Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[Mahesh Khera]

Dear Friends,

In another Group, a mail is in circulation that we should contribute to generate money so that Arvind Kejriwal can pay up the money to the IT dept.

My view is that let Prashant Bhushan legally fight the case as his entitlements for his two years of leave of absence without pay should be counted towards the pay back in lieu of his resignation after three years of study leave. 

In the mean while, if Supreme Court accepts the plea, it is a victory for all those who might be affected by the vague Govt orders. If, however, Supreme Court rejects then lets all contribute as is being suggested by Santosh MS and enable him to pay to the Govt as every law abiding citizen must follow the rules and regulations. 

Arvind Kejriwal has contributed immensely to RTI and now for a strong Lok Pal. Most of India supports him in his tireless and selfless efforts. The contribution is not to help him monetarily but would only be a rebut to the Govt if indeed the state is victimizing him just because he has been digging his heals against them for anti corruption laws. Such a move has a potential for babus to show spine to the political leaders and not accept any wrong orders. This move alone would have a huge impact on the self reforms in babudom much more than all the Lok Pals.By this, I do not mean that Jan Lok Pal would not be necessary. 

This is a food for thought.

Jai Hind and Vande Matram.

 

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

Founder Director, KTMT Consulting, India

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[Sarbajit Roy]

Dear Col Khera

I am truly shocked by your email.

1)  With all this black money problem in the country, are you condoning that IRS officers should go on leave for extended periods and thereby block their replacements.

2) Arvind Kejriwal is a foreign financed intelligence operative with huge amounts of money at his disposal and gives lakhs of rupees as prizes. Why should we contribute to pay his IT demands ?

3) What exactly has Arvind done for the RTI cause which is so extraordinary ?

PS: Kindly stop using RSS code words on this group - we are apolitical here

Sarbajit

[R Srinivasan]

Col Khera's letter contains too many Ifs and Buts{I don't mean waggling Butts on Ramlila Maidan) So Kejriwal has to come out of the Ifs and Buts before we can accept the Team Anna's defence. Srinivasan --- On Sat, 3/9/11, Sarbajit Roy <sro...@gmail.com> wrote:

[M.K. Gupta]

Foreign country has given Magsaysay award to Shri Arvind Kejriwal for his contribution to the Society.  Our government has served a notice to give 9.16 from him after five years of his resignation. Govt was not only deep but was in long slumber too. Some one may ask about the day to day movement of his case after Feb. 2006 (when he submitted his resignation) till date.  By this, we can know whether the notice is genuine or an act of venditta because of the activism of Shri Arvind. . --- On Sat, 3/9/11, Mahesh Khera <mkk...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Mahesh Khera]

Dear Sh Sarbajit,

Just for your kind info, please read the following taken from Wikipedia about Vande Matram, to know the apolitical standing of it in the world :-

"In 2002, BBC World Service conducted an international poll to choose ten most famous songs of all time. Around 7000 songs were selected from all over the world. Vande Mataram, in a version by A. R. Rahman, was ranked second.^[22] All India Radio's version, as well as A.R. Rahman's version, are in Desh raga.^{[23]   "}

Jai Hind, Vande Matram.

With warm regards,

Col Mahesh Khera

Founder Director, KTMT Consulting, India

India Chief of Strategy and Business Development, Location Labs, US

Premium Partner and Global Leader of Consulting Management Platforms, US

Phone -   +91-120-4318375, +91-120-2450197  

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"As shared wireless access of 3G/4G can never beat fiber/HFC networks in the streaming of  multi megabits data, a unique ultra low cost model is poised to turn around the communications services. Many telecom companies are targeting to serve digitalized societies by offering multi play@ of voice, broadband, on demand GDP growth driving apps/TV, mobile and fixed mobile convergence services for their daily  business, work, location, social, entertainment, security and governance needs."

 

@MPVNO,  NTOC, JEC and JNS are SMs of KTMT 

 

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From: Sarbajit Roy <sro...@gmail.com>
To: humja...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[USM Bish]

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Col Khera
>
> I am truly shocked by your email.
>

Col Khera is absolutely right out here. There is nothing
written by him which is factually incorrect. Rest are his
views based on facts he stated. Nothing to be shocked about.

