Barient 28 2 speed electric winch question

[Brian Cayer]

I have a 2 speed Barient electric winch that the winch handles that I have ( Lewmar) will not insert into the star fitting all the way. There is a spring loaded tube ( see picture ) that only allows it to enter only half way. Has anyone seen this before? 

Brian Cayer

Spirit~Wind

N30U 419

Westbrook, Ct

[Bob Gehrman]

My Barient 28 has the same fitting insert but the handle inserts fine. May need a rebuild?

Bob Gehrman

NS36 #52 “Fortunate”

Greenwich Bay, Rhode Island

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[Val Aries]

Just a wild guess, but the tube inside may be a fail safe that needs to be lowered in order for the handle to fit. Possibly to prevent you from forcing it when it's in "electric mode"? Again, just a wild guess.

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My Barient 28 has the same fitting insert but the handle inserts fine. May need a rebuild?

Bob Gehrman

NS36 #52 “Fortunate”

Greenwich Bay, Rhode Island

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I have a 2 speed Barient electric winch that the winch handles that I have ( Lewmar) will not insert into the star fitting all the way. There is a spring loaded tube ( see picture ) that only allows it to enter only half way. Has anyone seen this before? 

Brian Cayer

Spirit~Wind

N30U 419

Westbrook, Ct

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[Joe Valinoti]

There is a sleeve that appears to be out of place in the winch.  It needs to be pushed back down.  I don’t remember what holds it in place.  Look at the Barient winch section of your owner’s manual.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
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[BRIAN CAYER]

Researching this winch I came across this in the Barient catalog on this website 

Here is a picture of the add for the Barient 28 ST PW ( power winch ). It states,that the winches are identical above the deck. All the service manuals and Utube videos for the 28 rebuild mention nothing about a sleeve in the handle socket. I’m wondering if some P.O. dropped that piece in there to prevent anyone from leaving the handle in the socket.

I know Bob Gehrman said his has that sleeve ( Bob does your sleeve press down when you push it with something and can still see it? )

Thanks for the replies so far. I will probably try to take it apart tomorrow if I can get to the boat.

Brian Cayer

Spirit~Wind

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[BRIAN CAYER]

Oops,

Reading further the catalogue says that that the power is disconnected when the handle is inserted. Perhaps movement on that sleeve is inhibited by corrosion os something.

Brian Cayer

Spirit~Wind

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[Rob Cohen "Soave" NS33 Westport, CT]

Hi Brian,

Your assessment sounds correct.  Soave has an electric winch also, but I haven't inspected it closely enough to tell if the sleeve moves.  I will play with it next time I'm there and report what I find.  

Maybe this is a part of the winch that requires an inspection interval that is more frequent than the other parts of the winch ?

Good find.

Thanks,

Rob Cohen

s/v SOAVE

NS33 #009

Westport, CT

[Brian Godfrey]

   My Barient sheet winch started squealing last winter.  I took it apart to re-grease it and found the grease hardened to a lacquer-like consistency.  If that tubular part is supposed to slide up and down it may just be that the grease has hardened.  These winches need to be serviced occasionally to prevent permanent damage, so it seems that your first order of business is to take it apart and clean, inspect, and grease it.  You really want to take care of the winches because they are expensive to replace and the Barient ones aren't made any more.
   The servicing is not hard to do, but will go better if you watch a few YouTube videos first.  There are a number of good ones.  But there are differences between models and it's unlikely you'll find one that shows your exact model, so watch a few of them and you'll likely accumulate the knowledge you need to do yours. 
   One of our own members produced a winch servicing video series. I'm not at my computer now and can't give you the link, but you can find it with a search on the Google group site where you signed up for this group.
   They are actually very simple devices, so don't fear, just prepare.  Also, you'll probably want to get a spring kit at the least.  They are available through Amazon and other online sources, West Marine, etc. 

Brian Godfrey
Vela, NS33 #77, San Diego

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[Bob Neches (Me Gusta, Nonsuch 26U #233)]

Spare parts for Barient winches, to the extent they can still be found, are often available at Arco Hutton Winches: http://www.arco-winches.com/

They also have a web page with some specific tips on servicing Barients: http://www.arco-winches.com/products/service

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[Rob Cohen "Soave" NS33 Westport, CT]

Brian,

Was at the boat today....   ( HERE ) is a photo of my winch and handle.  The "spring loaded tube" retracts when the handle is inserted.  It presents moderate resistance, but moves smoothly.

( HERE ) is a photo of the handle fully inserted and locked.  When the tube is retracted the electric motor is disengaged ( motor runs but drum does not turn ).

One caveat,  when the thumb tab on the handle is pushed to the site the handle lock disengages and the spring loaded tube ejects the handle with enough force to kick the handle overboard.  For this reason I will not be encouraging my crew to use the handle in the electric winch unless absolutely necessary.... ie. motor or battery is dead.

