"I love Hispanics!"

[Brian Howell]

I... I... I... I just don't know what the hell to say here.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/05/donald_trump_eats_a_taco_bowl_so_deep_is_his_love_for_hispanics.html

[Craig Good]

> On May 5, 2016, at 18:32 PM, Brian Howell <bdho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I... I... I... I just don't know what the hell to say here.
>

I do:

Poe’s Law rules the universe.



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[Brian Howell]

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/83981070/?client=safari#

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[alanjoh...@gmail.com]

Clearly many voters this year care more about the "apprentice" than honesty and civility

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[Jack Saunders]

Never under-estimate the power of a rip tide fad.

On May 5, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Brian Howell <bdho...@gmail.com> wrote:

I... I... I... I just don't know what the hell to say here.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/05/donald_trump_eats_a_taco_bowl_so_deep_is_his_love_for_hispanics.html

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[Jack Saunders]

Hillary Clinton is ripped on "honesty."  I think honesty as understood by the C students is way over-rated.  As a practical matter it's irrelevant as a variable in presidential politics, since no candidate who has not built a reputation for operational trustworthiness among hundreds of government associates can't get anywhere close.  Look at Lyin' Ted...outed by fellow Republican Boehner as "the worst son of a bitch I've ever worked with."  Hillary would not be where she is without a basic colleague consensus on practical honesty.

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[jack saunders]

Brian laughed at the "I love Hispanics" quote.  Did you catch the night he was going down the exit poll detail from South Carolina, bragging about how he captured every demographic segment -- when he came upon "the poorly educated".  "I love the poorly educated," he thundered.  I certainly rang honest.

 

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I... I... I... I just don't know what the hell to say here.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/05/donald_trump_eats_a_taco_bowl_so_deep_is_his_love_for_hispanics.html

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[Scott Hotes]

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:50 AM, jack saunders <jack...@pacbell.net> wrote:

Brian laughed at the "I love Hispanics" quote.  Did you catch the night he was going down the exit poll detail from South Carolina, bragging about how he captured every demographic segment -- when he came upon "the poorly educated".  "I love the poorly educated," he thundered.  I certainly rang honest.

 Trump often comes off as the guy with such a weak ego, that he responds immediately

and without filter to good and bad feedback.  You vote for me, I love you.  Paul Ryan

yesterday made a ridiculous comment that he "was not yet ready to support Trump",

to which Trump ridiculously responded with "I'm not ready to support Ryan's agenda

in Congress"... Yikes!  The most concerning part of this to me is how easily it could

be manipulated.  I just want to be loved!  What do I need to do to be loved!  Putin could

have a field day with this...

OTOH, the transparency (I don't think I can go as far as to say "honesty") is somewhat

refreshing here.  He loves the poorly educated because they vote for him.  OK, fine.

As many people have already remarked, Trump's success is built in part from the

decades of false promises politicians have made to the middle class.  By and large,

our politicians are already bought and sold by corporate interests, how could they

make good with their promises?  Trump, for all his infantile bluster, is, at least for

now, further away from this kind of corporate ownership.  Maybe it's a desperate last

hope the the disenfranchised, but really, what else do they have?  Related:  I would

love if someone leaked transcripts of Hillary's speeches to Wall Street banks.  Maybe

we'd learn something about her "practical honesty" (wow, that phrase sounds a lot

like "truthiness"...)

Scott

[jack saunders]

I agree with Scott that part of Trump's popularity is his seemingly unguarded candor.

You wouldn't necessarily call it honesty, yet the game is so easily seen that it passes for candor.

 

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[Craig Good]

I think Trump is the poster boy for the Dunning Kruger Effect, and that he honestly believes most of what he says. His dishonesty is that of the unscrupulous salesman who exaggerates for advantage. I think that Hillary is just a reflexive, pathological liar. She and her husband both lie out of habit even when it’s not to their advantage.

I wouldn’t trust either of them farther than I can throw a bus.

> On May 6, 2016, at 12:11 PM, jack saunders <jack...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> I agree with Scott that part of Trump's popularity is his seemingly unguarded candor.
> You wouldn't necessarily call it honesty, yet the game is so easily seen that it passes for candor.

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[jack saunders]

"I am what I am.  Deal with it."  

He says that all the time, and it's getting results.

But *only* (in my opinion) because of his vast wealth.

Had the script for All in the Family made Archie a very rich man, I doubt the show would ever have been green-lighted.

It would have been too scary.

This is novelty that is playing out -- again, the power of a rip tide fad.