>
> 1) With all this black money problem in the country, are you
> condoning that IRS officers should go on leave for extended
> periods and thereby block their replacements.
>

Arvind had tendered resignation in 2006. He had gone on study
leave earlier to that. He has NOT been given/ taken any pay
since then. I do understand, IT is taxes on your physical
income, not perceived incomes by external agencies.

There are no vacancies blocked.

>
> 2) Arvind Kejriwal is a foreign financed intelligence
> operative with huge amounts of money at his disposal and
> gives lakhs of rupees as prizes. Why should we contribute to
> pay his IT demands ?
>

What is the source of this information ? This is not only
misinformation, it is possibly of malafide intent. Please do
not spread FUD on public lists.

>
> 3) What exactly has Arvind done for the RTI cause which is
> so extraordinary?
>

Please read up. You are carrying coal to New Castle ! Please
check up the history of the Delhi RTI Act 2001. Amongst the
principal players for RTI are Aruna Roy (NCPRI), Arvind
Kejriwal (Parivartan) and the Press Council of India who have
been active from the end of last decade. Whereas Hazare led
the way for the Maharashtra RTI Act, the above are responsible
for the Delhi Act. FYI, he was awarded Ramon Magsaysay Award
for Emergent Leadership in 2006, for activating RTI movement
at grassroot levels. The citation is here:

http://www.rmaf.org.ph/Awardees/Citation/CitationKejriwalArv.htm

>
> PS: Kindly stop using RSS code words on this group - we are
> apolitical here
>

There are no RSS code words anywhere in the mail written by
Col Khera, that I could see. What words are you referring to ?

Dr USM Bish
Bangalore

[Sarbajit Roy]

1) Arvind Kejrwal is still an IRS officer. The reasons why his resignation has not been accepted is very well known. Each and every year the govt (IT dept) updates the list of their employees (as required under section 4 of RTI Act). The URL is here and Arvind's name is on it [www.irsofficersonline.gov.in/content/Alphabetical_Index.pdf]

2) My question is what steps has Arvind taken to get his name deleted from this list ? Let him place these facts into the public domain.

3) About his being a foreign financed inteligence agent, there have been many posts on this in the archives of this group and RTI_India where specifics have been given.. The Magsaysay awards are well known to be CIA sponsorship. The Ashoka awards are from MI6.

4) Aruna Roy, Arvindf Kejriwal, Anna Hazare etc had hardly anything to do with RTI Act This is all their self generated media publicity which  ill informed idiots like you keep repeating / circulating as the truth. The fact is that the RTI Act 2005 was drafted by Mr A.N. Tiwari and his team at DoPT with quite a bit of input from me and my co-mods like Mr Ashish Kumar - and was also based on the shortcomings of the HD Shourie draft and the FOI Act.

Sarbajit

[asokem...@yahoo.com]

This is only the beginning by PC, LALU, DIGY, SONI, SIBY & Co. Much more is expected from these looters. Even in worse case scenario wiping out the Leaders of IAC. Prepare for a longer and tougher battle.
But we have task of leaving behind a better India before we depart.
AK Mazumder
Sent from BlackBerry® on Airtel

-----Original Message-----
From: USM Bish <usm...@gmail.com>
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Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 19:52:29
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Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[Manu Moudgil]

Dear all,

I support Mr Sarabjit in his view that Mr Arvind Kejriwal does not need to be monetarily supported. Though I object to the use of words like idiots and such by Mr Sarabjit for fellow members, I think he is right in his position that Mr Kejriwal has to defend himself in the court of law and his NGO also receives foreign funding (though I dont believe he is an intelligence operative of CIA or any other agency).

It is an accepted fact that the government action is a personal vendetta against him but I think he just needs moral support rather than monetary help. He has definitely done a lot for the RTI (even if not otherwise at least by creating awareness about it and handing out awards to people who are working in the field) but that does not mean he can't default. If he is right in his stand, the court would forego the dues, it's as simple as that.


