteen. There you are. You are repaid in full. Thanks for lending
me the money." I'd say that if I did that, I would be cheating you.

And somewhat similarly, I would say that counting out A=6, B=12, C=18,
etc., is a bit of a swindle. It is a contrived and illogical
numerological system without any precedent or any solid foundation.
And what it obviously results in is that every word and every phrase
has a gematria value which is obviously a multiple of 6. (In case you
hadn't noticed, 888 is also a multiple of 6: 888 = 6 x 148.) So 5
out of every 6 of the counting numbers will not even exist in this
multiples of 6 system.

In other words, suppose I am interested in the number 777, and want to
see what words might add up to that number. Sorry, but that number is
not a multiple of 6. It is impossible to find any words that will add
up to that number, using the multiples of 6 system. Similarly, there
will be no 111, or 333, or 555, or 999. In fact, no odd numbers of
any kind, because 6 is even. And no 100, 200, 400, 500, 700, 800 or
1000, because those numbers are even, but not multiples of 3. The
only numbers allowed are even and a multiple of 3, because 6 = 2 x 3.
And no 1111, which is a pretty looking number, which is neither even
nor a multiple of 3.

I would say that it sure looks like the A=6, B=12, C=18, etc. gematria
system was contrived especially to make it 6 times as easy to find a
sum of 666 as it ought to be. It is like putting on rose colored
glasses before you go searching for a rose. When you put on the rose
colored glasses, you can look at a white flower, and say, "Sure looks
like a rose to me!" With the multiples of 6 system, you are
metaphorically putting on "sixy colored glasses," because you want to
see 666.

If you still think the multiples of 6 gematria system is valid, even
after all my complaining, let me at least show you an easier way to do
your calculations. Instead of using the multiples of 6, just use the
ordinary counting values A=1 to Z=26. And then look for words and
phrases that add up to 111, realizing that since it adds up to 111
this way, it will add up to 666 when using multiples of 6. Or if you
are looking for 888, look for 148 instead, because 888 = 6 x 148.
That's the way I did the gematria calculations I showed above.

If you were counting eggs which were all boxed in boxes holding a half
dozen, wouldn't it be foolish to count the eggs individually, instead
of counting them by the box? 111 boxes equals 666 eggs. Why work
with the arithmetic of individual eggs when they are all in boxes of
6?

I think there is SOME validity to the multiples of 6 system you are
using because it is related so simply to the simple counting numbers
A=1 to Z=26. All that's wrong with it is that it is giving you a
highly exaggerated view of the significance of the results you are
finding. So when looking for what you have previously regarded as
666, use the simple counting values instead and look for 111. Then
recognize that something that sums to 111 could be a valid hint about
666, because there is a perfect harmony between 666 and 111. (In
music, one tone is a perfect harmonic of another tone if the frequency
or wavelength of one is a perfect multiple of the other.)

Here are some little coincidences that I have regarded as possible
small corroborations of the validity of the simple counting values A=1
to Z=26:

74 = English = Gematria = Jesus = Jewish = Y'shua = Messiah = Ruler =
The King

(Y'shua is the name that the Jews for Jesus use, because it
approximates the original pronunciation of his name.)

But of course, the gematria is still ambiguous and contradictory
because

74 = Satan's = Lucifer = of a Devil

Those 74s would all be 444 using the multiples of 6 system.

We also have,

82 = Numbered = Counted = Calculated = Perfected = Correct

333 = Correct values for the letters
= of the alphabet are found by counting.
= A is the first letter of the alphabet.
= Numerology tells the truth

And here are some gematria coincidences along the lines of what I
think the prophecy means:

275 = Six hundred sixty six
= The seven-headed ten-horned beast
= The body of knowledge of science

201 = Six sixty-six
= Beast or antichrist
= The antichrist beast
= Science and Technology
= Technological sciences
= Knowledge is power
= Technological power
= Science's beast power
= The image of mathematics
= The human computer
= Holy Bible computer

But as you can see, it takes a fairly long string of letters to
actually add up to 666 when we are using the simple counting values
A=1 to Z=26:

Six hundred and sixty six, the number of the trinity of sixes = 666

(That would be 3996 = 6 x 666 in your multiples of 6 system.)

So it would sure be nice to have a reasonable system of gematria where
we could find hints or corroborations about the 666 beast in single
words or short phrases.

