Would like group's concerns about a long coastal cruise in a Nonsuch 22

[Brooks Bridges]

The price of trucking my Nonsuch 22 several hundred miles has, not surprisingly, discouraged a number of very interested parties.

One party has suggested cruising the boat from Chesapeake Bay MD to coastal NE. They have had very limited experience with another 22. 

I would not want  anyone to do something risky just to sell the boat so looking for opinions. 

Check out the For Sale section for details on boat.

I have fitted it with a new 9,9 fuel injected outboard engine, new sail, replaced most blocks, assured running rigging is in good shape. Rudder, tiller, autopilot (1000 model) all in good condition.

It does not have built in GPS - I used Navionics on my phone for local sailing. It has a working depth meter and compass. 

Life lines show rust. Coast Guard flares out of date. Needs new battery.

Has Airhead composting toilet. Most waterlines replaced and system chloroxed 2 years ago.

Running and steaming lights working.

As a previous Nonsuch 30 owner (sailed to Bahamas and back) I find the 22 to be much more sensitive to wind speed. Much over 10 knots, heel becomes excessive so it requires reefing early and often

Thanks in advance, Brooks Bridges

[Ron Weber]

Brooks, I still have my custom made for N22 trailer available. I trailered my N22 from Cleveland to Punta Gorda using a U-Haul 15' box truck. Much safer than an offshore trip in a "new to you" vessel of any size. Any sort of break down or mishap could be very costly.

Ron Weber

N22 Magic Time

Punta Gorda Fl

[Bob Neches (Solar Wind, N26C #143)]

I'm on the opposite coast, so I can't advise wrt weather issues and local conditions. 

I can comment that, for a delivery, one option is to focus on speed and simply motor directly between stops.  I've in the past seen a 24' sailboat from Los Angeles to San Diego (about 120 miles) delivered to its new owner by a delivery skipper motoring straight through in a day with a 6 hp outboard.

The Nonsuch 26U that I've just bought is being delivered by a crew that expects to push straight through from San Francisco Bay to Marina del Rey (about 350 miles) in 55 hours.

How much fuel is on the boat, is there space for spare tanks, and what range do you estimate it has under power?

-- Bob

   Solar Wind

   Nonsuch 26C #143 (transitioning to my new Nonsuch)

[Joe Weinbrecht]

I delivered my 22ob 100 miles up the Chesapeake from Solomon to the Sassafras in 3 days.

With a good motor and weather window, up the bay, down the Delaware and up the NJ coast would be doable if not a long slow trip..less than 1/3 gal.per hour.

Joe 

Ns26c# 156

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[Howard Wright]

Should be plenty of wind to go from San Francisco to Marina Del Rey during that time of year. I have done three San Francisco to San Diego races on a Moore 24 when I was younger. It’s a piece of cake, except it can get pretty windy and big seas around Big Sur area and Point Conception. From MDR to San Diego is a lot less wind.

 I would think a Nonsuch would not have a hard time going dead down wind. If the wind goes up more than 20 kn, you can reef down pretty easily. My Nonsuch 26C has about 25 gallons for fuel, I’m not sure how far that would take me, but I would guess it would be probably 200 miles.

Howard Wright

NS26C Merrythought

Friday Harbor, WA

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[willi powell]

Hi Howard,

I raced out of Santa Cruz for years on Moore 24’s and SC27’s. those boats plane and surf so they are ok on big waves. The NS just digs in deeper as she goes faster. 

The Moore  24 has been around the world solo. The Nonsuch has not.

There are not many places to pull in once you pass Monterey and as you say Big Sur can be gnarly.

Me personally, I would sail the M24 and trailer the NS22

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Toronto Canada

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Should be plenty of wind to go from San Francisco to Marina Del Rey during that time of year. I have done three San Francisco to San Diego races on a Moore 24 when I was younger. It’s a piece of cake, except it can get pretty windy and big seas around Big Sur area and Point Conception. From MDR to San Diego is a lot less wind.

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[peter farley]

I just did this trip on a friends boat from Rock Hall MD to Keyport NJ but on a bigger boat.

The problem you will have is after you get through the channel there is no real easy place to stop till you get to Cape May.

I would plan this based on your normal cruising speed with the motor running and no sailing. 

Plan to wait at the channel exit unit you can ride the tide down the Delaware bay.

The Delaware bay can get very nasty with large steep waves. So you want to make sure you have good weather.

With a 22 I would go through the Cape May Channel and take the inside route up Barnegat Bay to Point Pleasant.

This gives you just the long haul down the Delaware bay, the rest is sheltered.

