Main sail cradle lines Length

[Steve Foose]

Finishing up the re build of Jules Verne. Ultra 30  428.    Mast   Motor.  And so much more

Re doing the running rigging.  

Looking for the lengths of the 6 cradle lines. Before installing rhe wishbone.  

Also looking for more info on how the main sheet is routed. On different 30’s. 

Text or email.   413-4466835.     Sfo...@gmail.com.   On WhatsApp. 

In the Bahamas working on this in a remote yard.  So not a lot of resources. 

the info is out there just can’t find it.   

Thanks in advance.  

Gteen turtle cay.  Bahamas.    

[Val Aries]

There's s section called manuals on the Nonsuch.org site, this is from the NS30 manual. Tons of useful information there.

On Mar 6, 2024, at 1:30 PM, Steve Foose <sfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Steve Foose]

Thanks BUT not. Spesific enough.  Just a total   I have the manual too

Need length eye to eye of each.  

And main sheet. Attachment points. And sleeve types.  Pictures work too

Thank you 

Steve. U 30. 428. Bahamas

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On Mar 6, 2024, at 1:35 PM, Val Aries <val....@hotmail.com> wrote:



There's s section called manuals on the Nonsuch.org site, this is from the NS30 manual. Tons of useful information there.

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On Mar 6, 2024, at 1:30 PM, Steve Foose <sfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Finishing up the re build of Jules Verne. Ultra 30  428.    Mast   Motor.  And so much more

Re doing the running rigging.  

Looking for the lengths of the 6 cradle lines. Before installing rhe wishbone.  

Also looking for more info on how the main sheet is routed. On different 30’s. 

Text or email.   413-4466835.     Sfo...@gmail.com.   On WhatsApp. 

In the Bahamas working on this in a remote yard.  So not a lot of resources. 

the info is out there just can’t find it.   

Thanks in advance.  

Gteen turtle cay.  Bahamas.    

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[Joe Valinoti]

Steve:  Do yourself a favor and use straps rather then line to protect the sail cover.  Also, use sister clips to connect the straps together to make it easier when removing and installing sail.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Michael Stangl]

Joe,

Do you have any photos of how you use straps for the sail cradle rather than lines?

Thanks,

Mike

Mariposa

Nonsuch 30U / Hull #272

Dutch Harbor, RI

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[Bob Neches (Me Gusta, Nonsuch 26U #233)]

To SFoose (by the way, what's your name?):

Regarding the cradle lines -  even if your sail has cringles for running the lines through along the foot, you're much better off running them completely under the sail and not attached to it.  This has two advantages.  First, you won't need exact measurements for the cradle lines.  You can just tie off long-enough lines to each of the eyes on each side of the boom, use sister clips as Joe suggested or tie them off to each when you see how much you need, and cut off the excess.  Second, this will save you a lot of trouble in managing sail covers later on.

To Mike: I don't have photos, but the general idea is to make straps long enough so that the strap rather than the line will be what touches your sail cover.  Make them with an eye at each end, and tie the cradle lines to those eyes.  Adjust on each side until the straps are positioned where you want them, then cut the excess line length.  An easy way to make the straps is to buy 1" webbing, fold each end over a D-ring, and sew the folded piece down in a pattern of a square with an X crossing the corners of the square.

Straps are a very good idea if you have a conventional bottom-zipping sail cover.  There are also several designs for very good top-zipping covers,  in some of which the entire cover supports the sail as the cradle lines run to the outer sides of the cover.

-- Bob

   Me Gusta

   Nonsuch e26U #233

[Bob Neches (Me Gusta, Nonsuch 26U #233)]

Also, if you're an INA member, the New Nonsuch Owners Guide has pictures of much of rigging routing.  The pictures aren't from a 30, but the principles are pretty much the same across all.

Log on to the www.Nonsuch.org website, select the MEMBERS tab, click on MANUALS, and the New Guide is in there along with all the original guides.

-- Bob

   Me Gusta

   Nonsuch e26U #233

[Joe Valinoti]

Sorry Mike, I looked, but I don’t.  However, there was a discussion on that subject so it should be in the annals on the website.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Michael Stangl]

Bob,

That was a good description of the strap installation.  I can now visualize what you did. 

Thanks,

Mike

Mariposa

NS 30U / Hull #272

Dutch Harbor, RI,

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[Rob Powers]

Hi,

I thought I should use D rings on our lines as well but the Canvas maker suggested the round rings. that way they are always in the right position even when they turn. The D rings will turn and be out of position. However if you have the webbing through the D side and it is a good fit it may not be an issue.