Regards,
Manu Moudgil
Primary catalyst,
www.goimonitor.com

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[Subhash Shanbhag]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/63800112/Arvind-Kejriwal-s-Reply
This explanation is very clear
subhash

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From: Sarbajit Roy <sro...@gmail.com>
To: humja...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011 5:45 PM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[Devasahayam MG]

This debate is turning bizare. Can some one enlighten us as to the true story behind the RTI Act and its real heroes and heroines?

M.G.Devasahayam
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

[USM Bish]

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Sarbajit Roy <sro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 1) Arvind Kejrwal is still an IRS officer. The reasons why
> his resignation has not been accepted is very well known.
> Each and every year the govt (IT dept) updates the list of
> their employees (as required under section 4 of RTI Act).
> The URL is here and Arvind's name is on it
> [www.irsofficersonline.gov.in/content/Alphabetical_Index.pdf]
>

There are two issues here:

a) Administrative: If a resignation has been given, and it has
not been accepted for whatever reasons, the issue needs to be
dealt administratively, depending upon prevailing policies of
the Department. What has the IT Deptt doing for the last 5
years ? Why are they raking up this issue now ? And why are
departmental issues being placed as headlines ? Surely there
are some other ulterior motives ...

b) Financial: Tax is applicable if payment has been made. Has
the Govt been paying him regularly for all these years? If
yes, the IT claim is very much in order. But if not, no IT
accrues. There can be no taxes under situations where there is
no income.

Why mix the two things ?

>
> 2) My question is what steps has Arvind taken to get his
> name deleted from this list ? Let him place these facts into
> the public domain.
>

This is departmental administrative issue. Why should the aam-
janta be concerned, beyond what he has already put up in all
major newspapers and his TV interview ?

>
> 3) About his being a foreign financed inteligence agent,
> there have been many posts on this in the archives of this
> group and RTI_India where specifics have been given.. The
> Magsaysay awards are well known to be CIA sponsorship. The
> Ashoka awards are from MI6.
>

I would not make much credence on posts on general public
mailing lists. Magasaysay awards are from Phillipines. All
personal assets of President Ramon Magsaysay are with the
Rockfeller Foundation. The prize was established in April 1957
by the trustees of the Rockefeller Foundation Fund based
in New York City with the concurrence of the Philippine
government. This is official. I do not know any CIA
connections here. The citation I put reference to is from the
wikipedia.

>
> 4) Aruna Roy, Arvindf Kejriwal, Anna Hazare etc had hardly
> anything to do with RTI Act This is all their self generated
> media publicity which ill informed idiots like you keep
> repeating / circulating as the truth. The fact is that the
> RTI Act 2005 was drafted by Mr A.N. Tiwari and his team at
> DoPT with quite a bit of input from me and my co-mods like
> Mr Ashish Kumar - and was also based on the shortcomings of
> the HD Shourie draft and the FOI Act.
>

Please distinguish two things:

a) Public Action : Bringing public awareness/ and building
public pressures on the Govt to act.

b) Paper work : Drafting of the Act.

The contributions of those stated by me are for the former
action only. I can personally confirm the agitations taken by
Anna Hazare at Pune and Mumbai for the Maharashtra RTI Act,
last decade, having physically seen them. This public action
forced the Maharashtra Govt to Act. I would believe, this
action would be more difficult, and more important than
drafting the Act itself. In this regards their contributions
are minimal, restricted to a "wish-list" in layman's terms. I
would place less credits there. To the best of my knowledge,
the RTI Act 2005 is based on the preceding Maharashtra RTI
Act.

On a serious note: Requested, I may please be unsubscribed
from the "HumJanenge" mailing list. The kind of exchanges, and
language contained by some of the participants, (virtually
going onto personal vilification) does not gel with educated
gentry anywhere. I would like to leave.

Dr USM Bish
Bangalore

[Sarbajit Roy]

Dear Mr Devasahayam

I am confining myself to the Central RTI Act 2005. The facts are as follows

1) There were serious flaws in the FOI Act 2002 which rendered it weak and unimplementable.

2) Consequently the Rules for the said Act were not put in place to bring it into effect.

3) Immediately since 2003 a series of drafting exercises to amend / replace the FOI Act took place within DoPT. This exercise was carried out internally within DoPT (at which stage I and some other concerned private persons literally went over the drafts clause by clause to shoot down bizarre suggestions originating from NCPRI people and NAC interference and make valid suggestions). The DoPT had a core team ultimately under Mr Tiwari and he took a very keen interest in what was going on - literally he was the draftsman of this Act.