Hope this helps.

[Bob Gehrman]

Yes Brian - The one in mine is spring loaded and I put a winch handle on it no problem. It locked in place and I used the lever to unlock the handle to release it.

See attached. That is called a release plunger from my manual. Part #2.

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[BRIAN CAYER]

Bob, 

Thanks for the pdf of the power winch diagram. I am about to disassemble the winch in my workshop today. I tried working on it on the boat yesterday but it was to difficult in the confined space of the cockpit in 90 deg sunshine. In my case the rod going thru the main shaft is just too long. I’m thinking the top end is threaded into part 2 And has become unthreaded to the point that it will not allow part 2 low enough for the handle to lock. If there is anymore to the manual you mention can you send me a link to it? I recall seeing the Barient / Honeywell manual at one time in my web search but have not been able to find it again.

Rob,

Thanks for taking the time to send the pictures and to verify the concept. Yes I would only use the handle if necessary .

Brian Cayer

Spirit~Wind

N30U 419

Westbrook, Ct

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[Bob Gehrman]

Brian - Here's the rest of that document that I have. Maybe the rebuild steps will help -

Good luck!

Bob

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[BRIAN CAYER]

My solution to the non locking winch handle was to remove 1/2” from the sleeve length. Perhaps I’m wrong but I don’t think I am. The proof will be in reinstalling the winch to the motor tomorrow if I can get down there.

Brian

Spirit~Wind

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[Rob Cohen "Soave" NS33 Westport, CT]

Brian,

When you get it back together, test to verify that inserting the handle disengages the motor from the drum.  

If it doesn't the handle will try to turn the motor plus drum which could cause damage to other parts.

Rob Cohen

s/v SOAVE

NS33 #009

Westport, CT

[Joe Valinoti]

Are you sure it’s a good idea to remove a safety feature on a device that’s already very dangerous??  Practical Sailor and some magazines have done articles on powered ST winches.

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[BRIAN CAYER]

Joe,

I did not remove the safety feature of disconnecting the motor power transfer to the winch when the handle is locked in. I just made it possible to lock in the handle. It still separates the electric drive gear from the manual winch with the handle in. I agree that otherwise it would be dangerous.

Brian Cayer

Spirit~Wind

N30U 419

Westbrook, Ct

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Are you sure it’s a good idea to remove a safety feature on a device that’s already very dangerous??  Practical Sailor and some magazines have done articles on powered ST winches.

Joe Valinoti
S/V iL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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Subject: Re: Barient 28 2 speed electric winch question

 

My solution to the non locking winch handle was to remove 1/2” from the sleeve length. Perhaps I’m wrong but I don’t think I am. The proof will be in reinstalling the winch to the motor tomorrow if I can get down there.

 

Brian

Spirit~Wind

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[Rob Cohen "Soave" NS33 Westport, CT]

Joe,

Thanks for referring to the Practical Sailor article !   In my enthusiasm for sailing I sometimes let my guard down.  

I read the PS article published 6/24/2024.  It's a reminder of the importance of understanding and respecting tools of all sorts.  Especially powerful ones.

This is a perfect time for me to be reminded about safety given the amount of time I've been spending on Soave.

Rob Cohen

s/v SOAVE

NS33 #009

Westport, CT

[Brian Godfrey]

   Yeah ... what he said.

   I suspect that the winch was well designed when new. If the safety part will no longer depress fully, then it seems like the thing to do is figure out why not and fix that.  Cutting it off may result in the need to buy a new winch. 

Brian Godfrey

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[BRIAN CAYER]

I assure you Brian G that what I have done is simply to allow the handle to lock into the winch and still lockout the motor drive gear. I will send along a video when I reinstall the winch tomorrow God willing.

Brian C

Spirit~Wind

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[William Evans]

It may also be helpful to take a few pics as you disassemble 

William Evans
“Companionship “ 30U #465
West River MD.

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[Joe Valinoti]

That’s good to hear, Brian.

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[BRIAN CAYER]

Here is the final post for my handle insert problem. It is fixed with all systems operable including the electric motor lockout.

 The first two pictures are with the handle locked in and the electric drive coupling disengaged from the winch.

The second two pictures show the handle removed and the drive coupling engaged for electric motor.

It works fine in both modes.

In retrospect the “correct” fix would have been to free the seized 5/16 dia. center shaft from the outer sleeve. That would have resulted in the handle popping out with enough force to send it to Davy Jones locker as Rob Cohen mentioned.

I’m glad I did what I did in removing 1/2” from the sleeve. I have lost enough stuff to Davy.

Brian Cayer

Spirit~Wind

N30U 419

Westbrook, Ct.

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