Manson or Rocna on a Nonsuch?

[Ron Singerman]

Has anyone tried to use either a Rocna or a Manson anchor on the stock
Nonsuch 30 bowsprit and anchor roller set up? If so, how did it work
out?

Reef early,

>>ron<<
Serenity II
Nonsuch U 30 479
Gulfport, FL

[Rob Powers]

We have a Rocna 10 on our 26C. I have not used it much yet but it
seems to set much quicker than the 25# CQR. It really seems to hold
but I use the deck wash down hose to clear the mud it brings up.
It does not sit on the roller as well. The roll bar comes up against
the stainless anchor platform. However I am willing to put up with
it.

Rob Powers Respite 26C #50

[Bill Bonham]

I have a Rocna 15 on my Nonsuch 30 here in the UK and have been really 

pleased with it.

It sets really quickly and always holds. You have to pull it onto the roller by

hand rather than use the windlass but sits there well enough once it's on.

You can see a picture of it on the bowsprit roller here ...

http://www.yachtforsaledevon.co.uk/on-deck/ 

(Scroll down to the bottom and click on the image for a full size photo.)

Bill

No Rival, 30C Hull #69

Salcombe, Devon, UK

[Allen Ames]

I had a Rocna 15 on my 30.  I really think it is nothing short of a miracle anchor in everything from mud to sand to hard rock!  It fits the roller well but has to be manually pulled up the last few inches.  I used a short line with a large snaphook to hold in in place.  Hook clipped to trip line eye on the back of the "plow" then the line leads aft through the anchor shackle to one of the bow cleats.

 

It replaced a real CQR and both caught and held better.

 

Allen Ames 

[John Newell]

From what I hear all Rocna's are not created equal.  There was a period fairly recently when they were made in China.  The steel was low grade resulting in the shanks bending.  I think Rocna will replace any faulty production.

 

John Newell

 

Mascouche 26C 1

Toronto

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How about the Nonsuch that gets wrecked on the rocks when it fails?

[Jim Jones]

I have purchased a Spade anchor that is also in the group of Rocna's
and Mansons as good anchors. I went this route as I thought the roll-
bar on the Rocna/Manson was going to create problems with how the
anchor stored.
Launch is imenent and I have yet to anchor anywhere. My existing
anchor would not let me sleep a wink.
Does anyone else have one of these...#33 and a large chunk of lead in
the point...Search gooble for "spade anchor".
Any experiences or thoughts would be appreciated.
Jim Jones

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[Ed Strazzini]

Jim,

I just got back from a week in the Bahamas during which i was anchored out in 15 ft of water over a sandy bottom for two days and nights in conditions which varied but included many hours of winds blowing up to 35 kts for most of each night and in very rough waters to the extent that we maintained an anchor watch all night long.  My #25 CQR with 50ft of chain and 50 ft of nylon held us solid throughout the ordeal.  
I have great respect for the CQR, more than ever before.

Ed Strazzini

MANATEE, N30U #503

Deltaville, Va

[Ron Singerman]

Alan,

Would you happen to have a picture that you could send me of the rocna
set-up on your bowsprit? I'm happy to hear that it will fit the
existing bowspeit.

Thanks,

>>ron<<

[Nick C.]

I would like to 'bump' this thread and ask the same question to see if there are updates and/or photos available. I am seriously considering a Rocna or competitor and have similar concerns about how it will work on the pulpit and roller. The photos I can locate are on other boats without the two-roller bowsprit I have on my 33. Has anyone tried any modifications?

Some responses note that the anchor has to be pulled in the last bit by hand -- does it touch the pulpit? Will it self-launch?

I have been lurking on the list for a while and have benefited from much good information and advice, so thanks! But a search about Rocnas and Nonsuches didn't turn up a lot.

Nick C
Catbird  Nonsuch 33
Washington, NC

[mark fagelman, md]

The Excel (Australia) also has a very

Good rating.

I have the same set up on my 33 as you have, and it fits, launches, and retrieves very well

Mark fagelman

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[David Steele]

Purchased my N30 a couple months ago and my Rocna 10 from my previous boat fit the bow roller but not attractively because of the roll bar (shank sticks up). I love that anchor and keep it in the cockpit locker for a stern/emergency/kedge anchor.