4) Finally when the Bill went to Parliament at the Committee stage the NCPRI and CHRI persisted with their nonsensical suggestions (like bring private companies within RTI etc), this did not work but about 30 modifications were made by Committee which watered down the Act. Finally when the Bill was put up in Parliament it was diluted even further (BJP had walked out) and the biggest prolem was that they added State Governments to RTI at last moiment which has caused many gray areas in the Act ("appropriate Govt" ??). I had no role to play while the Bill was in the Parliamentary process - since it was an all out war between DoPT babus and the NAC / NCPRI brigade.

5) Arvind Kejriwal had hardly anything to do / say in the formulation of RTI Act 2005 considering his seniors (!!!) in NCPRI.

6) The sitaution is analogous to the RTI Draft Rules contoversy of last year. NAC/NCPRI submitted aboiut 12 pages of text. The war is between DoPT and NAC/NCPRI. All my comments are in public domain (running into about 273 pages). My own "lobbying" can be inspected in DoPT. When the Rules finally come out (???) who will get the credit in the media - the foreign finaced haramis like Aruna Roy OR members of this hold-out group ?

Sarbajit

[Agniwesh Thakur]

Good Work Sarabjit. As par your note, you were instrumental in bringing RTI.

Congratulations Man.

Now please move on. Step up and get Jan Lokpal, an institution which will work for the young generations.

Also work for the Electoral Reforms Act, which would be a game changer.


Please step up and stop mud slinging Team Anna... You are alone sufficient to bring the parliament down, with your choicest verbal use/abuses without being apologetic and sheer confidence.

We are with you. Hum Jaanenge aur Hum Jaan na chaahte hain..



Rgds
Agniwesh Thakur
Change Management Consulting
Human Resources
Infosys Ltd, Hyderabad

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From: Sarbajit Roy <sro...@gmail.com>

Sender: humja...@googlegroups.com

Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 08:08:11 +0530

To: <humja...@googlegroups.com>

ReplyTo: humja...@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[sarbajit roy]

Dear Agniswesh

1) I was NOT instrumental in bringing RTI. I played a very small role,
and I want no credit for it. If credit has to be given, I (from a
worm's eye view) would give it to Mr. A.N.Tiwari and his DoPT team ( a
group of honest and practical people) who wanted a STRONG RTI ACT to
bring about a STRONG BUREAUCRACY which is the best way to stop HIGH
LEVEL CORRUPTION by Ministers and Politicians.

2) If you want a LokPal Bill, even the Govt version is more than
sufficient for people who can use it well. Its weak people like ":Team
Anna" who need "strong" laws. Strong people can get by with "weak":
laws.

3) I have got more information using the weak and toothless Delhi RTI
Act than I ever got out of RTI Act 2005 (with all its notional
penalties) which Aruna Roy emasculated.

4) Today if you face a corrupt officer, just slap him or finish him
off - and be prepared to face the consequences. (I have slapped many
officers ... )

Sarbajit

On Sep 4, 7:45 am, "Agniwesh Thakur" <agniw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good Work Sarabjit. As par your note, you were instrumental in bringing RTI.
>
> Congratulations Man.
>
> Now please move on. Step up and get Jan Lokpal, an institution which will work for the young generations.
>
> Also work for the Electoral Reforms Act, which would be a game changer.
>
> Please step up and stop mud slinging Team Anna... You are alone sufficient to bring the parliament down, with your choicest verbal use/abuses without being apologetic and sheer confidence.
>
> We are with you. Hum Jaanenge aur Hum Jaan na chaahte hain..
>
> Rgds
> Agniwesh Thakur
> Change Management Consulting
> Human Resources
> Infosys Ltd, Hyderabad
> Excuse Typos.Sent from my BlackBerry®
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com>
>
> Sender: humja...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 08:08:11

> To: <humja...@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: humja...@googlegroups.com

[jaiprakash narain]

If what ever u say is true why govt is not taking any action against him for being a foreign agent etc.U mean that govt is also a party to it n they both r fooling the nation all the way or u r fooling the nation by spreading such rumours? --- On Sat, 3/9/11, Subhash Shanbhag <sshanbh...@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Subhash Shanbhag <sshanbh...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[Sarbajit Roy]

Dear Col JP

India / Delhi is a nest of foreign agents and touts for all nations.

