Brian Howell
Jun 27, 2016, 12:19:23 PM6/27/16
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An interesting article on the Netherlands, which is about to undertake a two-year experiment that will provide a select few with a fixed basic income. Long a populists dream, Bernie Sanders is very much a supporter of the idea. Richard Nixon proposed just such a plan back in 1969. And Thomas Paine proposed a similar concept to benefit young people back in 1797. Notwithstanding the cost to the American Treasury (estimated at more than $3T per year, which is about the amount the IRS takes in—changes in the corporate tax structure, anybody), we are facing a future with just such a need as discussed heretofore, as many blue collar and event white collar jobs are replaced with automation.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34175290 (one of the best parodies of the March of Progress that I've seen)
David Fetter
Jun 27, 2016, 4:21:00 PM6/27/16
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The people moving forward on the UBI/BIG/what have you programs
generally see them as investments with pretty large ROIs. I'd love to
see more numbers as they come out of smaller-scale experiments, both
in population and in time.
https://medium.com/basic-income/universal-basic-income-as-the-social-vaccine-of-the-21st-century-d66dff39073#.chmep2piz
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generally see them as investments with pretty large ROIs. I'd love to
see more numbers as they come out of smaller-scale experiments, both
in population and in time.
https://medium.com/basic-income/universal-basic-income-as-the-social-vaccine-of-the-21st-century-d66dff39073#.chmep2piz
Cheers,
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jack saunders
Jun 27, 2016, 4:35:40 PM6/27/16
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Fascinating idea. Will the un-integrated stay bought-off? Depends on the steepness of the isolation....which I doubt is feasible unless bandwidth is made conspicuously expensive. Once "in" vicariously, they will want to renegotiate. You are rejecting ambition, and all that flows from it. It's the second half that gets re-thought. UPDATE: The Swiss last week rejected a "negative income tax" trial, decisively. Now, for historical perspective, Switzerland gave women the right to vote in 1973...so, not much record for cutting edge social policy.
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