If you are familiar with the gematria of ancient Hebrew and Greek, you
should know that the same numerical pattern for the alphabet appears
in each. They start off assigning a value of 1 to the 1st letter, 2
to the 2nd, etc. up to the 10th letter, but after that add increments
of 10 until they hit 100. Then the increment changes to 100 for the
remaining letters at the end of the alphabet. (They also add some
special letters to finish the numbering up to 900.) Here's a table
that shows both alphabets:

Gematria Key for Greek and Hebrew
http://www.geocities.com/athens/parthenon/7069/key-1.html

Please don't worry about the fact that this is an occultish web page
put up by a follower of Aleister Crowley. At least he's got the
gematria values correct.

Now I'd say that it is obvious that either the Greeks copied the
numerical pattern from the Hebrews, or vice-versa. Or both copied
from some other culture. (The scholarly concensus seems to be that
this pattern started with the Greeks.) Anyway, there is clearly some
copying going on here, so there is a precedent which suggests simply
copying the ancient numerical pattern onto our modern English
alphabet.

So is it appropriate to appropriate the ancient numerical pattern, and
apply it to the English alphabet, when seeking to count the number of
the beast? If we appropriate the ancient pattern, we will assign
values ranging from A=1 to Z=800. We will now be looking at the world
through "Greek-Hebrew colored glasses," so to speak. And we will
find,

Appropriate = 666
God's gematria riddle = 666
End-time gematria = 666
End mathematics = 666
Man's mega therion = 666 [See note below.]
Beast's theme = 666
The beast's me = 666
I am a graven image = 666
IBM graven image = 666
Satan's brain image = 666
Artificial beast = 666
Beast program = 666
For artificial brain = 666
I am a science sum = 666
Science total = 666
Science's star = 666
Science-saur = 666
Marvels = 666
The science miracles = 666

[Note: the ancient Greek words "to mega therion" (which mean "the
great beast") add up to 666 using the Greek letter values. That seems
to be a nice corroboration that counting the number of the beast has
something to do with gematria. In trying to imitate the spirit of
that, I found that "Man's mega therion" adds up to 666 in English.]

I could go on and on with this. And I have interesting results in
other numerological systems I've played with. But it still wouldn't
be a scientific proof that my ideas about Revelation 13 are correct,
because just showing cherry-picked examples that fit one's pet theory
does not constitute a scientific proof.

However, I'll just mention in closing what my theory is. Yes, I think
I have at least a basic understanding of this chapter of prophecy. I
believe the two beasts of Revelation 13 symbolize man's science and
technology. Modern technology is the second beast, the one that works
all the great signs or marvels. And by the signs that technology
works in the presence of first beast, science, it deceives humans into
idolizing science to such an extent that humans actually make a graven
image in the likeness of science, some sort of talking computer or
artificial intelligence that personifies all man's scientific
knowledge. Then, humans will wind up worshipping and obeying this
"Omniscient" AI, the beast whose number is 666.

My theory about Revelation 13 began with the recognition that the
"fire from heaven" sign in Rev 13:13 was fulfilled in 1952 when man's
technology created the first hydrogen bomb. The H-bomb uses hydrogen
fusion, the same type of fire that lights up the sun and the other
stars in the heavens. By recreating this type of fire here on earth,
our technology made the heavenly fire come down to earth. The idea
that large bombs are typically dropped from planes flying high in the
heavens also helps. While the first H-bomb was developed and tested
by the USA, the most powerful H-bomb was detonated by the USSR in
1961. That one was equivalent to 50 million tons of TNT, a truly
awesome demonstration of brute technological power. And it was a
fully operational weapon dropped from the heavens by a high flying
jet.

Even if I am wrong in thinking that the first H-bomb tests constituted
a fulfillment of Rev 13:13, the H-bomb has at least set a new standard
for the second beast of Rev 13 to match and surpass. I.e., if modern
technology is not really the second beast of Rev 13, then when the
real second beast comes, it/he must make fire come down from heaven in
a way which is even more spectacular and powerful than an H-bomb
explosion. Otherwise, people who worship man's science, looking to
man's science as the highest authority, are justified in saying to the
beast, "Why should we worship what you want us to worship, when our
science and technology is more powerful than you?"

Sincerely,
Judson Thomas Pewther

[John Henry]

Thank you very much Mr. Pewther for your ideas about English Gematria and welcome to my new Group.