Dr. Subramaniam Swamy on the webiste of his National Political Party has alleged Ms. Sonia Gandhi (or whatever her real name is) to be a a KGB agent. Why has the Govt not prosecuted that woman ?

You know as well as I do that posing rhetorical questions does not lead the debate anywhere. The fact is that Arvind Kejriwal has received massive TAX FREE funds from foreign sources which he has openly used to

a) Procure information from Government files on things like lists of disgruntled All India Service officers (This is surely of tremndous use to foreign intelligence networks).

b) Bribe (and I use the term judicuously) serving and former public servants., etc.

And he has done all this while continuing to be a public servant.

If you (or anyone else on this list) are truly a patriot, kindly ensure that the Govt takes action against him under Official Secrets Act and hangs him.

Sarbajit

[Ashok Bhanot]

Dear Mr USM Bish,
 
It is not the incometax which is being demanded but the cost of Two years Study Leave since as he did not complete 3 years physical service after study leave as required vide the Bond filled by him before going on study leave. If in between he went on unpaid leave that cant be counted towards the physical service of 3 years after the study leave. Income Tax was the department where he was working and so it is not income tax due as understood by you.
Every body can make a mistake. It Anna Team will be right in all cases and others will be  wrong always.

Col Ashok Bhanot

> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 22:40:05 +0530

> Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

> From: usm...@gmail.com
> To: humja...@googlegroups.com

[satnarayan aggarwal]

Mr Sarbjit & Friends,

One wonders if the state of present government is YET TO
PROVED.It is corrupt-NO , it is CRIMINAL-- abuse of position BY OFFICIALS, REGULATOR, MINISTER AND pm.

hOW & wHY, READ THE ATTACHMENTS.

mR sARBJIT SEEMS TO BE very close to GOVERNMENT & CONGRSS.

He will do great SERVICE if he could manage a DEBATE ON TELECOM LOOT
as requested im my OPEN letter to PM.

Regards.

Col S N Aggarweal-Veteran
Telecom Consultant & Consumer Activist







On Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:21:32 +0530 wrote

>Dear Sh Sarbajit,
Just for your kind info, please read the following taken from Wikipedia about Vande Matram, to know the apolitical standing of it in the world :-

"In 2002,BBC World Serviceconducted an international poll to choose ten most famous songs of all time. Around 7000 songs were selected from all over the world.Vande Mataram, in aversionbyA. R. Rahman, was ranked second.[22]All India Radio's version, as well as A.R. Rahman's version, are inDeshraga.[23] "

Jai Hind, Vande Matram.
With warm regards,
Col Mahesh Khera

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From: Sarbajit Roy

To: humja...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

Dear Col Khera

I am truly shocked by your email.

1) With all this black money problem in the
country, are you condoning that IRS officers should go on leave for extended periods and thereby block their replacements.


2) Arvind Kejriwal is a foreign financed intelligence operative with huge amounts of money at his disposal and gives lakhs of rupees as prizes. Why should we contribute to pay his IT demands ?

3) What exactly has Arvind done for the RTI cause which is so extraordinary ?


PS: Kindly stop using RSS code words on this group - we are apolitical here

Sarbajit

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Mahesh Khera wrote:


Dear Friends,
In another Group, a mail is in circulation that we should contribute to generate money so that Arvind Kejriwal can pay up the money to the IT dept.

My view is that let Prashant Bhushan legally fight the case as his entitlements for his two years of leave of absence without pay should be counted towards the pay back in lieu of his resignation after three years of study leave.