Rob Powers

Respite 26C #50

Sidney BC

[theen...@comcast.net]

Good evening,

 

I agree with Rob.  “D” rings can be a nuisance factor.  For sail cover purposes, round should be considered.

 

Cheers

 

Butch

 

 

Butch Garren

Nonsuch 30 #196  “Whiskers II”

SIYC Slip 12

Solomons, MD

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[BRIAN CAYER]

Steve,

This page shows each cradle line length. 

I will be adding sister clips and perhaps straps under my Mack Pack this season

Glad to see you are pulling this salvage job together.

Brian

Spirit~Wind

N30U 419

Deep River, CT

On Mar 6, 2024, at 1:53 PM, Steve Foose <sfo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks BUT not. Spesific enough.  Just a total   I have the manual too

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[Ernie Abugov P/O NS22 o/b #56 "Moustaches"]

Steve - I've attached a few photos. I used to sail an NS 22. I had 4 cradle lines. They attached to the boom with cheap (but solid) cast aluminum "doodads". They'd come off for the winter when the boat ws on the hard. The pad eyes (???) installed on the (aluminum) boom were made of S/S but I never had a problem with mixed metals. The actual cords (from either side) dropped down and were tied to one end of a webbing strap (through grommet holes) that a sailmaker made up for me (for cheap). The webbing actually went under both the sail and the homemade "StackPac", though one of the photos shows the sail reefed and no sail cover.

So, you hook the lines on to the padeyes on the boom. Because your lines are a little long, you tie each line to one end of each strap and then you fiddle and adjust the length of the lines. Once it's all adjusted and you've gone sailing and you are happy with your lengths, you can trim off the excess cord and burn the ends of the cords. 

That was my way of dealing with this and it worked 100%. Sister clips are wonderful and could be worked into this arrangement. The reason that you've been cautioned to have your sail (and sail cover) suspended on straps is because raw cord will, in the long term, abrade your sail and it's cover. Straps are way more gentle on a pile of sail sitting on them.

Possibly, the tricky thing down where you are is to simply get some kind of shop to fabricate the straps. They were around 3' long closer to the mast (where there is much more packed-up sail) down to 2' long at the stern end. Just measure it on your boat then make them a bit longer, just to play it safe.

Good luck with this.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Steve Foose]

Thank you to All

Appreciate the assistance.  

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On Mar 6, 2024, at 7:33 PM, Ernie Abugov P/O NS22 o/b #56 "Moustaches" <ernest...@gmail.com> wrote:

Steve - I've attached a few photos. I used to sail an NS 22. I had 4 cradle lines. They attached to the boom with cheap (but solid) cast aluminum "doodads". They'd come off for the winter when the boat ws on the hard. The pad eyes (???) installed on the (aluminum) boom were made of S/S but I never had a problem with mixed metals. The actual cords (from either side) dropped down and were tied to one end of a webbing strap (through grommet holes) that a sailmaker made up for me (for cheap). The webbing actually went under both the sail and the homemade "StackPac", though one of the photos shows the sail reefed and no sail cover.

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[Ernie Abugov P/O NS22 o/b #56 "Moustaches"]

Nice hunk of boat, Steve.

Ernie A. in Toronto

[Peter Grabow]

Hi Steve,

From my owner's manual for 30Ultra #430, please see the attached - this document provides what you were requesting, the individual lengths of each of the cradle lines.

Joe Valanoti's point of flat straps if possible are much nicer to your sail/sailcover.  Before switching to a StackPack I had flat straps with D rings on each end for under the cover. The D rings were connected to cords from the boom by spring-loaded clips. This worked very well and made it very easy to undo the cradle lines to remove the sail, or the reverse.

I've attached an old photo that shows the flat straps and D rings attached to cord that then attaches to the boom. Please excuse the sloppiness of my sail...

Peter Grabow

S/V CAKE WALK III

1987 30U 430

Jersey City, NJ

[Peter Grabow]

Sorry Joe V - I misspelled your last name in my post...

Peter

[Peter Grabow]

Hi Steve - again,

the photo I posted of the flat cradle lines and D rings do not show the spring clips... the spring clips were apparently added after this photo was taken.

Ah - found a photo that shows the clips - somewhat. If you can, zoom in!

and a commercial photo of the same type of clip I used... there are many options out there!

Hope this helps.

Peter Grabow