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Nov 16, 2023, 3:13:49 PM11/16/23
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Hi Tim,

You are correct. The Nonsuch mast is too far forward to consider a junk rig unless you add a mizzen. FYI when Jorgen Moller and I chose the standing gaff rig for our boats we experimented with using it as a lugsail prior to rigging it as a standing gaff. Apart from the sail plan being too far forward, we found that it was too much work dropping and stowing the sail, especially when sailing single handed. In addition, it would have been necessary to add a mizzen. Our objectives were to simplify the rig and improve safety so we stuck with the standing gaff which has proved to be extremely well balanced in light to heavy winds. As a result we have full control in winds of more than 30 knots without reefing, but for comfort we tend to reef by 25 knots.

Mascouche with her standing gaff rig. The bimini has been folded forward. 
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Pondus 26 #33 sailing with an experimental lugsail.
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It gave great flexibility going downwind, but a handful in a breeze!   

Pondus with her standing gaff rig. The luff is 7 feet shorter than the standard Nonsuch sail with a 5'  shorter  foot

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Note the clear lines of sight due to the boom being mounted 4' above the deck
Cheers,

John Newell
Mascouche 26C 1 Toronto

On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 11:40 AM <INA-Nonsuch-Di...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
"Tim in STL, NS26Ue White O'morn" <whiteom...@gmail.com>: Nov 16 08:09AM -0800

I sailed a Great Pelican for about 15 years, it is a relatively small boat,
16' on deck with an 8' beam. She had a sail that was a cross between a
standing lug and a junk. i am a firm believer in the junk rig. The boat
was fast for her size and jibing a junk rig is painless no matte what the
wind strength is. I have often though about converting our Nonsuch, but i
do not know enough about rig design. I think that the mast is too far
forward to simply replace the sail and boom with a junk sail.
Here is an article that just reawakened my interest:
https://www.pbo.co.uk/boats/winning-ways-with-a-junk-rig-81347?lrh=60290c7bdefad79c0d8abc4800f03b02496cfeb786c6f3ada242184ce882330d
 
Tim in STL
White O’morn NS e26U #216
Harbor Point Yacht Club
West Alton, MO
Tim Cordes <timc...@gmail.com>: Nov 15 09:24AM -0800

Bob - my install took exactly 25 feet of yellow 2/0 cable and 25 feet of
red 2/0 cable. Going back and forth across the transom running cable
forward from my transom-mounted busbars busbars used up both spools I
bought on Amazon. I wish I had about another two feet of red wire, but a
mistake in measuring early on left me with a pointless "service loop" at
the aft end of the starboard lazarette. If I had not goofed up there, I
think I would have been very happy with 25 feet.
 
Tim Cordes
Nonsuch e26C #32 "ENCORE"
Ford Yacht Club, Grosse Ile, Michigan
On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 12:19:01 AM UTC-5 Bob Neches (Me Gusta,
Nonsuch 26U #233) wrote:
 
"Bob Neches (Me Gusta, Nonsuch 26U #233)" <rtne...@gmail.com>: Nov 15 08:14PM -0800

I don't have my records, but I think mine was closer to 15-20 ft.
 
The Classic layout may have cost you more in wiring, Tim, but the benefits
you got in placing the battery weight further back are probably well worth
it.
 
-- Bob
Me Gusta
Nonsuch e26U #233
 
"Jim Johnston, 1985 NS30U \"Minou\", Ottawa" <jimjohns...@gmail.com>: Nov 15 07:49PM -0800

Hi Nicholas
I happen to have a used Brunton Autoprop three blade feathering prop
sitting in my garage these past 4 years. It was ultimately replaced with a
fixed 3 blade to accomodate the quirks of the electric motor installed in
2019. If you would like to buy it I am asking $1500+ shipping. Bearings
were replaced in 2016 and it was painted with anti-foul at that time. A
new one costs about US$3900.
 
Or, I also have a 3 blade feathering Kiwi prop for which I am asking
$900+shipping, also sitting in my garage! I think a new one is about
$2000. It too was not compatible with the electric drive.
 
Both props are about 14 or 15 inch, RH, 1 inch tapered shaft typical to
NS30's
 
If interested send me a note.
 