In the mean while, if Supreme Court accepts the plea, it is a victory for all those who might be affected by the vague Govt orders. If, however, Supreme Court rejects then lets all contribute as is being suggested by Santosh MS and enable him to pay to the Govt as every law
abiding citizen must follow the rules and regulations.
Arvind Kejriwal has contributed immensely to RTI and now for a strong Lok Pal. Most of India supports him in his tireless and selfless efforts. The contribution is not to help him monetarily but would only be a rebut to the Govt if indeed the state is victimizing him just because he has been digging his heals against them for anti corruption laws. Such a move has a potential for babus to show spine to the political leaders and not accept any wrong orders. This move alone would have a huge impact on the self reforms in babudom much more than all the Lok Pals.By this, I do not mean that Jan Lok Pal would not be necessary.

This is a food for thought.

Jai Hind and Vande Matram.With warm regards,
Col Mahesh Khera







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[chaitanya org]

Dear Sarbjit,

For what purpose, knowledge is earned? For what end, wisdom is used?
and for what goals a man shall live?

I hope you understand that information is power. and for god sake come
to the truth that this is not a debate.

You are not needed to prove a point. This is war (in minds) and
everyone has to chose his side. This group is still in
democracy(difference in opinions) and let me tell you there will never
be a day you make truth win.

Sadly, I find that truth has little or no takers. I do not know you.
Who you are? and what you want to do, but it pains me seeing you
daggers drawn against ignorance. But then count your years dear friend
and behold the impact calculation and precision makes on mind of
people. You are no match for CIA or any such agency and certainly you
can not know everything. Appreciate what arvind has done and if
possible decipher the design of his work. If you get the code to
break, I am with you as none has been.

[Sarbajit Roy]

Dear Col Aggarwal

1) Occasionally honest government officers (usually regulatory officers) have confided in me concerning corrupt actions in their organisations / departments. As a skilled honest public spirited citizens I have ensured that their faith in me was not misplaced.

2) I have stopped dabbling in telecom matters now. My last few actions in that field were as follows

a) Getting Pramod Mahajan to resign form Union Cabinet.
b) Getting RCOM fined about Rs. 3,000 crores, Airtel and Essar a few hundred crores each for licence violations etc.
c) Exposing a Cable TV Set Top Box scam to the tune of about Rs. 600 crores.

Coincidentally - and this is really coincidence - nothing to do with politics --- All the above actions were against BJP / NDA - purely because of the timing.

Hope this helps you.

Sarbajit

[Sarbajit Roy]

Hi

On a purely philosophical level, I would agree with you.
However,  there is a larger issue here of NGOs and their sources of finance / funding.

He who pays the piper calls the tune. Most NGOs (and you must see if yours falls in this category) tend to "sing for their supper" (and also to band together when a common threat faces them).

I denounce Arvind for accepting foreign finance and neglecting his Government duties. As a public servant his actions post his awards (Ashoka / Magsaysay etc) have been anti-national (no matter how he tries to put a spin on it).

To me his work is very clear, he is a puppet in the hands of his (foreign) paymasters. If you have a better way to decipher his code I would like to know it.

On another note. Arvind (like me) did his Engg in Mech Engg. I did mine at BITS Pilani (a private university with my father paying exorbitant fees) - he did his at IIT (highly suibsided by the State). He never seriously practiced Engineering (unlike my 30 years) and fought with 2 of his private emplyers. His engineering degree / education was a total waste and a drag on the tax payer and exchequer. Kiran Bedi had the same problem with her daughter who took one of the 2 reserved medical seats and then dropped out depriving the genuine N.E. candidates. As an IRS officer he hardly did any work and made too many enemies due to his arrogant / stubborn attitude. The same high handed / blinkered attitude was on display throughout this Team Anna / JLKPB nautanki. His attitude is completely unprofessional in any work environment, and he is more of a union-baaz with a huge chip on his shoulder, He is completely incompetent in any professional field (Engg / Taxation etc.) and tries to cover up his inadequacy and intellectual shortcomings by indulging in NGOism and touting instead.

Sarbajit

[Abhimanyu]

The entire world never respects mahatma Gandhi for him being a barrister ...... you dont need to be a good lawyer or engineer or a doctor to make a protest.

if arvind is able to wake up our sleeping government I think he is more successful than Mr sarbajit....

[Sarbajit Roy]

Dear Abhimanyu

1) Different people have different standards for measuring "success".