 

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[alan pearson]

hi

isn’t it also that trump has not endorsed the republican doctrine.  ryan is in effect saying, “trump if you endorse the republican doctrine i’ll endorse you”.  trump is saying “no ryan, you endorse my doctrine first” … i see this as the beginning of positional negotiation .  trump is very comfortable playing out these battles in the glare of the media spotlight using twitter whereas conventional politicians are more cagy.  trump is bold i’ll give you that. bold but not wise - eventually he is going to need the support of republican party that he has been selected to represent.  going to battle with the republican establishment in the open may work in a business model  where the goal is to beat an oponent but not when the objective is to build consensus.  using positional bargaining, which is trump’s approach is not a good model to  follow so as to achieve a win-win relationship with the republican leadership. i’ve included a link to “getting t yes” which is a technique for gaining consensus where the objectives of each position are examined first before each side in the negotiation exposes their position.

http://www.colorado.edu/conflict/peace/example/fish7513.htm

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[Vince Koloski]

I was listening to Willie Brown on KCBS this morning. They were congratulating him on his pick this past January of Trump to win the Republican nomination. 

He further stated that he believes the election is "Trump's to lose."

A lot of these sorts of predictions are for shock value but Slick Willie has an almost preternatural sense of political trends. 

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[Brandon Gates]

On Friday, May 6, 2016 at 11:52:03 AM UTC-7, Scott Hotes wrote:

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 10:50 AM, jack saunders <jack...@pacbell.net> wrote:

Brian laughed at the "I love Hispanics" quote.  Did you catch the night he was going down the exit poll detail from South Carolina, bragging about how he captured every demographic segment -- when he came upon "the poorly educated".  "I love the poorly educated," he thundered.  I certainly rang honest.

The most concerning part of this to me is how easily it could

be manipulated.  I just want to be loved!  What do I need to do to be loved!  Putin could

have a field day with this...

Or his Cabinet.

[jack saunders]

Good point, Alan.  Trump is not an inexperienced negotiator.  Nor is he afraid to bring the talks to crisis.

The standard issue politician is pretty much by definition someone with a history of avoiding blow-ups.

The crazy brave get weeded out before they come to national attention.

But in this case, the man has built his whole shtick on show-downs.

Things we take to be embarrassment are not terribly frightening to him.

 

 

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[jack saunders]

I'll say again:  Much is up to ISIS.  It is possible that he has scared them as much as he thinks he has.  It is also possible that in their peculiar calculus, they want to have it out with a man like Trump.  If that's their calculation, they have it in their power to arrange that in October.

 

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[Matt Fish]

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 12:34 PM jack saunders <jack...@pacbell.net> wrote:

"I am what I am.  Deal with it."  

He says that all the time, and it's getting results.

But *only* (in my opinion) because of his vast wealth.

Had the script for All in the Family made Archie a very rich man, I doubt the show would ever have been green-lighted.

It would have been too scary.

This is novelty that is playing out -- again, the power of a rip tide fad.

Jack, I disagree that Trump is a fad or a novelty playing itself out. If that were true, why is he gaining in his state by state results? Why won't the media get tired of him and stop giving him wall to wall coverage? I think there's more at work going on with Trump. 

I'd be curious to see what the group things of this long-form piece by Andrew Sullivan:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

[alanjoh...@gmail.com]

I agree with Matt here.  Whereas I'm not sure if trump will win - primarily due to his lack of political alliances - the populist trend is substantive.  The US voter base is more reactive than in past election cycles.  Focus is on short term impacts and not long term  trends.  People want to get rich without putting in the effort.  Politicians need to adjust to this trend and listen rather than preach

Cheers

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[jack saunders]

Maybe fad is a needlessly loaded word.  Try trend.....like smartphones.

The main point is that millions have decided to flip the bird in the face of the establishment, a big, loud "FU" ... and that bit is new.

It apparently feels good to a surprising number of people who fancy no big risk in doing something insultingly different -- insulting to elites.

That's the rip tide fad part, and it could go on long enough to put Trump in the White House....where he could soon enough be impeached unless he mends his ways.  That's why people should inspect his running mate with great care.

 

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[Craig Good]

> On May 7, 2016, at 13:53 PM, jack saunders <jack...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> It apparently feels good to a surprising number of people who fancy no big risk in doing something insultingly different -- insulting to elites.
>

As per usual, Dan Carlin has an interesting take on this. His latest “Common Sense” podcast examines the effect a Trump presidency could have on foreign policy — and it’s not all bad news.

http://www.dancarlin.com/

“A Catalyst for the Inconceivable”

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