 If you go off shore you will need to stay about 5 miles out for the shoaling and the fishing boats.

This should help.

Transiting New Jersey waters - Update | Waterway Guide News Update

Peter Farley

Knot in a hurry U30 #328

Keyport, NJ

[Brooks Bridges]

Thanks very much Peter. Very pertinent info. Looks like 55 or so nm from channel exit to Cap May - not trivial - can see weather and tide very important. And interested party is going just north of NYC so a lot of very busy waterways to navigate. 

[Joe Weinbrecht]

Brooks, as a longtime New Jersey boater I can tell you you do NOT want to take an Inside passage from Cape May to Point Pleasant. The twenty two's draft is too much for those back waters which are very shoaled and poorly marked as the CG continues to remove markers.

It's an easy jump from Cape May to Atlantic City and from Atlantic City to Point Pleasant or Barnegat if the weather is good. Another easy jump to Atlantic Highlands.

 It all depends on having good weather windows.

I've done it a mile or two offshore. It's just a long ride.

Joe

Ns26c# 156

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[Howard C. Wright]

I guess I have a lot more to learn on what the Nonsuch can do and what it can’t do. I’m glad I’m using it in the relative shelter of the Salish Sea.

Howard

nS26C Merrythought 

Friday Harbor, WA

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Hi Howard,

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[Peter Moodie]

There is quite a thorough discussion on planning this trip on another site:

https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/225754-departure-wx-chesapeake-to-maine/

Also here for the planning phase:

https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?/topic/225214-final-details-trip-planning/page/6/&tab=comments#comment-7582566

I hope I have not offended a forum rule posting an outside reference.

Peter Moodie

Nonsuch 30U Catalyst #366

Sidney BC/Winnipeg MB

[David Darmstadter]

I went from Annapolis, MD to Boothbay Harbor, ME on my 26U last summer with few issues. Went offshores from Cape May to Montauk. Delaware Bay was the worst. Plan on a lot of motoring and choose your weather window carefully. I had a 22 for several years and covered a lot of the Chesapeake with it. If you do any offshore travel, AIS is an excellent investment. 

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[Joe Valinoti]

I guess I’m a little more adventurous then Joe W. as I’ve taken the inland route through NJ with my 30 at least twice,  The only part you can’t do is that part just below Atlantic City with a fixed 37 ft bridge.  You can go out at Cape May, come in at Atlantic City and then out at Manasquan Inlet.  I don’t remember a problem with my 4 ft draft.  However, it is a winding road and on summer weekends, a real ZOO!  There are several other places to jump out into the Atlantic south of Manasquan.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Joe Weinbrecht]

Joe,

We both failed to mention the NJ State Bird...the dreaded GREEN HEAD FLY...the back waters are filled with them...a friend claims they are what generate the 10-15kt SE winds every afternoon along the shore.😆

Joe

NS26C #156

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[Joe Valinoti]

Roger that.  Actually, the last time I went north was to Greenport in 2017 for the Nonsuch rendezvous.  We left Oriental the end of June in 95 degrees and it never cooled off until we got to north of Cape May.  Because we had tail winds of about 6 knots, there was no apparent wind since that was our SOA.  We were stopped for the night in Ortley Beach and a big squall came through and finally got us some relief.  The flies were the worse part and started the first day and even several miles off the Jersey Coast would bother us.

 

Joe

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[peter farley]

I guess I am being cautious but we are talking about a 22 foot boat with no AIS and a cell phone for a chart plotter.I have been off shore several times but in boats with redundant systems. It is about 60 miles from AC To point pleasant.  I would think motoring you can do about 5 knots and the means 12 hours. There are not a lot of places to hide from a thunderstorm. You didn’t It say what anchor and rode you have. Also I think you draft is 3.5 feet?

[Joe Valinoti]

I was just responding to Joe W’s post about going inside.  BTW, there are 3 or 4 places to duck in between AC and Manasquan Inlet. 

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Brooks Bridges]

Thanks very much for links Peter. I'll salt them away.

[Brooks Bridges]

I really appreciate all the inputs and if this attempt becomes more likely I will definitely pass on all the good advice, including about the flies.

I have already strongly suggested investing in a good anchor and suitable rode, a good GPS, AIS. 

It seems to me it could be a safe trip with equipment upgrades and a cautious captain who is NOT on a schedule.

Over the years, it has become obvious to me that the biggest dangers to a safe passge are 

1) rough water and years of crud in fuel tank and 

2) Trying to keep to a schedule leading to taking risks.  

In this case, the fuel tanks are gas and fairly new, eliminating (1).  

Again, many thanks.