2) I am happy that Mr Mukesh Ambani's company had to pay about Rs. 3,000 crore in 2004 as penalty for operating mobile services without a licence in the garb of "computers" . I am happy that about 8 lakh substandard Set Top Boxes were sent back from India in 2006. I am very happy that India's credit card industry got regulated because of me in 2005/06. I will not list the other minor victories I have achieved as these would fill volumes..

3) If the fact that I dont get / accept crores (or even 1 paise) of rupees like Arvind Kejriwal by prostituting my ethics makes me "unsuccessful" then I am very happy with my condition in life.

PS: I credit my engineering education for my status in life  - it has made me a very good engineer.

Sarbajit

[Mahesh Khera]

Reading the views of Sh Sarbajit, reminds me of two Sampadas, Devi Sampada and Asuri Sampada. Lord Krishna alone sided Devi Samapda and through his un matching strategy ensured the humiliating defeat of Asuri Sampada. TOI poll indicates 88 % Indians out of the sample support Devi Sampada. We the people are free to decide which Sampada we want to support knowing that Asuri Sampada is nearing a humiliating defeat soon. Having said this, people also are given opportunity at every step to transit from Asuri Sampada to Devi Sampada.

Warm regards,

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From: Abhimanyu <who.will...@gmail.com>

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Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 00:27:45 +0530

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Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[Sarbajit Roy]

Dear Mahesh

Your email shows that you know neither your history nor your religion.

FYI. The mythical war took place in Persia between the younger dark tribe (Devas) and the older fair tribe (Ahuras - wrongly called Asuras). The war was won by the Ahuras, and the Devas were forced to flee for their lives to India through Egypt / Somalia - some of them took the norther rouite via Afghanistan. Here they came upon various peaceful / sheeplike people (proto- Indians) who were no match for them and the Devas built up this myth of Aryan supremacy and how they had beaten the "black" Asuras etc. The entire story of Krishna is a Christian myth from the 13th Century AD . The Gita is an excellent book but it is entirely written by human hands. This is all very well documented.

Sarbajit

[Mr. Hemant Kshirsagar]

Please can you mention what are the major victories against the congress govt you may have? I do understand that you may be working, but you should cease from mud slinging other people.

Regards,

Hemant Kshirsagar

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[Abhimanyu]

dear sarbajit. 

what success you are talking about???

credit cards are still looting people ..

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Mahesh Khera <mkk...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Sarbajit Roy]

JFYI

1) We got the Congress party's land grab of industrial lands in Delhi stopped.

2)  We stalled for 6 years the persistent demands of the private electricity companies of Delhi to raise their rates. It is an open secret that these Delhi Discoms pay hundreds of crore rupees to Congress High command every month. It was only when these URJA/ IAC haramis became too much for us to handle in our individual capacities that we withdrew and the results are here for everyone to see - bijli tariff in Delhi was hiked 30% in a single day.

I could go on, but who the f*** are you to ask anyway ?.

Sarbajit

[Sarbajit Roy]

No dear

People who want / deserve to be looted apply / use credit cards.

Sarbajit

[Indi Patriot]

Thank you Mr. Moudgil,

A very solid and realistic point of view.

I was despairing seeing all this personalities and ego bashing / self pampering going on. 

Best Wishes,

Indipatriot

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To: humja...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 September 2011 9:06 PM

Subject: Re: [HumJanenge] Arvind Kejriwal - IT Notice

[Babu Ram Aryal]

Dear All Group Members

I'm from Nepal and joined this group to share and earn experience. All the Arvind discussion gone beyond my tolerance. Could you guys please stop using indicent, derogatory and personal issue to post on this Nobel platform. Please do not ruin this platform. If you have personal dissatisfaction to some one, then use your interpersonal communication, not the public plateform. This is RTI fourum, I guess and not a platform to satisfy your rivalry.

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Regards

Advocate Babu Ram Aryal

Cyber Law Consultant

Kathmandu, Nepal

Cell: +977-9851048401

[Sarbajit Roy]

Dear Mahish

You would certainly be interested in this in the context of who is a deva and who is an asura.

http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zoroastrianism/aryans/religion2.htm

Sarbajit

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Mahesh Khera <mkk...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[Kuldip Gyaneswar]

I am sure this discussion is going beyond the mandate of the group what the moderator had agreed to.