Boat came with a CQR and Bruce, but I'm so spoiled by the Rocna I didn't want to go backwards, so took a chance on the Rocna Vulcan (see photo). Haven't had a chance to use it but it's a Rocna, fits the bow roller perfectly, and is a beautiful, well-made anchor.

Pictured is a Vulcan 15 which according to the sizing chart is oversized for the N30 (great for a N33), but it's lighter than the CQR and proportionally looks great. I prefer a size or two up when it comes to anchors.

David Steele

Daisy, 1981 N30 Hull #88

Berkeley, CA

[David Steele]

Here's a view from the front, anchor looks like it was made for the bow roller of the nonsuch.

[Jim Cosgrove]

David,
Thanks for posting the photos.  I've tried fitting a Manson Supreme, Rocna with roll bar, and a Mantus.  None fit well on my 30U because the anchors tend to hit the anchor roller platform support/brace.  The Mantus did the best of the 3.  So I still have an original Bruce on the bow.  I'd be curious to hear how your Vulcan works for you.  Looks like it fits great on a Nonsuch.

Also, what's the line that runs through a block on the port side of your anchor platform?  I'm assuming the line on the starboard is a halyard or spare halyard, but don't know what the port line is.

Best,

Jim Cosgrove
FATE 30U #343
Galesville, MD

[David Steele]

Jim, that's another gift from a previous owner. It's a halyard on a block forward of the mast, perhaps for a blooper or spare for main, but it's a mystery to me. Any ideas? 

Why would a nonsuch have a halyard mounted forward of the main where a spinnaker or jib might go?

I haven't used it yet, but it looks good for lifting a dinghy onto the deck, or man overboard, or perhaps a bosun's chair for going up the mast.

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[Joe Valinoti]

There has been discussion in the past how when these boats first got into the racing scene that owners were rigging bloopers.  However, the PHRF rating change was such that it wasn’t worth it and the dynamics of flying one was complicated or hard on the crews.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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Subject: Re: Manson or Rocna on a Nonsuch?

 

[Cedric Guthrie]

However – flying a Blooper certainly stabilises any Nonsuch whilst running hard downwind with full main - result was to greatly reduce the rolling motion with potential jibe that one experiences in heavy wind and sea astern

 

Cedric

 

Single Malt  26C # 207

Chester Nova Scotia

[Joe Valinoti]

Had you ever flown one, Cedric??

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

 

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[Nick C.]

Thanks for posting the photos and increasing my interest in the Vulcan anchor. It does look good on the roller, but the bottom-line question is how well does it work? I have watched the Rocna movie and read some postings but reviews are scarce. I really like what I have seen, though.

My boat also came with a CQR and Bruce, and a Danforth, and a Fortress. I stored the Danforth with the other one I have, disassembled the Fortress and stowed it aboard prepped with chain, and bought a bigger Bruce for hurricane season. My wife is wondering why I am shopping for another anchor...

Nick C
Catbird  Nonsuch 33 #51
Washington, NC

[John Newell]

I have found that having an extra long mainsheet helps when running downwind so the boom can go past  90 degrees.   A blooper would get in the way. I believe the optimum is 30 degree past the 90 to create the maximum airflow.   This was established by Bill Gates’ Maltese Falcon, but she is a square rigger.

Our mainsheets should be at least as long as in the specifications.  Some are too short, including mine when I bought my boat.  (Ditto for the reefing pennants)

John Newell

Mascouche 26C 1

Toronto

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[Joe Valinoti]

I concur and have added to my sheet length also for the same reasons.

 

Joe Valinoti
S/V IL Gatto NS30U #221
Sea Harbour YC
Oriental, NC USA

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[Frank Anderson]

Hi all,

I have heard from very early posts that when you fly a blooper with our rig the transom lifts and you loose rudder control.

I have never used a blooper on my boat, but there used to be one floating around and it was always up for sale.

Just saying,

Frank Anderson

Galene #166  NS 26 C

Winthrop, Ma. 

[Katmando]

There was also no increase in velocity, Nonsuches just don't plain.......