Where the Word of God says, "Here is wisdom.  Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast ..." (Rev 13:18) it means spiritual wisdom and understanding.  The following Biblical passages are submitted as evidence:

Deuteronomy 4:1-6:  Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.  2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.  3 Your eyes have seen what the LORD did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the LORD thy God hath destroyed them from among you.  4 But ye that did cleave unto the LORD your God are alive every one of you this day.  5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.  6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people. (cf. Exodus 31:3, 35:31, 36:1)

1 Chronicles 22:7-13:  And David said to Solomon, My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God:  8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.  9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.  10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.  11 Now, my son, the LORD be with thee; and prosper thou, and build the house of the LORD thy God, as he hath said of thee.  12 Only the LORD give thee wisdom and understanding, and give thee charge concerning Israel, that thou mayest keep the law of the LORD thy God.  13 Then shalt thou prosper, if thou takest heed to fulfil the statutes and judgments which the LORD charged Moses with concerning Israel: be strong, and of good courage; dread not, nor be dismayed.

Proverbs 1:1-7:  The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel;  2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;  3 To receive the instruction of wisdom, justice, and judgment, and equity;  4 To give subtilty to the simple, to the young man knowledge and discretion.  5 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:  6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.  7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Job 38:36:  Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart? (cf. Job 28:20, 28)

Psalm 111:10:  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

Proverbs 4:7:  Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

Proverbs 9:10-11:  The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.  11 For by me thy days shall be multiplied, and the years of thy life shall be increased. (This is speaking of salvation, especially repentance toward God.)

Proverbs 14:26-27, 33:  In the fear of the LORD is strong confidence: and his children shall have a place of refuge.  27 The fear of the LORD is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. ... 33 Wisdom resteth in the heart of him that hath understanding: but that which is in the midst of fools is made known. (cf. Proverbs 1:29, 2:5, 8:13, 9:10, 10:27, 14:26-27, 15:16, 33, 16:6, 19:23, 22:4, 23:17)

Isaiah 11:1-4:  And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:  2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;  3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:  4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. (This is Christ, the One from whom we must get wisdom and understanding.)

Daniel 2:20-22:  Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:  21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:  22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.

Colossians 1:9-10:  For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;  10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

The wisdom and understanding is that of the saved and yielded person who keeps and studies God's Word.  There is, however, a worldly and satanic wisdom and understanding.

Ezekiel 28:2, 4-5, 12-15, 17:  Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God. ... 4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:  5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffick hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches: ... 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.  13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God ...  14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth ....  15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.  16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence ... 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Isaiah 29:13-16:  Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:  14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.  15 Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?  16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

1 Corinthians 1:18-19: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.  19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

So I don't think the wisdom and understanding of Revelation 13:18 is that of "someone who is generally wise about all things."  It rather has to do with "the context at the end of this chapter of prophecy," and also with having the mind of God that comes only through believing Bible study "... comparing spiritual things with spiritual" (1 Corinthians 2:13; cf. 2 Timothy 2:15).  The wisdom and understanding is to those who honestly trust in Him and keep His Word.

The two beasts are the Antichrist and the False Prophet who will point the world to Him, much the way that John the Baptist did for Christ. 

The image of the first beast symbolizes an advanced computer perhaps with artificial inelegance supported with some kind of Internet and inplantable chips.  This technology is nearing its completion.

I don't think anagrams are a very good Idea.  They might change the plain meaning of the text.  Neither is there any admonition to do it, as there is with counting. 

I have recently run across a little of what appears to be bad English Gematria, and now you have shown a lot more seemingly bad results.  Let's intrepret these through the eyes of faith:

Mankind's god = 666
Mankind's god is one with a little g.

The Genesis = 666
The genisis of what?

I am a Baptist = 666

There are lost Baptists, but a true Baptist Church (888) is Christ's.

Original God = 666
The first false god of this world.

Child of Love = 666

What kind of child?

God of Israel = 666
Israel of God = 666

There is an Israel that is not yet of God, and a god of Israel who is not the true God.

A face of Jesus = 666

A Savior God = 666

Not a saviour or a face, but the Saviour.

One Christ = 666

Christ's face = 666
The Holy Head = 666

The New Age christ and his face that they all put on, but not the True Christ. One counterfeit anti-Christ and holy head.