Jim
 
On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 5:42:50 PM UTC-5 Nicholas Hirst wrote:
 
"Thor (26C Brentwood Bay BC)" <thor....@gmail.com>: Nov 15 06:30PM -0800

We have switched to Predict Wind from Windy and Wind Finder, The data is
just easier to suss through. But off shore you better understand GRIB
forecast files and how to use them. A fellow named Lee Chesneau, a retired
NWF forecaster, gave an exellent lesson on the 500mb chart and the use of
a barometre at a seminar at the Chicago Boat show one year. Learned lot in
2 hours!
He still does lectures and if you can well worth trying to attend one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFclHHBEQeM
 
 
On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 8:38:59 AM UTC-8 johnboy...@gmail.com
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"Ernie Abugov P/O NS22 o/b #56 \"Moustaches\"" <ernest...@gmail.com>: Nov 15 11:54AM -0800

Lovely doors, Paul. Simple and smart.
 
Ernie A. in Toronto
 
 
 
On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 10:51:32 AM UTC-5 Paul Miller wrote:
 
"Joe Valinoti" <joes...@gmail.com>: Nov 15 01:25PM -0500

What size is the boat, Simon??
 
Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA
 
 
 
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From: Simon James
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 11:36 AM
To: INA Nonsuch Discussion Group
Subject: ‘Julie Marie’looking for east coast berth
 
Hi All
Boat and I are currently in bahamas, I’m looking for a reosnobly priced place to leave Julie Marie for 10 months, starting from now.January.
If anybody has any leads , please contact.
Email contact is dako...@hotmail.com
 
Simon cleaver
Nonsuch # 423, Aklins island , Bahamas
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Simon James <ogle...@gmail.com>: Nov 15 10:58AM -0800

Hi joe, she’s a 30.
 
On Wednesday, 15 November 2023 at 13:26:02 UTC-5 Joe Valinoti wrote:
 
"Joe Valinoti" <joes...@gmail.com>: Nov 15 02:04PM -0500

Simon: My YC Marina may have a spot dockm...@seaharbour.org 252 249-0808 Jenny Jones is the dockmaster.
PS, we already have five 30s here.
Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA
 
 
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From: Simon James
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 1:58 PM
To: INA Nonsuch Discussion Group
Subject: Re: ‘Julie Marie’looking for east coast berth
 
Hi joe, she’s a 30.
 
 
On Wednesday, 15 November 2023 at 13:26:02 UTC-5 Joe Valinoti wrote:
 
What size is the boat, Simon??
 
Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA
 
 
 
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From: Simon James
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2023 11:36 AM
To: INA Nonsuch Discussion Group
Subject: ‘Julie Marie’looking for east coast berth
 
Hi All
Boat and I are currently in bahamas, I’m looking for a reosnobly priced place to leave Julie Marie for 10 months, starting from now.January.
If anybody has any leads , please contact.
Email contact is dako...@hotmail.com
 
Simon cleaver
Nonsuch # 423, Aklins island , Bahamas
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BRIAN CAYER <b.k....@sbcglobal.net>: Nov 14 03:36PM -0500

Thanks for posting that well documented and clear presentation. I saved it to my boat stuff in Books. My memory is still trying to grasp the rig that slides into the two holes in the casting at the aft end of the wishbone boom and extends the aft reach for a vertical hoist. It involved a board and a couple of pipes and a shackle to hook the tackle.
 
Brian Cayer
 
Spirit~Wind
 
30U 419
 
Deep River, CT
 
On Nov 14, 2023, at 11:48 AM, Bob Neches (Me Gusta, Nonsuch 26U #233) <rtne...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 
Thanks, Mark.
 
Safety is important, so I feel ok posting the document here in the discussion group.
 
I still encourage folks to look at the website. Lotsa good stuff there.
 
-- Bob
 
Me Gusta
 
Nonsuch e26U #233
 
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 11:27:50 PM UTC-8 Mark Powers La Reina 26C Vancouver, BC wrote:
 
4:1 is way more than what is required for a cunningham. The current sail on La Reina has a luff that is exactly the max allowed under the INA Racing rules. In down wind and in light air up wind it is fine, but while beating into 15 plus knots of apparent wind scallops start to develop in the luff. The sail is at maximum hoist so hardening up on the halyard does not take the scallops out. Because of that I added a cunningham. I know it is only on a 26 but I can easily put enough tension on it to take the scallops out of the luff. It is a 2:1 purchase using a low friction ring.
 
