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jw@tef
Dec 6, 2007, 3:26:59 PM12/6/07
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Big thanks to all the GWT team that presented.
I believe this was the most informative and useful conference I've
attended in a long while and it certainly answered all the preliminary
questions and provided superb motivation to dive into GWT on my hot
projects.
Great job!
John Watkins
CTO, The Elfenworks Foundation
I believe this was the most informative and useful conference I've
attended in a long while and it certainly answered all the preliminary
questions and provided superb motivation to dive into GWT on my hot
projects.
Great job!
John Watkins
CTO, The Elfenworks Foundation
Ron
Dec 6, 2007, 4:34:16 PM12/6/07
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I agree... All of the presenters new exactly what they were talking
about and if they couldn't answer a question they made sure they got
the answer from someone else. I rate the conference a 10 out of 10!
about and if they couldn't answer a question they made sure they got
the answer from someone else. I rate the conference a 10 out of 10!
Sachin
Dec 7, 2007, 3:04:34 AM12/7/07
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I third that ( wait a minute is that even gramatically correct
english).
Anyway, absolutely agree, it was awesome to meet and pick the brains
of the GWT engineers.
Also it was a great opportunity to network with other like minded
folks. Although I would have loved to talk in depth with people about
their experience porting applications to GWT, specifically parts of
existing buisness applications.
I work on an business app for a very large company, where they would
not let me change the entire struts like jsp based app to using gwt,
they would change me rather than change the app :)
So I am trying to attack some of the pain points that we have now, in
the app.
Some key points that I felt were important from a take away
perspective were :
1. GWT is NOT a library.
2. Code size, dont matter so much since the compiler is really smart
and optimizes the generated javascript to the last bit.
3. Try not to create several modules, since that would not let the
compiler create the most optimized javascript.
4. More features like immutableresourcebundle, more collections
support, even tighter resulting javascript etc are coming.
5. GWT is very much a client side technology, very similar to AWT,SWT,
Swing, so in short it is very server-side agnostic. This particular
thing helped me a lot since i have to integrate into an existing app.
6. It is OK to use stuff out of the incubator project, provided you
test your code.
Ok good now time for some bitching :
The Tree Control is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow, i talked to Joel a
little bit about it at the conference, but just to give you and idea,
i did a test run tonite, of using the GWT Tree widget vs. using the
MYGWT Tree Widget, the test case was somethig like, 100 root nodes, 5
child nodes per root node, and 100 leaf nodes per child node.
The results are, MYGWT Tree control rendered in like 5 secs, the GWT
Tree control never was able to render 8-(
Now i know that I can use some tricks like lazy loading etc, but even
then, i bet it would be slow.
Also why do i really have to do that as a user, the control should
take care of that.
Robert Hanson correctly mentioned at some point that most users would
want to get clean, fast working widgets most of the times so that they
can do some real work and not spend time writing their own custom
widgets.
Oh BTW, the mygwt tree control is sweet, it has mostly got every thing
i need in a tree control, nice images, animation, most importantly
multi-select.
I just hope that more and more such widgets make it into the toolkit
or third party libraries.
Thanks a lot to all the GWT engineers.
Regards
-Sachin Khadilkar
Sr. Associate
MSCI Barra
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english).
Anyway, absolutely agree, it was awesome to meet and pick the brains
of the GWT engineers.
Also it was a great opportunity to network with other like minded
folks. Although I would have loved to talk in depth with people about
their experience porting applications to GWT, specifically parts of
existing buisness applications.
I work on an business app for a very large company, where they would
not let me change the entire struts like jsp based app to using gwt,
they would change me rather than change the app :)
So I am trying to attack some of the pain points that we have now, in
the app.
Some key points that I felt were important from a take away
perspective were :
1. GWT is NOT a library.
2. Code size, dont matter so much since the compiler is really smart
and optimizes the generated javascript to the last bit.
3. Try not to create several modules, since that would not let the
compiler create the most optimized javascript.
4. More features like immutableresourcebundle, more collections
support, even tighter resulting javascript etc are coming.
5. GWT is very much a client side technology, very similar to AWT,SWT,
Swing, so in short it is very server-side agnostic. This particular
thing helped me a lot since i have to integrate into an existing app.
6. It is OK to use stuff out of the incubator project, provided you
test your code.
Ok good now time for some bitching :
The Tree Control is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slow, i talked to Joel a
little bit about it at the conference, but just to give you and idea,
i did a test run tonite, of using the GWT Tree widget vs. using the
MYGWT Tree Widget, the test case was somethig like, 100 root nodes, 5
child nodes per root node, and 100 leaf nodes per child node.
The results are, MYGWT Tree control rendered in like 5 secs, the GWT
Tree control never was able to render 8-(
Now i know that I can use some tricks like lazy loading etc, but even
then, i bet it would be slow.
Also why do i really have to do that as a user, the control should
take care of that.
Robert Hanson correctly mentioned at some point that most users would
want to get clean, fast working widgets most of the times so that they
can do some real work and not spend time writing their own custom
widgets.
Oh BTW, the mygwt tree control is sweet, it has mostly got every thing
i need in a tree control, nice images, animation, most importantly
multi-select.
I just hope that more and more such widgets make it into the toolkit
or third party libraries.
Thanks a lot to all the GWT engineers.
