This Is How Fast America Changes Its Mind

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Craig Good

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Apr 28, 2015, 7:53:39 PM4/28/15
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Brian Howell

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Apr 30, 2015, 12:37:02 AM4/30/15
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Cool graphics, but they’re comparing apples and an orange. In the case of each of the issues, save same sex marriage, change was primarily enacted by either state legislative action or by plebiscite. In the case of SSM, the majority of the changes have been because of actions of federal courts, the decisions of which have often been overwhelmingly adversarial to the political interests of the states so affected. Consequently, it must be argued that a majority of the states where SSM is now legal, did not change their minds. The graphic is misleading and inappropriately titled.

Craig Good

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Apr 30, 2015, 1:15:41 AM4/30/15
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On Apr 29, 2015, at 21:37 PM, Brian Howell <bdho...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Consequently, it must be argued that a majority of the states where SSM is now legal, did not change their minds. The graphic is misleading and inappropriately titled.


I’d buy that more if it were titled “This is how fast Americans Change Their Minds”. America, the abstraction, has many ways to change its mind. I thought it was just interesting seeing how steep some of the slopes of change were.

Penn Jillette has talked about how amazed he is at the speed of attitude change on homosexuals. In 1995 who would have guessed that wide-spread SSM was only twenty years away? It’s now just a generational issue. Enough old fogies die and the problem is over.




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jack saunders

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Apr 30, 2015, 11:41:35 AM4/30/15
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That's right.  SSM lost 13 elections in a row before a court order gave the movement the toe-hold of credibility it needed.  This is where leadership comes in.  "Time for a change," somebody has to say....and it usually needs to be someone who won't benefit.  "More money for poor folks" must come from a rich man.  Otherwise, it's just another pitch.

 


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jack saunders

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Apr 30, 2015, 11:43:14 AM4/30/15
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Yes, indeed.  The Grim Reaper is the most powerful change agent operating.
 


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