The block and tackle can be used for hoisting items such as outboards or taking someone up the mast. I use the same rig for a preventer when La Reina is at rest. It is overkill for that use as a preventer, however I also use it as part of a man overboard recovery system in conjenction with two wire strops around the boom. If you go to the INA website, sign in and look under "Tips" you can find an article for A MOB Rescue Tackle that shows the system.
 
Mark Powers
 
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 5:08:25 PM UTC-8 joes...@gmail.com wrote:
 
roger that, Ernie.
 
Joe Valinoti
 
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
 
Sea Harbour YC
 
Oriental, NC USA
 
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From: Ernie Abugov P/O NS22 o/b #56 "Moustaches"
 
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 8:02 PM
 
To: INA Nonsuch Discussion Group
 
Subject: Re: NS33 - What's this for ?
 
Joe -
 
Whoa ..... whoa. I meant that the FINAL thing that I did (after lowering the front of the boom) was to, indeedy-do, use the topping lift to lower the back of the boom.
 
But ...... yeh, I could have been a tad clearer.
 
Ernie A. in Toronto
 
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 5:58:48 PM UTC-5 BRIAN CAYER wrote:
 
Is there anyone that recalls the rig that fit into the two holes in the aft casting of the wishboom? It provided for the attachment of the block and tackle being discussed and an easy hookup as well.
 
Brian Cayer
 
Spirit~Wind
 
Deep River, CT
 
On Nov 13, 2023, at 5:23 PM, Joe Valinoti <joes...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 
Ernie: What's the problem with using the topping lift?? I've done that for the last 20 years on at least 5 or 6 Nonsuches.
 
Joe Valinoti
 
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
 
Sea Harbour YC
 
Oriental, NC USA
 
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From: Ernie Abugov P/O NS22 o/b #56 "Moustaches"
 
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2023 1:34 PM
 
To: INA Nonsuch Discussion Group
 
Subject: Re: NS33 - What's this for ?
 
Rob -
 
Ward's instructions are bang-on. The last thing that I would do would be to lower the clew (aft) end of the boom using the topping lift.
 
Here's a little diagram to "clarify" the placement of the ladder. Make darn sure that you put a safety tie from the ladder to the mast, at both the bottom end and the top end of the ladder.
 
Ernie A. in Toronto
 
On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:15:20 AM UTC-5 Greg Silver wrote:
 
Hi Rob,
 
I agree with those who identify it as a lifting hoist to attach to your wishboom. I carry one on my boats. Useful for retrieving MOB in a Lifesling or lifting an outboard to your pushpit. In these cases, assuming sail is down, suggest attaching halyard to aft end of wishboom for full support of the load and take strain off topping lift. Also I have used this rig on my spare halyard to lift a dinghy from sea onto the coach roof.
 
Greg Silver
 
Misty Cat 26C #121
 
St. Peter's, Cape Breton
 
On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 2:10:46 pm UTC-4 Rob Cohen "Soave" NS33 Westport, CT wrote:
 
Hi All,
 
While going through the gear stowed on my recently purchased NS33, I found a nearly new 4:1 block & tackle setup with snap shackles on both ends and a jam cleat. It was in the starboard lazarette. It's rigged with about 35' of 3/8" line. Seems very intentional.
 
I'm stumped regarding how and when this might be useful on a NS33.
 
PO said she never used it.
 
Boat already has fully rigged dinghy davits.
 
Photo below........
 
Block & Tackle.jpg
 
Any thoughts ?
 
Thanks,
 
Rob Cohen
 
s/v SOAVE
 
NS33 #009
 
Westport, CT
 
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"Rob Cohen \"Soave\" NS33 Westport, CT" <rob....@gmail.com>: Nov 15 09:21AM -0800

Thanks Mark, I'll continue to sort through the odds and ends on Soave and
I'll bet I'll find the wire strops also.
 
Rob Cohen
s/v SOAVE
NS33 #009
Westport, CT
 

 
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