No doubt there are some chance readings

I believe there must still be the element of FAITH in the equation.

In your post you say,

But now I must reveal what is really my major
complaint with the multiples-of-6 system you have
shown here. How does it logically follow from the
fact that man was created on the 6th day of creation,
that we should multiply the counting values for our
letters (A=1, B=2, C=3, ... , Z=26) by 6, and assign
A=6, B=12, C=18, etc? It makes no sense at all, in
my opinion.

Dr. Jerry Church, founder and director of the Prophecy in the News, developed this gematria system for the English alphabet based on the ancient Sumerian civilization's method of calculating. The Sumerian civilization is the most ancient and their system of counting the very first.  Their system was based on counting in increments of six as opposed to ten as in the metric system. The Sumerian system can still be seen in our use of the foot (12 inches = 2 x 6) and yard (36 inches = 6 x 6) and in our sexagesimal measurement of time (60 seconds, 60 minuets, and our 24 hours, and 12 months.).  Applying this fact and the Sumerian numbering system Dr. Church developed an English gematria based on increments of six by adding 6 to each letter of our alphabet (i.e. A = 6, B = 12, C = 18, D = 24, E = 30, etc).  It seems to me that the last major language of the last days ought to be based on 6 similar to that of the first major civilization's.  Surely they had a method to count single units also, but that is not our purpose here.

Furthermore, I believe that 6 is the correct number to use in our system of counting, because the text tells us, "it is the number of a man" and we know that numbers have meaning in the Bible, the number of man being 6.  Man was created on the 6th day, part of his cursed was to work 6 days a week, there were 6 waterpots that needed filling (symbolic of people needing the filling of the Spirit),  the Hebrew word "abaddon" (Strong's #11) translated "destruction" is found just 6 times (Job 26:6, 28:22, 31:12; Psalm 88:11; Proverbs 15:11; 27:20),  the Greek word "asebeia" (Strong's #763) translated "ungodly" and "ungodliness" is found only 6 times (Romans 1:18, 11:26; 2 Timothy 2:16; Titus 2:12; Jude 1:15, 1:18), and the Greek word "bdelugma" (Strong's #946) which is translated "abomination" is in the Bible just 6 times (Matthew 24:15; Mark 13:14; Luke 16:15; Revelation 17:4-5, 21:27), etc.  These are the precedents.   I believe we are on a solid foundation with it.  the Therefore, it is not illogical to use the Bible number for man in our system.

STAFF LIKE A BEAM = 666 (2 Sam. 21:19)
SIX TOES = 666 (2 Sam. 21:20)

Contrary to what you have said I have often thought when people bring up other systems that there is no precedent or solid foundation for them, or any English Gematria, except that found within the text and the Biblical meaning of the number 6.  That is the one that counts.  Furthermore there is no reason that I can think of to be interested in 111 or 333, or 555 or 777 or 999.  They are not mandated in Scripture, 6 and 666 is.

The two beasts of Revelation 13 symbolize the Antichrist and False Prophet who will use science and technology to control "them that dwell on the earth."  Your theory about science leaves out a lot of confirmed Biblical prophecy.

Thanks for your information though. 

Important question for you:  Have you received the Lord Jesus Christ?

Look forward to talking to you again.  He is coming back soon!

Sincerely,
John Henry




On Jul 3, 7:53 pm Judson Pewther wrote:

On Jun 29, 8:38 am, John Henry wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> Have you all heard of English Gematria?
> The Hebrew, Greek and other ancient languages
> used their letters for numbers also. Gematria is
> the use of these alpha/numerics to find
> the values of words. [snip]

Hi John Henry.

Because of my interest in the prophecy of Revelation 13 and the number 666, I have seen various forms of English gematria over the years, in books and on the Web, including the form of gematria you show further down in your message, which was briefly mentioned in Del Washburn's book "Theomatics," published in 1977. I have also tried out some methods of my own (some of which result in very large numbers) and wrote a gematria calculator program for my Atari 800 computer back in the early 1980's. I haven't had the time and energy to get re-involved in computer programming lately. However, I still fool around with gematria, just using a pocket calculator.

Anagrams are especially interesting because no matter what numerical values one assigns to the letters of the alphabet, the gematria sums for anagrams will always be equal. That's because one is just adding up the same numbers in a different order. For example, using the multiples of 6 system you have shown, each of the above would add up to 1614.