Regards
-Sachin Khadilkar
Sr. Associate
MSCI Barra
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Mohamed Merah
Dec 7, 2007, 11:39:18 AM12/7/07
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where we can see this conference?? there is url ??? thanks
Arthur Kalmenson
Dec 7, 2007, 2:19:20 PM12/7/07
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Are the presentations going to be posted by any chance? I'd be willing
to pay for them...
to pay for them...
Peter Blazejewicz
Dec 7, 2007, 2:42:35 PM12/7/07
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hi Mohamed,
here is home page of that event:
http://www.voicesthatmatter.com/GWT2007/
you can read informative summaries of conference sessions here:
http://blogs.pathf.com/agileajax/gwt/index.html
maybe there will be off-line session notes/presos available in future
(fingers crossed) on GWT blog,
regards,
Peter
here is home page of that event:
http://www.voicesthatmatter.com/GWT2007/
you can read informative summaries of conference sessions here:
http://blogs.pathf.com/agileajax/gwt/index.html
maybe there will be off-line session notes/presos available in future
(fingers crossed) on GWT blog,
regards,
Peter
Mohamed Merah
Dec 7, 2007, 5:00:02 PM12/7/07
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Thanks. I Appreciate
Sachin
Dec 7, 2007, 5:11:13 PM12/7/07
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They were video recording everything, even the birds of feather
sessions etc., so hopefully it will make it to youtube at some point
in the future.
> On Dec 7, 2007 2:42 PM, Peter Blazejewicz <peter.blazejew...@gmail.com>
sessions etc., so hopefully it will make it to youtube at some point
in the future.
> On Dec 7, 2007 2:42 PM, Peter Blazejewicz <peter.blazejew...@gmail.com>
bgavin
Dec 9, 2007, 4:59:48 PM12/9/07
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Over the next week, I will be working on getting the conference
presentations posted to the Voices That Matter web site.
I kinda took the weekend off....
I will also figure out when the videos will be live.
barbara
On Dec 7, 5:11 pm, Sachin <4sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They were video recording everything, even the birds of feather
> sessions etc., so hopefully it will make it to youtube at some point
> in the future.
>
> On Dec 7, 2:00 pm, "Mohamed Merah" <mohamed.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks. I Appreciate
>
> > On Dec 7, 2007 2:42 PM, Peter Blazejewicz <peter.blazejew...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > hi Mohamed,
> > > here is home page of that event:
> > >http://www.voicesthatmatter.com/GWT2007/
> > > you can read informative summaries ofconferencesessions here:
> > > > > Big thanks to all theGWTteam that presented.
>
> > > > > I believe this was the most informative and usefulconferenceI've
presentations posted to the Voices That Matter web site.
I kinda took the weekend off....
I will also figure out when the videos will be live.
barbara
On Dec 7, 5:11 pm, Sachin <4sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They were video recording everything, even the birds of feather
> sessions etc., so hopefully it will make it to youtube at some point
> in the future.
>
> On Dec 7, 2:00 pm, "Mohamed Merah" <mohamed.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks. I Appreciate
>
> > On Dec 7, 2007 2:42 PM, Peter Blazejewicz <peter.blazejew...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > hi Mohamed,
> > > here is home page of that event:
> > >http://www.voicesthatmatter.com/GWT2007/
> > >http://blogs.pathf.com/agileajax/gwt/index.html
>
> > > maybe there will be off-line session notes/presos available in future
> > > (fingers crossed) onGWTblog,
> > > regards,
> > > Peter
> > > On Dec 7, 5:39 pm, "Mohamed Merah" <mohamed.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > where we can see thisconference?? there is url ??? thanks
>
> > > maybe there will be off-line session notes/presos available in future
> > > (fingers crossed) onGWTblog,
> > > regards,
> > > Peter
> > > On Dec 7, 5:39 pm, "Mohamed Merah" <mohamed.me...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Big thanks to all theGWTteam that presented.
>
> > > > > I believe this was the most informative and usefulconferenceI've
> > > > > attended in a long while and it certainly answered all the preliminary
> > > > > questions and provided superb motivation to dive intoGWTon my hot
> > > > > projects.
>
> > > > > Great job!
>
> > > > > John Watkins
> > > > > CTO, The Elfenworks Foundation- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > Great job!
>
> > > > > John Watkins
> > > > > CTO, The Elfenworks Foundation- Hide quoted text -
>
Rob Jellinghaus
Dec 10, 2007, 7:05:20 PM12/10/07
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On Dec 9, 1:59 pm, bgavin <bgavin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Over the next week, I will be working on getting the conference
> presentations posted to the Voices That Matter web site.
> I kinda took the weekend off....
>
> I will also figure out when the videos will be live.
Thanks Barbara, can't wait to see the ones I missed :-)
> Over the next week, I will be working on getting the conference
> presentations posted to the Voices That Matter web site.
> I kinda took the weekend off....
>
> I will also figure out when the videos will be live.
Pending Barbara's site update, I'd like to invite any other GWT
conference presenters to post links to their slides. I'll start:
http://robjsoftware.org/gwt2007
Cheers!
Rob
http://robjsoftware.org
Fred Sauer
Dec 28, 2007, 2:28:37 PM12/28/07
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Looks like the videos went up this morning:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Voices+That+Matter+GWT
Fred
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Voices+That+Matter+GWT
Fred
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