Cheers

Katmando

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[Katmando]

My Nonsuch doesn't roll when sailing by the lee, my sheet is 140' and in heavy weather I add a couple of snatch blocks between wishbone and deck to lessen the amount of muscle needed to sheet in... 

Katmando NS30u 262

Ps. When I bought the boat there was only 85' of main sheet.

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[David]

I would like to know where you place those snatch blocks on the deck. That is not something I have thought of.

 Thank you!

David

Spray 1981 30C #93

South Dartmouth and Westport point Ma

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[John Newell]

Has anybody rigged foils???? Mascouche is looking for a lift in old age!!

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There was also no increase in velocity, Nonsuches just don't plain.......

Cheers

Katmando

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[William Baxter]

Just don't plain what?

(This is on topic :-)  just sayin...)

Persistence

[mark fagelman, md]

The halyard on a block forward of the mast Can be critical if someone pulls on the main halyard when it is not attached to the sail or the boat and up it goes, just beyond reach.

The spare halyard, with a bosun chair, will allow you to retrieve it.

Also, the easiest way to lower the wishbone down to the deck is to secure this halyard to the end of the wishbone, then release the hanger lines

Mark fagelman

[Capt. Mike]

Mark using the forward halyard to lower the boom makes great sense. I've sometimes had things get hung up sometimes when. using the main halyard. Thanks.

I would be leary about using it with a bosin chair though because it is cast aluminum and could fail unexpectedly. I would make sure to have a second safety line rigged just in case.

Mike
BIANKA 30U

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Subject: Re: Bloopers

[Katmando]

Hello David. I have an extra becket on the deck block and a becket on the wishbone block.  Next time I am at the boat I'll take a photo and post it. 

Cheers

Brian

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[Cedric Guthrie]

Yes Joe, I have flown a blooper

 

I will try to cover the comments from others on this subject.

 

Yes – crew does have to work a bit and must be experienced – need four – one helmsperson, one to trim the height of blooper off the water with the halyard, one to trim the blooper sheet and one to tend the main.

 

You certainly do not lose steering control by the transom lifting out of the water

 

Rigging – I am sure all Nonsuch have basically the same fittings on  both stern quarters ie:  a cast aluminum fitting – with a oval opening right aft for mooring lines – just ahead of the mooring line access - is a round opening this is the attachment point for the two snatch blocks  - one side for the “live Blooper Sheet” the other for the “Lazy Sheet” and used when gybing.

 

Forward of the mast on the centre line is a pad eye this is used to shackle the strop the tack of the blooper ( this strop allows the foot of the blooper to clear the pulpit/ lifelines.)

 

Get yourselves a good crew and have an adventure – I suggest light winds first day!!

 

There was a comment made about sailing by the lee – not sure where one is sailing downwind and not experiencing any roll – must be flat water – I strongly caution against sailing by the lee in strong winds this may lead to breakage of any full batten you may have – this breakage would occur where the batten enters the Batt Slide pocket – also sailing by the lee in does put an undue directional stress on your sail track.

 

Have fun and Sail safe

 

Cedric

Single Malt 26C

Chester NS

[Katmando]

I have successfully sailed by the lee, out 120*, first reef on the main, in 18 to 20 knots with 4 to 6 foot waves in Lake Ontario.  I do not have full battens and the sail lashing to the bronze sliders should go first before any sail track damage.

The pressure on the sail pushing the bow down and to leeward mitigates any roll but one does have to be handy on the wheel to make the pitch comfortable.

Also sailing by the lee reduces the risk of an accidental gybe.

Give it a try on a light wind and wave day.

Cheers

Brian

Katmando NS30u 262

Whitby

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[Katmando]

I persistently curse the Apple automatic spell correction, a nice plane spell checker on demand would suffice..

                  :-)

 

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[David Biltcliffe]

Hi Brian

Thank you. I look forward to seeing the pictures.

David

[Katmando - Bell]

Just get a bigger Diesel! 

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[David Steele]

Update on anchoring with the Vulcan... Sets fast and doesn't move an inch (in SF bay mud, anyway). Even the wife loves it and has become comfortable sleeping on the hook. So far so good!

David Steele
Reporting from Daisy, N30C #88